A closer look at what went wrong

As Hillary Clinton wraps up a 17-month, historic, nearly-successful presidential campaign, the inevitable “what went wrong?” question is still very much on the minds of the political world. I’ve seen more than a few lists, detailing various mistakes and misjudgments, but surprisingly enough, they’re all pretty similar, and point to a near-consensus about missteps that led the one-time frontrunner to come this close to winning, before coming up short.

In the Wall Street Journal this week, Jackie Calmes had a piece that was arguably the best of the lot.

Sen. Hillary Clinton, once positioned to be Democrats’ “inevitable nominee,” won’t be. On Tuesday, Sen. Barack Obama won enough delegates to claim the party’s presidential nomination.

Inside the Clinton campaign and out, the finger-pointing has begun. The bottom line is this: She called the biggest plays, and she got them wrong.

Conversations over months with dozens of Clinton staffers, advisers and supporters suggest that over her 17-month campaign, the second-term New York senator and former first lady was smart, substantive and tireless. The surprise was how good a campaigner she grew to be.

Still, these people say, Sen. Clinton is responsible for what one confidant called “grievous mistakes.” Those help explain why Sen. Clinton — the best brand name in Democratic politics, and an early favorite to be the first female nominee in U.S. history — lost to a relative newcomer who would be the first African-American major-party nominee.

Following up on an item from the other day, it’s foolish to look for the one event or error that doomed the campaign. It’s rarely just one thing, which if avoided, would have meant certain success.

But when pulling a list together, a surprisingly straightforward picture emerges.

Jackie Calmes’ list:

* Mismanagement — “Insiders say control over the campaign resided with a small clique of loyalists close to Sen. Clinton but at odds with each other. Ultimately, however, she relied on an inner circle of two — her husband, former President Bill Clinton, and their longtime pollster, Mark Penn — whose instincts often clashed with those of the campaign veterans around them.”

* Flawed Message — “She emphasized her Washington experience when voters wanted change.”

* Failure to Mobilize — “Many supporters blamed Ms. Solis Doyle and her deputies. But the failures started at the top with the Clintons’ bias against caucuses and an ignorance of key party rules. Early on, the campaign figured she would lock up the nomination with Feb. 5’s Super Tuesday primaries. Caucus states wouldn’t matter.”

* Clinton ‘Craziness’ — “[T]he campaign failed to acknowledge the ‘Clinton fatigue’ felt by many Democrats. Mr. Clinton’s controversies on the stump only fanned it.”

Karen Tumulty’s list:

* She misjudged the mood — “In a cycle that has been all about change, Clinton chose an incumbent’s strategy, running on experience, preparedness, inevitability — and the power of the strongest brand name in Democratic politics. It made sense, given who she is and the additional doubts that some voters might have about making a woman Commander in Chief. But in putting her focus on positioning herself to win the general election in November, Clinton completely misread the mood of Democratic-primary voters, who were desperate to turn the page.”

* She didn’t master the rules — “Clinton picked people for her team primarily for their loyalty to her, instead of their mastery of the game.”

* She underestimated the caucus states — “While Clinton based her strategy on the big contests, she seemed to virtually overlook states like Minnesota, Nebraska and Kansas, which choose their delegates through caucuses. She had a reason: the Clintons decided, says an adviser, that ‘caucus states were not really their thing.'”

* She relied on old money — “Though Clinton’s totals from working the shrimp-cocktail circuit remained impressive by every historic measure, her donors were typically big-check writers. And once they had ponied up the $2,300 allowed by law, they were forbidden to give more. The once bottomless Clinton well was drying up.”

* She never counted on a long haul — “Clinton’s strategy had been premised on delivering a knockout blow early. If she could win Iowa, she believed, the race would be over. Clinton spent lavishly there yet finished a disappointing third. What surprised the Obama forces was how long it took her campaign to retool.”

David Paul Kuhn’s list:

* Hubris — “Hillary didn’t just sell the press and the public on her inevitability as the general election candidate; she sold herself the same bill of goods, telling George Stephanopoulos before the Iowa caucus that ‘I’m in it for the long run. It’s not a very long run. It will be over by February 5.’ Hubris was the campaign’s fatal flaw, from which the others, both strategic and tactical, derived.”

* Iraq — “The 2002 vote authorizing military intervention in Iraq has haunted Clinton since, and opened up a space for an anti-war candidate in this year’s primary. While John Edwards, who cast the same vote, later claimed to have made a mistake in doing so, Clinton — looking ahead to a general electorate disappointed with the war in Iraq but still hoping for some sort of victory there (and perhaps also back to the 1990s image of the Clintons as serial parsers) — continued to defend her vote even as she criticized the war.”

* Iowa — “Clinton spent more than $20 million and finished third and short on cash. A great unnoticed irony is that had Clinton mostly skipped Iowa, Edwards would likely have won, and become Clinton’s presumptive rival, leaving Obama out in the cold.”

* Caucuses — “Clinton shrugged off the effect of a potential loss in Iowa, saying ‘I don’t think it’s a question of recovery. I have a campaign that is poised and ready for the long term. We are competing everywhere through February 5. We have staff in many states. We have built organizations in many states.’ But ‘many states’ turned out to mean organization myopically focused on big state and Super Tuesday primaries. ‘Keep everything else the same and add that she competed in the caucus states, she would have won,’ Trippi said. ‘It’s actually fairly amazing.'”

* Old-Fashioned — “Fundraising online might have been more difficult for Clinton, considering how much of her support came from the establishment. Trippi, though, disputes that assertion, pointing out that in February, when Clinton’s campaign adjusted to new-fashioned fundraising and she began mentioning her Web site frequently in her speeches, about half of the contributions she received were for less than $200 — while only about a fifth of her contributions had been in that range in the last quarter of 2007.”

Is it me, or is the common thread to most of this Mark Penn?

