A candidate and his pastor

It was largely unexpected, but questions about Barack Obama’s church pastor had, oddly enough, suddenly become the one political controversy that stood to do the most damage to his campaign. The Rezko story seems pretty thin, NAFTA-gate turned out to be much less than met the eye, the “madrassa” story was complete nonsense, and the “plagiarism” flap was just silly.

But questions about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright actually mattered, and over the last day or two, began to dominate. Portions of his more inflammatory sermons were hard to dismiss, there was video that dominated the cable networks, and reasonable people wanted to hear more from Obama directly about his thoughts on Wright’s, shall we say, “provocative” ideas. Obama had denounced a variety of Wright’s comments, but it wasn’t quite enough.

Hoping to tackle the burgeoning controversy before it grew too intense, Obama addressed the matter in a 600-word piece for the Huffington Post.

The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He’s drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it’s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

The entire piece is worth reading, just to appreciate the full context, but Obama explained how he came to join Trinity United Church of Christ nearly 20 years ago, that he was not in the pews for the controversial sermons and did not learn of them until fairly recently, and why he did not leave his church after learning of the retiring pastor’s inflammatory comments.

Obama concluded, “[W]hile Rev. Wright’s statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.”

And if that weren’t enough, Obama proceeded to go even further after the HuffPost item was published.

He appeared on MSNBC last night to denounce Wright’s remarks even more forcefully, and did a nice job of trying to fit the controversy into his broader message of generational change.

“[O]ne thing that I do hope to do is to use some of these issues to talk more fully about the question of race in our society, because part of what we`re seeing here is Reverend Wright represents a generation that came of age in the 60s.

“He`s an African-American man, who, you know, because of his life experience continues to have a lot of anger and frustration, and will express that in ways that are very different from me and my generation, partly because I benefited from the struggles of that early generation. And so, part of what we`re seeing here is a transition from the past to the future. And I hope that our politics represents the future.”

Around the same time, campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor notified reporters that Wright will no longer serve in his largely ceremonial role on Obama’s African American Religious Leadership Committee.

I’m cognizant of the opportunity for hypocrisy. To be intellectually honest, I’ve been thinking about how I’d react if Obama were a Republican with a far-right pastor with a record of inflammatory rhetoric. Under the circumstances, I’d expect (and probably write a great deal about) the need for the candidate to repudiate the comments, disassociate himself with the pastor, and explain the association in some detail. As far as I can tell, Obama has done all three.

In this sense, I don’t think it’s hypocritical at all to criticize John McCain for his embrace of right-wing religious extremists (Falwell, Hagee, and Parsley, among others), while defending Obama from conservative attacks about Wright. The different is in the response — McCain went out of his way to reach out to radical religious figures, rationalize their hate-filled rhetoric, and use his associations for political gain. All available evidence suggests Obama has done the polar opposite.

Ultimately, as offensive as Wright’s remarks have been, I just don’t see where else the story can go. Obama is a member of a Christian church, his Christian pastor has said some ridiculous things, and Obama has denounced them. If we’re going to start holding candidates responsible for every utterance from their congregation, the burdens on politicians will quickly become ridiculous.

On a related note, Yglesias added:

I’ve been slow on the uptake with the Jeremiah Wright issue because I don’t just have a quippy joke to make about this. I’m unsure, in general, of what the standards we’re supposed to apply to the political views of politicians’ favored clergy. I have no idea what the rabbis at Temple Rodef Shalom (where I’ve gone to synagogue the past few High Holy Days) or at The Village Temple (where I had my bar mitzvah) think about political issues, but I assume I don’t agree with them about everything, and certainly it’d be odd to drag up old statements made by any of the relevant rabbis about this or that and then ask me to either endorse the statement or repudiate the entire congregation.

By the same token, we don’t assume that a politician who goes to mass wants to ban birth control nor do we ask Catholics who favored preventive war with Iraq to repudiate the Pope in order to prove their hawk bona fides. In short, we generally assume that a politician’s stated political views express his or her position on political topics, and that affiliating with a religious congregation does not constitute an endorsement of everything the leaders of that congregation have ever said.

Which is a long-winded way of saying that I see this as a basically trumped-up issue.

If Obama had kept quiet, and said nothing about Wright, it would have been a mistake. The questions have been fair and legitimate. But Obama appears to have answered them. I don’t doubt the far-right will make every effort to milk this for all it’s worth, for as long as possible, but the suggestions that Wright’s comments should bring Obama’s patriotism into doubt are cheap and misguided — and the right knows it.

How controversial were the guys sermons, exactly? “Chickens coming home to roost on 9-11?” That sort of thing? Who cares? At least Wright is condemning American foreign policy on the basis of the offical story of 9-11. He can’t be that radical. Attacking Obama for his Church, forces an attacker to move away from the Obama is a Moslem nonsense.

If the media would ask the candidates some detailed, intellegent questions about policy, the “void” as Cuomo puts it, wouldn’t be filled with this crap.

Anyway- nothing to see here. Not a deal breaker. Let’s move along to the nomination and election of a new president.

  • and not once did anyone accuse Wright of being a secret muslim. There is an opportunity here for Obama to knock down that particularf nonsense.

  • Pastor Wright and Sen. Obama’s relationship:

    Pastor for 20 years,
    Friend, Mentor,
    Spiritual leader,
    Gave inspiration to write a book, ‘Audacity of Hope’,
    Was married by him,
    Baptized two daughters by him,
    Thanked him after he won the Senate seat,
    Consulted him before deciding to run for president,
    Prayed privately with him before announcing his candidacy,
    Member of his campaign team (resigned today),
    And was like an uncle.

    Sen. Obama said that he NEVER HEARD of this kind of comment from the pastor!!

    He used all the correct words, denounce, reject, repudiate, condemn, etc to end the scandle.

    What else could anyone say when the PRESIDENCY of United States is within a grasp.

    Well, you be the judge if Sen. Obama has ‘Judgment to Lead’ (his campaign slogan)!!

  • I have a job where I listen to a lot of radio during the day. Sometimes I tune into Glen Beck and Rush Limabugh– the past few days this is ALL they can talk about. They keep repeating how SCARY both Obamas are, that this must mean that they both secretly hate America, that Obamas in the White House is “scarier” than the Clintons. It’s a pretty transparent attempt to get white people to fear the Obamas because they have some kind of “secret (black) agenda.” This goes to the heart of truly racist fears– that if black people were in charge of this country they would want retribution and vengance against white Americans.

    In the same breath they warn that Liberals/Democrats are all really racists who play the race card. Meanwhile they are playing with race in a way that is truly nauseating.

  • “He`s an African-American man, who, you know, because of his life experience continues to have a lot of anger and frustration, and will express that in ways that are very different from me and my generation, partly because I benefited from the struggles of that early generation. And so, part of what we`re seeing here is a transition from the past to the future. And I hope that our politics represents the future.”

    Substitute “She’s a woman” for “He’s an African-American man”, and this would have been an appropriate response for Clinton to give about Ferraro. But then, Clinton is exploiting the divisions created by gender inequality. Some will dismiss this as strategy, but I think it says more about character.

  • I can see the ads now from the republican 527’s starting on less say Monday or Tuesday with the tape of Rev Wright declaring “God Damn America” instead of God Bless America.

    Or maybe the one where he complains that Hillary has never been called a degrading slang. It should go over big in white america.

    I believe that this more than likely makes Barack unelectable. This is one that will not go away. My prediction is Barack gets 9 of 10 AA vote in PA, Hillary gets 9 of 10 white votes in PA.

  • Sen. Obama said that he NEVER HEARD of this kind of comment from the pastor!!

    On the contrary, the senator makes it clear he is familiar with the tone of the rhetoric, and understands its sources, that it is emblematic of an older generation of black leadership which suffered greatly and accomplished much. And that now it is time to move on.

    Exactly right.

    What he said was that he was not in the pews when the comments were made, and did not learn of them until recently. I think most will file this under One More Jerk in the Pulpit.

  • I have listened to Wright and I don’t understand the fuss. He hasn’t lied. He’s angry about things we all ought to be angry about. He isn’t running for office. If that were so I could understand his expressing himself only after having had all his opinions vetted by expensive focus groups and managers. Wright is a preacher and, from the sound of it, a damned good one. Preachers, some of them anyway, are known for bombastic Jeremiads, for telling truth to power.

    Revelation 3:15-16 — I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

    Reverend Wright certainly isn’t lukewarm. He’s refreshingly hot, fired up, angry at the way we have treated black people and continue to treat them to the day. It is righteous anger and should be praised rather than condemned.

    If you think we’ve turned a corner somewhere on race relations, just because LBJ singed two rights acts, wait to see how the GOP behaves this summer, assuming Obama’s our nominee. I shudder to think. Our racist bigotry runs very wide and very deep, whether public opinion pollsters know it or not.

    Matthew 21: 12-13 — Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. “It is written,” he said to them, ” ‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it a ‘den of robbers.’

    It is mega-church millionaires such as Falwell, Hagee, and Parsley who should arouse our hatred and contempt, not Wright. I’m sorry to see Obama distancing himself from his pastor like this. It’s the first cowardly thing I’ve seen him do, and it hurts to watch him being transformed by our apparently overwhelming need to be bland.

  • Obamas kids were forced to listen to this crap every Sunday.
    Brainwashing child abuse.

  • As hard as it is to believe all of these tapes are available for sale on the churchs web site. No one can tell me that Barack just recently heard about these tapes. in itself is just unbelievable. When Barack was ready to announce his run for president he uninvited Rev Wright because of these tapes. Then went and prayed privately with him.

    This isn’t going to be a one day story.

  • Comeback Bill said, “I believe that this more than likely makes Barack unelectable. This is one that will not go away. My prediction is Barack gets 9 of 10 AA vote in PA, Hillary gets 9 of 10 white votes in PA.

    What Comeback Bill meant to say is “I hope that this more than likely makes Barack unelectable. This is one that, I hope, will not go away. My hope is Barack gets 9 of 10 AA vote in PA, Hillary gets 9 of 10 white votes in PA.”

  • As a church-going Christian my whole life, I know there have been times when my pastors have said things with which I have agreed, disagreed, vehemently disagreed, and wholeheartedly agreed. Sometimes those circumstances change your relationships with those pastors; other times, they do not. But your relationship with your church is a lot more than just what a pastor says during a sermon. I also know that as a pastor gets closer to retirement, part of you says, “I don’t like this sermon, but we’re getting someone new here soon.”

    I have been to a number of African-American churches in Chicago, although never Trinity United Church of Christ. It’s not my style of preaching or worship, but it’s useful for this white suburban woman to attend a different style to broaden her view. Of course, I also would repudiate the comments in those sermons. But they are probably the worst of a 30-year preaching career.

    I do know that when Jeremiah Wright took over the church, it had about 80 members; now its membership is in the thousands. It offers day care, a food pantry, a program for transitional housing for homeless, HIV/AIDS care and counseling. I could go on and on. People go there for and because of the social services as well as the Sunday services.

  • Comeback Bill said, “This isn’t going to be a one day story.

    Comeback Bill meant to say “I hope this isn’t going to be a one day story.”

  • Give me a brake why why why do we even want to consider a man of his background for president of us. Are we sick as a nation or what?

  • Sen. Obama’s piece in the Huffington Post and his comments on MSNBC should lay this to rest. They won’t, because the right has a vested interested in keeping this aflame and the jackals in the media need controversy to survive. But hin a sane world, he’d be clear.

    Here’s what truly impressed me: The senator’s unique use of the word “if” — as with the curious incident of the dog barking in the night, there isn’t one. He doesn’t say that he’s sorry “if” someone takes offense or “if” someone finds the pastor’s words hurtful. He immediately accepts that what Pastor Wright said was damaging and angry and hurtful. He doesn’t subtly twist this into some sort of indictment of an oversenstivie effete segment of the population. He doesn’t claim that Wright is just “misunderstood”. Sen. Obama takes the hit head-on and — with regret but with honesty — acknowledges the baleful nature of the remarks.

    Contrast that with Sen. Clinton’s mild “disagreement” with Ferraro. Compare it to Sen. McCain’s weak rejection “if” Haggee’s comments “struck some” as anti-Catholic. Sen. Obama owns up to the harmful hateful remarks. He still rejects them, but he rejects them for the right reason: Because they don’t fit his ideals; not because some pollster convinced him they harm his campaign.

    That is character. That is leadership. That is the hallmark of someone who should occupy the Oval Office.

  • Ed @ 8

    You just don’t get it. There goes the independent vote. Many white voters would think twice about pulling the lever for Barack in November. However you look at Barack this is very damaging. As for the right-wing wackos you name everyone knows their views and expect that from them.

    But statements like “the white man invented aids to infect people of color” or “white people build more prison and hand out drugs to incarcerate more people of color” are a little more than over the top. Or the “U’KKK’SA”.

    How anyone can defend this is totally incoherent.

  • Obamas kids were forced to listen to this crap every Sunday.

    Oh, great. The pearl-clutching brigades are here with the panicked “what about the children?!?! won’t someone please think about the children?!?” hysteria.

    Take it somewhere else, Helen Lovejoy.

  • unlike the end-of-times fantasies of Hagee and the like, Wright makes valid, albeit with a 60’s revolutionary rhetoric, points about the legacy of US state sponsored terrorism (e.g. his references to carpet bombings/agent orange on civilian targets in vietnam, a-bombs on civilian targets in japan).

    you know your country is koyannisquatsi when a presidential candidate has to renounce the truth. so many parallels with the propoganda of 1930’s germany, added and abetted by the MSM, all to justify this country’s appetite for overconsumption, that it’s really quite scary.

  • Obama can honestly sit on TV and say he was never in the congregation when this guy was spewing his hate and expect us to actually BELIEVE that? Sorry – there are just far too may instances of hate speech from this hate monger to believe Obama missed that many sermons. And then even after he found out about at least one of the hateful sermons (blaming the US for 911), Obama still put the guy on his campaign. And even yesterday he was on Fox saying that he disagrees with what the pastor said from time to time, but he won’t distance himself?? Sorry – but if I knew anyone that spewed that kind of hatred, I wouldn’t even let my dog in the same room – much less my wife (who seems to believe the same way the pastor does), my kids or anyone else. That Obama is friends with this guy – calls him “an Uncle like mentor” leaves a lot to consider about his judgement.

  • Ed (post 8), there’s no fuss about what Pastor Wright says, it’s because it’s being exploited by those who exploit and twist everything, the neocon hate machine. Notice they’re not attacking Sally Kern (R-OK) for her vile interpretations of Gods word. But thank you for the exact passage from Matthew about the false believers being tossed from the temple. I cannot fathom the audacity of so many “preachers” spewing hatred and right wing drivel in between trips on their private jets.

  • As a Brit, I might not have the full inside line on this story but it makes me fear for Senator Obama’s electability.

    The Republicans are going to squeeze every last drop out of this and, if handled correctly, I strongly believe that it will ruin the Democrats’ chances in the Fall. They can use it to get the focus back on the security issues that the Republicans do so well on and away from the GOP’s blundering economic incompetence.

    The US needs a Democrat in the White House to get the country back on its feet again; the world needs a Democrat to make us feel that we truly are safe in our beds again.

  • How anyone can defend this is totally incoherent.

    And how you can argue that anyone — Obama, his supporters, or Steve even — is somehow defending this is totally idiotic.

    Obama has denounced it repeatedly, in print, on TV, and in interviews. Get a fucking grip.

  • Obama has said that he learned about these “controversial statements” when he started running for president (not in the past few days). Did he condemn the statements then? No. Instead, he put his pastor on his campaign committee. Just like any other politician, he says the right things when caught, but he was really really slow to react to this. There are always weirdoes and radicals who endorse this candidate or that one. That’s not the point. Obama considers this pastor his mentor and close friend. He took his kids to that church. He attended for 20 years. And it never occured to him that the pastor’s hatred of America would be seen as a political negative. Did he think all of America agrees with his pastor? The last thing we need is a President with friends and advisors who think the US is the Great Satan and deserved 9/11.

  • And even yesterday he was on Fox saying that he disagrees with what the pastor said from time to time, but he won’t distance himself??

    He won’t distance himself? For God’s sake, READ THIS POST. It’s all about Obama distancing himself. He renounced him forcefully in print, he went on TV to reject him.

    Does he need to shoot him in the head with a handgun, with a hundred witnesses and a notarized statement of authenticity, for it to count in your eyes? What else do you need?

  • Substitute “She’s a woman” for “He’s an African-American man”, and this would have been an appropriate response for Clinton to give about Ferraro.

    fwiw, I’d have been extremely insulted if Clinton had said that about Ferraro. It would have sounded sexist. Funny, isn’t it?

  • Nice that he condemns Pastor after everyone else tells him it is wrong. Where has Obama been since 9/11? Congrats to John McCain for letting the truth shown concerning the real Obama! Your friends and associations cannot help but define you. Obama is not fit to lead the US!

  • Again with the patriotism crap.

    Our national debt is up, a huge chunk of our taxes go toward interest payments, we have military industrial complex that dwarfs anybody elses in the world and is larger than that of the entire world’s combined, we engaged in a war of choice that has resulted in the death of 4000 Americans plus the deaths of tens of thousands innocent Iraqis, we’re allowing our government to spy and sometimes imprison its political enemies, violent crime is up, the infant mortality rate is up, poverty is up, the middle class is shrinking, we’re fueling global warming and terrorism with our oil addiction, and we’re in a recession that many predict could last for years.

    Is somebody’s patriotism really worth arguing about right now? Are we really going to fall for this typical Republican misdirection tactic?

    There’s nothing more patriotic than recognizing problems and working to bring solutions.

  • How can you ‘exploit and twist’ God damn America? What’s there to twist? What’s there to exploit?

    How about the GOP running an ad with Obama looking at the flag, hand on heart with Wright’s diatribe as the accompaying soundtrack.

    Vote Clinton.

  • Wow, a lot of brand new concern trolls here today. Did they bus some in from Hillaryis44.org?

  • I can see the ads now from the republican 527’s starting on less say Monday or Tuesday with the tape of Rev Wright declaring “God Damn America” instead of God Bless America.

    Or maybe the one where he complains that Hillary has never been called a degrading slang. It should go over big in white america.

    Not to even mention how it will inflame the racial divide. Do we really want to sit through this, people? This Wright ain’t no MLK.

  • Rev Wright is articulating what a lot of Americans feel. We as a country have backed a lot of corrupt regimes including the current one in IRAQ. We have inspired people to rise up and revolt against authority only to abandon them when the going got tough. Courts recognize antagonistic behavior as a contributing factor to conflicts, however American arrogance will never allow us to face up to our contributions to the hate many people around the world feel towards us. It is not all from extreme “crazy” people who hate us, much of it is justified. No one condones terrorism, but it would be prudent to explore how our foreign policy has contributed to the current problem instead of starting preemptive wars which will only make the situation worse. We also must keep in mind that the good reverend represents a people who have been terribly abused and exploited by America, so their feelings seem appropriate.

  • I am pleased that Obama renounced Wright’s statements while refusing to reject the man himself. Obama has said he is like a “crazy uncle”, something we should all understand. There are people who I want to be a part of my life but who I disagree with vehemently on some issues. I understand that he may agree with Wright’s religious teachings and disagree on his interpretations of culture and politics. Where I run into trouble is that Obama took his children to this church- are these the lessons he wants to teach his young children? What does he say to them when he disagrees with part of the sermon? Would you continue to expose your young children to speech you disagree with and then try to teach how to reject a part of the speech? What does this choice say about Obama’s judgment and how much of what Rev. Wright says he rejects?

    I wonder how many people will see themselves in this delemma.

  • Comeback Bill said “ There goes the independent vote. Many white voters would think twice about pulling the lever for Barack in November. However you look at Barack this is very damaging.

    Comeback Bill meant, ” There goes the independent vote, I hope. I hope many white voters would think twice about pulling the lever for Barack in November. However you look at Barack, I hope this is very damaging.”

  • #22

    I really can’t see how anyone can defend this. You may want to give him a brake but there are millions of Americans who won’t come election day. This is pure hate speech plain and simple. Using an excuse that hes from the 60’s just doesn’t cut it with me.

  • And why shouldn’t an older black man in America be mad as hell? No, he should be grateful for the opportunities that this nation has provided him…whatever.

    A black service is often a much, much different thing than the boring, white Protestant services people expect from “church”. I won’t ever be a Christian, but if i was to become one, the only way i could tolerate it would be to join a black congregation…inflammatory or not.

    Both the right and the Clintons (assuming that there’s a difference between them) will beat Obama over the head with this. The media will happily play along. It’s to be expected, and it may change some minds. This is a case where it’s better that this came out now than in the general election.

    But will the media examine Sen Clinton’s relationship with “The Fellowship”, that secret society of extreme right wing religiosity in D.C? Will they talk about her battalions of “prayer warriors”? No, they won’t, because scary, violent, inflammatory, white Christianity is as American as puritans and apple pie. As Chris Rock said, “If it’s all white, it’s all right.”

  • “If Obama had kept quiet, and said nothing about Wright, it would have been a mistake. The questions have been fair and legitimate. But Obama appears to have answered them…suggestions that Wright’s comments should bring Obama’s patriotism into doubt are cheap and misguided…”

    Are you kidding me? This isn’t about Senator Obama’s patriotism – it’s about judgment and electability. That Senator Obama sat on his hands in the pews of this nut for twenty years, allowed him to marry him and Mrs. Obama, to baptize his daughters is beyond the pale. His judgment not to denounce and repuditate this “minister” when explaining he was not of Muslim faith is remarkable. NOW that it has hit the press, he denounces “very strongly”. There is no way Senator Obama will ever be elected President – read it again: HE IS UN-ELECTABLE. I was ‘on the fence’ between Sens. Clinton and Obama. His “pastor” just made the decision for me….”Obama’s patriotism into doubt”??? Are you kidding???

  • Joe: “Are we really going to fall for this typical Republican misdirection tactic?

    Exactly…this is a bullshit issue to distract us from things that really matter.

  • So, Obama knows Rezko for 17 years and is unaware that he’s a crook seeking favors and has known his preacher for 20 years and never had a clue that he was a racist America hater. Hmmm — makes you wonder how his judgment would be exercised in a true world crisis.

    Add to that the fact that his policy statements seem to change with the wind, his campaign comes down to nothing more than a call for change without anything specific to change. Interesting how some voters don’t seem to grasp the more subtle aspects of a campaign.

  • this is only the beginning of a lot of things ignored by most folks on obama. people are so bent on change, that they are blinded by the pied piper (obama). change, we’ll be getting if he’s elected president. the white house turns ghetto, black crime will increase in record levels. if you think blacks have an attitude now, you haven’t seen anything yet. just wait till they have one of their own in the white house running the country. if you think they get in your face now, just wait. obama’s pastor is only showing you the true beliefs in the real obama and what he believes to be true. those wanting to vote for obama had better wake up and smell the coffee. why do you think 90% of black people are voting for him ? they feel what’s owed to them is within reach and it’s coming for them..i for one am curious to see a trashed out white house, it would be a first wouldn’t it ?….

  • Unfortunately I tend to agree with Comeback Bill #16. The argument that I don’t have to agree with my pastor in everything he says can go so far. At the least shows a lapse of judgement for a public figure to attend with his family a church where the pastor says that “the white man invented aids to infect people of color”. And it is very difficult to believe that something like that can go unnotice in the church community. If Clinton was waiting for some miracle this is it. She is leting him dig a little dipper, and then just a little push and is over.

  • turner,

    Were you saw concerned when in 2000 90% of the black vote went Al Gore? Just asking ?

  • In August 2008, the Muqtada al Sadr cease fire expires and the situation in and around Baghdad will quickly become more ominous as a result. In the USA the Democrats will be at their convention in silly hats.

    In October, there will be a campaign commercial, which will begin with footage/references to Senator John McCain’s suffering as a Prisoner of War in Hanoi, North Vietnam, while serving his country.

    The commercial will fade into Senator McCain singing “God Bless America” at a ball-game or capitol event, or something like that…where he is singing along with other aging vets, etc. As he sings, the fiery, gutteral words of Pastor Wright will overtake his, “GOD DAMN AMERICA, GOD DAMN AMERICA, GOD DAMN AMERICA” – the commercial will end with our flag, apple pie and a suburban mother and children singing “God Bless America”.

    End of commercial. End of Senator Obama’s campaign. Have a nice day, you idiots.

  • I’ve just listened to the FOX clip on youtube. Now Obama lost the Italian American vote too. lol

  • If a Catholic runs for office does he or she have to distance myself from the Church because it looked the other way when priests were molesting children?

    Does a Baptist have to distance himself from his church because it teaches that women must be subservient to men?

    Does McCain have to distance himself from the idiots on the right who are actively seeking war in the middle east in order to hasten armegeddon?

    Does Hillary have to distance herself from Pat Robertson who said that America brought 9/11 on itself (Hillary Clinton appeared on Robertson’s news channel for an interview)?

    It’s amazing to me that the people who complain loudest about political-correctness are in any position to complain about Rev. Wright. These assholes have taken political-correctness to a whole new level.

  • Not a troll, a concerned UK citizen who lives and works in Kuwait. I have seen US foreign policy in action, up-close for a few years now. For the record, I stayed in Kuwait for the war – didn’t buy any of the WMD crap.

  • ..if he’s elected president. the white house turns ghetto…

    And so it begins.

    God help us.

  • Helena your ridicules. If you can’t see how this hurts Baracks chances of ever winning the white vote then you live in some sort of fantasy world. Iam a true democrat and I don’t want to see McCain elected in November. Just because I personally think that this makes Barack unelectable doesn’t change the fact that Barack if he is the nominee would make me vote for McCain. People my age have heard this type of speech from black leaders all our lives and we reject it totally.
    I would hope that this would end today but there is not a chance in hell that it will. There is no way that the republicans are going to let this die.

  • You also cannot choose your elderly uncles – you can choose where you go to worship God.

    What kind of preacher damns anything?

  • change, we’ll be getting if he’s elected president. the white house turns ghetto, black crime will increase in record levels. if you think blacks have an attitude now, you haven’t seen anything yet. just wait till they have one of their own in the white house running the country. if you think they get in your face now, just wait.

    Wow. Thanks for reminding me one of the many reasons why I support Obama. If an ignorant racist fuck like you is against him, he must be doing something right.

    To all the other people here who are wringing their hands of Wright’s comments, wondering how this might drive some voters away from Obama, take a good look at that comment and ask yourself: Do I want our political life being dictated by the concerns of these people? Do I want to worry about what they think and how they might be offended? Do I want to align myself with that kind of ugliness and ignorance?

