Attacking Obama’s actual religion

For a while, it looked as if the right planned to attack Barack Obama for his “hidden Muslim background,” which, as it turned out, didn’t exist. Now, it appears the right may be ready to go after Obama’s actual religion.

During the “Obameter” segment on the February 7 edition of MSNBC’s Tucker, host Tucker Carlson criticized Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), a presumptive candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, for being a member of a church that Carlson claimed “sounds separatist to me” and “contradicts the basic tenets of Christianity,” a subject Carlson said he was “actually qualified to discuss.”

Carlson was referring to the “Black Value System” advocated by the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, of which Obama is a member. A February 6 Chicago Tribune article reported that “conservative critics have seized on Trinity’s 12-point Black Value System, especially the portion relating to ‘middleclassness,’ as evidence that Obama is a divisive candidate who rejects mainstream American values and is primarily focused on the black community.”

Carlson pointed to the “disavowal of the pursuit of ‘middleclassness’ ” in the church’s tenets, calling the church’s mission a “racially exclusive theology” and “a theology that ministers to one group of people, based on race.” Carlson claimed that Trinity’s theology is “racially exclusive” and “wrong,” adding that “it’s hard to call that Christianity.”

Well, I suppose this is, to a degree, progress. At least conservatives like Carlson are targeting Obama’s actual church and actual faith tradition, as opposed to the made-up stories from last month.

But that, I’m afraid, is about the only encouraging angle to this nonsense.

First, what makes Tucker Carlson think he’s qualified as a theologian? He knows what does and does not deserve to be called Christianity? I had no idea being a largely unwatched talk-show host with no theological background at all necessarily makes one such an authority on faith that he can reject an entire congregation as not Christian enough.

Second, Carlson’s characterization of Obama’s church was misleading.

Carlson also stated that Trinity’s “Black Value System” “calls for congregants to be ‘soldiers for black freedom.’ ” In fact, Trinity encourages parishioners to be “soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind [emphasis added].” The Tribune said that the church’s “value system” was adopted in 1981 to hold “black Christians accountable for taking care of their own and for continuing to fight oppression.”

Further, the Tribune reported that according to Melissa Harris-Lacewell, a professor of politics and African-American studies at Princeton University, “the ‘disavowal of the pursuit of middleclassness’ is simply an argument against materialism and the pursuit of the American standard of wealth. Many white Christian churches also preach against materialism.”

Ironically, the tenets espoused by the church (and disparaged by Carlson) sound pretty conservative, not liberal. The ideas Carlson labeled “wrong” include “Commitment to God,” “Dedication to the Pursuit of Education,” and a “Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect.” Pretty radical stuff.

It’s an interesting twist, isn’t it? A Democratic candidate is facing criticism for having joined and attended a Christian church.

these slimeballs never cease to amaze me. and what amazes me even more is why anybody listens to them…….

  • You don’t understand!!!

    “I had no idea being a largely unwatched talk-show host with no theological background at all necessarily makes one such an authority on faith that he can reject an entire congregation as not Christian enough.”

    It isn’t the TV show that makes him an expert.

    It is his BOW TIE

  • Tucker Carlson is another Jonah Goldberg, a person so odious that he is a blight on the species.

  • At least Tucker, in his usual ignorance, did the public a service by giving publicity to a very sensible program that otherwise would probably have gone unnoticed.

    Who knows, it might even catch on with the general public. Wouldn’t that be a hoot? 😉

  • I wonder what Carlson’s particular religious insanity is. I have to admit that I don’t much like organizations based on race. Like religion itself, they embody a paradox.

  • Disregarding the stupidity of the attack, this is a really interesting point in light of a segment I heard on NPR this morning discussing whether or not the biracial, Harvard educated Obama will appeal to black voters during the primaries, i.e., will they view him as an upperclass sell-out who does not represent their values & culture.
    Keep talking Tucker, maybe someone in the MSM will do a little fact checking and only broaden Obama’s appeal. (a girl can only dream…)

  • Why is it that with every attack on Obama, he becomes more appealing to anyone with a brain? If Tucker keeps it up, people in this nation may have no choice but to vote for Barack simply because the more his character is fleshed out the more there is to like about the guy.

    I had no idea his church held such positive ideals. I have more respect for Barack now than before Tucker opened his mouth.

  • Let’s see…..

    Romney is the the wrong “flavor” of xtianity.

    Obama is the wrong “flavor” of xtianity.

    I think we might be in for quite a “holier than thou” show. I don’t think anyone will satisfy these nutjobs other than Falwell, Dobson, Robertson, or someone like them.