Presidential campaigns, especially primary fights that span nearly 17 months, are complex systems, and there were surely other factors that contributed to her second-place showing. She went positive when voters were less engaged, and negative when voters were more engaged, which became a drag on her favorability numbers. The media that was too quick to call her the presumptive nominee became something of a foil. The “sniper” controversy and the “gas-tax holiday” idea raised serious doubts about her credibility. And, of course, there can be no doubt that sexism, fueled by pundits like Chris Matthews, undermined the campaign’s efforts and message.

But having said all of that, Clinton fought as well and as hard as any candidate, ever. She got some bad advice, but Clinton leaves the stage with her head held high.

Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. She made a political calculation to back the war, and it bit her in the ass. End of story.

  • i do believe it was one event (and not the war): i believe it was the failure to win iowa. she wins iowa, she wins new hampshire, she sweeps super tuesday, and it’s over.

    now, maybe all these factors explain why she didn’t win iowa; maybe iowa voters were especially sensitive to her wrong judgements on the war.

    or maybe she was just flat our-organized in iowa, and once obama won it, the war and all the other mattered more. i’ll simply note that i’ve got the emails and blog postings to prove that the day after iowa, i said the race was over and obama had won….

  • You can put me in the camp that thinks Bill didn’t want it and sabotaged it. If that is what happened, there was nothing she could do to counteract it.

  • Good analyses. But this–

    And, of course, there can be no doubt that sexism, fueled by pundits like Chris Matthews, undermined the campaign’s efforts and message

    …is just wrong. Sexism kept her campaign alive. Women are 58% of the Democratic electorate. Do you think that calling a woman names is going to win over that 58%? Or would it solidify her support among them? Do you think Obama supporters get more enthusiastic about their candidate because Chris Matthews et al. are demeaning to Hillary? Or do they reflexively want to defend her?

    Really, this idea is from opposite land.

  • Well, as I am waiting, like most of America, for her speech to begin and she has not even left her home…I believe she underestimated the public’s desire to put up with her arrogance! Keep’em waiting! We are more important than they are!
    It would serve them right if the networks would cut away from the anxious waiting for her to appear and begin airing the “best of” Barack Obama’s speeches!!!

  • It was all of the above.

    If there was no Obama then she would have won, but would she have beaten McCain? With the disarray in both campaigns? It would have been a nail biter and gone to the one who made the least stupid mistakes.

    “We have staff in many states. We have built organizations in many states.” – Hils Clinton

    Should have been ALL states.

    As for the charges of sexism, if any “inevitable” male candidate and team made the same mistakes she and her team did, the end result would have been the same but not as close.

    To me, all these well observed points showed that the Clintons believed in the inevitability aura and not gone out there and did the necessary homework to prepare for the election. They assumed that once the primary was done then they would plan for the Repubs.

    If use the tired war as politics metaphor then Sun Tzu said it best some 2500 years ago:
    “the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose.”

  • Hillary’s BIG announcement was supposed to be at noon today.SHE called the press conference and thousands are waiting for her. As of this moment she hasn’t even left her house yet. CNN reporters say she is ALWAYS late, has been for years, that 30 minutes late is considered early by them.

    Habitual lateness is a characteristic of narcissism.

  • The longer I live, the more I realize that success depends on one thing: who you choose to surround yourself with.

    Choosing your friends, associates, partners is the single most important decision anyone can make…do it well and they will have your back when things turn sour. Do it poorly and they will be the thing that CAUSES things to sour in your life.

    I knew when this campaign started that Hillary Clinton has terrible taste in friends and associates. Who she trusts and listens to would not have changed had she made it to the White House…her judgement in this critical area of life is absolutely myopic and tone-deaf. She did herself zero favors from the get-go!

  • What went wrong: she didn’t divorce Bill.

    The turning point for me was at the 04 convention. Obama’s getting a standing ovation and the camera panned up to Hillary and Chelsea in the upper seats. I’ll never forget this as long as I live: they look at each other, and Hill rolls her eyes back in her head and visibly snarls. I started jumping up and down and screaming: That man’s gonna be the next President!

    From that one shot I could’ve predicted the whole primary season. Her sense of entitlement was so ingrained she couldn’t imagine the alternative.

    “I can’t, I can’t
    I can’t stand losing
    I can’t, I can’t
    I can’t stand losing
    I can’t, I can’t
    I can’t…”

  • I’d leave out her vote for the war out of this analysis, or rather only discuss it as a secondary or even tertiary issue, because it occurred years before she officially ran for president and was not something that could be corrected quickly, like a decision to focus on Internet fund raising, or more in the long term, like a decision to place more emphasis on the caucus states. And even if her decision to apologize was something that definitely affected the race, as I think it did, it’s still not the biggest cause of her loss.

    All things being equal, as Joe Trippi says, she almost won. Not in a sort of, kind of way, but in a legitimate, less-than-200-pledged-delegates-from-securing-the-total-number-needed sort of way. It’s possible that other dynamics of the race, like her Iraq vote war or Clinton fatigue, would have made it much more difficult to earn support in caucus states, but that isn’t entirely clear. Assuming that she cut him in about half in the caucus states where she did not win, she might lead, or come very close to overtaking him in pledged delegates. That would likely have an effect on super delegates as well.

    I was about to give everyone an example using Colorado but I wasn’t sure that would work. I remembered that some of these states had rules about how well someone did in certain parts of the states, so I am not sure a strict reconfiguration of the numbers would have made sense. But let’s say, under whatever rules Colorado had, she earned 26 instead of 19 delegates. She’d still be down over 100 pledge delegates, but instead of 123, she would be down 119. Add in states like Idaho, where she was destroyed, earning 3 delegates to his 15. If she earned 7 instead of 3, she’d be down by 115.

    Now, more states have primaries than caucuses, so let’s go to Georgia, a state where she may have done better–and indeed tried to do so; I don’t remember–but for whatever reason didn’t do as well. If she earned more than 31% of the vote, and say nabbed an extra 10 delegates, she’d be down by 105.

    The point is, in either both caucus states and primary states, it looks like she could have made up the difference by simply playing the 50-state strategy that Obama played. Not doing so looks like her biggest error.