    Letting yourself be swayed by their racism is worse than the racism itself. At least the racists have the power of their own convictions, as stupid as they may be. But you? You’re letting yourself be cowed into tacitly supporting their racism because you’re afraid of losing their votes.

  • This could be very damaging for Obama. While many of us understand there is a difference between Obama and his pastor’s views….many more would not. The comments by this pastor are simply hateful and way out of line to be totally offensive to the majority of Americans. Obama knew about these statements earlier than this, especially earlier than a year ago. I would think the Obama would have combed through his past to find anything potentially damaging. As Bill Clinton would have said, to believe otherwise would have been pure “fantasy”. And Obama waited way too long then to condemn these statements strongly. I watched him on CNN and the clear bright articulation was gone as he stumbled for words.

    If Obama becomes the democratic president, this will be the “swift boating” effective television spot that will kill his chances on becoming president. Obama borrowed the idea of “audacity of hope” from this pastor…it should have been called the “audacity of hatred”.

  • a long and rich tradition of US state sponsored terrorism (otherwise known as ‘low intensity conflict’):

    the westward movement (“Manifest Destiny” & extermination of native americans)
    nicaragua
    chile
    costa rica
    honduras
    argentina
    columbia
    guatemala
    el salvador
    iran (the shah, installation thereof)
    iraq (saddam, support thereof)
    lebanon
    palestine
    turkey
    vietnam
    laos
    cambodia
    cuba
    south africa
    japan (hiroshima, nagasaki)
    the philippines
    “renditioning” & torture
    suspension of habeus corpeus
    …and so on and so forth.

    and we’re denouncing wright for being angry about it??

  • I think Obama should drop out of the race because IMO the right will use these videos against him. The evangelical style of worship–shouting amen and acting emotional–is hard to take when the message isn’t God Damn America. But watching a bunch of black people shout and clap over a prominent minister saying God Damn America is going to be a reflection on the black community. And they’ll get blamed for their blackness, not their evangelical style.

    Obama can take this criticism, and he should. But the black community shouldn’t have to be painted with this brush.

    Do the right thing, Obama.

    I’m very sorry that it’s come to this.

  • Re: 34,

    Yes, hate speech is terrible…unless it’s hate speech against Muslims. You’re probably right about Americans, the people who hardly raised a peep when their president launched a “crusade” against the “evil ones”.

    It’s all about who you hate. Hate the darkies; hate the queers; hate the Jews; hate the Muslims…but never, ever, ever hate the crackers. That’s just wrong, isn’t it? White people are so full of goodness and light. White people have caused more death, misery, and destruction than all the red, yellow, and black people combined…but it’s ok, because we’re proud of it. We sing its praises in our history books; we indoctrinate our children into it. Many of us still fly the flag that represents brutal oppression based on color…but that’s just free, fucking speech.

    “They put me in school, but it don’t matter/ Cause i’m sittin in History/ Learnin bout a sucker, who didn’t give a fuck about me/ They try to shape us/ But I know Uncle Sam is a motherfuckin’ rapist…” ~Ice Cube. Can anyone factually disprove Mr. Cube’s assessment of Uncle Sam?

    As FZ said, “You know people, i ain’t black…but there’s a whole lotta times i wish i could say that i’m not white.”

  • Comback Bill said, “You may want to give him a brake [sic] but there are millions of Americans who won’t come election day.

    Comeback Bill meant, “You may want to give him a break, but I hope there are millions of Americans who won’t come election day. “

  • This whole issue is laughable about what Obama’s pastor said . Where is the media with Pat Buchanan, Pat Robertson, John Hagee the right spout their stupidity . They are nowhere to be heard. In Rev. Hagee case it is ok to be a bigot toward Roman Catholics in the United States, and consider all Muslims to be creature of evil. And that the whole of the Mideast belongs to Israel.

    My God we have a president who sent us into a war for no seeming reason and backed up by lying and nothing ever said. We do not have enough soldiers in Afghanistan because of this stupid war in Iraq. I m really surprised this country has not caved in and became a nation state ran by corporate greed. OOPPs maybe it has.

  • oh, and one more addition to post #52 — one that just might contribute to wright’s anger:

    slavery

  • Comeback Bill said, “Just because I personally think that this makes Barack unelectable doesn’t change the fact that Barack if he is the nominee would make me vote for McCain. People my age have heard this type of speech from black leaders all our lives and we reject it totally. I would hope that this would end today but there is not a chance in hell that it will. There is no way that the republicans are going to let this die.

    Comeback Bill meant, “Just because I personally hope that this makes Barack unelectable doesn’t change the fact that Barack if he is the nominee would make me vote for McCain. People my age have heard this type of speech from black leaders all our lives and I hope we reject it totally. I would hope that this would continue but there is not a chance in hell that it will. I hope there is no way that the republicans are going to let this die.”

  • “This Wright ain’t no MLK”

    No, he certainly is not. But then, do you believe that in his day MLK got a dissimilar response to his rhetoric in the media and from the public-at-large? The man who’s now lauded Vietnam speech TIME called “demagogic slander that sounded like a script for Radio Hanoi”? Lets not be selective in how and what we remember … a little refresher on some of the things the now revered King had to say:

    “We must stand up and say, “I’m black and I’m beautiful,” and this self-affirmation is the black man’s need, made compelling by the white man’s crimes against him”

    “I speak out against this war because I am disappointed with America. And there can be no great disappointment where there is not great love. I am disappointed with our failure to deal positively and forthrightly with the triple evils of racism, economic exploitation, and militarism. We are presently moving down a dead-end road that can lead to national disaster. America has strayed to the far country of racism and militarism.”

    “Many of the ugly pages of American history have been obscured and forgotten. A society is always eager to cover misdeeds with a cloak of forgetfulness, but no society can fully repress an ugly past when the ravages persist into the present.”

    “And don’t let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine, messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment, and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, “You’re too arrogant! And if you don’t change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I’ll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn’t even know my name. Be still and know that I’m God.”

    and could we ever forget:

    “I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today — my own government”

    In the interest of balance, I might also point out, that hand picked minutes from literally thousands of delivered speeches should hardly be considered representative, or is our capacity for nuance truly so limited? Perhaps the MSM might like to play footage which contradicts the image they wish to play, but alas they have little interest in balance. For example:

    “The good news that’s coming is for all people! Not white people—all people. Not black people—all people. Not rich people—all people. Not poor people—all people. I know you’ll hate this… not straight people—all people! Not gay people—all people. Not American people—all people. …God’s good news isn’t just for Americans, it’s for all people. Say “all people”! Jesus came for Iraqis and Afghanis. Jesus was sent for Iranians and Ukrainians. All people! Jesus is God’s gift to the brothers in jail and the sisters in jeopardy. All people! The Lord left his royal courts on high to come for all those that you love, yes, but he also came for all those folk that you can’t stand”. – Jeremiah Wright

  • Two words…Ridiculous and Absurd. There are cultural differences between races that we can no longer ignore. The media slams Obama with the favorite 1 question: If you had heard it, would you have quit? As African Americans, we don’t attend church like we are going to work. The entire quitting church philosophy is ridiculous. I have been in the same church since birth. I and many of US have heard and have not agreed with the words of our leader. Do we quit? Ridiculous and Absurd! It is crazy that Obama has to defend his stance on what his former pastor stated. Why? He didn’t say it. Look in our own lives and see how many people we have affiliation with and we don’t necessarily agree with their stance of many issues. And again, how many churches have you been in that preached homosexuals are going to hell? How many of US have family members that are homosexual? Do you really believe that? Should the responsibility be yours to defend that statement if you ran for public office? What are the media really saying by these statements? Are you saying that NO ONE that attends this church can run for public office now? These are my opinions but I guess Obama has the responsibility to defend them NOW.

  • Archie Haase you make good points about the negative and hateful remarks made by many white conservative religious/political leaders. And life isn’t fair, the burden on a black man or woman in America is higher and when the individual is in the voting booth making a personal secretive choice…a white American will most likely judge less fairly for something like this. In spite of these examples you provided there is absolultely no excuse to support these hate filled remarks coming from this minister.

    Again, had Obama really wanted to make sure he didn’t want to be connected to this person, he should have created greater distance between himself and this man much earlier. He has used this minister as an example to tout his Audacity of Hope and expects us to want associate the good that comes with this…however he has now tied himself to the negativity with this minister. Republicans would have a field day with this …remember Willie Horton. It took the airing of this briefly to destroy the Dukakis campaign. This is far stronger material to work with…it’s offensive to all Americans, especially those middle of the road voters who are needed to win elections.

    This minister isn’t an “uncle” or relative that Obama has to live with. And all of the other examples you provided above weren’t used by any other candidate as the basis to their campaign. That’s why this matters and why Obama will start to sink in the polls from this day going forward. If you want to blame anyone, blame Obama and his campaign managers for not managing this well in advance.

  • Sure, Obama explained but he also made excuses , putting it at the sixties doorstep. Not everyone, leaders, ect. in that era feels and talks like this man. Take MLK’s philosopy for example. It’s good to live by today as it was then. Wright is 66, not exactly “old” as Obama would have it. Obama is not as young as some have been trying to drive into our minds. He’s, what 46, old enough to know better? In 20 years , he claims he didn’t know about these sermons. I don’t buy it. What does he tell his young daughters after church on Sunday? Listen to Michelle O. and think about Wright’s sermons.

  • Akire,

    MLK criticized the government, and whites, etc., as was his duty. He did not say God Damn America. There is a difference.

  • Huh? Where’s the beef? Other than than the Preachers “fire and brimstone” rhetoric the base of his accusations are true. Maybe because I’m a product of the 60’s I agree with many of the Preachers
    pronouncements and I’m white.
    As Democrats we fight for what is right and try as we might to fix the wrongs our people and country has done and continues to do here and around the world.
    The Preachers words may offend some people , tough titty. Words in themselves can’t express the death, destruction and mayhem we have bought to Iraq and other places around the world in our short history.

    It’s obvious Obama is of another mind and generation to address these ills with calm and thoughtful discourse unlike the preacher and I.

  • If Obama is too strong in his denunciation of Wright, he runs the risk of losing his African American support. Many African Americans believe the sort of thing Wright preaches. They also expect Obama to be loyal to his people and to his community. I do not believe many white Americans understand the kind of paranoid rumors that are common currency among African Americans — such as the AIDS and drug comments Wright made. These things are regarded as truth among African Americans. Obama has used Wright for legitimacy and to gain election as a state senator. If he turns his back on Wright now, there goes the rest of his career in Illinois and any fallback position he might have had should he lose the presidential nomination. He is between a rock and a hard place on this.

    I believe he sat through 20 years of this kind of sermon because he has spent his career giving lip service to similar black beliefs in order to be elected. These beliefs are off the radar of white voters. Yesterday I heard Randi Roades agreeing with callers who said that Wright is speaking truth. If Democrats who support Obama take that route, they will hasten the alienation of many white voters. I do not believe the nation is ready to address the chasm that exists between the white and black communities when it comes to things like whether the Katrina response was planned genocide. The OJ verdict was only one example of the rift in beliefs about how the world works. Obama is not talented enough to resolve this situation and he has mainly been just hoping it would be ignored. Issuing conciliatory statements and hoping this will go away is not going to help because people are asking important questions about his judgment. There is nothing wrong with his judgment — he has been trying to have things both ways and that cannot happen once light is shed on the racial divide in belief systems. He has spent his life choosing between his white and black heritage and chose to identify himself as an African American man. Now he is living with that choice. Tiger Woods chose not to abandon his Asian American mother and has suffered criticism among African Americans for that choice. It is unfair and part of the problems we have as Americans with race, but Obama isn’t going to heal the nation with his campaign and I think this will bring him down. As you all know, I don’t favor Obama, but this is not the reason I would see voters reject him.

  • #62 Robert, if all Americans were rational like you, then Obama will stand a chance to get over this. But that’s not the case. They are going to show every single piece of stupid speach the “reverend” said. There is an entire demographic that will be very concern (or scare) about Obama. He invited him to be a part of his campain as “spiritual advisor” WTF? What was he thinking?

  • Rev. wright expressed his opinions, which most of us, including senator Obama, do not approve of. Come on! Was Hillary accountable for Ferraro’s and Callejo’s opinion? Similarly, was Obama accountable for Samantha Power’s opinion? Why then should Obama be held accountable for Rev. Wright’s opinion? If people ought to be judged according to the behaviour of their leaders, friends, spouses, or relatives, then let’s start the judgement process:
    First, all democrats are adulterous, because their leader Bill Clinton is an adulterous. Second, Hillary is unfit for presidency because her husband proved to be unfit for the position through Monica Lewinsky affaire. Third, all residents of New York state, including Hillary, are adulterous, because their governor Spitzer has just proved to be one. Fourth, all republicans are liars, because their leader George Bush lied that Saddam had the weapons of mass destruction. Fifth, all Americans are aggressive, simply because their successive governments have always preferred the military approach to alternatives? Sixth, etc… Isn’t it silly to make such kind of inferences and generalisations? What does Obama have to do with Rev. Wright’s opinion? If a biological parent cannot be held accountable for his/her mature child’s behaviour, how illogical, grotesque, and biased it is to attempt making Obama accountable for Rev. Wright’s opinion? Not only is the enemy No.1 of the United States, Mr. Osama bin Laden, from Saudi Arabia, but also he is from that country’s royal family. Why have the American government not yet halted their diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia? Isn’t that the Saudi Arabia’s prince was received with all due honour in the United States after September 11? Do you still need to be told why? The answer lays in the fact that, in a democratic world, nobody is accountable for anybody else’s acts unless that somebody else is a dependent of that somebody. This begs the question as to whether Rev. Wright is Obama’s dependent. In short, Rev. Wright’s comments may be racist, but attempting to hold Obama accountable for them is even more racist.

  • Skevered Left…the “beef” is this. While you may think it’s OK to spout hatred because of your own personal beliefs…most of the voting public, those white Americans in the middle will not. The “beef” is that Obama will loose the election because of his association or his failure to disassociate himself with these wrong remarks. The “beef” is that you will be complaining on a discussion group when McCain provides at least another 4 years to the wasteful and wrong Iraq War. That’s the “beef”.

  • Say what you want about a candidate’s lack of control and, therefore, responsibility for any of the independent endorsements that he or she may receive, last night’s appearance of Obama on TV to clarify some questions about his association with that ranting maniac that calls himself a pastor left me with no doubt about this candidate’s obscure, dishonest and intentions and his deceiving, racist and anti-american character. I hope America wakes up and sees this Obama guy for what he really is: a bad performance not worth anyone’s time or vote. And by the way. Where are the usual supporters of every black hope? Speak up, Reverend Jessie Jackson! or is it that you’re jealous of Barak?

  • For some the assumption is that this is somehow going to vanish into thin air. There are 6 weeks of idle time for the media to dig through all of these tapes out there and pick them apart. If this was a one time rant it think it could be dismissed as some say the generation gap but this appears to be many instances of hate filled preaching.

    Noone can deny that this hurts Barack. All those right-wing preachers everyone keeps bringing up have nothing to do with this because everyone knows that they preach hate thats what is expected from the republicans. However it is not expected of democrats because we are supposed to be about hope and opportunity.

    What do you suppose Sen Kennedy and Sen Kerry think about this. Democrats are already accused of hating America and when one of our candidates spiritual advisors preach hate for America it hurts our party deeply. This isn’t about appearing on a TV interview with someone you disagree with.

  • He invited him to be a part of his campain as “spiritual advisor”

    No, he didn’t. As Steve notes in the post — seriously, am I the only one who actually reads the posts here? — Wright held a “largely ceremonial role on Obama’s African American Religious Leadership Committee.”

    That’s about as marginal a connection to the campaign as one can have.

  • Why does a candidate have an African American religious committee instead of just a religious committee?

  • Sweet post @ Akire…

    The bad new is that Obama’s campaign has to push back against both republicans and the Ferraros. God only knows what kind of a dirty dog those two will daughter together… The idea of a twin ticket: McCain and McClinton might be their best chance to deny the black fella his place in the sun. Anybody want to bet it gets seriously floated before this is over?

    The good news is the Obama campaign has learned to push back with much more alacrity and force. They hammered this quite well, and Barack’s little essay is brilliant.

    The best news it that the vast majority of Democrats will not abandon Barack because of what his pastor said. Who the fuck cares? Comeback Swan and a few other Hannity types? Crickey. Their remonstrations are of little consequence. Barack is the nominee. And he is going to win the presidency.

  • Until recently, these issues were not part of my decision making criteria for choosing a nominee. But now whith these comments and the one Michelle Oboma stated about this being the first time she was proud of her country makes me nervous. Look, WV has always been a largely Democratic state. We never get the oppertunity to choose a nominee. Oddly enough, in the last two presidential elections, WV has gone REPUBLICAN. No why? FEAR. In 2000 West Virginians thought the Gore was going to take away their guns. In 2004 people were afraid of terror. I fear anyone who Damns America. If WV would have voted Democrat in 2000, Fl would not have mattered. Gore would have won. I for one will eithre vote for Mc Cain, or not vote at all if Obama is the Democratic Nominee and am pretty sure that this will be the case inWV for the general election. Clinton is up signaficantly in WV right now. I believe again[unfortunately,} WV will go Republican.

  • Roland, you are very wrong with your opinions. The difference is that all of the past comments made by Hillary’s supporters or for that matter Obama’s supporters are extremely insignificant and unimportant to what this minister has stated. And Obama’s campaign is called the Audacity of Hope which was borrowed from the minister. There isn’t too much “hope” that can be found in this minister’s statements. Nor is there the “breaking of the old politics as usual” as Obama has spoken of. And most importantly, the big opportunity for a new tent or coalition of Republicans, Democrats and independents working together has been lost. Obama and his campaign have blown this.

  • I’m confused. Please help me decide whom to vote for.

    Barak Obama attended a church whose pastor says he hates white folks, Israel and the United States of America. I must, therefore, assume that Obama is likewise racist, anti-Semitic and unpatriotic, unworthy of my vote.

    John McCain once visited a church whose is pastor claims that God sent Hurricane Katrina to destroy New Orleans because the city was to host a Gay-rights rally. McCain’s staff, furthermore, is comprised largely of Washington lobbyists. I must, therefore, assume that McCain is a religious fanatic, a homophobe and a shady Washington insider, also unworthy of my vote.

    With Hillary Clinton there’s nothing to assume. Though the news media, for some reason, refuses to bring it up, she is married to arguably the most corrupt an unprincipled President in American history. And her own record, an open book, isn’t so bright, either.

    Recall their joint past: The Whitewater, cattle futures, Chinese connection, IRS-coercion, Travelgate, Pardongate scandals; the Fellatio trysts in the White House, the using of Marines as waiters, the violent-death body count, Bill’s impeachment and near conviction, and all the rest.

    I, therefore, cannot cast my vote for Hillary and Bill Clinton. (Her de facto Co-President running mate)

    Any advice from anyone smarter, wiser and better informed than myself would be greatly appreciated.

    Carlos Navarro
    Davidson, NC

  • Robert, if all Americans were rational like you, then Obama will stand a chance to get over this. But that’s not the case. They are going to show every single piece of stupid speach the “reverend” said.

    Absolutely. They’re going to run ads on this for sure. That’s what Republicans do.

    But that doesn’t mean we have to roll over. That doesn’t mean we should run away. That doesn’t mean we should let them dictate the terms of the debate, and make this presidential campaign a pissing contest about who loves America more with their flag pins, rather than making an aggressive progressive argument for the economy, the war, and civil liberties at home.

    Giving up now and giving in to this kind of bullshit later only encourages the Republicans to try more bullshit like that against us in the future, and meanwhile, makes us look like we have no convictions before the voters at large.

    Obama is already aggressively counterpunching on this one. And as we’ve seen with all the past so-called “scandals” around his campaign, he can push these smears off with skill and ease. He’s got six weeks to obliterate this nonsense and change the topic, and if you don’t think he can do that, you haven’t been paying attention.

    So enough with the panic. Enough with the hand-wringing. And, for God’;s sake, enough with letting the Karl Roves of the world dictate what we talk about and what we focus on.

  • Democrats are already accused of hating America and when one of our candidates spiritual advisors preach hate for America it hurts our party deeply. …

    If Cumback Bill wants to be a pussy and have us turn away from a strong candidate because he’s afraid of the Republicans, then that’s his right. On the other hand, I think we have an opportunity to show these plutocrats that American isn’t going to fall for their bullying and misdirection tactics anymore.

  • I am a pastor and sometimes make statements to challenge members of my congregation. I don’t hold them personally responsible for every word I have ever said. By that test, only people who have never set foot in a church would be eligible to run for president.

    Pastors sometimes lose their sense of judgment in the final years before retirement, and I am sure that in his prime Pastor Wright knew how to push the envelope without going over the top. Certainly he needs to retire because of his statement “God damn America.” No pastor should ever damn anyone, let alone whole nations, not even enemy states. Nations damn themselves, and with the hypocritical gotcha ethics and guilt-by-association flourishing at this time, it very well could be that America is damning itself. Well, I better stop there or I might have to retire, too.

  • Black people should be pissed off. Just a look at a national legendary TV show “Law and Order” demonstrates why

    In the 17th year, the very fine African American actor Jesse L. Martin finally gets the part as the lead detective after a full seven years as a junior detective to two white senior detectives, “Lenny Briscoe” (Jerry Orbach) and “Joe Fontana” (Dennis Farina). Finally, Jesse gets the part, for which he is excellent with his female junior detective, Malina Govich. So what do they do the second year of Jesse’s lead? They bring in one younger hotter white guy to balance the “blackness”.

    And it still amazes me that after the first three years with the estute Paul Robbinette (“Richard Brooks”) as the ADA, L&O has never moved from the dumbass formula of playing a doe-eyed white woman against the very arrogant and very white, “Jack McCoy” (Sam Waterson).

    If I were black, the stereotypes perpetuated through L&O and many other shows, reality or not, would make me scream “God DAMN America!” everyday I walked in this country. As an old white woman I want to scream it too.

    fwiw: I was raised Southern Baptist. in the 16 some years I attended this little church my parents help start, we had one pastor who flipped out and beat his wife in the head with a hammer. Another one got picked up for trolling co-eds at the local Christian community college, and finally (and I’ll never forget this as long as I live) during a summer revival once, a member of our fellowship brought an Indian friend with him to the sermon. The pastor saw him there and in the middle of the sermon, promptly stopped preaching and ask the man to leave because of his skin color. (This was the 60s)

    Sometimes even Christians disappoint. Suggested reading: Erskine Caldwells “Deep South: Memories and Observations”

    “The author’s anecdotes, memories, interviews, and observations offer a portrayal of the religious life of the South and how southern protestantism fared during the social upheaval of the mid-1960s”

    To “Turner”: your hysteria is scarier.
    To the Brit: o please STFU. This is between US! BBC.com doesn’t have a blog?
    To “Greg”: take a powder, Son. Or even better, why doncha go down to your local Hillary Headquarters and lick envelopes. Maybe she’ll lose by a smaller margin with your help.
    And “Mary”: where’s the next bra-burning?

  • The one thing Obama hasn’t done is explain his judgment for joining Pastor Wright’s church in the first place, by choice (he wasn’t raised with a religious background by either his mother, father, or step-father), and staying in as a member of that congregation for 20 years. Considering what Wright has said during his tenure, what Obama is trying to portray himself as just isn’t believable.

  • “In this sense, I don’t think it’s hypocritical at all to criticize John McCain for his embrace of right-wing religious extremists (Falwell, Hagee, and Parsley, among others), while defending Obama from conservative attacks about Wright. The different is in the response — McCain went out of his way to reach out to radical religious figures, rationalize their hate-filled rhetoric, and use his associations for political gain. All available evidence suggests Obama has done the polar opposite.”

    You are so full of it. Don’t get me wrong I hate the Republicans but McCain reached out to the right for ONE political season. Obama can’t claim he was oblivious of Wright’s beliefs when he named his book after one of WRIGHTS sermons. 20 years and Obama’s supposed to be that stupid? If it had never come up, Wright would be an honored guest at the white house for the next 8 years. B.S.

  • Oh please with the “Obama is unelectable” crap. The Clintons are scandal mongers and they’re sending up all sorts of red flags about things that WILL come up in the general election – Where are they getting their money? Where are the tax returns? Where are those white house records? Why is Bill’s presidential library funded by the Saudi royal family? Bill has made a lot of money from shady business deals and providing “consulting” services to dictators. McCain is against earmarks, while Hillary has obtained over 2.2 BILLION in earmarks for fundraisers, the contributors to her husband’s library, and other “friends” since becoming a senator.

    The republicans will need several dump trucks to unload all the scandals they have dug up about the Clintons – and the examples I’ve provided haven’t even touched on Monica-gate and impeachment.

    The Clintons will be a general election disaster. It is unbelievable that democrats are actually considering the candidacy of the wife of the last president to be IMPEACHED in this country, and their post-white house activities indicate that the Clintons are far from innocent.

    All the republicans have on Obama is Rezko and Wright. Rezko is pretty weak and Wright made the inflammatory comments, not Obama. I’m not saying that the republicans aren’t going to play the Wright issue for everything it’s worth, but if you’re going to compare the Clinton scandals and Obama’s “scandals” side by side, Obama stands a much better chance of being elected than Hillary ever will.

    Don’t forget that McCain is no angel, has crazy ministers endorsing him as well, and McCain has wrapped himself in the Bush doctrine. If Obama can be skewered for everything that Wright says, Bush/Hagee is certainly an albatross around McCain’s neck. It’s all in how Obama handles it, and so far he’s doing a good job.

    Not to mention the fact that if Hillary wins, we are guaranteed 4 to 8 more years of gridlock and possibly the loss of congress by 2010, whereas with Obama, there is hope of expanding the democratic majority.

  • In his 1993 memoir “Dreams from My Father,” Obama recounts in vivid detail his first meeting with Wright in 1985. The pastor warned the community activist that getting involved with Trinity might turn off other black clergy because of the churchs radical reputation.

    yet we are to believe that Obama didn’t know for twenty years why it had that radical reputation?

    he joined a political church deliberately but now doesn’t want to be held accountable for that decision.

    I don’t buy it and neither will a lot of other people.

  • How can Senator Obama unite this country when he has been an active member for 20 years of a Church that is so divisive. He said he will bring together white and black and brown people yet he CHOOSES to be a member of a Black separtist church. You can tell Michelle Obama has been listening to Reverand Wright’s speeches from her statement that this is the first time in her adult life she has been proud of her country. I think Obama lied when he said he has not heard these statements before and I think he used extremely poor judgment in having Reverand Wright as a member of his campaign.

