A little less TV torture

I didn’t exactly intend to do a whole series of posts on the TV show “24,” but as long as I started down this road, I might as well let readers know about the resolution of the “torture question.” As it turns out, there may be a less offensive outcome.

Fox’s 24 will become less torturous, but not because the U.S. military, human rights groups and children’s advocates want it to.

So says Howard Gordon, an executive producer of the hit thriller starring Emmy winner Kiefer Sutherland as secret antiterrorist operative Jack Bauer, whose interrogation tactics make oatmeal of the Geneva Conventions. […]

The decision to cut back on torture is driven by creativity, not criticism, according to Gordon. In its sixth season, 24 has become so torture-heavy that it borders on cliche, he says.

“What was once an extraordinary or exceptional moment is starting to feel a little trite. The idea of physical coercion or torture is no longer a novelty or surprise.

“It’s not something that we, as writers, want to use as a crutch. We’d like to find other ways for Jack to get information out of suspects,” says Gordon. “Our appetite has decreased. Personally, I think the audience may be tiring of it as well. My wife says it’s too much.”

For what it’s worth, Ms. CB and I already gave up on the show, in part because of the predictable and near-constant use of torture in almost every episode. I’m glad to hear that the executive producer is willing to finally go in a different direction, but have we reached a point in which torture is now a “trite” cliche on mainstream network television? Apparently so.

Gordon acknowledges that he’s aware of the concerns, but wants to make it clear that he’s ignored them — and will make the change for narrative purposes, not political ones.

Gordon says he’s not oblivious to issues raised by various groups, among them, [Parents Television Council], the U.S. military and human rights groups.

In November, he met in L.A. with Brig. Gen. Patrick Finnegan, dean of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, retired military interrogators and Human Rights First representatives. (They also met with producers of ABC’s Lost.)

In the aftermath of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay, some worry that Bauer’s unethical techniques may influence young, real-life American interrogators in Iraq.

“We’re not nearly as naive as some people think we are,” says Gordon. “Once upon a time, we looked at torture in a kind of antiseptic way, not in a broad political context. It’s become politicized because of very real stories and events.”

Perhaps, but isn’t Gordon missing a political opportunity here? If the military has asked the producers to tone down the show, what’s the point in saying, “We’re toning it down, but not for you”?

If the military has asked the producers to tone down the show, what’s the point in saying, “We’re toning it down, but not for you”?

Because being Right means never having to say you’re wrong.

Geez… you’d think after 40 years you people would figure these assholes out on your own. 🙂

  • Gordon is anti-troops, anti-America, and anti-Democracy. Maybe the military ought to boycott FOX until they pull the plug on Gordon and his “Uberschweinen Zwei-und-Zwanzig” tripe….

  • ” If the military has asked the producers to tone down the show, what’s the point in saying, “We’re toning it down, but not for you”

    Cause he’s a rightwing jerk who can never admit a mistake or a change in perspective?

  • Yay! We won! The left blogosphere has forced Gordon to tone down the torture. He’s given in to our pressure.

    Might as well claim victory like the wingnuts do.

  • Karen and I quit the show in its second season. It has seemed to be fulfilling part of what some see as America’s destiny: to prove, once and for all, that American is the “New Rome”. The only difference seems to be that the gratuitous gore and violence in or TeeVee shows, movies and video games is “only virtual”. Like the other kind of porn, however, it soon becomes very boring, at least to those with some education, imagination or experience of real life.

  • BTW, he is claiming originality as his motivation? Didn’t 24 introduce Bauer’s evil twin this season? LOL! That’s original.

  • I stopped watching in the middle of the second season when I realized in about 48 hours Jack Bauer’s daughter had been abducted or kidnapped numerous times. Seemed pretty implausible. Sounds like its just gotten worse.

  • Funny excuse. “We wanted to tone down the torture before we started to look like a Mel Gibson movie.” Whatever you say.