  • Negatives too high. Arkansas. The nineties (wasted prosperity). The dynasty issue (which has been greatly deemphasized — why?). Iraq (Clinton caved to the group think). Trust and like ability issue. Obama’s 2004 convention speech (lit the spark for the alternate candidate). The list can go on and on. Many of us never could figure why she was the favorite for so long and could not fathom why so many Democrats were supporting her from the get go. Hillary peaked before the first vote was cast.

  • If she’s this late for her “farewell”, by the way I bet will satisfy no one from either camp, imagine how late she’d be to answering that phone call at 3AM.

    “Bill? Bill? Bill will you please get that $%%@*& phone? Man what the hell do these peons expect of me anyway? BILL!”…

  • to those obsessing with “lateness,” i’ll note that george bush runs things on time….

  • ’d leave out her vote for the war out of this analysis… -Brian

    I wouldn’t. It’s the reason I and several others never considered her an option at all. You’re reasoning is that the war vote was to far removed to be considered, but that’s hard to accept when the war is still ongoing and one of the primary issues affecting the country right now.

    She also complicated her Iraq war vote by supporting Kyl-Lieberman, illustrating she hadn’t learned from her mistake.

  • Thanks for another of your great sifting, sorting and summarizing posts Mr. CB.

    It seemed like it was about Hillary more than it was about us. It was her moment. It was her story of tenacity and her willingness to set aside insult and personal betrayal in order to continue striving to reach her goal. It was like we were just supposed to go along with this thing because it was her.

    I hope I get to see an African-American and a woman as POTUS in my lifetime. But in either case I’d like it to be because of what that person brings to the table. Not just because that person thinks there’s a chair with their name on it already waiting. And a guy behind her pulling out her chair for her while whispering in her ear, “Wee’rrre baaacck”.

  • She called the biggest plays, and she got them wrong.

    I think this is the nub of it, and is also the reason we’re lucky not to have nominated her. Hillary Clinton – lots of smarts, determination and persistence (not to mention ruthlessness), but when the chips are down, doesn’t come up with the right decisions.

    I’m also breathing a sigh of relief that we won’t be facing the prospect of Bill as first spouse. He was a good president and deserves much thanks and respect for facing down the GOP during its ascendancy, but the man was ever a magnet for personal drama.

  • Well I don’t know how much failure you can find in all this. She came within a percentage point or so of winning. I know, I know choose your metrics. But this kind of binary attitude of if you didn’t win you lost (reminds me of Talledega Nights: If you’re not first your’e last) is unrealistic. About half the primary voters thought she did things right.

    The lessons learned aren’t likely to be too valuable. There’ll never be another Hillary or another Obama.

    Fun to analyze though.

  • Of the Dem Senators that ran for President since 2002, Dodd, Biden, Kerry, Daschle, Edwards, Clinton all voted yes on the AUMF. Other than Russ Feingold, I don’t think there was a no vote from anyone with further aspirations.

  • Other than Russ Feingold, I don’t think there was a no vote from anyone with further aspirations. -Danp

    And that’s so very sad.

    Well I don’t know how much failure you can find in all this. -Dale

    It depends on how you look at it. You can analyze it based only on the final tally, or you can look at it through the filter of expectations. When you’re last name is Clinton, you start off with a huge lead in the Democratic primary.

    She is a classic example of the cliche, ‘Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.’ She came in with huge advantages, name recognitions, over 100 superdelegates, and a fund raising machine, but still only managed a close second to a long shot candidate.

  • “I wouldn’t. It’s the reason I and several others never considered her an option at all. You’re reasoning is that the war vote was to far removed to be considered, but that’s hard to accept when the war is still ongoing and one of the primary issues affecting the country right now.”

    doubtful, at 16…

    It’s not that I believe it was far down on the list of issues for voters. It was clearly at the top for many people, like yourself, as you have just indicated.

    Instead, I was trying to say that it looks like she could have done everything the way she ended up doing it in regards to the war and still have won, because she came so close. The difference, then, becomes one of the other facts, like brushing off some of the smaller states that allowed Obama to gain both delegates and momentum.

  • “further aspirations” as in we cannot continue to let the Republicans label us as weak on defense. The Democrats were running scared and letting themselves be defined in the worst way. They submitted to political rape.

  • Politicians and public figures always get themselves into trouble when they begin to believe their own press releases, i.e., their own spin, and surround themselves with loyalists who may not want to deliver an unwelcome message. She believed her candidacy was inevitable, that a half black man would never have a chance, and that it is the right time for a woman to claim the presidency. On the last point she is right. But obviously her candidacy is not inevitable, and whether or not Obama has a chance to win the general is still an open question.

    I would be proud as all get out if either a woman, a black, a Hispanic, or a gay person got elected POTUS. But if they were all running against one another obviously only one of them could win, which doesn’t necessarily indicate a bias against the others for their gender, ethnicity, race, or sexual orientation. We may actually have to finally grow up and look at the qualities and skills a person brings to the game rather than these other irrelevant characteristics.

    Obama has the better organization and message. That’s it. Nothing more.

  • Her core principles didn’t come through. They were overshadowed by a message that seemed focused on ‘I can win – he can’t’, ‘I’m prepared – he’s not’, ‘a woman needs to be president – not a man’, etc.

    Once this message gets pushed to the front it’s difficult to get the core principles back in the media.

    The 3 AM ad seemed to say ‘I’ll protect you – don’t worry, you’ll be safe’. On the surface it seemed to be about safety, but it was actually about protecting – I’ll protect you. At it’s core was a paternalism that was disturbing. It wasn’t about America’s greatness it was about leaders ‘taking care’ of the common people.

    The former message – protecting – implies that the people need protection because they are weak. The latter message would have been much better for her. It would have reflected how people felt during most of Bill’s presidency – good about ‘us’.

    Before the 3 AM ad I felt comfortable with either Hillary or Obama. The ad made me feel very uncomfortable. It was flawed branding for her. It seemed a desperate, and ill chosen, means of making her seem strong. It was a choice of a strength / protector message instead of a greatness / abundance message. When you aim for greatness security comes naturally.

    There are other frames that could have achieved the goal of making her seem strong enough. I hope young women learn that lesson from this campaign.