  • Well, Carlos, Bill Clinton had over a 60% approval rating when he left the White House despite all of your over biased and wildly incorrect accusations. The issue isn’t Bill or Hillary Clinton or McCain.

    It’s Obama who has presented himself as a very likable individual with a tent that included all Americans, white, black, latino, liberal, conservative and those in the middle. He has also presented himself as a hard worker, in the south side of Chicago, through the Il legislature (voting presence on many occasion) and now as a 1 1/2 year senator with barely any record to his name. He’s squeeky clean…but now we learn his Audacity of Hope campaign which is based on this minister’s preaching…is really the Audacity of Hatred. I’m sure it bugs you that he will now actually have to face the media with real questions.

  • The media has failed to do their job in vetting Barrack H. Obama, (BHO) because he was considered “Black” However, if his color and his pastors were reversed (BHO), as a White College Graduate with no national management experience would have never made it to the first primary.

    This pastor is a hate monger and was the BHO pastor for about 20 years with BHO donating over $22,000 dollars to his ministry. Today’s media is still trying to justify 20 years of teaching hate by saying BHO wasn’t there, didn’t know, and it doesn’t matter now because his pastor retired. Why didn’t the media research and expose this problem before qualified democratic candidates were forced to drop out of their campaign for President?

  • In and of themselves what Pastor Wright said is not very bad in my view. He was NOT preaching hate. He was NOT preaching violence. He was NOT preaching bombing some culture out of existance. In point of fact the preponderance of what he said was the TRUTH.

    What bothers people is that he spoke with vigor and emotion and on a Utube clip you can actually SEE it. You can see it is BLACK vigor and emotion….and the horror for most people is just that. They find problems with the blackness coupled with vigor and emotion speaking truth that is not complementary to western so called civilization.

  • ‘perl’ in post #3

    I’m waiting in anticipation to see YOUR list on the connection of each right-wing clergy associated with McCain… Make sure to spell them out in a similar fashion, and for sufficient back ground information, you may want to link to the ridiculous statements made by them and McCain’s non-denouncements announcements.

  • He is so proud for having the best judgment among the nominees. I think i have better judgment than him since i left this church at day 1. I should run for president. are there anymore skeletons on his closet that we need to know. We are selecting the president of USA! I need the facts! dig on his past people. He does not have the experience so we have to judge him by his character. so far not very good. he just lied yesterday by saying he did not hear those statements for 20 years being on this church. give me a break. try harder and make it believable.

  • The fact of the matter is there is no way the Dems should be expected to saddled with a candidate who’s pastor and campaign advisor damned America.

    Just no fucking way.

  • Half the diaries on DailyKos are twice as poisonous as anything Wright said.

    Does that mean any politician who has posted on Daily Kos is unfit to be president?

    I also find it interesting that Obama has written two books, participated in more than twenty debates, given hundreds of public speeches, thousands of interviews, and in all of that verbiage, which is a matter of public record, there’s not a single sentence in which sentiments anything like those expressed by Wright are endorsed.

    Yet all these freaks show up here and start claiming that what Wright believes, Obama believes.

    You’re all just as paranoid and hate-filled as the reverend you claim to despise.

  • tr, surely you are talking about obama and his preacher. you call me a f….. racist?
    this whole conversation is the racist nature of obama and his preacher of 20 yrs.
    are you so ignorant as to what the topic in here is ? it’s not about me, it about obama and his racist preacher. how do you know i’m racist by the way, you don’t even know me. you just want to plug a leaking dam with your finger and using me to flatter yourself…good try loser.

  • we learn his Audacity of Hope campaign which is based on this minister’s preaching…is really the Audacity of Hatred…

    We also earn that Tim believes in guilt by association. Not only are we to be held accountable for our own actions, but according to this guy, we should also be held accountable for the actions of our friends and the people we love.

  • cal @ 14

    “Give me a brake why why why do we even want to consider a man of his background for president of us. Are we sick as a nation or what?”

    You are absolutely right! It would be very sick indeed if, as a nation we elected McCain to be President.

  • I have student loans to repay when I finish school in the fall
    I DO NOT CARE ABOUT Obama’s pastor or what he said 5, 10, 15 years ago.
    I want HELP repaying my loans and I will vote for the person whom is going to HELP me ane Other struggleing YOUNG, YES YOUNG People.

  • @ 74 Mary wrote:

    Why does a candidate have an African American religious committee instead of just a religious committee?

    To piss bigots like you and Sean Hannity off?

    By the way, your post at 67 is extraordinarily insightful. I am hoping you are a Democrat, because if so, that is as pure a look as one can get at what goes on in the minds of Ferraro democrats.
    Thank you for that! It is a classic. By the way: you are a dinosaur, and I am enjoying the spectacle you are making of your extinction. It becomes you.

    Just Me:

    The fact of the matter is there is no way the Dems should be expected to saddled with a candidate who’s pastor and campaign advisor damned America.
    Just no fucking way.

    You think faux moral outrage can steal this election?
    Good luck Oriville….
    Suggestion: Try caps and bold.

  • how do you know i’m racist by the way, you don’t even know me.

    When someone says the election of an African American to the presidency will turn the White House into a “ghetto” by his presence and will cause blacks to riot across the country, and complains about how blacks are “in his face” and uppity and all that, then that person is a racist.

    If the white sheet fits, wear it.

  • I have been very impressed with Obama’s intelligence, candor, and message. I thought he provided a credible explanation of the complex generational differences that created these sermons and the need to rise above the past. What fell flat for me however, was seeing his smiling, relaxed face saying a bald face lie. It stunned me. I can’t accept or believe that he has never heard sermons of this type from Rev. Wright. How can someone be your personal spiritual mentor but you’ve never seen this side of him before? For me it’s not about Rev. Wright’s inflamnatory rhetoric, since he’s just one of tens of thousands of hate spewing “preachers”. It’s about Obama’s credibility, honesty and judgement. How can he claim to be oblivious to this side of Rev. Wright?

  • For all the whiners saying there were far too many inflammatory sermons… Do you have an exact number of inflammatory comments and videos / DVD’s for sale?

    Given that this guy has been doing sermons for close to 30 years, and if you consider there are 52 weeks in a year, and giving maybe 2 sermons a week. that starts adding up to a whole bunch… I bet that the percentage will show to be rather small.

    Besides…. I don’t like the rhetoric either… but before Obama ran for President, nobody in America, other than the local congregation heard those comments. That can not be said about the Fallwell’s, Hagee’s and other ilk, broadcasting their hate-mongering on TV

    Ever thought about it that way?

  • ahhh. commmm onnnn YOU GUYS, WHAT NONSENSE. I’M A WHITE OLDER FEMALE AND THINK PART OF WHAT THE PASTOR SAYS IS ACCURATE…..MY MINISTER SAYS LOTS OF THINGS I DON’T AGREE WITH, BUT HE ALSO SAYS LOTS OF THINGS I DO AGREE WITH. GIVE IT UP…..THERE ARE ALOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS COUNTRY WE NEED TO FOCUS ON AND IT’S NOT OBAMA’S PASTOR…………………..MOVE ON.

  • Yes turner, this is racist:

    “if you think blacks have an attitude now, you haven’t seen anything yet. just wait till they have one of their own in the white house running the country. if you think they get in your face now, just wait.” – turner

    One man’s deplorable remarks don’t warrant a paranoid condemnation of everyone with a certain skin color, as you have here.

  • This is all nothing more than a nasty, ugly smear campaign designed to make white people FEAR a black president. Where did all of this start? Rush “magical negro” Limbaugh. No one should have any doubt that this IS the GOP Right-Wing Smear Machine in action– they are now saying this is proof that the Obamas secretly HATE AMERICA and that black Americans hate white people.

    If Obama somehow gets taken out over this then we will see the exact same sort of crap suggested about Hillary– only the focus will be on how SCARY it would be to have an irrational woman in the White House.

    This is all they have, folks– this is about spreading FEAR. They want people to FEAR Obama. They want people to FEAR having any Democrat in the White House because dems HATE AMERICA.

    If we can’t stand up and fight back against this demagogery then we will lose– and it will have NO ONE TO BLAME BUT OURSELVES.

  • how do you know i’m racist by the way, you don’t even know me.

    Um … because you say crazy racist shit? And racists tend to be the ones who say that stuff?

    Hope that helps clear things up for you.

  • And, since we are now in the game of associating political candidates with religious figures, let us not forget that Senator McCain went out of his way to seek the endorsements right-wing religious extremists such as Falwell, Hagee, and Parsley, among others. Go and look up some of these men’s more inflammatory comments, and ask yourself, by not distancing himself from these men, or openly outright condemning their more disdainful statements, does this mean that McCain also believes what they believe? Of course not! McCain is his own person, with his own beliefs, and he does not absorb others beliefs simply through osmosis. And neither does Obama. So, can we stop playing this silly game now? Or do I need to come back and post some of the more inflammatory comments that have been made by people, friends associated with both McCain and Clinton? Hmmmm?I can dream up plenty of fun commercials with McCain performing civic duties while some of Falwell’s more colorful speeches are played in the background. Does the right really want to take us there, because the left can and will fight back in equal measure. The stakes are simply too high this time.

  • Really, Steve? You want to go on the record with a “shrug” on this matter? Hm. Well, I am a Hillary supporter who would’ve voted for Barack if he got the nomination instead. Not anymore.

    This is not some casual surrogate or supporter. It’s the man Barack called his “spiritual mentor.” So many things about his disavowal of Wright don’t pass the smell test. That’s plain to most people — but not to diehard Obama supporters, yet. They’re (you’re?) in denial.

    Looking for the next poll to come out after this… Expect a tiny dip in Obama’s numbers (like, say, 20%?).

  • This conversation isn’t about whether Obama believes Wright’s preaching. It is about what Obama has tolerated and used in order to further his campaign.

    I complained here when Obama put a hate-monger Donnie McClurkin on stage at his rallies. No one cared about that much because it only affected gays. Now, Obama has been using a different kind of hate-monger Jeremiah Wright because it gave him support among African American constituents.

    I don’t believe for a minute that Obama believes what Wright believes. I don’t believe Obama is even particularly religious (if he were he would most likely have chosen a different church to attend). I do believe he tries to appeal to as broad a number of people as possible, by being all things to all people. Now he is finding out that he cannot be both black and white when it comes to explicit remarks. If he had run as a human being he wouldn’t be in this situation, but he chose to run as an African American candidate and he has allied himself with an explicitly racist church in order gain the support of its members. He deserves the consequences of that choice. I do not blame him for Wright’s extremity, nor for the white reactions to it, but I do blame him for trying to enfold incompatible positions into his campaign without making it clear what his own position is (to the groups to whom that matters most). When you try to be whatever you think people what you to be, and people compare notes about the inconsistencies (as is inevitable with today’s media), you will wind up being nothing to anyone.

    It is about time people started asking who Barack Obama really is, instead of focusing so single-mindedly on who they want him to be.

  • Democrats, by and large, are racists. This includes white dems and black dems.

    Yeah, Barack should definitely be able to solve such a complicated and longstanding issue like, for example, race in America, right? After all, he’s got the best background. Let’s see–20 years of listening to a hate mongerer who he considers a very close and personal friend. . . Yep, that’ll do the trick. As long as you racist whites get on the bandwagon and vote for him. Because if you don’t, everyone will know that it confirms that you’re a racist!

  • Peg Welch (#104): THERE ARE ALOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS COUNTRY WE NEED TO FOCUS ON AND IT’S NOT OBAMA’S PASTOR…………………..MOVE ON. She’s right. It’s not about Obama’s pastor. It is, however, about Obama’s judgment over the last 20 years. It sucks.

  • This is not some casual surrogate or supporter. It’s the man Barack called his “spiritual mentor.”

    Right. Spiritual mentor. Which means he helped him with scriptural and religious issues.

    If Obama had said Wright was his adviser on social issues or political matters or economic policy, then maybe his comments on society and politics and economics would be valid.

  • On March 15th, 2008 at 11:35 am, Katie said:
    “We also earn that Tim believes in guilt by association. Not only are we to be held accountable for our own actions, but according to this guy, we should also be held accountable for the actions of our friends and the people we love.”

    Katie perhaps you can repost in a few days when the general public has had a chance to make and form their own opinions. You will start to see the undoing of poor Mr. Perfect Obama. Unfortunately life isn’t fair and we don’t live in la-la land…people do make opinions of individuals and who they associate with. Especially politicians including Obama. If he had a past relationship with Hitler, or the unibomber or Jerry Falwell, or someone that advocates hatred toward others, yes, Katie that would be a problem for me and for that matter most Americans. And Obama did base his Audacity of Hope on this indidual… he (Mr. Obama) tied himself to Mr. Wrong Reverand Wright. He now needs to live with the consequences whether you personally like it or not…it’s irrelevant. It’s the nature of people Katie. For example Katie, if you had a brother who murdered a great many of individuals, although you still loved him…most likely people would be judgemental about you and your family. I’m glad you like Senator Obama…but unfortunately this mud will stick. And all the whining and hoping and wishful thinking by his supporters won’t help.

  • Why is everyone upset because the press hi-lite some of the things he said can anyone dispute 400 years of slavery, the goverment experiment on black men, black people being very very poor and living in slums.
    Every on latch on to only part of the speack why not dispute the whole thing by proving every one of his issues are wrong

  • All of you Obama haters that are swooning over this news story, please, stop being sheep, take a deep breath, and read this comment Obama made on MSNBC last night: ” [O]ne thing that I do hope to do is to use some of these issues to talk more fully about the question of race in our society, because part of what we`re seeing here is Reverend Wright represents a generation that came of age in the 60s. “He`s an African-American man, who, you know, because of his life experience continues to have a lot of anger and frustration, and will express that in ways that are very different from me and my generation, partly because I benefited from the struggles of that early generation. And so, part of what we`re seeing here is a transition from the past to the future. And I hope that our politics represents the future.”People, you need to stop behaving as though Obama actually believes in or agrees with Wright’s inflammatory statements. I know some of you just outright hate Obama, and are just looking for any excuse to hate him even more. But, if you are of the belief that Obama’s beliefs exactly parallel reverend Wright’s, you are deluding yourself. And again, I would challenge any of you to produce even just one single piece of factual evidence, either in his words or deeds, that proves the claim that Obama’s beliefs are directly in accordance with pastor Wright’s inflammatory statements. None of you will be able to. Know why? Because it simply is not true.

  • New rule: all white people who have friends or family members who are racist or regularly use the word ‘n****r’ are ineligible to run for president.

    Just enforcing the same high standard people have discovered needs to be applied to Obama, with the color-line reversed.

  • Mary, your standard Clinton talking points are noted.

    There is a tremendous amount of literature about Obama’s platform and his specific approach to policy and ideology. He has even written a book on the latter subject.

    If you have questions about Senator Obama, I suggest you begin researching yourself and stop blaming your own lack of knowledge on others.

  • If he had run as a human being he wouldn’t be in this situation, but he chose to run as an African American candidate and he has allied himself with an explicitly racist church in order gain the support of its members.

    He didn’t run as a human being? WTF?

    He’s done nothing but downplay and dismiss the idea of his being the “African American candidate,” Mary. This is a pathetic stretch, even for you.

    That other commenter was dead-on. You’re a dinosaur, and the sooner you lumber off the political stage, the better for all of us.

    Take Turner with you.

  • By the way, Turner, keep talking because you are a living, breathing example to all of us of what the Right-Wing Smear Machine is trying to do with the Wright story– to vigorously stoke your not-so-latent racist fears of black people in power.

  • Justonevote …I am in total agreement with your posting. Obama knew way before last year about these hateful comments and he lied to us during his interview on CNN.

  • So the Clinton campaign has finally come around to the politics of hope: hope that they can keep this non-story alive. They certainly are trying their damnedest. The baloney righteous indignation here is truly something to behold.

  • You can’t pretend that Wright represents everyone in their 60’s or that he was typical of people who came of age during the 1960’s. That isn’t true. Further, even if he did come of age in the 1960’s should we expect that he would not change since then?

    There is an ongoing problem discussed in academic and non-academic circles that includes winking at inaccuracies held by African Americans, including some scholars, about history and race. Afrocentrism is one example, with its statements about the role of Africans in Greek culture and its wrong statements about African culture (such as that African Americans are more expressive or value family more than whites). When I say that these beliefs are wrong, I do so because they are directly contradicted by evidence. The legacy of racism has made white people squeamish about contradicting wrong African American beliefs, but “humoring” those beliefs is as paternalistic as any other wrong over past centuries.

    When Wright preaches that blacks were deliberately given drugs in order to keep them down and that prisons were built to enslave black people and similar entirely familiar but demonstrably wrong garbage, he is not just preaching hatred but also ignorance. Permitting African Americans to remain ignorant because it boosts their self-esteem to believe garbage is a perpetuation of paternalistic wrong.

    Those of you who are quick to call people racist in this comments section because they are expressing concerns about Obama should understand something. You don’t change people’s minds about a candidate by insulting them. You don’t change people’s minds by refuting a single factual point or by out-debating them online. You change people’s minds by taking their concerns seriously, by listening to them, and by addressing them — not to put them down. The aggressiveness of Obama’s supporters on the blogs may drive away dissenting voices, but it doesn’t ally concerns. If Democrats start calling everyone who dislikes Obama racist, they will do much more to weaken the party than they imagine Clinton has done.

    A decision involves a bunch of factors, not just one. It is generally wholistic and involves forming an overall picture of a candidate as a person. This is an important piece of that picture for many people and I suggest that Obama supporters take that seriously and stop berating people here.

  • 29. TR said: Wow, a lot of brand new concern trolls here today. Did they bus some in from Hillaryis44.org?

    They know Hillary can’t win without destroying Obama in the process. The Rezko shit hasn’t worked, so this is their last gasp chance at tearing him down and they’re spreading all over the internet with a renewed sense of hope trying to speed the process along. I don’t know all these new people but I have seen enough of Mary and Greg to know they would be lecturing us about how negative and mean-spirited we are for being critical if Wright was the Clinton’s pastor. They excuse far worse from Penn, Ickes and Wolfson, and those clowns are still on Hillary’s payroll

  • By the way, is anyone else glad that this is happening now? This is one of the benefits of having a long primary season because Obama will finally get the vetting that he so desperately needs. That being said, if this is the worst thing that people can say about him then he’s doing pretty well.

    Also, we now know exactly what attack to anticipate from the GOP if Obama gets the nomination– that he is secretly a SCARY black man who HATES America and white people. Are we really going to stand for this? Are we really going to let the people who are spreading this racist tripe call us racists?

  • TR, stop licking your own asshole. Just remember, “If it tastes like shit, it probably is shit.” Now then, everyone knows you’re a racist and anti-American like Barack, so you should probably check yourself in to a clinic. Hurry. Before it’s too late and the damage is permanent.

    To everyone else: Barack Obama hates white people and Jews. It’s a clear fact, and this disqualifies him for the highest public office in the country. A vote for Barack is a vote for hate. Is that the “change” he’s been talking about?

  • On TR #73. ” Wright held a “largely ceremonial role on Obama’s African American Religious Leadership Committee. That’s about as marginal a connection to the campaign as one can have.”

    That’s splitting hairs. I can even say that it is much worse inviting him to play a “ceremonial” role. Like the one of a venerable elder figure.

    What would you say if McCain invited the late rev. Falwell to a largely ceremonial role on his campaign? You will rightly considered it as a gift to rev. Falwell homophobic views. Just be honest a called it what it was, a mistake, a lapse of judgment and move on.

    Obama is behind the news on this one. Condemning the views but not the man. He is a nice guy apart from his racist and antiamerican views. Please hire a second rate PR person and would do better than that.

  • Klaus, what you fail to appreciate is that I do not believe what Obama has written about himself, from his books to his campaign statements. I look at congruence between actions and statements. Words are self-serving and they mean nothing at all when it comes to what Obama would do if elected. I learned that lesson with Bush, who said lots of things while running in 2000 and then turned out to be entirely different. If you want to provide other sorts of evidence in support of Obama, I will listen, but I won’t waste my time reading his campaign literature.

  • New flash: many African-Americans are not “proud” of America. If you don’t understand why such a feeling might be justified, then you’ve got you heads up your asses.

    If we refuse to support an intelligent and moral black man because he associates himself with a person who maintains his understandable anger about our country’s historical and current racism, then we’re just reinforcing this Rev. Wright’s beliefs and adding insult to injury.

  • Let’s stop making excuses for Obama, he is a member of a church that promotes hate … Obama had the highest praise and regard for his pastor or as he has said spiritual advisor. Now when the truths of his family church are known and broadcast around the world he throws the Pastor under the bus? Talk about flip flopping even before your in the white house. ( talk about NO INTEGRITY ) Here are the Facts … Obama is a member of a church for close to 20 yrs. that feels and proclaims hate towards America period. I believe in freedom of speech & freedom of religion, but to bash America, bash Americans and blame our country for the hate crimes of 911 coming from your spiritual advisor and then proclaim ” I never heard these things from my pastor? ” I am not buying it.
    Yes, these are just parts of a sermon shown on T.V.some may say. I say YIKES don’t even want to know the rest of the garbage that was put in Obama’s head in this Church or in private meetings they may have had.

  • Barack Obama hates white people and Jews. It’s a clear fact…

    It’s a clear fact that John Doey is an ignoramus who speaks on behalf of ignoramuses.

  • So lets see that in the last two days we have two specific incidences of the people Senator Obama has been hanging around with over the last 20 years or so:

    ONE is his admitted mentor, confidant and pastor – simply put a pure racist under the guize of a Christian. I don’t think you can have both at the same time really. No wonder the campaign is based around race, it is all the guy has learned about in the last 20 years from his great mentor.

    TWO is some creep in Chicago who of course, asked and got favors for Senator Obama. Although he claims not – who then helped Senator Obama get the $300K off the purchase of the house – ya know – the one next to Rezko?????

    So there is some judgment here – it is just that it is and was BAD judgment! This fella isn’t what he cracks up to be (no pun intended given his past cocaine use).

    So claims of Christian and of course and implied living a Christian life are only words….and of course, we should all believe him when he says Rezko got no favors……..and of course we should believe him when he says he will – what? Can’t believe this guy at all or his claim of good judgment. Senator Obama shows that he has POOR judgment and really – we need someone in the White House with better judgment than this!

  • Obama was overheard and caught on tape in Baltimore in 1993 saying, “Fuck the white man.” Does this sound like a person who doesn’t hold racially devisive views??? This will probably make the news soon….

  • If Dems don’t join together and stand up against this– regardless of whether or not they support Obama– then we’re in for a very long, ugly year. Hillary suppoters need to realize that if she gets the nomination that the same kind of tactics are going to be used against her– that she’s secretly a man-hating, irrational FEMINIST who wants to be in charge so that she can stomp all over men. (Does she have any ties to controversial feminist thinkers? That will be used against her to paint her as an SCARY America-hating FEMINAZI woman.)

    This is the same old politics of fear that the GOP always uses. Can we at least acknowledge that is what this is? We can’t let it divide us.

  • You don’t change people’s minds about a candidate by insulting them.

    “Mary” please! I know this very difficult for you to see but you’re practically the most condescending fart here.

    “Debbie”: one may wonder which pastor put such crap your head?

    “Anne Wolf”: Really Bad Judgment = Hillary’s vote for the Iraq War.

    “BeverlyH”: rrrright.

  • Turner# 39, I also liked your diaries
    Entheo# 52 nice list

    Thanks for the links, Steve. After being agitated by the comments about the unelectability and demise of Obama because of Wright, I started surfing nested links trying to get a take on the Rev and his relationship to Obama. Although I will continue to search, after reading some articles and watching some videos, here are some preliminary conclusions offered only because I feel this could BE big trouble for Obama(a nation intellectually nurtured by sound bytes is easily misled):

    1. Obama was attracted to TUCC because of the Rev’s oratorical style and more importantly because TUCC was an organization getting real positive results in the hood and thats what Obama was looking for also. Im going to spend more time at TUCC website.

    2. With his secular upbringing, white mother, and education, it is highly unlikely that he would turn the WH into a ghetto, favor blacks over whites, or start speaking in tongues. Obama is much younger than the Rev and can still be moved by circumstance. The white support he has received contradicts the Rev’s more extreme positions and cannot go unnoticed by Obama. Obama, I believe, can be taken at his word just as the Rev can. What Obama is about, by its nature, cant involve deceit. More than anything, that may be what scares the establishment. Certainly that type of leadership presents its own dangers, but Obama is not a gas damaged, xenophobic misfit. Without his successes within the system, among other reasons for sure, he would not be where he is today.

    Those who support Obama must work to be knowledgeable on this subject, if he is to weather what will most assuredly become a storm.

  • TR, stop licking your own asshole. Just remember, “If it tastes like shit, it probably is shit.” Now then, everyone knows you’re a racist and anti-American like Barack, so you should probably check yourself in to a clinic. Hurry. Before it’s too late and the damage is permanent.

    To everyone else: Barack Obama hates white people and Jews. It’s a clear fact, and this disqualifies him for the highest public office in the country. A vote for Barack is a vote for hate. Is that the “change” he’s been talking about?

    As someone with his head firmly wedged up his own ass, I’m sure you know all too well what your own shit tastes like, John.

    Take a good look at John’s comments, folks, and Turner’s too. These are the people who are concerned about this non-issue. Do you really want to validate their world view? Really?

  • I’m a well educated white woman, over 55, and a Protestant Christian, who is watching this presidential race with great interest. I switch between news channels to get the latest spin on everything the candidates or their surrogates say. You would think that I would be a Clinton supporter, based on my demographics. However, what I see in Obama is a candidate who sees real hope in this country, in spite of the failings of the current administration. Senator Obama has made mistakes, which he is willing to admit. Have the other candidates been so forthright? He has said or done nothing to lead me to believe that he is other than a caring human being who loves this country. I believe him to be intelligent enough to “pick and choose” which statements made by his former pastor will guide his life. I also see him to be a forgiving man, who is doing his best to keep this campaign out of the gutter. We keep hearing the same clips from Pastor Wright’s sermons, which I agree make me uncomfortable, but what about all of the other sermons he has given? My guess is that Sen. Obama and his family would not have stayed with this church unless God’s love and forgiveness were shared with the congregation on a regular basis. Yes, Pastor Wright’s words were offensive in the clips, but unfortunately there was a lot of truth in them. Unless we walk in someone’s shoes, we cannot know what is truly in that individual’s heart. I have to admit I am much more uncomfortable listening to some of the white ultraconservative preachers spewing disgust and hatred for those who do not share their narrow-minded views. When I hear the Obama’s speak, I do not hear discrimination but a calm desire to bring this country together. I hear people who are intelligent, wise, and caring – characteristics that our country needs at this time. Do I see race? Absolutely not!