  • Tucker “actually has a backside?” or background? Would he care to share with us his theological training and his understanding of Christian apologetics?
    If Tucker had passed Bible 101, he would have realized that, regardless of if Obama’s faiths beliefs about racial exclusivity, for the years following the Crucifixion, according to the Gospels, Peter and Paul (Mary was on hiatus) battled over whether this new faith was inclusive, i.e. you had to first become a Jew and then a Christian or if pagans and other nonjews were welcomed into Heaven. (I won’t tell which side won out).
    But then Tucker might see Jesus as a divider and not a uniter. After all, all he was was the Messiah (according to Christian tradition) while Tucker has his own show.
    Coming next week; The Church of Tucker and what that Jesus fellow really should have said.

  • I don’t think anyone will satisfy these nutjobs other than Falwell, Dobson, Robertson, or someone like them.

    Just wait until they start running against each other.

  • So the Shiite Christians don’t like the Sunni Christians and want them to die. Don’t you just love religion?

  • I think that there is a strong strain of Christian Materialism in evangelical Xtianity. It comes from their Calvinist roots. According to Kevin Phillips in “American Theocracy”, the combination of religion and materialism (i.e. God blesses those he loves with material goods) shows up as empires begin to crumble.

  • Tucker (“sort of a dick”) Carlson must have some sort of blackmail situation going to keep getting a platform on the TeeVee. Hell, Kevin Federline has more talent than this guy, but Tucker BowTie keeps landing them gigs.
    We shouldn’t listen to him, we should just point & laugh at him and anyone who watches or listens to him.

  • In the event anyone else is curious… Carlson is the son of Richard W. Carlson, a former affiliate-level ABC News anchor who was later president and CEO of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting from 1992 to 1997 and U.S. Ambassador to the Seychelles. His stepmother, Patricia Carlson, is an heiress to the Swanson frozen-food fortune. (Wikipedia)

  • Petorado (#7): Your opening question reminds me of an exchange involving the last major party nominee from Illinois.

    During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to him, “You have the vote of every thinking person!” Stevenson called back, “That’s not enough, madam, we need a majority!”

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adlai_Stevenson

  • Yeah, Bud (post #12), but which god?? The pantheon of xtianity (and the other Abrahamic religions), the pantheon of the hindus, the Tao of the Taoists (one of the few religions I actually have respect for), the Buddha, the ancestors of Shintoism, the Deist entity of the founding fathers, the possible-deity of the secular humanists (read agnostics) or the “no god” of the athiests?

    Let’s not even get into the ancient religions of Rome, Greece, Egypt, the Incas or Aztecs.

    Which god do you commit to and why?? To paraphrase Homer Simpson (gawds bless Matt Groenig): What if we chose the wrong god, and every time we go to church we’re just pissing it off more and more??

  • Now if everyone became a Pantheist there would be no more problems because there would be no more churches and no more gurus and no more revealed truths and no more cults. Our god (little g) would be in everything and everywhere and we would all cherish and gaze in wonder at the cycle of which we are part. We might even be able to save our marvelous earth and love each other….well, I can dream can’t I?

    Imagine?

  • Throwing rocks…just trying to hit anything…doesn’t matter what is attached to it…just try to hit something. These people do no social good at all, they just throw rocks. They shouldn’t even be allowed to ask questions on the public airways because their foo-foo is always below trivial. Just throwing rocks.

  • Interesting. While Tucker has certainly misrepresented it, the church does seem to be about seeing yourself as a black American first, and an American second. It might appeal to black voters, but it might lead to some white voters having reservations. It will be interesting to see how he responds to this. Especially if he makes it to the general election. I’d be a bit surprised to find him president and still attending this church.

  • It’s sad to see how bored commentators get that they have to say just about anything just to get a rise out of people and get ratings.

    I hope the American people aren’t so ignorant as to believe this nonsense.

  • I am from Kansas and I have been hearing several comments that stemmed from fear regarding Trinity United Church of Christ. I decided to call the church and I spoke to a delightful man who confirmed what I already knew. The church advocates the honoring of the members African roots, much like those of us with European roots. Theirs, however, have been negated by our culture. I asked him if I as a white woman would be welcome in his church and he said “absolutely!”

  • It’s always amazing to me how due to racial predjudice any rumors to defame a person are so readily accepted as fact. I see this in many people I know and wonder if they even have a sense of fair play. At least have the decency to research a rumor before you pass it on as fact.

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