  • her advantages of insiderness and access to all the experts and big donors turned out to be her biggest liabilities-especially Penn! her choice of advisors and her unwilllingness to outgrow them was what drove this middle-aged feminist away. Today she was the woman I could have worked my heart out for…

  • In my opinion Hillary Clinton may have underestimated the level of cheating that would go on in the Caucus state contests. It’s all about fair reflection, and the democratic party refuses to see this.

  • Dale @ 20

    ut this kind of binary attitude of if you didn’t win you lost (reminds me of Talledega Nights: If you’re not first your’e last) is unrealistic.

    Oh, come on. That’s just silly. There are times when there’s a spectrum of outcomes and focusing on a hair’s difference is unworkable. But this contest, at the end, is binary. There will be only one Democratic nominee for President in 2008. Just one. Not one and almost-one.

    I don’t mean to diminish Sen. Clinton’s accomplishment at all, but saying she didn’t really lose is… well, “silly” seems to be the best word for it.

  • Hillary’s loss was all about judgement….her bad judgement on the war, on how to defeat Obama, and in the end not conceding on Tuesday night when it would have looked gracious and appropriate….judgement…she didn’t have the right compass for 2008.

  • the level of cheating that would go on in the Caucus state contests. It’s all about fair reflection, and the democratic party refuses to see this.

    Really? Cheating? Do you have any evidence to support this? More likely what happened was that the caucuses follow complex rules that that the Clinton campaign didn’t bother to learn and the Obama campaign did.

    You could argue that these rules are bad (and I’d be likely to agree with you), but the time to do it is before the caucuses happen. If, after the fact, you notice your candidate has come up short under the rules that everyone agreed to at the beginning, then complaints about said rules aren’t likely to be very compelling.

  • Interesting comments; this site continues to interest me no end — thanks.

    My list: Bad record (Iraq), bad strategy (advisors “didn’t know the territories”(!), ignored proven efficacy of Dean’s 50-state strategy maybe because it meant a lot of new work), bad attitude (arrogance, not of Sen. Clinton herself so much, who is said to be lovely in person, but from people like Penn, who should now devote himself to emptying bedpans in a community hospital, and doing it with a smile, contrition in his heart, and a sincere hope of learning something about real life), and a bad sense of the times: the nation has moved on, the glory days of the Clinton administration no longer loom large in our national legend.To be perfectly circular here: the beginning and the end was Iraq and, like it or not, her judgment and priorities. She chose in 2002 to protect her flank as a future candidate, not what was right for the nation. Enough said.

  • I have perhaps a little more sympathy for Hillary than some here, particularly on the Iraq issue that isolated her from the activist (read: show up for caucuses) base of her party.

    I have had the privilege of being in campaign leadership for several races where women were running for either statewide office of Congress. it remains harder than perhaps Hillary made it look. Lets take a frequently claimed “fault” of her campaign: by blowing Iowa, she immediately burst her own ablloon on the inevitability campaign. True enough. Did she start Iowa late? Yes. And Obama is next door, and Edwards never dismantled his 04 organization. All true.

    But Iowa also happens to be one of the few states that to date has never had either a female governor or any female congressional representative. Are we so sure there is anything she could have done there to win?

    I worked on the campaign of a female candidate for state AG. It was impossible to miss the subtle and not-at-all subtle questioning of whether a woman could really be tough enough on crime. I worked on the campaign for a woman running for Congress where the opponent’s campaign was, essentially, to run a really bad photo of her and say “doesn’t she look like a bitch?” I dont say this to minimize Obama’s hurdles – surely race is a huge one, I just don’t have any personal familiarity with race as a campaign issue.

    But after that state AG race, I can imagine an entire roomful of experienced campaign advisors telling Hillary “you vote against this war and you’ll never get a man to vote for you for dog catcher, much less Commander in Chief.” And I understand exactly why they would say that — and while we’ll never know, that advice may well have been correct.

  • Clinton fatigue.

    Their negatives have always been high, but they do not show the passion agianst them and what they stand for— corruption, arrogance and power for its own sake.

    It is often noted that Hillary could not get the male vote. If you recall, neither could Bill— they are seen by many as sleazy and not to be trusted, and with Bill, that includes sexual exploitation of women… like your daughter or sister.

  • she sat like a madonna
    on the steps before the door
    watched me walk away
    knew i won’t be back no more
    still i’m glad i left her
    though i hope she’s doing fine
    she’s still sitting there
    as i’m writing down this line

  • If the story is true about chief strategist Mark Penn believing for months that California was winner take all and planning the post-SuperTuesday strategy accordingly, then Penn is the major thing that went wrong. That’s like trying to play chess without knowing how the little horsey moves. It’s much harder to win if you don’t even know the rules of the game, especially when your opponent plays so well.

  • Backwards and in Heels (33): Fascinating perspective. Thanks. I would argue, however, that by her winning New Hampshire, the only advantage Obama really had was that he was still a viable candidate, although without momentum. Hillary still had Super Tuesday coming up shortly, since he wasn’t going to overcome name recognition in that time period. And she had an “excuse” for losing in South Carolina, since the media was absolutely determined to define this Dem primary according to race and gender.

    By the way how many black governors or congressmen have Iowa had?

  • There’s some revisionist history going on here already.

    Saying she didn’t adjust to new fundraising methods and grassroots support is an easy statement to make, but does not stand up to factual scrutiny. She raised $215 million which would have been an unheard of number but for Sen. Obama raising even more. She had a slick web site with discussion forums, etc. and sent out broadcast emails every day. She raised a ton of money in small donations. Sen. Obama loaded up on a big number of $2300 Hollywood donations early himself, to go along with small donations too.

    If she spent more money and effort in caucus states, maybe Sen. Obama would have done better in big primary states and pundits would be saying she blew it by spreading her campaign too thinly.

    She got 18 million votes. If she beat Obama by a couple hundred delegates, all these posts would be about how Obama blew the campaign when he could have won by doing things a little differently.