  • If anyone wants the transcript of Barack and his comment, “Fuck the white man” that he made in 1993, I have it and can email it to you, provided that you’re not a media person. (I’ve been told that the media will recieve their copy of the transcript on Monday or Tuesday).

    Anyway, vote for the Hill because she’s not mired in this racial muck we’ve been hearing so much about.
    Take care.

  • BeverlyH– really? where on earth have you heard this? Care to acknowledge a source?

  • beverlyh You prbally say someone too none of us are perfect but none of us are responsable for what others say or do.
    My pastor was convicted of rape for having sex with a 12 year old I HAVE BEEN GOING THE THE SAME CHURCH FOR 25+ YEARS Should I be condemed or be held accoutable for his actions.

  • SO WHAT!!!!! You cannot explain in any way or fashion how Obama would not have had prior knowledge AFTER 20 YEARS regarding HIS pastor AND advisor.

    Facts are FINALLY to come out about this vaporous lip service master who is little more than a media creation. Look at his home state record that is in the midst of their largest deficit in history. Look at his comments regarding NAFTA (lies).

    People, wise up!!!!

  • Obama could have avoided all of this controversy if he didn’t feel the need to keep bringing up his faith all the time. But as far as I’m concerned, if you are going to campaign on how important your faith is to you then your faith is fair game for criticism. The country doesn’t need a person of faith right now, it needs someone with good ideas about how to get us out of the mess that Bush has created. Stop using your religion to get votes and it won’t come back to bite you in the ass.

  • I am a Democrat, and for Hillary.
    What I would like to know is, how in the world did Kennedy and his posse back such a racist, instead of Hillary? They had to have known about this all along. Even Howard Dean had to have known. I feel their judgement needs to be questioned too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • BEVERLYH, Stop you can only push people so for before they push back.
    You can suggest I vote for an individual but I know as well as you do most people already made up their mines and none of this will change it. Next week they will be a new, different or better scandle.

  • TR, glad you responded to the comment I made about you eating shit. Funny thing that you did deny how racist you are. I’m African American, by the way. Bet you want me to go back to work on the plantation, right? What a bigot you must be…

    Vote for Clinton in November, people. It’s the best choice.

  • In watching the talking heads on CNN and MSNBC about Rev. Wright and Senator Obama, this is the first time that I have heard of these video sermons. In watching, they have pulled out the most inflammatory parts of the sermons and blasted them repeatedly 24/7. I cringed at the words being blasted and my first thoughts were that Senator Obama would have to renounce this man and his rhetoric if he wanted to be elected the first Arican-American President. He has renounce his rhetoric but not the man, which is fine with me as the other candidates have not renounce the identical sources of racial divide among their supporters. If the talking heads would stop inflaming this type of controversy from any of the supporters of the candidates it would just go back in the files from whence it came. After all, Ferraro comments were not new, she said the same thing about Jesse Jackson when he ran for President regarding his race, but I very seldom heard it from the talking heads and they did not even bring it up with her in personal interviews. It seems that since there does not seem to be a way for Senator Clinton to beat Senator Obama in securing the nomination, this last minute attack on him for Rev. Wright’s comments is purposely being done to thwart his candidacy. Another attempt to divide the American people by race to maintain the status quo.

  • BUDO Are you implying I shoul have know My Pastor was having sex with minor It was going on for years but when I go to church which is Once a week I am there for the word of god not about personal things

  • Obama is pond scum and all this stuff that comes out is more proof of that. I am from Illinois and this has done zero. The only thing this guy has done is go out and promote his books.

    Obama’s next job should be working for Hallmark or Doubleday

  • Obama has had to talk about his faith because of the Muslim rumors– he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t talk about his faith. It’s not as if Hillary doesn’t talk about hers as well, she ends nearly every speech with “God Bless.”

    As an atheist I personally think the more distance between religion and politics/government the better. However, regardless of how religious either Obama or Hillary claim to be I don’t fear that they will try to enshrineand impose their particular religious beliefs into our government. That is the key difference between the religious right and the religoius left.

  • klaus.. last time i looked, i was wasn’t running for president like your man obama is. this is a free country, freedom of speech remember ? your words should mean something only when people are trying to find out who they are voting for. like what their beleifs are and what type of person people are voting for. just because i say anything crazy here doesn’t mean i’m what you think i am. i may be just provoking
    discussion and differing opinions. if you think i’m racist, again the discusion is about obama and his racist minister not about me. he’s running for president not me. god forbid he wins..

  • Hillary’s a man hater ….. Where did that come from? If she hated men she certainly would of not stayed married to Bill, and she still would be a Senator without Bill. Where is there any proof of hate towards men by her?
    Both Dem. canidates are not perfect like any of us are not perfect. But I have never seen written nor video proof of Hate towards America or MEN by Hillary Clinton.
    Let’s be real here and not make things up about either canidate … rise above that my goodness.

  • I think the amusing thing about this is how much the earlier roles of Obama and Clinton with respect to Republicans have reversed themselves over the past week.

    For months I was hearing Clinton supporters question people’s optimism that the Republicans who were supporting Obama would not revert to the tribe the moment he won the primary.

    Now it’s the opposite. A brand new group of “concerned voters” have come out of the woodwork to support Clinton and thrash Obama, and the same people who worried about the Republicans’ fidelity before don’t seem to worry about the new group of “concerned voters” now.

    At the risk of encouraging our new friends who have been posting today, I have to say that if the Democrats fall for this, the deserve what is going to happen to them.

    Fortunately, I don’t think this sort of crap will have much traction outside the internet. Clinton will doubtless win in Pennsylvania, then lose most of the rest of the contests and the nomination. This will be old news by November, although our new friends will make one more kick at the can in support of the candidate they really support.

  • The pastor does have a point, even though us rich white Americans don’t like to hear it. And he is certainly correct that we have supported terror when it suits our political agenda. he isn’t just offering a controversial opinion– it’s a documented fact.

    And for people to say that pastors have no right to speak politically about a nation shows their complete ignorance of the Bible to which these pastors adhere. Prophets galore (Isaiah, Jeremiah,etc.) denounced their countries for acting selfishly and without God’s mercy and compassion. Of course, they got stoned for their troubles.

    This is just another secular stoning of a religious prophet. Just as it was in Israel’s day, Americans are shrieking “Sit down and shut your pie hole. Nobody cares what you think.”

    Isaiah was right:

    “Ah, sinful nation, a people loaded with guilt, a brood of evildoers, children given to corruption! They have forsaken the LORD; they have spurned the Holy One of Israel and turned their backs on him.” (Isaiah 1:4)

  • Never when I have been in church has my priest spoke with such hatred…..Never.
    I cannot imagine how you would feel after leaving one of his sermons. My mentor was a wonderful older priest who gave me wisdom and direction. My childhood was one of 6 children and my father died when I was 7. I lived with beatings, alcoholism and poverty…….never did my priest teach me anger or hatred.

    These people are not what they are presenting themselves to be. First, why did Michele Obama say this was the first time she was proud to be an American?
    Why does the Senators web page not have white people under his “People” column? This man was his mentor. I find it all frightening. Why do they hate Americans so much…..he can’t be president, for the first time in my life I will vote Republican.

    Clare in Pgh

  • Black people are the biggest Racists on Earth! The truth is coming out during this election. Like the song from the Undisputed Truth. Smiling faces,Smiling faces sometimes that don’t tell the truth.

    I like how black people say how racist White people are! Boy, just look in the mirror and ask yourself who are the real racists. Whenever something does not go right the Race Card appears.

    It’s starting to get old!

  • To any atheist out there … this Obama Pastor situation to me is about the Hate remarks towards American’s and American, not Religion. To me these remarks do not belong anywhere? Church, work or even at home … we are american’s, let’s atleast be proud of our Country. I love America in good and bad, rather gas is 4 bucks or 2 bucks ………….. it is simple.

  • Here is a really good, thoughtful piece on Obama’s relationship to Wright.

    Wright has been preaching for 40 years. Obama says that he was drawn to Wright for his positive social-justice message. So a few selective controversial comments without much context don’t make me quake with fear. It’s sad that it seems to be working so well on others who are willing to gobble up the right-wing spin on Wright.

  • I think this is a very well-written article, and I hope the hysteria about Reverand Wright will soon go away. As a white male, who is pretty middle of the road (I lean right or left depending upon the issue), I have to admit that I’m not really offended by the reverand’s comments, except to the extent his tone sounded like an attack on HRC (not that she’s not deserving, but Obama’s campaign has shown no tolerance for HRC-type tactics). Frankly, we do still have issues of race in this country, and I think Obama loses many primary votes because he is part black. We’ve seen this in expit polls. HRC may lose votes because she is female, but she also gains them because of her last name (and while Obama fares well with African-Americans, she fares well with older women). Obama did come from a very disadvantaged background and got where he is today not because his spouse was a governor and then president, but because of his accomplishments. Really, how many people who never held elected office could move to a major state where he/she had no connections and immediately run for and win a senate seat?

    I also agree with his 9/11 statements (shocking, I know). But I think we were a little naive not to see this coming. We have imposed our will on a lot of people/countries around the world, often by deadly force. Didn’t we think someone would get a little ticked off and strike back? We knew at least as far back as the Clinton administration that ObL was a threat, and radical Islamic groups attacked the WTC prior to 9/11. Did we think they were just doing it for fun and would stop? Of course not! Then in situations where we probably should have intervened (Rowanda) we sat back and did nothing while so many people were killed. It really does seem like America is not willing to flex its muscles unless their is something for America to gain.

    I don’t appreciate the reverand stereotyping the “rich white Americans.” As a well-educated white American who nevertheless lives paycheck to paycheck, I reject his views. Reverand White is clearly caught up in his 60s mentality. It probably seved him and other African Americans well at the time, but I think it’s time for blacks and whites to change the tone and take a more conciliatory approach to problems with race.

    I understand why it took Sen. Obama so long to do what he did. It’s not easy to “reject and repudiate” your spiritual leader, especially one that you’ve had for 20 years. You don’t rely upon them for political advice, but for spiritual advice. In Sen. Obama’s case, Reverand Wright helped him explore his relationship with God, not how to defeat HRC or become president. However, given the controversy that his sermons stirred up, as we go into the PA primaries (interesting timing, huh?), I think he did the right thing, and he did an excellent job of explaining himself.

    At first I thought that this was just like the Geraldine Ferarro flap, but as I think about it more, there are so many differences. Reverand Wright is a spiritual leader. Ferarro is a professional politician who should know that what she says will be placed under scrutiny (actually her statements were so horrific it didn’t take any real scrutiny). Obama was placed with a real dilemma of repudiating and offending a man who served as his spiritual, not political, advisor for so many years. HRC was in a position of repudiating the racist comments of a professional politician who was one of her chief fundraisers. Obama bit the bullet and rejected, repudiated, spit upon, etc. the statements of Rev. Wright. HRC, on the other hand, while rejecting Ferarro’s statements out of one side of her mouth, blamed both campaigns for stooping to personal attacks. After seeing how both of them handled these situations, I am now sure who I want to answer the phone at 3 a.m.: Barack Obama.

  • Obamas kids were forced to listen to this crap every Sunday.
    Brainwashing child abuse.

    hhkeller has apparently never really been to church. For your information, children are sent to what is called Sunday school and do not attend the sermon with the adults.

    So go have your fainting spell elsewhere, idiot.

    There are two groups fired up over this and it’s hard to tell which one is more excited, the right-wingers or the Clinton supporters.

    Clinton supporters might want to think about what happens when the media frenzy starts over the gazillions Bill has made in the Middle East the last few years. Some of us might remember the way you’ve piled on Obama.

  • You think faux moral outrage can steal this election?

    It’s got nothing to do with moral outrage. The guy is a loser now and we’ve had enough losers. There is no way now Republicans can’t beat Obama.

  • First, I’m suspecting that we are seeing the work of a small number of trolls with a whole lot of sockpuppets: it’s not like any of these people have ever commented here before. The total effect would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic, egregious, and nasty.

    Second, what a desperation to try to find something that they can make stick to Obama. It’s like a caribou on the tundra exhales and a zillion mosquitoes hone in the CO2.

    Third, of all the things in the world, or even just in this campaign, to get outraged about, Obama’s minister’s outrage is pretty small potatoes, especially since his outrage is legitimate and well-targeted, albeit over the top.

    Fourth, in terms of tactics, at this rate they are going to peak way too early.

    However, in politics it is all too easy to die from a thousand tiny cuts, and Obama will be facing a lot of this sort of thing over the next few months. So I draw three lessons from this. First, Hillary’s negatives can be driven up much higher than Obama’s, which will damage them both hugely, but McCain’s potential negatives are even worse than Hillary’s. Because Obama has the best organization and by far the most deeply dedicated supporters, we could turn the whole election into a ravaged and burned-out wasteland and Obama would still win, even if by a small margin in a tiny and largely disgusted turn-out. However, that is not desirable. Second, if America is to thrive, we have to conquer racism and prejudice (and to me Obama offers the best chance for progress on that front). Third, the trolls on this thread remind me that I need to send Obama some more money, so he can overcome them and their mindset.

  • Here’s what I’ve heard. Don’t quote me. Yet…
    After a lecture he gave at Johns Hopkins University in 1993, Barack Obama was overheard and caught on tape muttering to a close associate, “Fuck the white man.” This story and the full transcript, I have been assured, will hit the news media hard on Monday or Tuesday of next week.

    Only Hillary has managed to stay out of the racially charged atmosphere this week. If she can distance herself, she might have a chance when this is all over. Of course, it may be over for Obama sooner than later.

  • Ok. So since there’s no philosophical difference between Barack and his pastor because of simple association, does this mean there’s no philosophical difference between Hillary and her husband who told the biggest lie ever to the American people:

    “I did NOT have sex with that… that… that woman!” :::waggling finger at camera:::

    Just curious how this works.

  • I notice a few posters are using offensive language to address others in this forum. Can’t people discuss here without engaging in gutter language and obscene insults? What happened to the offensive language filter? Each person is expressing an opinion. Isn’t that what this forum is about?

  • Clare from Pgh-

    Why isn’t there a “white people” section on his website??!?!? You’re taking this as evidence that he’s racist and hates white people? Have you ever seen such a section on any political website? Seriously. Think about that for a second.

    From the list of things you say it sounds as if you were looking for excuses to vote for someone other than either Obama or Hillary.

  • I’m African American, by the way. Bet you want me to go back to work on the plantation, right? What a bigot you must be…

    So let’s recap.

    Turner comes out and says that a black president would make the White House “a ghetto” and that if people think blacks are “in your face” and uppity and arrogant now, just wait until they get a black man elected.

    I then denounce Turner’s comments for what they are – racism.

    And then you attack me as a racist for doing so, and then insist that Barack Obama — with his white mother, white advisers, and white supporters — is somehow anti-white. And then you top it off by claiming you’re an African American yourself?

    Christ, that’s funny.

  • Elisabeth, they can’t they are from the same thinking of Obama and his pastor.
    they will just blame it on you being sensitive or find a way to blame Senator Clinton but their behavior will be justified. Maybe some one hurt their feelings when they were 4. They have excuses for bad manners, cruelty and even hurting their own country while our soldiers are dying today…Its their excuse for their hatred….maybe they should try Joel Olsteen or the Dali Lama. They could let go of the hate. Imagine how good they might feel inside.

  • TR, do you think ALL African Americans like myself are LIARS? Doesn’t that just prove what I was saying about you??? Just admit it…you can’t stand the fact that I’m an African American who would rather vote for Hillary. I don’t need to say anything else…

    BeverlyH.–I want to see that transcript. I can’t write my email or everyone will see it and I’ll be e-bombed. Can’t you just post it???

  • MixedMudd – and alot of Senator Obama’s so called and perhaps short lived supporters also voted for the authorization for Bush – does the name John Kerry come to mind? Oh, and I even think Senator Obama said that he was not priviledged to the intelegence so he wasn’t sure how he would have voted.

    But the entire bottom line is simply that no matter what, the premise under which Senator Obama has been running his campaign is fractured! That is the bottom line – and it shows he is not trustworthy. His comments are FLIP-FLOP depending on the audience.

    Clinton makes a decision and takes the hits (as your reference to the war) but has acknowledged the error (last debate) and will fix it. I see no fix from Senator Obama regarding the people he has surrounded himself with. I was taught very young that ‘you’ are judged by the company you keep. Senator Obama has shown very POOR judgment with the company he and his family have chosen to keep.

  • Well let’s not forget that religion is a form of insanity. Invisible bloodthirsty beings. Horrific afterlife destinations. Right out of bedlam.

  • “On March 15th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, MixedMudd said:
    Ok. So since there’s no philosophical difference between Barack and his pastor because of simple association, does this mean there’s no philosophical difference between Hillary and her husband who told the biggest lie ever to the American people:

    “I did NOT have sex with that… that… that woman!” :::waggling finger at camera:::

    Just curious how this works.”

    Just a correction MixedMudd…the biggest lie to the American people was:
    “We are going to war in Iraq because they have weapons of mass distruction”

  • I do wish that everyone here who considers themself to be a Democrat would take a deep breath and step back for a moment. This is the old divide and conquer strategy at work and right now we are doing the GOP’s work for them. There is no need for a scortched earth attack on either candidate, we MUST keep in mind that it will only hurt that party’s chances in the long run.

    Here are the facts:

    Neither Hillary or Obama are racists, sexist, socialists, or any other stupid “ists”; neither Hillary or Obama are the anti-Christ. Each have strengths and weaknesses.

    McCain is a deeply flawed candidate with weak support from the GOP base. Most likely either one could defeat McCain if they run a decent campaign.

    However, it’s pretty clear that BOTH Obama and Hillary’s supporters run the risk of destroying the party from the inside out. We need to chill out and realize this before we continue this whole eat-our-own trend. I know it sounds trite, but can we please keep our eyes on the prize here?

  • Here’s the only thing I’ve found thus far on this so-called speech:

    From The Swamp

    “After a lecture he gave at Johns Hopkins University in 1993, Barack Obama was overheard and caught on tape muttering to a close associate, “Fuck the white man.” This story and the full transcript, I have been assured, will hit the news media hard on Monday or Tuesday of next week.

    Only Hillary has managed to stay out of the racially charged atmosphere this week. If she can distance herself, she might have a chance when this is all over. Of course, it make be over for Obama sooner than later.”

    “Beverly”: you’re like, everywhere!

  • John,
    All I can tell you is that a Washington Post reporter, Dana Milbank, is holding the story about Obama’s 1993 comment. I don’t know Milbank personally, nor have I spoken with him, but a mutual friend who was recently fired by the Post managed to acquire the transcript (which she later gave to me). My contact hasn’t given the transcript to anyone else (that I know of) because the publication threatened to sue or something (I’m not positive about the details here). Nevertheless, Obama’s comments (especially when they reach youtube and other outlets) will likely kill his campaign.

  • I am a HRC supporter. If Obama had been the Democratic nominee I would have supported him. Not any more. He is unelectable. I would not vote for him after this. HRC meet me in Indiana. Obama is finished..

  • TR, do you think ALL African Americans like myself are LIARS? Doesn’t that just prove what I was saying about you??? Just admit it…you can’t stand the fact that I’m an African American who would rather vote for Hillary. I don’t need to say anything else…

    No, I think you’re lying about being an African American.

    You’re attacking me for denouncing Turner’s comments that black people are prone to violence and that a black man living in the White House would make it “a ghetto.” I’ve known African Americans from all walks of life and all across the political spectrum. And not one of them would ever defend such a statement or, even more bizarrely, attack another person who denounced such comments as racist.

    I have absolutely no problem with African Americans voting for Hillary Clinton, or women voting for Barack Obama. Makes no difference to me one way or another.

    I do have a problem with white racists pretending to be black men. Especially when they do such a poor job of it.

    I’ve asked Steve to take a look at this thread. It’ll be interesting to see if the IP address for “John Doey” is the same as “turner.”

  • I have just witness some very disturbing information concerning the message that Pastor Wright has been sending about America. I have never have witnessed so much thankless malarkey as from the pulpit of Christian pastors. America does way more than it share of giving. Yet asks little in return. What we’ve done is become too apologetic for the actions that we take. It may seem that some of us may have forgotten our first love (Christ) but does that give cause for the Pastor to say that we be damned.

    Who gave him utterance in voice to request the almighty to subject America to damnation? Does his personal account include what he has or hasn’t done. Does his polished hated for America include the car that he drives, the finery he wares, and the food he eats?

    Our country will continue to be blessed so long as we pray and do not become deaf to his word.

    No one gives like us, stands and delivers like us, and still puts up with mess like us but us. And yet Pastor Wright personally stirs up hot coals to put on us. Pastor Wright has a bitter tongue that stings with the mindless jealuosy of Cain.

  • BeverlyH,

    I find it seriously hard to believe that ANYONE would sit on such a bombshell if it actually exists.

    Regardless of whether or not its true, what truly sickens me that anyone– EVEN A HILLARY SUPPORTER– would be gleeful over this bit of rumor. It really represents the lowest of the low and bodes very poorly for future of the party.

  • 111. John Doey said: Democrats, by and large, are racists. This includes white dems and black dems.
    Yeah, Barack should definitely be able to solve such a complicated and longstanding issue like, for example, race in America, right? After all, he’s got the best background. Let’s see–20 years of listening to a hate mongerer who he considers a very close and personal friend. . . Yep, that’ll do the trick. As long as you racist whites get on the bandwagon and vote for him. Because if you don’t, everyone will know that it confirms that you’re a racist!

    Jesus, do the world a favor and spend the next few decades in a therapist’s office. You’re so fucked up your issues have issues.

  • After reading some of these posts, it seems some people are willing to provide great latitude to so-called Christian ministers who promote hatred. Nothing could be further than the truth whether a minister grew up in the 60s or the 70s or any time period. Or whatever color their skin happens to be. MLK believed in love and equality for all without resorting to such tactics.

  • Used to seem like you couldn’t tell the Obama-lovers from the wingnut-Hillary-haters, now it seems you can’t tell the wingnut-Obama-haters from the Hillary-lovers.

  • Tim yeah thanks, I was thinking of that too. It was the wagging finger thing I could never get passed.

    This means to me is Hillary really does has horrible judgment because she believed both the bastards!

  • Shalimar– very nicely put. Now I have to figure out a way to get the coffee out of my keyboard.

  • BeverlyH. said: All I can tell you is that a Washington Post reporter, Dana Milbank, is holding the story about Obama’s 1993 comment. I don’t know Milbank personally, nor have I spoken with him, but a mutual friend who was recently fired by the Post managed to acquire the transcript (which she later gave to me). My contact hasn’t given the transcript to anyone else (that I know of) because the publication threatened to sue or something (I’m not positive about the details here). Nevertheless, Obama’s comments (especially when they reach youtube and other outlets) will likely kill his campaign.

    Why would someone still have a comment that Barack made in 1993 when he was a lecturer and had not yet entered public office?? I think that IF the tape exists, it’s a fabrication on the part of the Clintons. You know they’d do stuff like this.

  • To Harold Holley: As a jewish American, I didn’t realize my first love was Christ. Please don’t hate me for not sharing your views. I thought America, especially the Democratic party, was about inclusion. How about you not impose your sincerely held religious beliefs to yourself, and I’ll do the same. But if you’d like to come to a Seder next month . . .

  • oops, I meant don’t impose them on others. Of course you can impose them on yourself! 🙂

  • I don’t think that Hilary is going to offer the VP position to Obama after this. Too much to loose and no positives. She has the black vote anyhow. She is not going to give the white baby boomer vote to McCain for free.

  • If we’re going to get in a your-pastor-is-crazier-than-my-pastor fight I think that the Dems might win.

    Here are just a few crazy right-wing pastors whose entire lives have been devoted to profiting off of their own hatred– and this is off the top of my head:

    Rev. Pat Robertson
    Rev. Jerry Falwell
    Rev. Lou Sheldon
    Rev. Donald Wildmon

    McCain has spoke at right-wing conferences alongside the likes of Ann Coulter for pete’s sake. He publicly sought out the support of Robertson and Falwell, people whose careers were made saying crazy hateful things on TV in a regular way. I don’t think 3 or 4 quotes by Wright from over 30 years of preaching at his own church can stand up to their level of madhattery.

    The key difference is that Obama is denouncing what Wright said. Is McCain denoucing anything any of these wingnuts say?

  • Of course, MixedMudd, they did find weapons of mass destruction eventually…it just didn’t make the news. But whatever…I justhate Bush because he sounds dumb when he speaks, there’s really not other reason. I mean, I’m a little peeved at how rich people get richer and poor people get poorer, and that makes me real mad because I’m jelous and stuff, but they, the government, really should pay me to watch TV and sleep. Maybe I’ll move to a socialist country where everything is better and free. You can’t beat free. Free for one and free for all, that’s what I say.

    I’ll be nappin’ — catch ya alls lata’!

  • MixedMudd –

    You are a liar and a racist (the MixedMudd screen name? – please…). Obama NEVER said “F the white man” and there is no such tape unless you made it up.

    Obama doesn’t want or need your vote, nor is that anything for him to worry about. There will be people who won’t vote for him because of his race, just as there wil be those who won’t vote for Hillary because of her gender or because she is married to Bill. The racist and sexist votes were never theirs to begin with, so they were never lost. Racists and sexists need not apply.

  • There are the pastors that I hate, hate, Hate, HATE!!

    Rev. Pat Robertson
    Rev. Jerry Falwell
    Rev. Lou Sheldon
    Rev. Donald Wildmon

    You gotta hate em! HATE!! HATE!!! HATE!!!!

  • Zoe, I was looking at all the websites so I could learn about the candidates. Only Obama has one with People on it and when you click on it there is no uniting of America but a dividing of America. No candidate has anything like it. I emailed the senator and never got a response. So where are the white men?

    I also emailed a question regarding health care to Edwards, Clinton and Obama.
    Only Senator Clinton has replied directly to my question. If she can why can’t Senator Obama? He has more money.

    So I am studying my candidates and it is not on their race…..it is on intelligence, experience and who I think they really are as a person. Aside from all that is said about Senator Clinton, she is smart, works hard, has always been for all races and can fight under pressure. She has been hit by everyone and is still standing. But if she does not win I am not voting for Obama now, he had to be influenced by his mentor of 20 yrs and that hatred towards Americans has to be deeply rooted. He hasn’t proved himself. We can’t afford as a country to take a chance on him….media darling or not. Our country will end up being a 3rd world country.
    Ask the Katrina victims?

