A church-state showdown in Indiana

It’s not unusual for state legislatures, like the U.S. Congress, to start the day with an “official” non-denominational prayer. On the Hill, the House and Senate have chaplains to cover this, while many states invite local religious leaders to handle the invocation. The Supreme Court cleared the way for these prayers in 1983, ruling that a legislature could hold nonsectarian invocations, in part because they reflect “elements of the American civil religion.”

The fight over invocations in Indiana’s legislature, however, is anything but civil. For years, pastors have been brought in to lead state lawmakers in prayer at the start of their work day with increasingly evangelistic language. Matters came to a head in April when the Rev. Clarence Brown delivered an invocation that included thanks to God “for our lord and savior Jesus Christ, who died that we might have the right to come together in love.” He said he had been thinking about the separation of church and state, but decided to ignore it because “I have to do what Jesus Christ says for me to do as a witness.”

Once his prayer was complete, Indiana House Speaker Brian Bosma (R) announced that Brown would “bless us with a song,” leading to an energetic rendition of “Just a Little Talk With Jesus.”

It was the tipping point. The Indiana Civil Liberties Union filed suit in the name of four people — a retired Methodist minister, two Roman Catholics, and a state lobbyist for a Quaker group — arguing that the practice of legislative invocations had crossed the line from nonsectarian civil religion to state-sponsored promotion of Christianity.

About a month ago, a federal judge agreed, ruling that the Constitution insists that “one religious denomination cannot be officially preferred over another.” Indiana’s legislative prayers represent “a clear endorsement of Christianity, sending the message to others that they are outsiders and the message to Christians that they are favored insiders.”

So, state lawmakers are prepared to be more inclusive? Not so much.

[U.S. District Judge David F. Hamilton] ordered the House to avoid mentioning Christ in the formal benedictions. As the House prepares to open its 2006 session on Wednesday, a number of politicians have vowed to defy Hamilton, whom they accuse of undermining a 188-year Indiana tradition and interfering in legislative branch affairs.

Terry Goodin, a Democrat who rejects Hamilton’s order, is among at least two dozen House members who have asked to give Wednesday’s prayer. He said he would “absolutely” speak Christ’s name if given the chance.

“Really, who do you pray to? If you’re offering up a prayer, you’re praying to a deity. You don’t offer prayers to just an open space,” Goodin said. “I will give the same type of prayer that’s been given for 100 years. I won’t change my words because of someone in the judicial branch who tells me I must.”

Judge Hamilton, who is the son and grandson of Methodist ministers, said he intends “to take appropriate steps to insure compliance,” suggesting that lawmakers who ignore the ruling will likely be held in contempt of court. This could get ugly.

I’m a bit of a purist when it comes to church-state separation, but this case does raise legitimate questions about drawing the civil religion line. Opponents of the status quo believe it’s ridiculous for lawmakers to officially promote and endorse Christianity on the floor of the legislature. They’re right. Supporters of evangelistic legislative prayers believe it’s ridiculous to insist that prayers are fine so long as they’re watered down and generic in order to make everyone feel comfortable. They’re right, too.

I have a compromise solution to offer: Indiana lawmakers can pray, alone or in groups, to any god they like, and with any language they like, before and after the legislative work day begins. Lawmakers who don’t want to pray, or prefer a more inclusive, non-faith-specific prayer, can get together alone or in groups as well. The floor of the legislature would be reserved for official legislative work, while everyone, including lawmakers, could worship however they please. There’d be no need for lawsuits, or defiance of court orders, because everyone could worship, or not, on their own time and with no restrictions or church-state questions.

What do you say, Indiana?

But…but…but, Mr. Carpetbagger!

How are we going to keep the Indianians docile with all of the screwing they’re getting if we can’t remind them every chance we get that the Indiana legislature is really doing God’s work (and not really lining their own pockets)?

  • “The Supreme Court cleared the way for these prayers in 1983, ruling that a legislature could hold nonsectarian invocations, in part because they reflect “elements of the American civil religion.””

    The Supreme Court goofed. The government – state,
    federal or local has no business sponsoring prayers
    of any kind. That’s an establishment of religion. But
    the Supreme Court opened the door and now we
    have a mess for which there is no solution.

    Why is it so hard for people to understand that
    our government must maintain neutrality toward
    religion? Neither for, nor against. Why are
    people obsessed with promoting their own
    religions, and using government to force them on
    others? Why can’t they be satisfied with having
    Constitutional freedom to believe and worship
    as they please?

  • Gee, CB, no public display of piety? What’s next? Having the legislature brush their teeth and retrieve their drycleaning on their own time too? After all, cleanliness is next to godliness…

  • Jesus Christ refused to have anything to do with the secular government during his Walk on this Earth. He didn’t oppose government, per se, but He clearly behaved in such a way that the conclusion is inescapable: the government must remain outside the Church. What is so hard about that to understand? [“My Kingdom is not of this Earth.”]

    P.S. The clown masquerading as a Dem needs to be tossed out of office on his stupid ass as soon as possible. What a pathetic excuse for what passes as a Dem in the snake-infested [oops, “religious”] heartland that is Indiana today.

  • When are we going to start standing up to religious idiots who ignore the constitution and the rule of law? I am tired of politicians using the Jesus hammer to intimidate people. This is the very reason for separation of church and state to prevent crap like this and I am disappointed in this blog for requesting more compromise. Isn’t saying an all inclusive prayer already a pretty significant compromise?

  • If the United States was not meant to be a Christian nation, why was the Lord Jesus’ name mentioned 47 times in the Constitution?

    And if you ACLU types don’t like having a state religion, go live in Iran!

    And that part of the Bible where Jesus said to pray in your closet and not in front of others; well that was taken out of context.
    I’m not going to tell you how it was taken out of context because you wouldn’t understand without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

    P.S. I’m sorry for all the correctly spelled words.

  • Elvis – firstly, if you’re being witty and I’m missing your snark, my apologies.

    YET….if you’re being truthful, then, please remove the obstruction from your eye (as I’ve already removed the mote from mine) and let’s wander over to this web site:
    http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#god

    If you can provide a scholarly refutation of the link’s info, I will definitely be interested in reviewing that info.

    Happy New Year to all

  • Hey Elvis

    After reading your post I have been smitten with fear and repentance!
    I think you need to go to Iran and witness what happens when religion is intertwined with government.

    Mark Elijah

  • Mr. Flibble-the word is ‘Hoosier’ not ‘Indianian’. I live in Indiana, but I’m neither docile nor Hoosier. I didn’t vote for Mitch, either.

    AL-They’re all clowns masquerading as…I dunno…human, I guess, but just barely…

    Elvis-I love you. Move to Indiana and help me turn this into a blue state!

    Incidentally, the Indiana Dept of Ed website makes the following statement in reference to the teaching of science:

    ‘If better explanations for the evidence arise, older explanations are left behind, which is the belief system upon which science is founded.’

    ‘…belief system…’
    Pray for us (in a non-denominational manner, of course).

    CB-Sorry, I know I’m repeating myself, but the whole ‘belief system’ treatement of science still has me pretty chapped in my nether regions.

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