    What Sen. Edwards did, apologizing for his AUMF vote just before the primaries, was pandering. If the argument is that she should have pandered the same way, well, maybe that did cost her the nomination but she was right not to do it if it is not what she believed.

    I’d like to see more posts that say she lost on the merits of a political argument between the left side and the centrist side of the party, since that’s what I think happened, not a nomination process driven by tactical campaign minutiae.

  • Hillary’s biggest mistake for me was proving that Republicans were right about her.

    Like a lot of Democrats, I admired and supported her and Bill through the Clinton years and beyond. I never understood why Republicans hated them so much. Maybe I wasn’t paying attention and didn’t see the divisive, win-at-all-costs ambition, the lying, the manipulation, and the sense of entitlement that has so characterized her campaign.

    In my opinion, all Hillary Clinton had to do was show people that she was none of those things, and she would have won handily. Instead, she played to the negative narrative already out there.

    I also agree with the posters above: if anything, sexism by the media actually helped her campaign.

  • By the way how many black governors or congressmen have Iowa had?

    Heck, how many blacks does Iowa have? 🙂
    (correct answer: about 3%)

    I haven’t looked it up, but I can fairly confidently guess the answer is none. That would be true for quite a few states, however, I suspect. The somewhat unique issue re women is that Iowa is getting close to being the only state in that category.

    While I wanted to share some of that in a strategic (if not principled) defense of Hillary AUMF vote and generally the uphill battle she faced, I actaully tend to agree with Shalimar, particularly if the rumored story is also true that Penn never bothered to learn the caucus rules and largely downplayed caucuses so he wouldn’t have to. The combination of not knowing the allocation rules and not knowing how caucuses work actually suggests that in every other respect Clinton as a candidate was goddess-like: how in the world did she stay as close as she did with that idiot involved?

  • Hillary gave a wonderful speech, just as powerful as the wind bag Obama. Now I hope ALL of you will get off her case.
    In spite of Hillary’s desire for her supporters to help Obama, a large number of us will not. Number 1, he is NOT QUALIFIED to be President. We have had George Bush learning on the job, never again!

  • Backwards in Heels #33. Thoughtful commentary. Thanks!

    It’s challenging creating a solid brand in a political campaign. I’m off to a fundraiser for a woman who is running against a man who has been a yes-man for the GOP. Many good Democrats believe he is competent and reasonable – people who should know better. They have heard that he’s good on the environment. That’s the only area where they would agree with him. I believe they’d be shocked at his real record. Besides the environmental votes were for legislation that did not pass – the rest of the GOP voted no – and he knew it wouldn’t pass, in advance.

    The ‘security’ frame is challenging to establish for women. Surprisingly the best method I’ve encountered came from Frank Luntz book. (I despise his politics but he knows how to move voters.) There are many things he suggested. I’d check it out.

    The most effective Luntz advice for the candidate I’m supporting is to talk tough, like people would if they heard that a key mission had resulted in casualties, “What the f**k happened. Find out now.” Women would have to tone down the profanity, but expressing anger at past failures, like the treatment of Iraq vets, would be a good start.

    If you’re still working on campaigns I recommend Luntz.

  • Bernard HP Gilroy said:
    Dale @ 20
    ut this kind of binary attitude of if you didn’t win you lost (reminds me of Talledega Nights: If you’re not first your’e last) is unrealistic.

    Oh, come on. That’s just silly. There are times when there’s a spectrum of outcomes and focusing on a hair’s difference is unworkable. But this contest, at the end, is binary. There will be only one Democratic nominee for President in 2008. Just one. Not one and almost-one.

    Yes, that part is binary, but the attitude shouldn’t be. She’s not a failure for not getting the outcome she wanted. Everyone looking for her failures is typical “oh there must be something wrong with you” if you didn’t win. Perhaps the speculation about her “advantages” is what is wrong. Perhaps the zeitgeist was such that there was no way for her to win. What looked like advantages were disadvantages.

    Everything seems silly if you don’t understand it.

  • “There’s some revisionist history going on here already.”

    Your comments only make sense if Hillary and Barack were neck and neck going into the race and would be in fact revisionist. They were not as Hillary Clinton was the front runner by a huge margin at the beginning of the primary. She had the lead, support and the money. Many assumed that Barack Obama would end up like Howard Dean, an internet phenom but would last just past Super Tuesday.

    If Hillary and her team did not make most of the mistakes listed above then this race should never have been close. Barack Obama would still be the junior Senator From Illinois not the Dem Presidential Nominee. The main reason why it was so close was because Hils had the lead (a rather large one if I recall), the machine and the resources from Day One.

    What you seem to forget is that this for all intents and purposes the largest political upset in my lifetime (37 years.)

  • pfgr 38
    “I’d like to see more posts that say she lost on the merits of a political argument between the left side and the centrist side of the party..”

    I believe it would be as interesting to examine the difference between ‘grassroots’ and ‘corporate’ sides of the party. Hillary’s Wal-Mart connection is not clear but seems to reflect some potential for anti-union tendencies.

    Neither Obama or Hillary are 100% centrist or leftist. That may reflect categories that are somewhat less relevant today than they were in the 60’s – 80’s.

    What’s fascinating is the grassroots nature of Obama’s campaign has become one of the more prominent messages over the last month. It’s the first time since Eugene McCarthy changed the dynamic and got Bobby Kennedy to embrace the ‘people power’ message.

    Since then the meme has been, ‘you can’t win as a populist’. That faction of the party may be in for a paradigm shift.

  • And, oh yeah, callousness and cynicism. What a cynical view of America she had when she claimed that “Obama can’t win” and that she wins, “white, hardworking white Americans.”

    As a nation, we’ve had enough of cynicism and fearmongering, haven’t we?

  • As someone that was undecided and leaning towards Hillary, I can say that one event changed everything for me. Up until that point I was really undecided. Right before the Texas primary/caucus when she said that Obama wasn’t ready to be CIC. That made me vote for him and caucus for him as well. Politics is politics. Things are going to be said to win races, but nothing that out of line should be tolerated. The RNC is already, as you all probably know, hitting on those comments. It’s going to come back and could be potentially be a huge problem for Obama moving forward.