    This country has too many problems to try someone again with questionable knowledge, give me the Clinton years. And the moralist who are still hung up on the sex issue with Bill its time to turn the page. He did a not of good too. How would you like to be judged for one mistake and all the good you did just ignored?

  • Um, I’ve now had 2 posts where someone is using my nickname to post.

    That’s really mature.

  • Of course, MixedMudd, they did find weapons of mass destruction eventually…it just didn’t make the news.

    Ha hah aha ha haha ha ha hah aha haha ah aha h ahaha ahah ah aha hah ahah.

    Sure they did.

    Didn’t make the news??? I guarantee you, if they had finally found weapons of mass destruction, Bush and his cronies would mention it every time they got in front of a microphone. It didn’t make the news because they didn’t find any.

  • To the Tim who said they “found weapons of mass destruction…but it just didn’t make the news” then how would you know? I’m guessing you have ESP or your dillusional and institutionalized and they allow you a moment to play on the internet.

  • Tim said: Of course, MixedMudd, they did find weapons of mass destruction eventually…it just didn’t make the news. But whatever…I justhate Bush because he sounds dumb when he speaks, there’s really not other reason. I mean, I’m a little peeved at how rich people get richer and poor people get poorer, and that makes me real mad because I’m jelous and stuff, but they, the government, really should pay me to watch TV and sleep. Maybe I’ll move to a socialist country where everything is better and free. You can’t beat free. Free for one and free for all, that’s what I say.

    Tim, by the way, nothing you said makes any sense. When you go to bed, have a beer or two first with a bottle of sleeping pills. You’ll feel much better in the morning.

  • zoe from pittsburgh…I think you and I have been had by the same imitator poster. Not that Tim isn’t a somewhat common name…but it’s apparently someone with lot’s of free time. Based on his/her postings, I’m thinking alcohol or drugs should be off limits for this person.

  • #199– seriously, you’re not even using your own words to troll now.

    You’re a sick twisted LAZY puppy who needs to get some help.

  • Sue, you need to read up the posts, Sweets. We’re on the same team I assure you. I was debating the flat-out bullshit this person “BeverlyH” is spamming all over the net.

    No racism here. Never was. Never will be.

  • Nevermind. I just found an article at the following URL: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

    “The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered…”

    Looks like another news flash. It’s from June 2006.

    “The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal,” Santorum read from the document.

    “This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq,” said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

    The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

    Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that “there is still a lot about Iraq that we don’t fully understand.”

    Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn’t advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

    Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

    “This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991,” the official said, adding the munitions “are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war.”

    The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein’s intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

    He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that “we had all known weapons facilities secured,” has proven itself to be untrue.

    “It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump,” he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.

    Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.

    “We know it was there, in place, it just wasn’t operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that’s what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction,” said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a FOX News contributor.

    “It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don’t want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better for them, and then, I think, there’s mindless resistance to releasing any classified documents from Iraq,” Barnes said.

    The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.

    At the same time, congressional Republicans have stayed highly united, rallying around a White House that has seen successes in the last couple weeks, first with the death of terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then the completion of the formation of Iraq’s Cabinet and then the announcement Tuesday that another key Al Qaeda in Iraq leader, “religious emir” Mansour Suleiman Mansour Khalifi al-Mashhadani, or Sheik Mansour, was also killed in a U.S. airstrike.

    Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday’s debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.

    “This is an incredibly — in my mind — significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false,” he said.

    As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.

    “We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war,” Hoekstra said.

  • Fox news is reporting that Newsmax is releasing footage on Monday that will show Barack Obama sitting in the church pew while the Rev. Wright is giving one of his more colorful sermons. This is never going to go away nor will Barack ever be able to explain it away. It’s a sad time for Democrats. The Republicans must be in their party mode about now.

  • #201–you weird piece of unrecognizable crap:

    Stop using my screen name or I’ll make sure Steve bans you.

  • #203– Just to keep the record straight, this is from a lame, stupid troll who is too lazy to come up with their own nickname. Apparently all they know how to do on a computer is copy-and-paste.

  • And finally, “Anne”

    “MixedMudd – and alot of Senator Obama’s so called and perhaps short lived supporters also voted for the authorization for Bush – does the name John Kerry come to mind? “

    Yeah, “Anne” what comes to my mind is that Kerry LOST! He couldn’t defend that vote any better than Clinton can. It was very bad judgment and since both were allowed to view the so-called intelligence on the matter then both hold immense responsibility for it.

    Please explain for the class why Senator Clinton did not take the courageous stand and vote against this war as those below did. What sort of “intelligence” convinced her to directly oppose most of those in her party to make this judgment?

    United States Senate

    * Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
    * Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
    * Barbara Boxer (D-California)
    * Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
    * Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)
    * Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
    * Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
    * Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
    * Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
    * Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
    * Bob Graham (D-Florida)
    * Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
    * Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
    * Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
    * Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
    * Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
    * Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
    * Patty Murray (D-Washington)
    * Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
    * Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
    * Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
    * The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
    * Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

    UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Representatives in voting NAY, on October 11, 2002, to the unprovoked use of force against Iraq:

    Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii) Tom Allen (D-Maine) Joe Baca (D-California) Brian Baird (D-Washington) John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine) Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin) Gresham Barrett (R-South Carolina) Xavier Becerra (D-California) Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon) David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office) Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania) Corinne Brown (D-Florida) Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)

    Lois Capps (D-California) Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts) Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland) Julia Carson (D-Indiana) William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri) Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office) James Clyburn (D-South Carolina) Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office) John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan) Jerry Costello (D-Illinois) William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office) Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)

    Susan Davis (D-California) Danny Davis (D-Illinois) Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon) Diana DeGette (D-Colorado) Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts) Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut) John Dingell (D-Michigan) Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania) John Duncan, Jr. (R-Tennessee)

    Anna Eshoo (D-California) Lane Evans (D-Illinois) Sam Farr (D-California) Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania) Bob Filner (D-California) Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts) Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas) Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
    Alice Hastings (D-Florida) Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office) Maurice Hinchey (D-New York) Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas) Rush Holt (D-New Jersey) Mike Honda (D-California) Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon) John Hostettler (R-Indiana) Amo Houghton (R-New York, retired from office) Jay Inslee (D-Washington)

    D-New Jersey) Ed Pastor (D-Arizona) Ron Paul (R-Texas) Donald Payne (D-New Jersey) Nancy Pelosi (D-California) David Price (D-North Carolina) Nick Rahall (D-West Virginia) Charles Rangel (D-New York) Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas) Lynn Rivers (D-Michigan, retired from office) Ciro Rodriguez (D-Texas, retired from office) Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-California) Bobby Rush (D-Illinois)

    Martin Olav Sabo (D-Minnesota) Loretta Sanchez (D-California) Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) Thomas Sawyer (D-Ohio) Jan Schakowsky (D-Illinois) Bobby Scott (D-Virginia) Jose Serrano (D-New York) Louise Slaughter (D-New York) Vic Snyder (D-Arkansas) Hilda Solis (D-California) Pete Stark (D-California) Ted Strickland (D-Ohio) Burt Stupak (Michigan)

    Mike Thompson (D-California) Bennie Thompson (D-Mississippi) John Tierney (D-Massachusetts) Edolphus Towns (D-New York) Mark Udall (D-Colorado) Tom Udall (D-New Mexico)

    Nydia Velaquez (D-New York) Pete Visclosky (D-Indiana) Maxine Waters (D-California) Diane Watson (D-California) Melvin Watt (D-North Carolina) Lynn Woolsey (D-California) David Wu (D-Oregon)

  • #205 is also a troll posting.

    What a big boy you are! Are you in 7th grade this year? Or are you just that sad and pathetic that you won’t write anything under your own nickname?

  • MixedMudd, if that is your real name…
    Just kidding, man. BeverlyH just sent me some BS that she was talking about. Think I should “leak” it to the media?

  • 190. Javier A said: I don’t think that Hilary is going to offer the VP position to Obama after this. Too much to loose and no positives. She has the black vote anyhow.

    Haven’t been paying attention the last few months, have we? Running a dog-whistle campaign tends to piss off the people you’re demonizing, such that they rarely show up at the polls in normal numbers to vote for you in the future. Not that she was ever going to offer the VP position to Obama in the first place if she had it available. Hillary says alot of things that aren’t true (for example, most of her foreign policy “experience”).

  • Fox news is reporting that Newsmax is releasing footage on Monday that will show Barack Obama sitting in the church pew while the Rev. Wright is giving one of his more colorful sermons. This is never going to go away nor will Barack ever be able to explain it away. It’s a sad time for Democrats. The Republicans must be in their party mode about now.

    Then the Democrats just need to keep playing soundbites from the bigoted reverends who have recently endorsed McCain.

  • #207 is also an idiotic troll. Where do these morons all come from? It’s like on Saturday they have nothing better to do.

    Grow some balls and use your own name, dammit!

  • The right-wing is indeed making an issue of this– Rush and Glen Beck talked about this solidly for the past few days.

    If Obama gets the nomination we need to anticipate this kind of attack from the right– Obama is a SCARY black man who secretly hates white people and he wants power only to hurt white people.

    Fear is all they have to sell.

  • Also, if Hillary gets the nomination we can expect the same kind of attacks– only they’re going to call her a scary, irrational man-hating FEMINIST.

    This is going to be an ugly, unforgettable year.

  • Whomever did the posting thinking that Clinton campaign had all that power to do all this and whatever will follow to Senator Obama……

    WOW – I want that person with all that power in office. LOL

    Seriously, there is no way 20 years of exposure to anything doesn’t have a long term impact. It was poor judgment – period. And judgment for the President of the United States is absolutely the most important. Maybe this is some of the experience that Clinton has been talking about. The experience to know right from wrong, racist from non-racist, democratic vs. selfish, longer term gain vs. short term loss, etc. etc. etc. Senator Obama does now show any of those qualities and this is just the latest of the exposures.

    Just think, if Clinton had not left her name on the ballot in Michigan (although Senator Obama chose to remove his name), there would be no one left who from the start was on the side of the voters. Michigan and Florida should keep that in mind. Senator Obama learned from Clinton to leave his name on the ballot in Florida. Plays a great game of ‘follow the leader’ though. That is the best judgment he has shown so far.

  • If newsmax has Obama sitting in a pew on Monday listening to Wright, we’re going to have a tough time dispelling the rumors that Barack has race issues.

    The Right needs to be attacked on the same day to divert everyone’s attention.

  • #218– you are the very definition of a sad, pathetic troll.

    Newsmax break a real news story? You’re kidding, right?

  • MixedMudd………no sense in being snippy……just then explain why Senator Obama has the identical funding the war record since he has been in the Senate? Seems to me that with your point in mind……….he presumed to have made the right judgment although he had no authority or voting power…..

    But once he had the voting power he never voted no to the funding? how come?

  • Yea, me too, Anne Wolf. LOL

    Zoe Kentucky– you’re stupid if you think the right should be ATTACKED to “divert everybody’s attention”…I think people will see through it, unfortunately

  • #218 and #222– Not me. This is a troll posting under my nickname.

    This is getting entirely too tedious.

    Bye ya’ll.

  • 221. On March 15th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, Shalimar said: Zoe Kentucky– you’re stupid if you think the right should be ATTACKED to “divert everybody’s attention”…I think people will see through it, unfortunately

    What in the heck are you talking about, Shalimar???………There is NO tape………and there never will be…..period….

  • ALERT! There is a troll here who is posting under other people’s nicknames so you don’t believe anything you read from here on.

    This thread is officially dead.

  • wow. incredible what karma can do. obama should admit lying is part of politics and he is no exception. if obama still insists he havent heard his “mentor” say those things, let’s ask michelle or their children what their rev. wright says on sundays.
    and…
    20 years ago, when obama was 26 and george hw bush was president and supporting sandinistas and other dictatorships, i’ll bet obama eagerly listened to his mentor’s views about america.

  • Obama said he has good judgement becase he didn’t vote for the war.That all i here over &over.But i see more bad judgement like Rezko, his pastor&Church yes Church they like his talk jumping up &down in joy! Experience yes he dose in racist hate.Obama wife is proud of America for the frist time in her life.Is it becase hate may move in the White House?

  • To the troll who was posting under other’s nicknames:
    Get lost, go jerk off or go ask your mommy and daddy why your so wierd and why you don’t have a thought or opinion in your head that is worth listening to.

  • If there is a tape…………Senator Obama will not be able to get around another intentional misrepresentation to the public. He did that with the Canada NAFTA stuff too – said it didn’t happen then the memo showed up.

    Today he announced that there was more money than he thought from Rezko – new and a $100,000 more……….wonder how all that got missed?

    If true, it will then be time for the good Senator from Illinois to consider leaving the race. After that it would fall squarely on his shoulders to leave so the democrats can prepare for November. He would simply be shredded……but I would sure feel bad for the supporters that he has. At some point they will have to recognize though that it is him with his friends (Wright and Rezko) and that it was his own undoing! No one elses.

  • The media is blowing this story out of proportion than what it really is. I have been a Catholic for more than thirty years. A priest married my wife and I, baptized my kids, and provided spiritual guidance to my family. A few years ago, this same priest was arrested and charged with child molestation and having sex with young boys. Should I be held responsible for the behavior of this priest, or should I have left the Catholic Church because of what this priest did or said? I am part of the church for spiritual direction and I do not resent the spiritual guidance my family and I received from this priest regardless of the fact that his behavior and attitude was dispeakable, unacceptable, and just wrong. I condemn his actions, but expecting me to have left the church because of his actions, is just not going to happen. Leave Obama alone because of the views of his pastor. This election is about the the poor economy, bringing our troops back from Iraq, changing the way our government does business, etc, etc and not about what one’s pastor or priest does or say.

  • Brandon is right. All the Hillary-haters/Obama-haters need to PLEASE chill out. Let’s not be too myopic here, one side will need the support of the other after this nomination battle is over.

    So, please, play nice everybody.

  • Ms Carpetbagger here.

    Just so everyone knows, here are the comments left by troll: 114, 129, 136, 142, 150, 167, 173, 180, 190, 195, 197, 202, 206, 208, 212, 216, 218, 221, 224, 225, 227.

    Please disregard them. Well, except for 208, which I find amusing.

  • Brandon…I totally agree with what you have said however, it is Senator Obamas campaign platform that is being challenged by these revelations. It also challenges some common sense that after 20 years of exposure that he would not have gleaned anything from all those sermons and personal contact.

    I am only suggesting that everyone, not just Senator Obama, are judged by whom they associate with. Senator Obama made of choice of 20 years with a racist minister and who know how may years with Rezko. As a State Senator he admits to cocaine use and who knows what else.

    I think you have my point. It is being held responsible for the actions of Wright, it is the judgment to be there and to stay, which is the act of support. That is the poor judgment I am speaking of.

  • Thanks Ms. Carpetbagger! Now is there any way to de-vowel their comments? It’s far preferential to banning them outright.

  • Follow-up: I meant to say:

    Senator Obama is NOT being held reponsible for the actions of Wright, it is the judgment to be there and to stay….

  • You just knew that the Obama supporters were ignorant racist anti-American haters from the beginning, their rationalizing and continued support for him now prove it.

  • Yes, it is very logical that all Obama supporters are racists who hate America.

    Thanks for sharing your keen, sophisticated insight. Your job here is done, you can now move on.

  • Who trucked in all these people who have Ph.Ds in the in-depth history of Trinity Church and Reverend Wright’s career? It’s amazing to me how much they agree with each other though about what this “proves” about Obama’s judgment, motives, morals, etc. – in my experience academics don’t usually agree about much of anything… Like many academics though, they sure can read a lot out of very little.

  • Stephen1947 – wise words but this is far larger than what you may want to downplay the issues on. I frankly could care less about history regarding any Church whos preacher preaches such hatred and vile comments.

    Truth in statements, association with Rezko, newly found additional donations from Rezko, $300K under market for his home, voting to fund the war, leaving name off of the Michigan ballot by choice, pro nuclear weapons, cocaine use in the Senate, etc. etc. etc. and that does not include the mess with Reverend Wright. A bit more than a basic academia discussion.

    Senator Obama set a standard that he uses to criticize his opponent with. It comes down to honor on ones word if we are really going to look at change, it comes down to being up front on issues if we are going to look at change, it comes down to not throwing rocks if you live in the glass house. Personally, I see way too many holes in the words being provided. He will be eaten up by the Republicans if he is the nominee.

  • Obama should apologize for having his minister on his campaign for so long, like Clinton had to apologize.

  • my how far we have(n’t) come. altho there appears to be a greater than usual number of trolls on this topic, i’m surprised to see the HRC ‘progressives’ licking their chops with such glee over the pastor’s firey yet valid comments.

    just goes to show that change really isn’t what they want — a continuation of the clinton/mccain business-as-usual cabal will do just fine for them, thank you very much.

  • Sidebar– if Obama hates white people does that mean he hated his mother and his mother’s entire family?

  • The candidate who touts “judgment” as his defining attribute clearly has displayed an appalling lack of judgement in being a long-term disciple of Reverend Wright. Hey, I have an idea! If Hillary promises not to mention Reverend Wright during the res of the primary campaign, Barack Obama must pledge not to allude to Hillary’s unfortunate initial vote on Iraq. Under these simple ground rules, I think it will become abudantly clear to Democratic voters who should become the nominee of the Democratic Party.

  • “Anne”: If that’s all you got child, I’m not worried one bit for Obama. The crap you’re spewing just makes him and us stronger in the general election. Because of these pertinent “revelations” we’re much better prepared for the bumps in the road we’ll encounter McCain. So thanks.

    Bring it on!

  • Having just read thru all of the comments and LOL at too many of them (trolls and too-transparent Hillary supporters), I have a few comments:
    1) The comments by some here only go to prove Rev. Wright’s position that racism is “alive and well” in America.
    2) While some of Rev. Wright’s comments go too far (the AIDS and God Damn America for two) and were ill-advised for the pulpit, he is right on in his observations on race in this country. And that the USA has not always been just in its treatment of other peoples or countries. Those who fail to see that are blind.
    3) We should not judge others when we have not “walked a mile” in their shoes. Obama is right to point out that Rev. Wright actually lived thru the turbulent 60s as an African American. It is OK for him to go there, even if it makes many of us uncomfortable.
    4) Many white people do not want to face the facts when it comes to race and how we have treated African Americans, Native Americans, Hispanics, etc. in our Nation’s history.
    5) The FEAR factor is strongly in play in this “story”.
    6) Unlike many conservative/fundie/what have you Christians, in churches such as UCC and other mainline denominations you don’t HAVE TO AGREE WITH OR BELIEVE THE SAME THING as your pastor. Perhaps that is why so many on the right are confused.

    Just so you know where I’m coming from, you can “label” me as mid-50’s, white, liberal Christian.

  • Those of you who label Trinity Church as black separatist, racist, and dealing in hate are wrong. In fact the opposite is true. In a post yesterday someone posted links to videos of the new pastor and another person (sorry can’t find it now). In addition a couple of days ago I posted something from factcheck.org about Obama’s church.

    And shame on you who have misquoted Michelle Obama. Too transparent, all of you.

  • I just wonder what attacks hillary will have when she becomes the front runner.

    Obama has been right, and sound on all the issues, honest, but taken down by the “guilt by association”

    Hillary will be taken down by her lies, her issues, and the mountains of scandals

  • I have a problem with what Rev Wright has been saying, because he has a big audience that takes him seriously. I have a bigger problem with Obama’s unbelievable assertion that this is the first he has heard Wright’s most incendiary comments. That assertion is just not credible. It breaks my heart that a man gifted with the ability to inspire people is willing to tell such a bald face lie. I don’t get it. What is the point? Is he tesing the faith of his followers? Is he saying, “If you love me, you must believe me” ? I think Obama’s lies, his betrayal of those who have put so much faith in him, will be the story long after we have lost interest in Wright.

  • Well, this might be the most childish display i’ve seen in a long time. Pathetic is probably the right word…or at least the word fit for print.

    It sure looks like the message got out that 3/15/08 was “get on your keyboard and trash Obama day”. I’m guessing it was Hillaryis44 and that ilk. Funny too how so many people have complained lately about the Obama slant on TCBR.

    If this is the “real” Democratic Party then you can keep it…actually, i have a better suggestion, but i’ll leave that to your imaginations.

    Fasten the collective seatbelts for the McCain presidency: the Democratic Party is set to self-destruct…this will be your only warning…it will be a silent countdown.

  • For the record, I’m an Edwards supporter, and I’ve never been crazy about Obama and Clinton.

    I don’t think either Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton is a racist. But like other politicians, Mr. Obama has to get support from the African American community, just like John McCain has to get support from the Christian evangelists. But Rev Wright’s outrageous statements will surface again and again on Fox News and the internet during the general election. Sen. Obama has miscalculated the reaction of the media and American public. I can see Democrats are losing in November.

    Senator Obama is finished.

  • I am a liberal who always support freedom of speech. I will not condemn the sermon of the pastor and in some sense it carried a certain truth. But to be a candidate of United States president, Obama has been associated with a person so extreme in view for the lifetime of his adulthood; I wonder where he would bring the country to if indeed he wins the presidency.

  • MixedMudd: Oh so typical you are…nothing intelligent just something demeaning. Well, I can only figure that if this is the only place you can display that type of behavior, more power to ya.

    I am certain in my own beliefs and find your display of mock superiority quite funny actually. Too bad you couldn’t or haven’t answered why Senator Obama has continued to vote for funding the war when he claims to have been against it?

    Now that is an issue…….response?

  • Last night on FOX news in an interview, Obama said in response to a question, “Yes I would have stopped attending that church if I knew the sermons were as offensive as the ones showed in your clips of my pastor because I do not at all find that kind of talk acceptable. But all of the services I attended, his sermons were about eternal life through Jesus Christ and how to help the poor as Jesus would.” WELL, a guy from NewsMax was on FOX news just said they have video proof of Obama in attendance during at least 1 of these controversial sermons. He said it will be aired Monday. So this story is likely to continue on into next week. YEY

  • Neither Fox”News” nor “News”Max should be able to refer to themselves as “news” sources without quotes– they’re nothing more than GOP/right-wing propaganda machines.

  • I am amazed by those people who blamed Hillary for Obama’s pastor issue. Now it is as if Wright is in Hillary ‘s camp, sent out by Hillary some 20 years ago, so that he could befriend with Obama, and finally harms Obama in 2008 presidential election. She would be too smart and too calculated that make me to admire her.

  • He didn’t have his hand over his heart and he stopped wearing the flag pin, he has been influenced by his mentor Wright.

  • I am shamed of Obama and his pastor’s anti American’s comments. For such a comment, how could you just categorily denounce? It should be strongly denounced. I deeply donbt that Obama is better than his pastor at his heart. It is dangerous for us. We need examin him carefully!

  • Miami, FL…..this is what I was talking about earlier. If there is tape of Senator Obama and it shows what it claims to – Senator Obama will be 100% discredited – again.

    His undoing will be done at his own hands. Where are his campaign managers?

  • he stopped wearing the flag pin,

    So that’s what patriotism means to you – wearing a cheap pin with the words “Made in China” on the back?

    And anyone who doesn’t wear this Chinese-made pin is unpatriotic?

    I am shamed of Obama and his pastor’s anti American’s comments. For such a comment, how could you just categorily denounce? It should be strongly denounced. I deeply donbt that Obama is better than his pastor at his heart. It is dangerous for us. We need examin him carefully!

    Is English your second language?

    Nice to know Hillary has so many ignorant, illiterate and downright racist supporters. As if I needed another excuse not to support Nixon-in-a-Pantsuit.

  • “Anne”: Sorry I missed that. Guess I was still waiting on you to answer my question in #207: You totally ignored it. Or was that even you? There seems to be two “Anne Wolf” writing styles…………….

    But here’s my answer: The funding now is for saving the lives of those Americans Hillary Clinton sent in harm’s way. If funding were cut off before the war ended and Barack was one who agreed with that, then you would be howling he’s trying to kill our soldiers or that he’s aiding and abetting Al Qaida.

    FYI: mock superiority is something I learned from my Hillary Clinton Handbook.

  • You must be out of your minds. Barack Obama is not a patriot, he is anti-American and he should withdraw from this race. What do you people need to see who he really is? His wife is not proud of this country, his pastor calls on God to d— America, this is a church he has attended for 20 years. Take off the blinders. President of the United States? Not even fit to be in the Senate.

  • He didn’t have his hand over his heart and he stopped wearing the flag pin

    OMG! I’m totally not voting for him for homecoming queen!!!!

  • One thing that occurred to me is the media focus on why hasn’t Obama done anything about this before.

    My thought is that it would have been nearly impossible for him to effectively address this until it became a real issue, with video and all the media watching. If he had addressed this before every news show was hot on the trail, how exactly could he address it? He would have to anticipate all the valid and invalid questions, and if he didn’t address one thing, he could be branded as minimizing the situation. Worst of all, he would have to provide the video himself, and again, if he missed something, it could look like a cover-up.

    On top of everything, he got to release the full numbers from Rezko.

  • #207 did not warrant a response. Well, it isn’t as if his one vote would do much damage and it would have at least had him give an illusion of following through with what he now claims to have been his position. I was unaware that he voted for the motion….guess hind site is always 20/20……..but I think he has far greater problems going on now!

    And fortunately the decision to vote for Bush’s stuff has since been proven to be lies in the reports, lies to the Senators who had the authority to make the votes, and lies to the American public by Bush. Sorry some fell for the lies…..but burnt once shame on you – burnt twice, shame on me. I will not listen to someone who misrepresents positions on NAFTA or anything else. No shame on me…I can see clearly right through Senator Obama. Easy! We’ve all had enough practice with GW to see when something is amiss.

    I agreee 100% Irma Adame! Bravo for calling it as it is! If the tape comes out on Monday and Senator Obama has misrepresented to the American people again he should be called to step out of the nomination process by the DNC…or, the voters from here on out can give him a great big ‘thumbs down’ for the Senator from Illinois! And no one should be upset if the Clinton campaign happens to mention the flip-flop that Senator Obama does along the way!

    I was serious though…….where are his campaign managers?

  • BATTLE CRY’S:

    The Reagan Revolution = Guns, God & Gays!

    The Obama Revolution = Racism…Racism…Racism!

  • Some of Rev. Wright’s sermon was quite distrubing however make no mistake about it these sermons were chosen for a reason, I am sure all of you can guess WHY……… Perhaps CNN should air ‘ONE” of his inspirational sermons because surely NO ONE can be stupid enough to believe that Rev. Wright has achieved all that he has through small excerpts such as the ones the MEDIA has been running. Hillary supporters, make no mistake about who this was intended to sway just in time for the Penn Primary……. Sorry to tell you HRC you were in trouble with the PENN vote – now you just might have a chance to win some of the votes you were definitely losing…….. If somehow you get the DEM nomination you will not beat McCain in November…………. Hannity’s attitude and comments are a disgrace to the journalism profession……

  • Senator Obama claims he was not present during any of the comments. If that is not found to be true, all else is suspect.