    But WTF is this line? “Once upon a time, we looked at torture in a kind of antiseptic way, not in a broad political context. It’s become politicized because of very real stories and events.” Looking at torture in an “antiseptic way” is to say you don’t care that it’s deplorable human behavior. Taking a politcally charged topic like torture and moaning about how others are politicizing it is pure BS. Then to say that a show that wouldn’t have existed if not for 9/11 and Abu Ghraib is forced to change because of current events really puts the cart before the horse. Gordon is a liar and not a very good one at that.

    Speaking of torture on the TV screen ,view this clip of Rush and Coulter on the “1/2 hour comedy hour.” It’s a pathetic attempt at humor, but Rush offers Ann a cigar in the Oval Office and I couldn’t hekp think he meant it in a Lewinsky way = http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/14/video-president-rush-limbaugh-vice-president-ann-coulter

  • Re: The military’s line that 24 might make interrogators go buck wild on the detainees. I call 103% bullshit.

    The military just doesn’t like people connecting torture with the government. If the military trains and monitors interrogators, keeps an eye on the detainees and allows them full access to lawyers, the chances that some cretin will decide to play Jackoff Bauer without the permission of a higher-up are remote in the extreme.

    Perhaps my lefty liberal tendencies are getting out of control but my thinking tends to stick at “It’s just a damn TV show.” Especially when groups like Parents Too Lazy To Turn Off The Damn TV get involved. If you don’t want little Jimmy watching a man do bad things or see two people smooching or hear a swear word, TURN OFF THE TV.

    “It’s not something that we, as writers, want to use as a crutch. We’d like to find other ways for Jack to get information out of suspects,”

    So can we look forward to Sutherland seducing big burly terrorist dudes? I’ve never watched the show but I might tune in for that. Or I might just listen for the outraged screams from the rightwingy thingies.

  • I too, stopped watching after season 2. IMO it was a contributing factor in making what goes on in Gitmo acceptable to otherwise rational humane Americans.

    And just to nitpick, torture doesn’t work, it does not actually produce any usable intelligence. During the age of the Spanish Inquisition, torture was not used to get information – it was used to force people to recant – to say things they did not mean or believe, or things that were not true. The end result has not changed today, under extraordinary interrogation, detainees will say whatever they are told to say to get it to stop.

  • God knows it would be nice to see Sutherland actually forced to act rather than bellow his way through each episode.

    Not holding my breath, though.

  • I used to always wonder why Kiefer, whose politics are (or were) 180 out from the show, did the thing, thinking originally it would harm his career. Then I remembered he didn’t have a career when he signed on.

    Being sneered at by the Freepers is an insult. In drama, the good guy is supposed to be opposed by a bad guy who is bad to the degree the good guy is good. If the Freepers are the best we can get, we must not be doing very much.

    I remember a couple months ago, there was a Freeper got arrested out here for making “terrorist threats.” He was 39, had an AA degree (only recently), and a dead-end job, lived at home in his parents’ basement, and was both fat and still dealing with acne despite being prematurely bald. Talk about life imitating image!

  • I’m not a fan of 24, in fact have never watched an episode–but the one TV show I do watch with fanatical devotion, “Battlestar Galactica,” also has a recurring motif around interrogation, torture, and treatment of “enemy combatants.” To my eye, they’ve done a pretty good job showing all sides of the debate, and making good entertainment in the process.

    Given the wingnuts’ past devotion to that show (like so many great TV shows, from The Prisoner to The Simpsons, BSG seems to speak to folks across the political spectrum), and the level of fury they displayed when the show leveled a devastating critique of the Iraq occupation, it would be pretty interesting to do a compare ‘n’ contrast between the two programs.

  • “24” appeals to the “might makes right” dunderheads in society. Don’t expect those assclowns to appreciate the concept of inhumanity. All they know is, the end justifies the means. Dehumanizing the bad guys is ok as long as I’m safe and no one is held accountable.

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