  • Sen. Obama loaded up on a big number of $2300 Hollywood donations early himself, to go along with small donations too. -pfgr

    This is not productive. It’s very right wing to insinuate that donations from Hollywood are somehow tainted, and divisive and disingenuous to insinuate that Obama’s campaign was funded solely by large donors and that Hillary was devoid of large donors. Neither of those implications are true.

    If she spent more money and effort in caucus states… -pfgr

    She spent 20 million in Iowa. How much more should she have spent on a state her campaign later claimed was unimportant?

    I’d like to see more posts that say she lost on the merits of a political argument between the left side and the centrist side of the party… -pfgr

    More right wing drudgery. There isn’t a person here that doesn’t know there is only a shade of difference between Hillary and Obama on this issues. The rest is style. Serious progressives like myself came back to the center to support Obama. You act as if he’s Dennis Kucinich, and you know that’s not true.

    What are you trying to accomplish with a comment about Obama surviving on big bad Hollywood donors and is a far left candidate? The whole comment was nothing more than a right wing troll. You may be bitter about the outcome of primary, but this attitude is unhelpful and not conducive to electing a Democrat in November.

  • I most strongly agree with this statement: by David Kuhn: “Hubris — “Hillary didn’t just sell the press and the public on her inevitability as the general election candidate; she sold herself the same bill of goods, telling George Stephanopoulos before the Iowa caucus that ‘I’m in it for the long run. It’s not a very long run. It will be over by February 5.’ Hubris was the campaign’s fatal flaw, from which the others, both strategic and tactical, derived.”

    That hubris revealed itself again in her speech on Tuesday night, when she basically refused to concede the race was over. Today’s concession speech was much better, and on balance, quite good. However, she just couldn’t restrain herself from touting her 18 million votes (at least twice) and everything SHE stood for and SHE did in her campaign.

    This said, if Hillary had won the nomination, I would have gladly supported HER, because I can’t think of much worse than having another Republican in the Presidency.

  • “Sen. Hillary Clinton, once positioned to be Democrats’ “inevitable nominee,” won’t be.”

    Hillary Clinton was positioned as inevitable only by mainstream media reporters and pundits that were interested in building her up initially so that they could tear her down later. Mission accomplished.

    Now that what’s done is done, liberals, progressives, Democrats should support Obama. The country cannot take another Republican president who thinks tax cuts for rich people, ignoring the law, cozying up to lobbyists and waging discretionary wars are acceptable policies.

  • The pundits are all concerned with errors in campaign tactics. I think we voters are smarter than that. Here is a more relevant list:

    1. Not having the judgment to oppose the Iraq war from the start.
    2. Taking on the responsibility in 1993 to implement Bill Clinton election promise of universal health care, and failing to do so.
    3. A long record of sub-service to and funding from powerful special interest groups such as lobbyists and the pharmaceutical industry.

  • Until Bill decided to introduce race into the campaign, African-American voters did not have the confidence to support Obama, but once that happened then the floodgates opened and Hillary lost enough support that would have otherwise bought her sufficinet delegates to win. This is what actually lost her the nomination.

  • When she insulted the party loyals–African Americans, she lost the election. If she had succeeded in maintaining a mere 25% of the African American vote she would have won the popular and delegate totals. The “Chief strategist” Mark Penn strategy to covet the “hard working white American” vote in exchange for essentially a negative AA vote did not add up fifteen months ago and any pollster familiar with the most basic of demographic concepts would warned her to avoid this strategy. It is double edge-sword–now she has a serious breach with the AA community and seriously jeaopardized any reelection efforts in NY state that involves the AA vote. Even Rangel sought to distance himself recently.

  • Obama camp shouldn’t mingle with clinton failures. Can we win in Nov. without Hillary as V.P? YES WE CAN !YES WE CAN!

  • 41. Jan said: Number 1, he is NOT QUALIFIED to be President.

    Care to explain what you think the qualifications for president are? Also, explain how Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and John Kennedy met them but Obama somehow doesn’t?

  • Doubtful at 48: “What are you trying to accomplish with a comment about Obama surviving on big bad Hollywood donors and is a far left candidate? The whole comment was nothing more than a right wing troll. You may be bitter about the outcome of primary, but this attitude is unhelpful and not conducive to electing a Democrat in November.”

    I think you’re reading my comment very differently than it was intended. I intended to communicate that the “conventional wisdom” being passed off on why HRC lost is made up of cartoon images like “Obama raised all his money through grassroots small supporters while Hillary depended on big donors.” It’s just not true. Obama had David Geffen throwing parties for him early and he got a lot of the same kinds of Hollywood donors that the Clintons are always being accused of relying on. Hillary had thousands and thousands of small donors. I don’t have any problem with Hollywood donors to either of them. I’m trying to argue that some of these reasons are overgeneralizations and not valid reasons for the result.

    I don’t think of him as a far left candidate, either, but I do think the left of the Dem party supported him, and rejected her, because of her vote on the AUMF.

  • The less we dwell on ‘what went wrong’ with her campaign, the better. That’s like rubbing salt in the wound — She finally conceded and we now need her help in securing all of her supporters, many of whom, as we now know, just may jump to McCain. This is one of those times where it is actually a better idea to just keep on moving forward with her as positively as possible, no questions asked…

  • 1) Incompetence. Her incompetence. It was HER campaign; don’t blame her staff.

    2) The “Clinton” name. Name recognition and found memories of Bill by conservative Democrats helped, but the activist progressive base of the Party turned out against the Clinton name.

    3) The War–though, if it were that simple, Kucinich would be the nominee.

  • jan @ 41, why would you start listing the reasons why Obama’s not qualified to be President, and then end with “Number 1?” Were you momentarily distracted by a shiny object? Really excellent “My Super Sweet 16” grab your attention?