  • DENVER 2009:

    Gimme an F… Gimme a U… Gimme a C… Gimme a K

    What’s that spell? F*** America!!!

  • I can’t believe I just took the time to read through these posts. They’re hilarious! All I can say is a lot of people rely upon rumor, inuendo and just plain false assertions to make their points. One thing is for sure, the Democratic party is coming close to ruin. Yes, I support Barack Obama, but I always said that I would vote for HRC if she became the nominee. I hate to see this primary be less about “who will be the best candidate?” and more about “how can I tear down my opponent?” Of course, I have my opinion of who started it, but that doesn’t matter. We need to stop, let the primaries play out, and support our ultimate candidate. Save the dirty campaigning for the general election, because we know the Republicans will come at either candidate with all they’ve got.

  • Senator Obama is in serious trouble because of his pastor’s remarks, however, McCain has graciously not jumped on Obama during this time. What I am noticing on all of the tv news channels is the deep lack of understandinging of the Black man, the Black church and the use and meaning of black rhetoric in the church. Instead of going to the streets with guns, words were substituted in place of angry actions. The reality of discrimination is still with us, can we be surprised that in the black church, the only real social/political powerbase in the black community that the truth about white privilege is exposed without any whitewash? It is patently obvious that many of the pastor’s remarks are slanted, but, other remarks are to the point, Obama is just too nice of a guy to tell it like it is.

  • Anne Wolf @265 said, I will not listen to someone who misrepresents positions on NAFTA or anything else.

    Ok, i can understand that line of reasoning, it is sound and full of conscience. I would have to assume that you are a conscientious voting objector then. I know that if you feel that way (and i agree with it) you can’t be contemplating a vote for Clinton. Fool me for eight years…who’s shame is that?

    Or is there where the “lesser of two evils” rationale comes in?

  • WOW.RACISM.IS.ALIVE. All these nice white people getting in a froth over what a black minister said. It’s too bad he’s not really running for office. All this anger and self-righteousness at being reminded that this country still has a long long way to go to even get close to the ideals set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Take a deep breath, try to put yourself in someone else’s shoes and really listen.

    Irma Adame said:
    You must be out of your minds. Barack Obama is not a patriot, he is anti-American and he should withdraw from this race. What do you people need to see who he really is? His wife is not proud of this country, his pastor calls on God to d— America, this is a church he has attended for 20 years. Take off the blinders. President of the United States? Not even fit to be in the Senate.

    Irma, hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of things to damn this country for;our exploitation of people of color, both in this country and the world at large,
    discussions of torture, blinding ourselves to the plight of the poor and sick. You can love this country and what it is “supposed” to stand for but not be proud of it’s actions. Actions speak louder than words… or flag pins.

  • I have an idea for all those who seem to know what it is to be African American in this country and can tell them that they have no right to be angry at America…Why dont you ask them what their life experience as a black American has been like? Then put yourself in their shoes and report back to us how proud you would be to be asssociated with that America.

    BTW Barack is on the outside looking in on this issue as much as other non Black Americans like most of us….His father is not an Ancenstor of Slaves and his mother is white.

  • This is crazy in the past few weeks this man has had to Reject and Denounce everything. Hillary Cliinton throw the rock and hide her hand. He will continue to get the Black vote because black people havent forgot what happened. I’m sure many of us have sat in a pew and heard a pastor say somthing we did not agree with. I hope the media DONOT ask Senator Obama to Denounce and Reject his Parents. Please note that the pastor was speaking from his experience is it not true we were slaves for the white man we can’t forget that nothing this pastor said was untrue. He is in the lead but if it was Hillary he would have been pressured by now to concede. The bar is always a little higher for the black man.

  • It is not the fire and brimstone of Jeremiah A Wright that caught my attention as much as the tone of the media after the extraction and reduction of Jeremiah Wright’s 30 years of religious service into several hand-picked quotes. What Hannity and Colmes started at the beginning of Obama’s bid for presidency is tossed into the spotlight again.

    No other candidate in this race has been grilled as much as Obama has been — just in a 24 hour period on religious affiliation/association.
    This is truly manufactured news for a desired result– “let’s get Obama.”

    Obama is running for president, not Rev. Wright.

    Looks like the media conglomerates have a plan to ride Obama for his pastor’s comments. McCain’s John Hagee, condemns Catholicism — The media didn’t even blow this up half as much as the Wright controversy. Rod Parsley said America is hell bent on destroying Islam– no media outlet has grilled McCain on either one of these statement.

    Why all of the heavy handed treatment toward Rev Wright? Nothing fair and balanced– no equality being shared on the subject of religion
    by the media with all of the candidates.

    Our founding fathers got it right– Separation of Church and state- religon is too personal and it should not be on the table unless all candidates are being grilled on their pastors’ take on Christianity.

    “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye. . . . America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”

    — Sermon, September 2001

    “What goes around comes around.” All Rev Wright was expressing in his 9/11 sermon is what many people agree with. One cannot continue to destoy and kill and it won’t reciprocate. I love my country but our history is steeped in wars and killing. We were blessed to have only had 2 attacks on American in recent history; Pearl Harbor and 9/11. We are a blessed nation we are a blessed people.

    As we debate Rev Wrights words there is a war of ignorance being waged in Iraq fueled by a lie– Weapons of Mass Destruction.
    Here we are killing people again. Why?

    We may all have different takes on war but we all know that it is not good and not the will of God no matter what name your religion gives your God. Whether your God is called Jesus, Allah, Buddah or Elohim we all know “Thou shalt not kill. “

  • One thing to ask after removing the rhetoric and delivery is how much of what the guy said is true. Some of his conclusions are off base but I would say most of it. For example, we still after 60 years vigorously debate about the 2 A-bombs. Many millions of people in the world believe that part of the reason we didnt put much effort into exploring other options (other than invasion) is because of racism. Things like that make people hate us. But no candidate better say it or else he/she will be skewered.

    Also, perhaps I missed it but from what I have read he didnt say 9/11 was justified. But he did say that based on the hatred of the US we should have expected something like it would happen……. again. Thats what the whole 9/11 commission was about. And although for political reasons they didnt explicitly say it the last 2 presidents ignored it all. So who else shares in the blame? Attack us once… shame on you. Attack us twice… shame on us. Actually on a side note I am a bit curious. Hillary touts her experience while first lady. Did she have any discussions with Bill about OBL?

    Oh btw, remember the statement “One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter”? The model of Republicanism himself said that. Funny how they dont bring that up these days.

  • Well, after reading these blogs I am still of the thought that 20 years exposure to racism rubs off……..and I feel very uncomfortable with Senator Obama now. I think too this mess has given me the answer regarding Michele Obama and her views that I recently read. They are in line with Reverend Wright’s apparent views.

    A long time ago, far far away, …. the golf courses were not allowed to discrimate and let black golfers in, the restaurants were not allowed to discriminate and let the black people come in to eat, but Senator Obama who is running for President of the United States belongs to a church and has done so for many many years, that discriminates in its own ways. Just doesn’t feel right to me…….

  • If indeed there is a video with Obama saying amen to any of the Rev. inflamatory remarks, it may be the end. The only think in his favor is that this came six weeks before PA. But is going to be a tough one to climb.

  • Question? When did running for President become about being black in America?
    I realize there are issues that will effect blacks but aren’t we all in this together or am I just nieve? Its not about being a woman in America either…..I just thought it was about the best person doing the best job on all fronts with the mess George Bush left……it includes everyone……..Why the division? No one is bringing us together including the candidate who ran on bringing us together. What happened?I have very diversified friends and we all feel the same. We just want the best candidate….

  • Let’s see: white midwestern mother, Kenyan father, Indian step-father, Hawaiian sister, white midwestern grandparents who helped raise him… How can anyone with commonsense associate the ranting comments of Rev. Wright with Obama… WOW, I knew something was going to happen to go against his campaign of hope, unity and one america.

    I too have people who are friends of the family and some older family members who still have racist views and live in the past b/c of their own experiences. I know no one on this blog could say they don’t have the same. But these people I know and love, I go to for advise on certain issues and I will never stop loving them, because their past is theirs and not mine to deal with. All in all, I still believe in OBAMA’S campaign and stances on the issues. WE ARE ONE AMERICA, NOT WHITE AMERICA, NOT BLACK AMERICA, NOT ASIAN AMERICA OR GAY AMERICA. This is good that this came out eventhough Hannity wanted to play on the hopes that white people are so ignorant and secretly racist that this would stop his campaign, but this is going to make it stronger.

    We are sick of racism!
    OBAMA 2008
    OBAMA 2008
    OBAMA 2008

    Si se puede!!!

  • I find Obama’s explanations absurd. My vote will in no way be for Obama, as it was until this point. If Obama wins the nomination I will have to vote, God forbid, for McCain. The Obamas are involved with this man and have been for 20 years on a very “intimate” level. We choose to associate with those that have similar beliefs as we do. Not only did they associate they had a lengthy past together.
    “God Damn America”? Do people realize what Obama in the White House WILL mean for this Country?
    Wake up people, this country is in trouble and Barack has NO CHANCE of being part of the solution.

  • I truly believe that those who are saying that they will not vote for Obama b/c of what his supporter/Rev. said did not support him anyway, and those who listened to his message and his stance on the issues and supported him before this media play are going to continue to support him.

  • We should BAN the following words during the election period:

    DENOUNCE, REPUDIATE, CONDEMN, REJECT….

    If anyone says these words (yes, simply just words), everything should be FOREGIVEN and FORGOTTEN?

    Can you think of any one person who wouldn’t say these words when the PRESIDENCY of United States is within a grasp?

  • Oh I stll can’t vote for him due to the fact the Wright was his mentor and has influenced him with all the hate the man has had to transfer to Obama. I still don’t know who he is as a man or person. But it has nothing to do with his being Black. If you read these blogs most people think if you question anything about him and disagree then you are a racist not a concerned citizen… that is my question.

    When I was 8 years old and went to church by myself I would have left if I had heard that type of hatred. And the tv reports I have seen the minister does say after 9/11 “God damm America” , If my next door neighbor said that I would be appalled let alone to hear that in a church. Something is wrong there and it means something is wrong with Obama. And it is not his race but his thinking…..its very dissappointing to many people. We all know it.

  • Interesting article…

    Obama’s 23 years of silence

    Peggy Shapiro, March 15, 2008
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/obamas_23_years_of_silence.html

    This is a quiz.

    Question 1

    Imagine that person A hears person B give sermons which are filled with hatred for the U.S.A., include an exhortation to sing “God Damn American” rather than “God Bless America and claim that the U.S. deserved the 9/11 attack, speeches which accuse the nation of creating the AIDS crisis to destroy Africa, speeches which include diatribes such as “”We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We [white America] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life…”

    What is the reason that the Person A does not walk out, does not quit the church, does not publicly or privately chastise the speaker, but silently remains in his seat and comes back for more of the same?

    A. Person A agrees with Person B. Their ideas about the United States are basically similar.
    B Person A slept through 23 years of sermons and didn’t hear these statements.
    C. Person A does not have the courage to confront Person B.

    The media has been asking Barack Obama this question, and he strongly denies having the some of the same opinions as his pastor. We don’t know precisely which ones the two men don’t hold in common, but let’s be generous and not attribute distain for the U.S. for the man who wants to assume the presidency. So let’s eliminate option A.

    Obama is praised for his ability to be a good listener and would not sleep through hundreds of sermons by a man he considers his “mentor” and “spiritual guide.” Wright did not make his outrageous comments once or twice; they appear in dozens and dozens of his sermons which ABC recently purchased. Obama must have hade a hint of Wright’s controversial harangues as he told a Wright, “You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.”

    That eliminates option B.

    The most benign reason would be that Barack Obama avoids confrontation even in the midst of the ugliest provocations. Wait! What does that say for his character if he cowers before belligerence and hate? Doesn’t Obama promise that one of his first acts as president would be talks with Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? If Obama couldn’t muster the courage to speak up on behalf of decency and unity when he faced his minister, what will he do when Ahmadinejad launches similar missiles of hate against the U.S, and Israel? Will he politely let evil take the day?

    Obama and his spokespeople are attacking the questioners and offering a variety of convoluted explanations for his silence. The fact is, there is no good answer to that question.

  • What could be moe important than this revelation. The reality is we know precious little about the person we make president. What better insight than the views of a person Obama has considered a montor for 20 years. Clearly the statements by Rev. Wright are heartfelt views that had to have been apparent to all who knew him well.

    Put this together with the statement we all remember that his wife made about being proud to be an American.

    The greatness of America is that we respect the right of people to have all sorts of views. Obama is entitled his views. It is America’s right to decide if we want those views in the White House.

  • pj said:
    Interesting article…

    Yawn….
    What’s interesting about a republican-racist hack piece?

    I got good news for you sonny boy:

    The world is fast growing tired of this story.
    And… Barack Obama is going to be the Dem nominee and the nest president of the USA.

    You lost again….
    Get over it.
    [insert digitus impudicus here]

  • Although most pundits have cast this “pastor” controversy primarily in a racial context, the broader issue here is one of Obama’s judgment. Obama has described his pastor as a friend and spiritual advisor of many years – an advisor who cries out from the pulpit “God Dam America”.

    Obama had many years to distance himself fully and totally refute his pastor’s on-going anti-American and bigoted comments yet he chose not to until the recent release of videos forced his hand. Another “bone-headed mistake” again showing his lack of experience?

    Many would argue that it is fair to judge a man by the company he keeps and the advisors he chooses. What does it say as to Obama’s ability to judge when he praises such an advisor? Given Obama’s slim record and a clear need to rely on experienced advisors that he must select moving forward, this latest revelation should bring serious pause to those who consider Obama presidential timber.

  • In July 2007 reporter Jim Davis of Newsmax attended Wrights church and wrote the following in August:

    …”Wright’s strong sentiments were echoed in the Sunday morning service attended by NewsMax.

    Wright laced into America’s establishment, blaming the “white arrogance” of America’s Caucasian majority for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers to the country as the “United States of White America.” Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded in apparent agreement as these statements were made.
    ******
    http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml?s=lh
    This places Obama in the pews while hate speech was being spewed. He did not walk out…he nodded “in apparent agreement”. Game over.

  • I personally don’t know why there isn’t a thorough investigation of Obama. Actually I can’t understand how he could show his face with all the controversy that surrounds him. His acquaintances and supporters are frightening. Show me your friends and I will show you who you are………..

    He has lied, deceived and misrepresented himself to the American people on more that one occasion..

    1.) Rezko, the criminal from Chicago:
    Obama said during a debate that he only did a few hours of work. Obama in fact purchased a home from him and obtained campaign money from Rezko. First it was only 100000 now it’s over 200000. Just a few hours? He really doesn’t know him?

    2.) Reverend Wright, Obama’s Minister:
    Obama said that he denounced his teachings when he spoke about the United States and had some racial comments against Hillary Clinton. Obama attended this church and knew the man for 20 years. This minister married Obama and baptized his children. How could he not know about this man’s beliefs United Trinity Church in Chicago has a “black value system” on their web site. Isn’t that enough? Obama is to be the one that brings America together? Deception.

    3.) Louis Farrakhan, a radical Islamic: Obama said he denounce him during the debate. After the debate Louis Farrakhan told 20,000 people in Chicago asking the group to ignore what Obama says and still support him. No response from Obama except that during the debate Obama said that he couldn’t help who supported him. Farrakhan is a radical leader as evil as a leader of the KKK.

    4.) Canada NAFTA: Obama says that he never knew that one of his top officials was talking to the Canadian government about NAFTA. Later, Obama made some excuse for his not being aware. Deception.

    5.) Muslim Name: Obama said I am not a Muslim. But Obama didn’t say that his father was a Muslim. His name is not a common American name, Barack Hussein Obama. Deception

    6.) Michelle Obama states that this is the first time I have been proud to be an American. Obama said she didn’t mean it. Why say it? Deception

    6.) Lou Dobbs and Immigration-Fear Mongering: Obama has made false statements about Lou Dobbs and doesn’t apologize or clarify his statements. The ACLU won’t talk to Lou about his views on immigration. Obama has attacked Lou Dobbs on several occassions and refused to discuss it. Obama sounds like he’s reading from fear mongering. Complete deception.

    7.) Health Care: Obama says he wants Universal Health care but denies that he will not cover 5 million Americans. He never mentions that to the American people.
    This is just a sampling that really needs to be stressed to Americans, especially the youth that think of Obama like an American Idol, a rock star.

    Please help the American people understand the many issues that should be addressed about the candidates. These issues should be kept in the forefront, for the safety of our country and for the many young Americans that are so vulnerable.

    This is SERIOUS.

  • BOTTOMLINE: Politicians have to compromise (lie). Messiah’s deal in truth. Obama may be president, but messiah? Like it or ignore it, that’s my job.

  • I think this recent revelation requires that we look further into Obama campaign “facts”. Was he raised at all by his grandparents? How well off were they ( was he as poor as he claimed)? Exactly why did he go to Harvard leaving the slum neighborhoods while working with the poor (or for the same reason as most of us–to better ourselves). (He claims it was so he could better help the poor). How much did he use it to help the poor; and if he wanted to really help the poor why did he spend so much of his earnings on himself and wife. Did he have Affirmative Action help him get into Harvard because of efforts by people like Hillary Clinton who during and after her college times ACTIVELY worked for helping minorities get into Ivy League schools ( varified in Carl Bernstein’s book on Senator Clinton). Why do Obama and his supporters call Mrs. Clinton and Ferraro rich white women when Mrs. Obama is a rich Black woman who lives in an expensive house well above the level of us “poorer “folks”. Incidently I find this term offensive and racist (the word is “person(s)). If you review his speeches from his state congressional days you will be surprised to learn much of what he says is a repeat of these speeches including the need for “now” often verbatum! I could go on but I think you should be getting the drift!

  • After hearing about the comments of the “so-called” Reverend Wright and reading all the posts here. I am more worried about the problems that this country is about to face. I agree with the statement that America brought 9/11 upon itself because of it’s radical stands on things that are so vehemently opposed throught the rest of the world. I also was ready to join the military to defend my country (however, unable due to sports related injury that made it impossible).

    I myself also came to a religious background upon my own free choosing because of being raised in a secular background in a single parent home as a minority in this country. I am now a well-educated man who had to fight to get where I am without the help that the Democratic Party so easily wanted to give minorities. This is why this “non-story” that some would like to call it disgusts me. Many are right that the comments made by the “so-called” Reverend Wright should not be associated with the man Barrack Obama; however, the fact that he considers Wright to be an ADVISOR of any kind and stayed in a church for 20 years and claims to have such a strong faith in Jesus Christ; however, knew nothing of the hateful tendencies of his long-time pastor, friend, and mentor is outright LYING to save his own status. He threw the man under the bus because he got caught, like any other politician. I have been to the Trinity United Church of Christ website and it does preach hate and seperation and there is no way that Obama was non the wiser to this. He is a liar, Clinton is a liar, McCain is a liar…it comes with the territory of being a politician, race does not matter.

    And to those who try to quote from the Bible….STOP PROOF-TEXTING!! and learn how to interpret the Word divinely. Vote for whoever you want, but there will be no CHANGE as it is promised by any of the candidates. This is because anyone who would be right for the position would never get the backing necessary to run. For all those so quick to jump on the National Deficit bandwagon, we have been in a defecit, and will always be in a deficit, because so many people are so willing to give there money to people who will increase the deficit instead of using that money raised to pay off the deficit!

  • Everyone is influenced to some degree by their immediate surroundings, daily interactions with friends and coworkers and family members, i.e their “speech communities” (ala Dell Hymes 1965-67). People speak a certain way as a result. The pastor is a member of a diverse group of pastors who deliver sermons with a certain emphasis that may be alien to folks. I suggest that people visit one from time to time to understand from their point of view before they cast judgment or jump to conclusions.
    If people trully want to find out who Obama is, don’t wait, I suggest you read his books from his own words, i.e. Dreams of My Father, and Audacity of Hope, or visit his website, http://www.BarackObama.com. If you rely on the Media to deliver your interpretations of candidates, then you will be heavily misguided, because they do nothing more than distort the facts based on which way the political moods swing – it’s profitable. If the topic is about racial connotations based on information that they somehow dig up, then they do not stop until a candidate answers it.
    The media is pretty tricky to see through, but I trust everyone here is smarter than them. I’m hoping that no one here is actually racist or misogynist, I trust we are all simply engrossed with the unfolding political drama and are genuinely concerned. Let’s loosen up a bit, and demand that the Media start reporting about the candidate’s issues, and not about the dead issues of racism and sexism.

  • WHAT’S NEXT? An address to the nation with Obama surrounded by preist (white & black), rabis, mullah’s, munks, bishops, wickens, ad nauseum, to reassure a troubled electorate. (If we laugh it’s over, so don’t expect any smiles.)

    [400+ COMMENTS: Wow, like the New York State Throughway’s closed, man!]

  • I find it moronic that people say “racism is alive and well” since I will no longer vote for Obama and that I truly never supported him. I am not prejudice and suggest those who pass the blame sweep their own sidewalks first.
    Obama should have nipped this in the bud long ago and not doing so will cost him the Presidency. He has nobody to blame but himself.
    We need to focus on what is best for this country and at this point standing together behind the only viable candidate, Hillary Clinton, is what is best for our country. The truth about Barack and his personal beliefs are out and cannot be taken back.
    Until this week I was an Obama supporter. I am now registered on Hillary’s web site and will volunteer and support her if need be. I live in Denver where the DNC will be meeting this year.
    Welcome to the White House Hillary!

  • Wake-up everyone. Sean Hannity and the republicans are swift-boating Barack Obama. When they have turned everyone against Obama they will focus on Hillary and her many problems -Peter Paul, Norman Hsu, Taxes, White House papers from her years as first lady, Bill’s impeachment, etc. They haven’t forgotten about these issues. Their strategy is to remove the strongest
    threat to John McCain first, and then they will work on swift-boating Hillary next.
    When will we learn to recognize their tactics.
    Remember in 2004 when the Bush supporters chanted…”4 more, 4 more”?
    Well we just might have “4 more”.

  • This is an interesting development here. A person who is intelligent like Rev. Wright Jr., pastor for last 30 yrs makes comments against America, then its a least possibility that he is having a bad day and just going crazy, raging out anger in church. A person this intelligent, has so much in his portfolio must be beliving what he said “G D America”. This person has a lot of hatred about America, about whites. Now wait a minute we all doom him because we agree that this person truly believes that America is an evil spirited country and God should doom America.
    Now what about Barak? If I were Barak…
    If I go to church for 20 years. I love the pastor. I account him as a close relative.. as an Uncle to be specific. I declare him as spiritual advisor. I write a book from my Pastors’ comments. I write down his comments in my book. Pastor baptize my children, pastor vowes me in my marriage. How can I say that whatever this pastor says.. I dont believe in.. I dont agree in what he says?
    The thing is Pastor is an influential person in a church. If he is not he wont be a pastor. If a pastor believes in something, he would try to put these thoughts in church goers. Barak is one of them. Its hard to believe that this pastor never showed this side of him to Barak. Its difficult to believe that in 20 years of relationship, Barak never heard him saying these things. Its difficult to believe Barak does not follow the same line of thought. Any person who fundamentally does not believe in some other persons’s thoughts/beliefs would immediately distance himself from that person. What took Barak 20 years to do so? Oh well it took him to run for presidency and denounce..(well denounce and reject) his pastor.
    Counclusion is, one can reject what he/she has heard/made to believe in all of a sudden. Its almost like I was christian for 20-25 years and all of a sudden I am a Muslim. Things dont go that way.
    At last, Barak said about Hillary and NAFTA..
    “You can not take credit for Good things that happened in Clinton Admin and reject bad things. You have to take responsibility of both”
    Should we say same thing here??
    One can not be president of a country with hatred in his/her heart of very own people of the country. You have to love everybody for who they are and for who they are not.

  • Brian, I am concerned with your remarks. You say that “Obama should have nipped this in the bud along time ago.” Well, consider the logistics behind actually acknowledging all of the things that stupid people uttered in your past. Pretty remarkable if you think about it. Are we trully held responsible for not acknowledging the stupidity of others. Even then, who am I to consider these hypothetical people to be stupid? Let’s set our prejudices aside and move on with ourselves.

  • One thing I like about Obama voters is that they are able to see past the smoke and mirrors, the tactics against him and the constant derision. They tend to be educated and unable to be dissuaded. Join the Movement.

  • Obama knew of this moron’s stupidity when he was called on the question of his church’s homophobia, but it was perfectly FINE then. He was allowed to still be connected to the campaign. It’s ONLY when race is brought up that it’s unacceptable speech?

    Mark my words – Gays out there – if you support Obama – you’re supporting someone who’ll stab you in the back.

  • “Are we trully held responsible for not acknowledging the stupidity of others?”

    Yes, if you’re running for President and you have those people in your campaign and they’re speaking for you at your prompting.

    “who am I to consider these hypothetical people to be stupid?”
    The politician who’s relying on those stupid people to be representing you, that’s who.

    “consider the logistics behind actually acknowledging all of the things that stupid people uttered in your past”

    The statements that this “man of God” has made hasn’t been made years and years ago – some of these alarming statements have been made recently. We were told to shut up about them because it was Obama’s church and his Faith, and that’s supposed to be “off limits”.

    Apparently Obama’s deft sidestepping of embarrassment is a bit rusty, or he’d have been able to keep the waltz going a bit longer. Instead, he’s shown us that he really doesn’t have the experience needed to be supreme executive.

  • @ 16 Comeback Bill said “You just don’t get it. There goes the independent vote”

    What you just don’t get is that Hillary NEVER HAD and never WILL HAVE the independent vote. NEVER, period.

  • Tynkyr Belle: If one is homophobic, who am I to say that they are wrong in their judgment? They are who they are, and it is not a crime to think a certain way. Also, the first Amendment lets us speak our minds in this secular society, as you can see from the posts here. This free thinking ability is not much different from Mr. Wright’s practice. What is different, is your perception of that social context that pastor Wright uttered those words. Have you ever been to a sermon like that? The pastor’s can get rather emphatic in their delivery. When I think of it, his remarks are trully no different than mine or my fathers when we are yelling at MSNBC or CNN TV together. Think about it, the views of the pastor do not equate to Obama’s views, he has already denounced them and separated himself from them.