    As far as I’m concerned, it’s all about the hubris, the ego, and the lies. I was for Edwards and then for Obama, but still liked Clinton a lot. The belittling of caucus states/small states/states with larger AA populations/states Clinton didn’t win rubbed me the wrong way. Whether it was public posturing or not, it came across as an inability to accept defeat and learn from mistakes (which would repeat itself often). The Bosnia goof? Did she REALLY think she wouldn’t be called out on that, ever? Complimenting McCain’s leadership skills OVER OBAMA? “Not a Muslim, as far as I know?” “Reject is the not he same as renounce?” If you’re not for Clinton you must be a sexist? Obama’s only still in it cuz he’s black, Geraldine? The Kennedy gaffe? It only served to reinforce the notion that Clinton & her team was in it for herself, and not for a higher purpose. It was a cumulative effect that resulted in enmity truly earned. The polls represented this, as states where Clinton won primaries changed allegiance to Obama. She made her own bed.

    I still hope, before long, Clinton does the full-blown mea culpa, because if Obama were to blow it and she expects to run in 2012, she needs to mend some major fences. It’s a “forgive, not forget” kinda thing. It’s great that she’s now FINALLY on the same page, but man, were she to run again, the sleazier aspects of her campaign will be an albatross unless she repudiates (renounces AND rejects) them, soon.

    I’m still of the opinion that Clinton is at her best when she can be thoughtful and not have to compete. A position in the Administration like HHS would suit her. A Supreme Justice might be better still, as it will afford her an opportunity to really put her “it takes a village” concept to the test, making decisions that wil affect generations without the demands of campaigning, and without the sort of hih-profile life she’s been forced to lead. And while that glass ceiling has been broken already, I’d still think a whole lot of young girls would b moved to dream seeing another woman on the Supeme Court.

  • Sexism has nothing to do with incompetence. Incompetents come in all shapes, sizes, ages, genders, races, sexual preferences, etc.

    It basically comes down to the Clinton campaign being ready to fight the War of 1992, rather than the War of 2008. For so long as there have been wars, the one thing that has pretty much always defined the losers is they were ready to fight the last war.

    As I said back in February, the Clinton campaign was an Imperial Army that was defeated by guerilla warriors that got inside their OODA loop, forcing them to swing wildly, more and moreso, each time looking more and more foolish and loosing more and more of their moral capital, till in the end the Clintons had lost all claim of moral coruage, intellectual ability, and competence. This was classic 4GW warfare.

    I rather suspect the same thing is about the happen to Grampy, who will be much easier, since he’s your standard issue Republican moron, surrounded by idiots, all of whom are too stupid to know what morons and idiots they are. He’s already flailing, so badly that even some of his “base” in the MSM has been forced to start taking notice.

    The real question is how big our victory is going to be. But if we fall into thinking that, we’ll end up in the same place the Clintons did.

  • I still hope, before long, Clinton does the full-blown mea culpa,[…] — slappy magoo, @60

    While I agree with a lot of what you’d said @60 (and with most of your posts in general), I do not agree with that. I’ve “seen” (as in: read and heard about; not witnessed personally) too many public “renouncements of sins”, which had been extracted by the communist parties all over the Eastern Europe and China. They’re soul-destroying to everyone, including the listeners (unless the listeners are psychological sadists). They’re not constructive at all.

    Yes, I’ve also lost my respect for her, because of the cumulative effect of all those things you mention. And I’ll forever have trouble trusting her again. But. Let her at least *try* to rebuild that trust and respect by her actions instead of demanding that she wear a hairshirt in public.

  • pfgr (#57): I can tell you for a fact that Obama had nowhere near the “Hollywood support” that the Clintons did when the campaign began and even as late as Super Tuesday. “Conventional wisdom” in Hollywood is always conventional (which is why they create so much crap). They love to be on the bandwagon and identified with The Winner. In fact, more people in Hollywood bought the “inevitability” argument than anywhere else in the country outside of Washington D.C.

    Trust me, up to about a month ago, Obama people in Hollywood did not go around making a public point of it without knowing for sure that the Studio Executive they were talking to was also an Obama supporter beforehand, because it was “dangerous” to your movie career.

    It’s nothing new, just the way Hollywood always works. Every hit movie was turned down everywhere else but the place it got made, and the Monday after it’s successful on opening weekend, every person who said “no” instructs their development people: “Get me a script like that one!!!” Everybody in Hollywood loves being #2 and only the people crazy enough to be willing to risk all on doing something good ever take the risks to make any of the movies any of you ever like.

    The same thing happens with politics. In the past week, I have had all sorts of conversations with people who say “you know, I was thinking back when (name an egregious Clinton mistake) they did that, that it really wasn’t going to work.” Yeah, right, and only last month Harvey Weinstein and Haim Saban were threatening Pelosi and Reid that they’d cut off Senatorial campaign and Congressional campaign financing if they didn’t change the rules so The Girl Could Win. And my bet is nobody turned the corner faster than those two – the force of the exhaust would probably have spun anyone nearby 360 degrees.

    There’s a reason the place is Okeefenokee West.

  • Late to the party…what can I say.

    Not to be redundant, but AUMF wasn’t as huge, to me, as Kyl-Lieberman.

    Not taking the AUMF vote was bad enough…never saying it was a mistake, that was bad but to say another country’s military is a terrorist organization, how fucked is our own military for that? What countries will be saying that our men and women are terrorists?

    Kyl-Lieberman. Worst. Vote. Ever.

    And it lost me as anyone who might ever consider Clinton.

    Bad judgment which continued throughout the entire primary.

  • I would apportion blame 50/50 on the Iraq vote and Mark Penn.

    I agree with everyone above who dislikes Clinton because she voted for the war and refused to apologize for it. Unfortunately, as Danp points out, nearly all of Clinton’s potential competition had compromised themselves the same way. The only way a credible anti-war challenger could arise was if a complete outsider entered the fray. Clinton doubtless figured she could play the experience card, as she eventually did against Obama, and pull out a win.