  • As I read thru the above blogs, some were very interesting, some disgusting, many racist (sad)> I came here to get an inkling of what others were thinking about the controvercy boiling about Senator Obama…..I KNOW how I feel due to the fact that I am a HRC supporter….there I’v said it and am proud of it just as BHO supporters feel. about their decision. My decision to speak @ all ( I don’t usually blog) is due to the fact of the importance of this race (as we all know) All I see here is so disheartning. First of all, I can’t understand why people would want someone to lead our country with the influence of a racist hateful pastor?mentor for 20 years. ( No need to reply I have read it ALL above) Second, HRC IS NOT A BITCH! , C++T, MAN HATER ect,,,,,Third don,t lay this mess in the Clinton camps. lap as so many other misguided comments have tried to do . Whatever happens in the upcoming campaigne remember this do you really want 4 more years of BUSH LITE or someone untrustworthy as BOH running this country… its your individual decision

  • Wright was prophetic – he saw this coming way back in 2007 – but Barack kept him on his campaign even though he agreed with him!

    “If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Wright told The New York Times with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said ‘yeah, that might have to happen.'”

  • George Dembo: I’m sorry someone “told you to shut about them.” I would see this as a challenge. He did the right thing and denounced those words, rightly so. BUT, they were not Obama’s words. It is easy to associate the pastor’s defamatory remarks to somehow influence Obama’s thinking, which is clearly not the case if you read his own words in his books. I love how everyone wants to be a clever FBI agent and prove that he is guilty by association. This is rediculous to presuppose a connection like that, and this line of rationale is not much different than being prejudice of someone because of their traditional garb or skin color.

  • This is not just Obama’s pastor, Obama appointed him to his election committee AFTER he knew that Wright said things like, “god d*mn america”, “AIDS was invented by whites to kill blacks”, etc. This is someone Obama put in a position of influence and authority in his campaign, not just some bumbling old uncle. Why isn’t Obama addressing the question of why he put this hate mongering person on his election committee?

  • James: Do you trully know that Obama appointed him on his election committee, and that he knew everything the pastor was saying during his sermons? Where are your sources on that, dare I ask?

  • This almost sounds like an Al sharpton , pointing out all the problems of the usa on white people while the poor innocent black man can change it all.We are all equal in the sight of GOD , i can believe a man whom is supposed to preach(fropm the pulpit) about a loving GOD has soooo much hate .I can’t imagine that this is the first time Obama has heard negitivism against white/our country from this man in the last 20 yrs.

  • Obama has defended himself rather well actually. Too bad he has to keep reminding the cynics in his own defense, because it just doesn’t seem to stick with the people who just don’t seem to get it. Is there anything wrong with pointing out problems with the USA? I think it’s high time we fix the darn thing before it spins out of its perpetual degenerating chaos. There’s a pattern bro and it’s not good.

  • Obama can honestly sit on TV and say he was never in the congregation when this guy was spewing his hate and expect us to actually BELIEVE that? Sorry – there are just far too may instances of hate speech from this hate monger to believe Obama missed that many sermons. And then even after he found out about at least one of the hateful sermons (blaming the US for 911), Obama still put the guy on his campaign. And even yesterday he was on Fox saying that he disagrees with what the pastor said from time to time, but he won’t distance himself?? Sorry – but if I knew anyone that spewed that kind of hatred, I wouldn’t even let my dog in the same room – much less my wife (who seems to believe the same way the pastor does), my kids or anyone else. That Obama is friends with this guy – calls him “an Uncle like mentor” leaves a lot to consider about his judgement.

  • My gosh…you all sound so immature…first off…if and I say if….there is any one true christian in here…and I mean what christianity means..they wouldnt be judging Obama or Michelle. It is not our place to judge ….that is God’s job. And people wonder why many dont go to church…they are so filled with religious hypocrites that dont follow what the bible tells us…but instead think they are above and all=knowing of peoples hearts and faith. You all sicken me. I would be proud to vote for Barrack Obama. And to the man in north carolina who needs help in deciding…I wouldnt hesitate to endorse Obama one bit. Yes Bill Clintons approval rating was 60%…but the Clintons left the democratic party in shambles…with all the scandal and so on. We were unable to get a democratic president in since then. Sorry…I dont want that again. Been there done that already.

  • Oh and I am getting sick of hearing “Obama exposed his kids to those sermons”. Any idiot knows children dont go to adult services…they go to childrens church. So learn the facts before you say them. And so what if he was in there when his pastor may have said something he didnt approve of. Does that mean he is going to go out and do the things his pastor says. Obama has never shown to have the belief of his pastor. So time to grow up.

  • Tom…yes its a loving god…but unfortunately he gave man free will…and with that free will we as humans make many many mistakes. You included Tom. If you can say you have never listened or been with someone you didnt agree with…then wow Tom you must be that perfect person. It’s a miracle!!!!!!

  • As for me, I am able to disagree with what people say from time to time, but I can still recognize them as human beings with a certain set of ideals and beliefs that make them who they are. I know that MLK said judge people by the content of their character, but even still – I am constantly checking myself before I judge anyone, i.e. I always take the social and cultural context into account. Even then, I still find it difficult to ever judge another, because I know that there is always something that I am not informed of. I don’t know about you, but I try to find the good in everyone, and constantly remind myself of them associated with the good.
    This is what enables Barack to have the character that he has, he is a good man that is able to understand other people’s biases, to differ with them, but is in no way influenced by those people. He is a free thinker, and is able to do, what I am afraid not many on this post can do.

  • I have a question to Daniel. He suggested to read Obama’s books or his website to learn more about the Obama. It sounds like “Read my Resume or Autobiography” when someone ask you for references during your job’s interview.
    Mark Twain once provided his enemies list as reference during his job interview. That is plausible because he can not be worse than what his worst enemies think he was. For most of us, we do not want to go this hard way. But it is fair to say friends around us can be a good reference of who we are.
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  • Daniel = One of the most interesting and thoughtful writers here. Keep up the good work and great thoughts. Barack is lucky to have you in his corner and we here, war-weary and cynical, are lucky to have such a calming voice of reason in the midst of this madness. Thanks!

  • Daniel,

    Are you actually questioning whether or not Wright was on Obama’s one of Obama’s election commitees?

    MSNBC – By Alex Johnson
    Reporter
    MSNBC
    updated 9:09 p.m. ET, Fri., March. 14, 2008

    “Obama’s campaign announced that the minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., had left its spiritual advisory committee after videotapes of his sermons again ignited fierce debate in news accounts and political blogs. ”

    And yes, Obama himself states on HIS posting ” When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign.”

    So I’m not sure what your point or question was. As shown above, Obama knew that Wright was making hatemongering statements, and yet he put him on his campaign committee. He now wants to focus on why he didn’t quit the church, which is a good question but not the important one. The question he won’t address is why he put such a clear and vocal racially divisive person on his campaign committee. He NEEDS TO ADRESS THIS QUESTION!

  • Obama will say and do anything to become president even throw is mentor for twenty years into the trash can. But, I bet you If he becomes president Wright will be there sleeping in the Lincoln room If Michelle hasn’t changed the name to the MLK room.

    ACTIONS SPEAK LOUD No hand over his heart during the pledge shows Wright’s influence and Yes even a pin made in China shows Wright’s influence when Obama STOPPED wearing it.

  • I am sorry you think he should be forgiven,any pastor that preaches this way and Obamaaa been going there for 20 years,Obamaa is wrong,Even if I was going to vote for him I would never now because there is no way I will ever believe that in all of the 20 years,he,his wife and chilred have not heard this before.I as an american and it doesnt matter what color you are could never be in a church with someone who feels that way about any human being,therefore I do not believe Obamaa should be given a pass on this one,he should resign from the senate and resign from the effort to become president.To me this is far worse than anything that has to do with sex,legal or unlegal because those people dont hate their country only themselves.So if you want to give Obamaa a free ride,God help all of us “‘I can never be proud of Obamaa ,but I am always proud of my country.

  • “… if I had thought that that was the message being promoted… within that church, I don’t think I could be a consistent part of it,” Obama says. Groucho said it best when he muttered, “I don’t care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.” Mr. Obama, how long have you been a member of this church? 20 years. Have you been a consistent member? Yes. For twenty years? Yes. Do you know this preacher? Is he a good friend? Yes, he’s my spiritual leader. Leader in a sense you follow him? Yes. Thank you, that will be all… How could Obama be a life-long member of this church, have his marriage blessed by and his children baptized by this “preacher” and not know what message he was preaching. That’s like eating peanut butter for the last 20 years and not knowing it was made from peanuts. Oh, really, well I guess I’m lucky I’m not allergic to peanuts. Either Obama’s a liar, or he’s an idiot who doesn’t listen very well. As a veteran, I find this preacher and Obama’s relationship disturbing if not despicable. If Obama wins the nomination, I will vote for McCain. I don’t trust Obama when he hides his connection to Mr. Wright (or, in this case Mr. Wrong). I believe the facade has finally been cracked, and there is more than just this revelation to Obama’s seedy side. Too good to be true; too ambiguous to be “found out.” I’m coming to believe that many will find out they have been duped by this paper tiger. BUT, the best part of this is the how the “SUPER-DUPER DELAGATES” appear. They have been supremely conned by Obama. Can’t wait ’till the “chickens come home to roost” during the elections for their political seats 🙂 Crash and burn and only the good die young. Indeed, calling 9/11 as a vengeance against America. G/D America?!?!? (Kinda sounds like Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, no? or Osama.) Why doesn’t Rev. Idiot Wright and Obama go back to Kenya? Maybe they won’t have to worry about 9/11 or God blessing America! Obama, I have one thing to tell you:
    *Show me who your friends are, I’ll TELL you what you are.* Oh, and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

  • Daniel

    To say we are uneducated if we do not follow or defend Obama is ludicrous. This man is running for President of The United States, not a Boy Scout Leader (although I wouldn’t want him to influence my child either).
    If you don’t believe Barack knew the views of his pastor/mentor/friend for the past 20 years and did not in some way agree with his views, maybe it is you that needs to open your eyes to prejudism. You talk about Baracks character. Knowing his friends/mentors/pastor/uncle’s views, and he still puts him on his campaign committee? Come on Daniel, the “front” you portray to try to keep people from seeing the actions of Barack Obama is certainly apparent to me. And I am a highly educated citizen of this country ONLY looking out for what I believe is in its best interests. I don’t vote for people based on the color of their skin or what does or does not hang between their legs. Perhaps you should do the same.

  • Obama,

    Please use judgment to lead your resignation into the proper hands — not the same judgment that led you to 20 years of association with your spiritual mentor. Your acolytes need help.

    PS: Poster Daniel please get help.

  • This could very well be the end of Baracks political life altogether.
    Thank God for revealing the truth!

  • Won’t vote for Barak:

    – he has yet to establish that he is not a Muslim. His alleged invovlement with his current Baptist church to convince us that he is not a Muslim is weak given his answers to Mr. Far’s support during his debate and his ministers comments that he previously failed to denounce

    -no substance during the debates, only rhetoric

    -inexperience

  • Yes why doesnt obamaa answer this question,he knew the kind of preacher he wsmhe said so ,so why put him on the religous committee,?/this is one he hasnt answ.Oh well you know what,I never go on these things and it just not worth my time,because the nuts in this world will vote for Obamaa,.anyway,you people are all wlking around with your eyes and ears shut.God help us all,oh thats right Obamaa has been taught to hate america and yes all people except black people,he is using this as another race tactic trying to get people to feel sorry for him,he has been so mistreated,well my vote goes to Hilary or McCain.

  • During the recent days, it has been quite interesting to see how issues have arisen with regard to Barack Obama’s pastor, Dr. Wright.

    Unfortunately, due to a history of racism in America, many ministers and theologians in the African American community have taken the position that places great emphasis on a black theology. This ideology is not limited to Pastor Wright. It is more rampant than one might expect.

    Having worked with inner city youth in New York for 4 years, I co-wrote a book with my twin brother that addresses the subject of identity. Our book, Uncovering the Hidden Stranger Within: Answering the Question of Identity, deals with the mindset of individuals like Rev. Wright, who have developed a reactionary Theology, that is not Bible-based. In one section of our book (pages 28-34); we address this issue of the erroneous Afro-centric gospel.

    It is our hope that this subject, having come to the limelight, will further promote healthy dialogue to address this aberrant ideology.

    OT
    http://www.vflm.org/uncover.html

  • I agree with Val. I am so glad someone else recognizes the ruthlessness of
    Sean Hannity and his swift-boat attack on Barack Obama. Should we judge Alan
    Colmes by his association with Sean Hannity?

  • Ponderonit and Val,

    So should we just focus on all of the good Spitzer has done and overlook his few “indescretions” with a very young prostitute. We can show lots of clips of the good things he has done and the criminals Spitzer brought to justice. Same logic applies.

  • Senator Obama is running for president to fright for the African American people. That is good but not if the fight becomes against the rest of us.
    He must think that the American people are going to believe him no matter what is said about him. My eyes are open-and NO ONE can tell me after 20 years Barack Obama did not know what his pastor was preaching! NO ONE can tell me he( Barack Obama) did not agree with his 20 year leader! No ONE would follow a leader that they did not have faith in. NO ONE would belong to a church if they did not like that church and the leader of that church.
    NO ONE SHOULD VOTE for A MAN LIKE THIS AS LEADER.
    If he truly did not know what his pastor’s beliefs were-after 20 years-he is not in touch with reality, We need the next president to be in touch with all of the american people and understand what is going on in the world.
    If he knew it-SHAME ON HIM!
    IF HE DID NOT KNOW IT-SHAME ON HIM!
    There are allot of african americans who blame the white race for their troubles. They have real issues and are right but they no not hate America and are strong protectors of this country.
    The African American people should stand up to this man and tell him -they need a leader who will bring healing and peace to our nation and he is not the man.
    I wish we could change our vote for leader as easily as Sen. Obama change his vote for his leader!!!

  • Obama will never be elected. He may win the Dem nomination but will lose so big it will be breathtaking. Just like the win of the moral majority the middle class, working class, Hispanics etc. will go with McCain.If any of you are deluded enough to think after hearing these tapes over and over again any of these groups will vote for this man you are just nuts.
    These tapes show Obama to be from a community that is hostile to anyone not black.It wasn’t just the minister saying these things. Its the images of the congregation jumping up and down and high fiving each other. This is an obviously very racist anti white congregation. Just look at their reaction to his sermons. These are young people and older people. This is not a generational thing – it is the poisonous environment they have created in their community. It comes out in antisemitism, anti Hispanic, anti immigrant anti whitey.This is not your typical church. It is an Afrocentric racist church and he has been a member for 20 years.
    This man is finished – he will never be President.

  • Sorry, but if you continue to make the same mistake for twenty years, it’s not going to be fixed overnight by a six-hundred word statement, a wink and a nod. Now if a six-hundred word statement actually contained useful information likely to imperil you, then that would be legitimate. But simply denying there’s a problem when confronted by angry potential voters, and after twenty years of this pastor (what? did he fall asleep in church every week?!) and having a wife who “misspoke” saying pretty much the same thing as the pastor leads me to believe that the first step to fixing this might be to recognize that there is a problem.

  • “change, we’ll be getting if he’s elected president. the white house turns ghetto, black crime will increase in record levels. if you think blacks have an attitude now, you haven’t seen anything yet. just wait till they have one of their own in the white house running the country. if you think they get in your face now, just wait.”

    TR When I compare and contrast these statements with the statements of Rev. Wright I don’t see much difference. They are both racially charged and inflammatory and I would not vote for anyone who held either of these views or supporters of those views. However in your statement you said the following;

    “Wow. Thanks for reminding me one of the many reasons why I support Obama. If an ignorant racist fuck like you is against him, he must be doing something right.”

    Think about what your defending.

  • Racists come in all shapes and colors, as do hatemongers:

    “God will destroy America by the hands of the Muslims….God will not give Japan or Europe the honor of bringing down the United States; this is an honor God will bestow upon Muslims.” – Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farrakhan

    “White people are potential humans…they haven’t evolved yet.”- Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farrakhan

    “White America got their wake-up call after 9-11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” – Rev Jeremiah Wright

    “The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the PALESTINIANS have lived because of Zionism.” -Rev Jeremiah Wright.

    Barack Obama in his book Dreams of My Father says he ” …found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.”

    Again, from Dreams of my Father: “The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”
    -Barack Obama

    Also from Dreams of My Father: “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “White people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.” –Barack H Obama

    Again in Dreams Of My Father: “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to thr black masses, to strike out and name names” -Barack Hussein Obama

  • Barack Obama and the Euphoria of Madness — Keeping It Real

    By Larry Pinkney, Black Commentator Editorial Board, Thurs., Feb. 7, 2008

    Those who ignore reality and the lessons of history do so at their own peril. Ignoring reality, whether in a state of euphoria or not, is nonetheless a sure recipe for disaster.

    It is both sad and simultaneously horribly fascinating to observe so many euphorically pinning their hopes and dreams on Barack Obama, a chameleon who speaks liberally of “change” but who is, himself, beholden to the very same blood-sucking corporate vampires (including Lockheed and others) who are ravaging the peoples of America, and the entire planet. It seems we have moved euphemistically from Dracula to a corporately repackaged Blackula in the person of Barack Obama. In the very name of “change,” Obama is moving America euphorically backwards.

    All of America, but most especially we Black, Brown, and Red peoples, need to pay heed to the unfolding debacle known as the “Obama phenomenon.” This so-called “phenomenon” is propelled by blind euphoria, while being steeped in double-speak and disinformation. The danger in this is self-evident.
    Never mind that Barack Obama is a stalwart supporter of apartheid / corporate Zionism and is beholden to the Zionist corporate lobby in the US, which wags the people of America as a whole to the tune of billions upon billions of dollars from the coffers of this nation. It should be noted that Barack Obama made it quite clear in The Jerusalem Post newspaper (Israel) of January 29, 2008, that the Palestinian people whose lands are, and have long been, illegally and militarily occupied by Israel, “do not have the right of return.”

    Similar to the wanton genocide that America carried out against the indigenous, so-called “Indian” peoples on this North American continent under the cover of Manifest Destiny, so it is that the Zionists are simultaneously carrying out de facto apartheid and genocide against the Palestinian people. Black, Red, and Brown peoples should pay close attention to this horrible reality, which is supported by Barack Obama, and no amount of Obama double-speak can obfuscate this outrage. Black Americans must realize unequivocally that every Israeli or Jewish person is not necessarily a Zionist, just as every German was not necessarily a Nazi (Adolph Hitler in fact also murdered thousands of non-Jewish Germans who opposed him). However, make no mistake about this: Nazism, Zionism, and apartheid are inextricably tied together.

    Moreover, it should be clearly understood that Semitic peoples include both Arab and Jewish peoples, including Palestinians. Thus, the constant tactic of depicting any who criticize the actions of Zionists as being “anti-Semitic,” is inaccurate, diversionary, and ridiculous. Barack Obama is deeply beholden to apartheid / corporate Zionism at the expense of the Palestinian people and peace with justice throughout the so-called Middle East.

    Never mind that Barack Obama, contrary to corporate myth, was never in reality a so-called grassroots, political, “community activist,” but was in fact a financially paid, funded, and comfortable opportunist who did not lay his life on the line in any serious manner for disenfranchised people. Moreover, his alleged “volunteer” work in Chicago was anything but the stuff of legend in serving the people, though one would never learn this from his current supporters in the corporate media. Indeed, Barack Obama is himself the beneficiary of the many serious and committed women and men grassroots, political, community activists who went before him, and who often paid for their activism by tortuous jail/prison time and/or death. Serious community activism is no joke and will never be hailed or supported by corporations or the corporate media.
    Never mind that Barack Obama has indicated both verbally and in writing that he favors “unilateral” US military actions against other nations, which is both dangerously absurd and in direct contravention and flagrant violation of international law. Notwithstanding the constant double-speak of Barack Obama, his admiration for Ronald Reagan (who despised US working men and women and who unilaterally militarily invaded the tiny Black nation of Grenada), and his warm relationship with William Daley of the infamous and racist Daley political machine in Chicago, should, at bare minimum, give people of good will (of all colors) serious pause for thought.

    Nevertheless, and despite all of the foregoing, there are those who insist, regarding Barack Obama: “At least he’s black!” Is he? What is Blackness and what does it really mean in America? And how is being bamboozled, pimped, and disenfranchised by a black person any better than being emaciated by a person of any other color? Think about it as if your very life depends on it, because, ultimately, it may.

    The January 31, 2008, Daily Sun of Nigeria, in an article entitled, “Barack Obama May Win, But He’s No African American,” poignantly stated, in relevant part: “There are several fundamental issues that must be clarified to understand the importance of Obama’s candidacy. First of all, strictly speaking Barack Obama is not an African-American – but an African who is American. He’s not a descendant of the enslaved Africans who built America without reward or respect for their contributions. But there is a side to his character that well-illustrates the differences between himself and the average ‘Black American.’ For instance, when speaking of his heritage he points proudly to his living relatives [in Kenya]. He doesn’t have the burden or challenge of discussing how his ancestors overcame prejudice within the very society he’s striving to rule. He doesn’t have to refer to the disenfranchisement and dehumanization of his ancestors when he speaks of the legacy that he represents.” Nor does he have or relate to the collective suffering and ongoing struggle of a physically and emotionally brutalized Black America.

    Many Black Americans and our Brown and Red sisters and brothers will, I fear, come to be deeply disappointed in Barack Obama, once he demonstrates who he really is. There will be no peace or justice under an Obama Presidency, should such come to pass. Even the majority of white Americans, with the exception of the corporate liberals and conservatives, may yet come to realize that Obama’s interests are corporate interests; they are not the needs and interests of everyday people, who represent the overwhelming majority of this nation and the world.

    It must be reiterated that the Democrat and Republican Parties have consistently sold out Black, Red, Brown, Yellow, and White peoples in America. There is no doubt that the blind euphoria being experienced by those who are presently not critically thinking – is also being experienced by the elite of the US corporate/military/media apparatus – except that their euphoria is not blind. It is callous, calculating, and cold-blooded.

    We need to be about the business of thinking and acting outside the box and building political parties that are outside the box, parties that serve the economic, social, and political interests of the masses of people. This is precisely why the candidacy of former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney for President and the Power To The People Coalition is of such enormous importance for the present and for the future. This coalition is all about collectively laying the foundation for systemic change – which is the only way that we can enjoy real change.

    Blind euphoria notwithstanding, those who ignore reality and the lessons of history, do so at their own peril. Now, more than ever, is the time to be critical thinkers, not blind followers.

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    BlackCommentator.com Editorial Board member, Larry Pinkney, is a veteran of the Black Panther Party, the former Minister of Interior of the Republic of New Africa, a former political prisoner and the only American to have successfully self-authored his civil/political rights case to the United Nations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

  • THANK YOU POST # 3 (SEE BELOW), I could not have said it better myself. Wake UP AMERICA!!!! CHANGE your VOTE to the RIGHT CANDIDATE before you all get S U C K E R S and F O O LS WRITTEN all over your foreheads by MR. OBAMA and HIS BANDWAGON CAMPAIGN. DON’T be MADE A F O O L PENNSYLVANIA, NORTH CAROLINA, INDIANA, KENTUCKY, NORTH DAKOTA, PUERTO RICO, SOUTH DAKOTA, MICHIGAN, FLORIDA…… WAKE UP can’t you finally see that Mr. Obama is just another ALL TALK politician who is brainwashing you with CHANGE rhetoric? Yet, he has been listening to a RACIST REVEREND for 20 years who said that we should say “GOD DAMN AMERICA” instead of “GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

    No thank you Mr. Obama with friends like that who needs enemies! So, DAMN your campaign I’m heading to Hillary’s camp…. I will be a FOOL NO LONGER…. your ideas may SOUND GREAT, but have you ever heard the saying…. “Tell me who you are with and I will tell you who you are!” If you have been listening to this REVEREND for 20 years as he SLAMS WHITE PEOPLE, AMERICA, and says that we deserved 911 then you are NO FRIEND OF AMERICA MR. OBAMA. This sounds like the KKK for the AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY. What’s your plan to strip White people of all their rights by the time you get to office to take revenge for all AFRICAN AMERICANS?

    I am so HAPPY that this FRIEND of yours has come to light because this speaks VOLUMES ABOUT YOU MR. OBAMA. As an INDEPENDENT, I was ready to vote for you, but I’m NOT ABOUT TO BETRAY my country for an UNDERCOVER HATER OF AMERICA – YOU! Also, don’t claim you did not know about your REV. racist and words of TREASON to your country, if I heard sermons like that in CHURCH you better believe I would stop going after the first week! I would not wait 20 years later when I’m running for PRESIDENT! HELLO!

    HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT – the ONLY LEGITIMATE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE who actually LOVES our COUNTRY!

    INDEPENDENTS for HILLARY!

    ——————————————————————————————————————-On March 15th, 2008 at 9:31 am, perl said:

    Pastor Wright and Sen. Obama’s relationship:

    Pastor for 20 years,
    Friend, Mentor,
    Spiritual leader,
    Gave inspiration to write a book, ‘Audacity of Hope’,
    Was married by him,
    Baptized two daughters by him,
    Thanked him after he won the Senate seat,
    Consulted him before deciding to run for president,
    Prayed privately with him before announcing his candidacy,
    Member of his campaign team (resigned today),
    And was like an uncle.

    Sen. Obama said that he NEVER HEARD of this kind of comment from the pastor!!

    He used all the correct words, denounce, reject, repudiate, condemn, etc to end the scandle.

    What else could anyone say when the PRESIDENCY of United States is within a grasp.

    Well, you be the judge if Sen. Obama has ‘Judgment to Lead’ (his campaign slogan)!!
    ———————————————————————————————————————

    HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT – the ONLY LEGITIMATE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE who actually LOVES our COUNTRY!

    INDEPENDENTS for HILLARY!

  • You know the problem here is that race has exploited for years to get people elected, so rather than treating people the same and trying to resolve differences in a forthright manner which would lead to healing of old wounds, salt has been poured into those wounds to preserve the voting block instead. Misunderstanding is fostered, nobody is even allowed to talk or offer legitimate criticism about it because it wouldn’t be “politically correct”, so dialog dies and boogie men begin to multiply on both sides. The thing is that at some point a black candidate will want to run and that candidate might just be hip deep in this altered reality view of things, Obama appears to be that candidate.

    I guess we’ll have to stay tuned to see what happens in and after November. It is my fervent hope that people will stop buying the same tired old arguments and will start pulling together to solve some problems, educational competitiveness and having an economy based upon consumer debt come to mind.

    Personally, I’m going to vote for John McCain.

  • A previous blogger mentioned that this story should not be considered relevant due to its being introduced by ‘Republican based media’. I strongly disagree. NewsMax is not Republican based; some of the higher ranked journalists worked with the NYTimes and in Washington. CNN’s Anderson Cooper asked Senator Obama directly if he was present during one of Pastor Wright’s sermons, over the period of time he has been a member, where he presented some of his more controversial dialogue to the congregation. Obama answered that neither he nor Michelle during their attendance heard ANY of the inflammatory comments that were made by Pastor Wright. Anderson’s (quick) surprised look was priceless. He quickly recovered and asked Senator Obama if he was not present, did their fellowship members inform him about the inflammatory comments of a sermon that he missed. Senator Obama said no, that no fellow member did that.

    After the interview, Anderson Cooper discussed Senator Obama’s comments with a three member panel featuring Roland Martin, a minister, and David Gergen. Each had their opinion, but they did essentially agree with David Gergen’s comment that Obama’s comments should be taken at face value. Each understood that the African American church experience can be very different than a Caucasian church. David Gergen made another comment on CNN that has NOT been mentioned again–

    –IF what Obama said regarding not being present (Michelle as well!) during the sermons is true, then as journalists you can look for the facts and determine if this is accurate.

    Since the CNN story and interview, there has been NO other media (including CNN) that has quoted or commented on the ‘investigate the story’ mentioned by David Gergen. It took an investigation to disclose that the Obama camp had a meeting with a Canadian official about NAFTA when, initially, the Obama camp vehemently denied such a meeting took place (based upon the previously mentioned link:

    http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml?s=lh

    It seems that Obama was in the audience during one of the ‘less volatile sermons’; his body language suggested that he agrees with what Pastor Wright said, and that’s disturbing to me. Therefore a simple check into Senator Obama’s comments might be the best way to ascertain if Senator Obama’s statement on CNN (and every other talk show of importance) was accurate. Though this may prove to be difficult, an attempt should be made; Obama’s close association with Pastor Wright (who is retiring and has stepped down within the senator’s campaign) as a ‘mentor’ and ‘spiritual advisor’ essentially suggests that much of his values as a Christian were formed through this association and in fellowship at the congregation. As an African American, I know how being in fellowship with others can aid in one’s spiritual development while studying the Bible (Christian Faith; no disrespect to those who are of different faiths).

    Lastly, though the Clinton camp and McCain camps also have their share of ‘race bashing through surrogates’, Geraldine Ferraro and the ministers endorsing McCain have not been nearly as inflammatory as Senator Obama’s pastor and friend of 20 years. Had Ferraro said if Clinton were a Black Man, then there may be a more level representation in the media—we would see what the media would say about that comment! An African American journalist from NPR stated that Lucky is essentially ‘preparation meets opportunity’, so actually that could possibly describe Senator Obama and his campaign. There has been too much emphasis in media on the subject of race since the New Hampshire primaries (CNN commented that their polls could have been wrong due to ‘not factoring this in’). An article that addresses this (and plenty of other concerns) is provided here:

    http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/PDFfiles/2008Election.pdf

    I would have placed these comments on Cooper360’s blog as well, but it is already closed. Thus, I appreciate the opportunity to post my comments here.

  • Mr. Wright, after years supporting power people without seeing any emprovement and after expriencing all the injustices around the world, he lost self control and said what most of the people around the world think about the US. Americans should take the opportunity to make self-critics to safe their image specially since the Bush administration is in place ! For Palestenians, their life is 9/11 everyday since more than 50 years ! No one can contest the fact that from the slavery period until now, life for black americans is most of time hell ! There is a need the look forward for the next president, I hope will be Barack Obama, to put America on the road of Hope and positive dreams. Only a person who suffered racism & exlusion knows what it is ! It is good for all America and for the World. Yes We Can !

  • speaking of Anderson Cooper’s 360 show, during Obama’s rebuttle, he started to babble a bit, but he did mention “White America” & “Black America” and how they are different, but more importantly calling them by name as if they were 2 different America’s.

    His pastor blamed white for everything for HIV, drugs and poverty in the most hateful way, in a candid moment his wife says how she has never been proud of America before, and now Barack talks about white & black Americas.

    This seperatist view has shown itself, his candidacy is over, the super-delegates will be forced to come out against him now.

  • DID I MENTION OBAMA IS NOT LEAVING THIS RACIST CHURCH?!?!?!?

    This man is not your uncle, and we are not children who will believe anything. You can’t change family, but you CAN change your church, and if you were smart you would have done so before launching your political career.

    I knew something was up when he attempted to denounce Louis Farrakhan’s anti simatic words without rejecting his support, somehow as if to seperate the words from the man himself, and then he made it into a joke.

    Nobody is laughing now, we know who you are Obama.

  • Until this post went up, the comment threads on TCBR were (mostly) populated by intelligent, articulate, thoughtful posters.

    Then all of the above came out of the woodwork like termites fleeing a house fire.

    There is a lot wrong with our supposedly great nation, but from the beginning we have been a government of, for, and by the people. (unless they were black, of course) What is most wrong with our nation today is its people. They charge through the world with blinders on; our blundering bully behavior around the world is reflected right here at home. We have become petty ideologues who know what is Right, Good, and True…not through long philosophical examination, but simply because we believe it. We believe that we are Christians, without ever even attempting to walk in his footsteps. We know nothing of forgiveness; we’d chase the lepers away screaming “not in MY backyard”. We do know how to damn…

    We’re very good at damning this that an the other thing. We’re willing to damn millions of people around the world to a hellish existence to satisfy our desires, and we’re more than willing to rationalize that we’re “helping” them. Sacrifice is a dirty word in American English, that is someone else’s job.

    And then every four years we expect to change the course or our nation by electing a President. Like so many other things, changing the course or our nation is someone else’s job…we’re too busy trying to get rich and keeping up with our shows.

    With all the severe and dangerous issues facing the American people right now, we concentrate on what a preacher in one church, in one town says. Never mind emergency bailouts for Bears & Stearns; never mind a nation of people who may find themselves unable to feed themselves or fuel the vehicles they are dependent on because the once mighty dollar has fallen into disrepute…just another worthless bit of colored paper. Never mind things like that, there’s a preacher in Chicago who isn’t sufficiently patriotic.

    It isn’t God who will damn America…he could care less about any particular country; and if you insist on claiming “chosen” status, ask the Jews how many times God has saved them from their troubles. God will not Damn America; the American people have, and will, be the ones who’ve damned America.

    Every great nation falls. Every Empire crumbles. America will not escape history. The time of rude awakenings is nigh for the Land of Pleasant Living.

  • I can’t believe how many unintelligent people on this post are insinuating that whatever a pastor says somehow controls the very core of your being. What ever happened to the ability to think on your own. Obama has a Harvard and Columbia education. The real illusion is that people who do not have this high of an education, tend to act as if they are in control of its dynamics. I certainly hope that you are not influenced by everything a spiritual leader says to you – that’s just creepy.

  • There are some interesting posts here and some that make no sense.
    To suggest the Republicans are “pumping” this is one that makes no sense.

    This is pretty powerful ammo all right so it seems that if the Republicans were going to pump this issue they would do it after the primary if Obama is the nominee.

    To think Republicans would rather run against Clinton than Obama is simply not true. There are poles leaning both ways but it is a wash.

    Seems more likely that the Clinton machine has more to gain at this point. I mean they could actually gain something where the Republicans would gain nothing.

    The whole thing is unfortunate and serves to degrade both parties. The main stream media is responsible for most of the continued yammering. They won’t of course but if MSM would quit with the “tabloid” mentality we would all be better for it. MSM is desperate for divisive argument because they MUST present two side of any argument or be called “biased”. (spin aside of course).

  • Yes, Hillary has never been called the “N” word. Yet, how many times has she been called a “Bitch” in public and in private? Too many times to count I bet……

    Yes, this race has both gender and racial issues at hand. In my life and many other women of all races we face stronger discrimation for being a woman than any other race.

    Income – Women make on average 53 – 68 cents to a man’s $1.00.

    Promotion – Women (single and married) receive on average on 22% of their company’s promotions. The discrimating factor is base on the belief that a future marriage and motherhood will get in the way of the job.

    Child Care – Women lose their 87% of their sick and vaction time to child care due to illnesses and school functions. Men – 12%

    Sexual Harassment – 94% of women 40 and older have been harassed in the work place. 39 and younger – 78%. Yet, few cases are brought to the attention of their managers, the EEO or to court for fear of job retaliation and possing firing.

    Education/Loans – Women’s education loans are cut first before men’s even if their GPAs are higher. I have first hand experience in this area. I had a GPA of 3.8 and my boyfriend a GPA of 3.0. He kept his loans I lost mine.

    Crimes – Twice as many women will be a victims of a larcey crime than men. More women are murdered than men.

    Proverty – More single mother families live in poverty than single father families. Due to the cost of child care and lower income brackets and promotion opportunities for women.

    There are many more issues and topics that impact women more than men no matter of their race. So, how can any of you out there believe race is more important than gender discrimation.

  • Who are all these crazy anti-Obama Newsmax-reading interlopers? Where did you all come from?

    Please, this has been a smart, civil blog for a long time, please leave it as you found it.

  • Why do so many of the people posting appear to hate their country? Of course every nation has issues (past and present), including the USA. This in no way entitles anyone, such as “reverand” Wright, to make racebaiting and inflamatory comments about other races, religions, and nationalities with impunity. HIs comments cannot be rationalized by so many of these postings claiming that he is “angry”. We all have anger, but is not justifiable to lash out with falsehoods (HIV) and empty charges. Blaming your country for all the world’s troubles is an intellectual cop out. Debate issues if you want to make change. Don’t make stupid broad based self flagulations about your country. Try to change it OR LEAVE.

    Obama’s problem is that it defies logic that he spent 20 years attending the church and never heard or caught on to the reverand’s teachings. Trying to wish this away by many of the posters by relating other dumb or bigoted people who supprted another candidate is a complete stretch. If you call someone a lifetime “mentor” it’s pretty difficult to believe you are unaware of his or her views. Obama either appears to be totally clueless or a liar.

    I have been interested to hear him debate the issues with McCain. Instead, Obama has run a campaign based on platitudes of hope, change and bringing people together. How can anyone listen to Wright’s divisive rantings and not believe Obama, having embraced the church for over 20 years, does not has some sympathy for the viewpoints. It defies logic (or else Obama was a hypocrite for attending a church where he fundamentally disagreed with the church’s outlook).

    Obama’s big claim that experience doesn’t matter – judgement does – rings hollow in light of the reverand Wright association.

  • Hey zoe… Sorry to interupt your little brain dead world! All the USA bashers here should try living under the rule of real tyranny! Like Huessein had going on. I know it is all our fault for 9/11 and god damning America. When you think about a society that thinks it is ok to murder unborn human beings tho it must make you wonder? I for one won’t be back to this blog. Most of what I see here is Hateful Crap!

  • Some of the “brain dead” poster around here have lived in places where papers are checked at the barrel of an assault rifle with the safety off. Some of us have lived in places where political assassination is so common that people just step over the bodies. Some of us have lived in places where the possibility of war is ever present, where walks in the woods come with the danger of land mines and where one’s home sits well within the firing range of the world’s largest placement of artillery and rocketry…where the outbreak of hostilities would mean certain death in less than 15 minutes.

    Some of us have also lived in places inside the good ole USofA where random bullets make a habit of crashing through picture windows…where furniture placement requires calculating likely ballistic trajectories…where slow moving cars precipitate quick movement to cover.

    Yes, Nan, a good many Americans would benefit from living under the shadow of war and tyranny…they might not be so quick to spout platitudes about freedom and democracy.

  • Whatev. The rude blogcrashers hanging around here are nothing more than hysterical, obnoxious people who in real life are the equivalent of a half-naked man standing on a soapbox on a city corner shaking and screaming that the world is ending on Tuesday. Most people just shake their heads as they pass, wishing there were a way to help him get the mental help he so desperately needs.

    Go back to Little Green Footballs or RedState or whichever swampland you came from.

  • Hey, Lex you seem like a great pontificater. Why don’t you make some suggestions about how to change things here in the bad old USA rather than opine about its inevitable decline like you did in post 354?

    Also, I’ve travelled most of the world as well. Tell me what great country we should imitate?

  • Several thoughts:
    a) Compare the number of comments to the average post to this post. 362 at this point. Obviously this story has hit a nerve.
    b) If you are a frequent church goer, and I am, then you know that anything that the pastor says or does is fodder for conversation among that faith community. If the pastor said anything in the least bit controversial, the word would spread, and even if I had not been in church on that particular Sunday, I would know about it within the week. Senator Obama’s assertion that he was unaware of these inflammatory comments , as one other comment noted, defies logic.
    c) If he is to be elected based on his “judgment”, then let the people judge.

  • Re 364,

    I’ve been here for a while, and i’ve made more than a few suggestions…i don’t feel any need to repeat them for someone who calls himself “USA”.

    All Empires fall, that’s a simple, historical fact. Would you like to dispute it?

    We need not imitate any nation, but at the moment we’re imitating the worst nations to take after.

    But since you, brave anonymous poster, want suggestions…here are a few:

    Stop believing that we are somehow blessed by divine providence, that we can do no wrong, and that we are somehow outside the bounds of history and the business cycle. In short, stop planning our wars of conquest and economic policy on best case scenarios.

    Stop trading the very freedoms that made this country great for scraps of illusionary security.

    Involve ourselves most vigorously in politics at the local level, where real change can be effected by real people.

    Start thinking about ordering our nation for the benefit of those who will inherit it, rather than the health of our investment portfolio and the current level of comfort we feel entitled to.

    Admit, and deal with, the consequences of building an empire that consumes a disproportionate amount or finances.

    Neither a borrower nor a lender be…especially the former.

    Relearn how to feed ourselves, and relearn the streak of independence that we are famous for. Corporations rule our government because we allow them to rule us.

    Stop confusing debt with wealth.

    Learn to examine ourselves honestly, without wrapping ourselves in the flag for protection. It is not the flag that is great, but what the flag stands for. Confusing the symbol with reality does no good.

    Practice living in our communities as friends, family, and neighbors rather than having every man for himself. And stop dividing who we consider friends by the way that they vote.

    And stop confusing patriotism with nationalism.

    There are a couple to get you started, i’ll save explanations of ideas like proportional representation for such time as you see fit to not label yourself a nation of 350 million people.

    P.S. travel is a far cry from living abroad.

  • Hey Zoe…Seems like this will fit for you.

    WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
    “Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.”
    “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
    Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population…
    “The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says.
    “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”
    The entire article is at the link below.
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56494

    Take your meds now and try to be nice.

  • Lex, you obviously don’t have the IQ to share specfic suggestions to improve, only lame platitudes. You should be a poster boy for the Obama campaign. I bet you’re for “hope”, “change”, “courage”, “goodness” and any other feel good emotion that you can contemplate. The liberal left: the first to complain the last to offer any real solutions, and, specifically, who is going to pay for them.

    Oh no, the empire is crumbling (like all before and all after will)! Let’s sit around and pontificate so “we” (only people who think like yourself – Lex) can save it.

    Please don’t strain yourself to come up with anything concrete to suggest. People might actually analyze it and ask you questions.

  • This Rev Wright thing will not come up in the general election, because McCain would then have to deal with the words of his own chosen spiritual adviser, the Rev Hagee.
    A preacher that McCain actively courted for over a year to win his endorsement when he could have easily gone to any number of not-so-crazy evangelical minsters and sought their endorsement – but he sought out and deliberately CHOSE Rev Hagee -.
    Now it will probably be ok with a small minority Evangelicals that Rev Hagee has endorsed total war in the Middle East in order to bring about the end of the world and that he believes God destroyed the entire Gulf Coast with Hurricane Katrina just to punish a few gays in New Orleans. But I don’t think it will play any better than some of the Rev Writes comments with most of America
    My hope is that the two Rev’s will cancel each other out.

    Hillary IMO remains a selfish pipe dream that is bring down the party. She has always been unelectable in the General Election. People just don’t like her.

    http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19387230&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=6

  • Well USA, actually i’m not for “hope” and “change”, nor am i even an Obama supporter.

    How in depth and specific would you like suggestions? I stuck to easy ones that you might understand. Shall we instead discuss changing from taxing income/capital gains to taxing resource use/waste in an effort to build a sustainable, for profit economy?

    How about decentralizing power generation to ease grid congestion and the implementation of renewable energy while giving the average American a fair measure more of actual independence.

    How about switching the focus/structure of our military from imperial hegemony to actually defending the borders of the United States. I envision a three tiered structure with the majority of our troops being national service/national defense; a second tier capable of both combat operations and peacekeeping; and a third, even smaller component capable of rabid deployment. Moreover, the majority of our defense budget going to training and combat weaponry procurement…rather than silly boondoggles like SDI.

    Instant runoff voting, particularly for primaries…as well as giving each State one Senator and electing the other 50 at large through proportional representation.

    Removing ourselves from the precarious position of having less than 3% of the population provide something like 90% of our food by encouraging the American tradition of small, family farms…as well as urban food production and suburban food production.

    What’s so lame about not trading our freedom for a false sense of security?

    Do you need a dictionary to figure out the difference between patriotism and nationalism?

    But what suggestions might USA have? Oh, i see.

    And i would surely like to hear your examples of perpetual empires.

    I suffer no illusions about my ability to save anything, but if it will be saved, it will be done by people who don’t agree on everything working together for a change instead of wrapping themselves in the flag and trying to defeat their political/ideological opponents.

    Still not brave enough to use your real name, hmmm America? Maybe that’s the real problem we face…

  • Interesting–

    You sourced something from WorldNutDaily “news” for a book about liberal=madness? Ahem, one of their top headlines at the moment is:

    “A WND Exclusive: Real-life case of demon possession documented
    Woman levitated, spoke other languages, showed paranormal powers”

    It’s right next to an advertisemnt for Michael Savage books sold at the WND shop. Which is ironic considering that Michael Savage has said far worse, for uglier things than Rev. Wright ever has and has made a lucrative career out of doing so.

    You are far more hilarious than you will ever know or possibly begin to understand.

  • Additionally, if the Right gets into a tit-for-tat battle with the Left over who has more nutjob preachers the Right will win, hands down.

    Some small-time preacher in Chicago with a congregation of 6,000 cannot stand up to the likes of Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Jerry Fallwell (may he RIP), Hagee or Rod Parsley. McCain has direct ties to Robertson, Falwell, Hagee and Parsley– he personally courted their support.

    Then there are the similarities between some of Wright’s preachings and some of MLK’s lesser known public critcisms of whites, America and politicians.

    It’s a pretty safe bet that once this story goes out of the news cycle it will likely go away for good.

  • OK, Lex I’ll let you explain all these issues, but only if you tell me how they will funded. No generalities like tax the rich, or from savings on military spending (unless you have specficis).

    Use tax versus income/capital gains tax: this will have a disproportinate impact on lower income earners. Today the bottom 50% of the tax payers contribute 3% to state and federal taxes (ever heard of earned income tax credits?) How would you adjust for this since you state you’re for the common man?

    Alternatives to oil (great idea): the only financially viable option at the moment is nuclear, which I assume you loathe. If you want to subsidize alternative fuels, wind, solar etc. how do we pay for this?

    National defense: so you want to become an isolationist and end the “imperial hegemony”. So I guess we should abandon allies like South Korea, Kuwait, eastern Europe, etc. so they can be invaded or reinvaded. You are probably a big Neville Chamberlain fan. I “hope” for “peace in our time” too. What will you do when Iran sets off the next genocide in Iraq – talk nicely to them like Jimmy Carter did, when North Korea invades South Korea, when Russia decides to take back eastern Europe and their former satellite countries. Should be do as the Canadians do and cut back our military budget to a ridculous level and “let the world take care of itself”?

    Change the structure of government to revamp the Senate: you obviously must live in heavily populated state and feel “cheated” by all the red states that get 2 senators.

    Instant primary runoff: seems exactly contrary to your theory of more proportional representation in the Senate. If you like the way the democrats run their primary system, you’ll love the way they’ll administer national health care – an issue I’m sure you support but have no clue how to fund. Am I right?

    Giving up our freedom for a false sense of security: you must not have the clarity to state the monitoring of terroist calls routed through the U.S. Please explain that to all the innocnet people who have been and will be future targets of the world’s terrorit organizations. How would you gather intelligence on future plots – “hope”?

    Patriotism versus nationalism: blaming your country first is not a solution to anything. What do you specifically propose to “make the world love and respect us”? Maybe you would suggest the United Nations should pass international laws applicable to the world? I am almost positive you smugly refer to yourself as “a world citizen”.

    Empires: you are really hung up on this one. As I said in the last response – they all rise and fall. Gee, a point we can actually agree on!

    Lex, I’d love to hear all your great solutions to the world problems.

    Bruce Smalley
    Oregon

  • You people have written 51,746 words on this subject.

    In “college essay assignment ” terms, that’s a 173 page paper.

    I don’t think it was worth it, do you?

  • Howard at 23: “The last thing we need is a President with friends and advisors who think the US is the Great Satan and deserved 9/11.”

    By that logic, no one should ever vote Republican. Jerry Falwell was on the 700 club on September 13th telling America that its tolerance of gays, feminists, Pagans, the ACLU, and abortion made 9/11 happen and that we all deserved it. His buddy Pat smiled and nodded. These people are the Republican base.

  • Why do you people continue to make excuses for fthis man? He lied about who he was, he has stated that his ties to this racist church will continue, and has said he would NOT repudiate the man (rev. wright), but he repudiates his words, as if you could separate the man from the words.

    Obama built his whole campaign on the meaning of his words, the meaning of his pastors words should be clear.enough as well, and should not be considered JUST WORDS.

    This is NOT GOING AWAY, and I have to wonder if the people who are still backing this RACIST are themselves racially motivated.

  • This is little more than a sad, pathetic attempt to “Swiftboat” Obama.

    Obama has said definitively that he doesn’t agree with what Wright said. Additionally, 30 seconds of clips that have been carefully selected to damage Obama do not give a very fair or balanced impression of a 30+ year career of Rev. Wright.

    No matter how you look at it none of this makes Obama himself a racist. Frankly, I’m not sure the few quotes by Wright actually show that he’s a true racist. It’s pretty easy to understand how someone from Wright’s generation would be angry at the power whites have had over blacks, that there is still residual anger there. I think Obama represents the NEXT generation beyond Wright.

    There is more than 1 side to this story. It seems pretty obvious that those who seem so suckered and angered by this story already didn’t like Obama or were shopping for a reason to justify their discomfor with the idea of trusting a black man with so much power.

  • Since this is about Obama and his mentors influence on him, does anyone know how he could afford Harvard? We know he met Rezko at Harvard but how did he pay for it since he was just a poor kid……I know I could not afford Harvard.
    Anyone?

  • There are these concepts called “student loans” and “scholarships” and “grants” that help people pay for higher education costs. Most people who apply to the ivies, especially for law school, are willing to take on the debt because of where it launches them afterwards. Most of them, especially if they were high achieving like Obama, can walk into a first year associate position for a salary of $150k or more. (Often first year salaries are equal to more more than their law school debt.) That’s why Obama’s choice to work as an organizer on the streets of Chicago after he got his JD stands out as a reflection of his character and interests– because he turned down the high paying job offers for something he felt passionately about.

    Suggesting that Rezko or anyone else paid for his education without any proof or evidence whatsoever is just lazy speculation. Really. He has said multiple times that when he received royalties from his book it helped him and his wife pay off their education debt.

    You know what? I’m not even a Obama supporter, I’m actually a fence-sitter when it comes to Hillary and Obama– I truly like them both for totally different reasons. But a lot of Hillary’s supporters have really turned me off with their willingness to sink so deep into the muck just to criticize Obama. It really is much more successful if you just try boosting Hillary, not trashtalking about Obama. It really hurts the party overall and only spoils our chances in the fall regardless of who wins the nomination.

  • Well I put my son through college and there was not enough loans to cover even half of it. It came down to outside sources, Mom and Dad. I realize that was in 2000 and it was much more difficult to get a loan than when Obama went….

    I never implied Rezko paid for college I stated I knew he met him at Harvard…..so its your mind that went in that direction….what I still would like to know is how did he pay for such an expensive education as Harvard…..he claims to be from a poor background.

    According to your explanation of school loans he did not take a job that would enable him to repay his loans so I would also like to know if he did pay them if he has them. My brothers all went to the service and went to school under the GI Bill. We were poor…Then they worked their way through night school….

    He has not done this so again if anyone knows and can answer the question accurately without the accusations, how did he pay for Harvard? No guessing. No name calling…..its really a legitimate question.

    Also regarding Rezko, in Pennsylvania had he pulled that stunt with purchasing a home immediately for $300,000. less than the previous owner just paid for it there would be an investigation. It was done for tax reasons to keep property taxes down or for another reason that just isn’t honest…….who gets to do that…and if he is claiming that its chatel he better come up with lots of furniture because chatel is never recognized by the government as more than 15% of the purchase price…..I don’t imagine a real estate agent was involved or they will be the first to lose their license….No he is not as honest as he pretends……the republicans will drag this all out…….this is just the beginning…….they spent 30 million on Bill Clinton and all they got was a blue dress and moral outrage…..this mans mentor actually said “God dam America” while our boys are dying….sorry he is done. How can anyone keep defending him? He is hiding too much……

  • You seem to have a lot of questions about Obama without any sincere interest in the answers, otherwise you’d make your decision AFTER you had those questions answered. You know, like you cared about being an informed voter or something.

    I’d hazard a guess that if Obama were sitting at your kitchen table and you could ask him everything you’ve asked here that you still wouldn’t be satisified– you’ve formed all of your negative opinions already. So be it.

  • But no one has answered the one question. How did he pay for Harvard. Maybe one of his followers read his book and could answer it. You call any questions based on logic negative. That’s just a way to bully people into your mind set.
    Maybe you attended a caucus or two….it just came out now that the Senator has misdated how long he knew about his Mentors views, he knew when he announced his candidacy, he also was not forthright about Rezko and the campaign contributions……I want the best candidate, not the best liar…..and I will not pretend someone is the right candidate because its the thing to do……we have been there and can’t afford it……..can you…..notice I didn’t call you one name. Lets see if you can keep up the standard.

  • Hagee, Falwell, Robertson get free passes and Wright gets whacked by an American media intent on maintaining it’s bias.

  • There is no way to defend Obama’s long lasting association with a church that praises Louis Farrakhan and damns America. And then for Obama to lie and say that he didn’t know what was being preached at his church. Did he not go? Was he not listening? How can he feel that exposing his children to this sort of hate speech is appropriate? This is not what america needs! An Obama presidency would bring forward a 2nd Americal civil war.

    He has lost the the support of my friends and family.

    Go Hillary

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