    That’s where Penn comes in. I think he single-handedly derailed Clinton’s argument for “experience”. Apparently he had no clue how delegates were awarded, leading to Clinton’s loss on Super Tuesday, and he spoke openly about which states were and weren’t “significant”. Clinton had other personnel issues, but so did Obama and everyone else. If a junior staffer turns out to be incompetent, blame can be laid on a subordinate, not the candidate herself. Penn’s apparent incompetence led more people to question Clinton’s own competence than, for example, the people who were fired for forwarding the Muslim e-mails.

    You can thus see how the dominoes fell. Everyone voting for the war back in 2002 convinced Obama that he had a path to victory and he threw his hat into the ring. Up until Iowa I figured he was in it to send a message and that Edwards would be Clinton’s primary challenger. Obama dispatched Edwards by winning Iowa and concentrated on building organizations in each state to pick up delegates. Clinton abandoned all of the caucus states and Obama found himself ahead after Super Tuesday. After that all he had to do was run out the clock.

    Impressive. After all is said and done, I’m glad he’s the candidate. Their public bravado aside, McCain and his group have to be pretty pessimistic about their chances right now.

  • Hey, Demmies – Obama takes no oil money?

    Guess how many oil companies the Kennedy’s own?

    The Kennedy family owns three oil drilling companies: Arctic Oil, Kenoil, and Mokeen Oil. Over the years it has made tens of millions of dollars in profits off these oil interests.

    Decrying “excessive profits by oil companies,” Kennedy led a successful drive to eliminate the 22 percent oil depletion allowance, a tax break he said amounted to “welfare for oil companies.”

    But the fine print in Kennedy’s bill allowed certain “small” oil companies, including those owned by the Senator’s family, to keep their depletion allowance. In the twenty-plus years since the legislation was passed, the Kennedy oil companies have taken hundreds of thousands of dollars in oil depletion allowance.

    why don’t you stupid dumb s.o.b.’s
    do some research on your “heroes”?

    One thing that can never be overestimated – the gullibility of the masses.

  • I would direct people to view what i have already written about this on kos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/7/65140/88379/353/531532

    When you say:
    Is it me, or is the common thread to most of this Mark Penn?

    You are very much correct. He was responsible for strategy and many of the bad ideas were his ideas. He is second in responsibility for the los only to Hillary herself for her staffing decisions. In the end since she signs off on the decisions she is responsible but i think almost anyone but Mark Penn would have gotten the job done.

  • This statement from your post does not hold water, not at all: “…Clinton leaves the stage with her head held high.” Hillary’s handling of her campaign, for which she showcased her most UNexemplary commander-in-chief style, will not be forgotten by many in the Democratic Party for her egocentric, untrustworthy, and slash-n-burn tactics. Her head should be reviewing where she went wrong, and she’s got a lot to think about there! If she dares to run for national office again, then she will find that her conduct in 2008 will haunt her.

  • Fascinating (though long) article in NYT about the Clinton campaign, how it worked behind the scenes and who was guilty — or not — of what:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/us/politics/08recon.html?hp
    Also, in the Opinion section (for Sunday, June 8, as is the article above), see 13 political operatives doing the same (what went wrong) post-mortem. Leading off with Mark Penn himself. Talk about “revisionism”!

  • Clinton lost (thank God) because millions of shlubs like ME got off our asses and worked to get Obama the votes he needed, and we did that because Obama is the better person. Hillary never apologized for her AUMF vote, and that tells you a lot about her. How hard would it be to do it? For most of us it wouldn’t be terribly hard, although most of us would probably not have given Bush the benefit of the doubt and would have checked his “facts” before handing him the biggest blank check ever cashed. But Hillary apparently doesn’t do apologies because that would give ammo to her enemies (better to take ammo from your allies I guess).

    I mention the AUMF non-apology not because it’s the only thing I based my vote on, but because it is emblematic of her entire campaign. All the other BS she pulled, from the “as far as I know” bullshit to the “popular vote” bullshit, she and her people pulled some unbelievable stunts which would have worked in our moron-media-addled environment, were it not for the die-hard blog-literate shlubs like me who donated and caucused and walked and called and did the myriad little things necessary to elect a great candidate instead of one which we would not have been proud of.

    There’s no single thing she did that caused her to lose, although I suspect her Tuzla lies were probably the biggest self-inflicted wound. But no matter what actually did it, I’m very glad we dodged that bullet. Imagine Mark Penn leading the campaign against MCain. UGH.

  • Hillary hired Mark Penn and Patti Solid Doyle.

    Barack hired Axelrod and Plouffe.

    The main job of the President is hiring smart people and building a good team.

    Based on who they hired to run their campaigns Obama is far more qualified to be President than Clinton is.

    If HRC thought Penn and Doyle were good hires who would she have hired as SecDef or SecState? Who would she have appointed to the courts?

    The best an the brightest? Or the most loyal?

  • And, of course, there can be no doubt that sexism, fueled by pundits like Chris Matthews, undermined the campaign’s efforts and message.

    Maybe “distracted from” her message.

    I’m with Calling All Toasters@4

    I don’t think anyone took Matthew’s seriously who was inclined to vote for her beforehand.

    His moronic knuckle dragging may have galvanized some of her supporters who were in the mix largely for feminist ideals.

    At least, that’s what *I* was concerned about when you reported on it. “This is going to cheese her supporters off big time.” would sum up my thoughts. “Oooo this will cost her big time” never even crossed my mind.

  • John McCain: Suck on this, poor people!
    McCainonomics 101.
    John McCain: Your retirement is too secure as it is, don’t you think?
    John McCain: Suck on this, OH, PA, MI!
    John McCain: Can’t poor sick children just get a job already?
    John McCain: 100 more years of war!
    John McCain supporting our troops by keeping them uneducated.
    Who knows better how you should act with your own body, why of course, John McCain!
    4 more years of Bush/McCain policies! They’ve worked so well so far!

  • For me I know it happened when she supported McCain over Obama as being vetted and experienced. If your a dem the worst thing you can do is say your potential election opponent is better qualified than your primary opponent. She should have supported Obama or any other dem candidate over McCain…not to do so was treason to the party. If she was willing to throw in with McCain to beat Obama that indicated to me that she was for sale if the price was right because her democratic principles just went straight out the window. She could never take that one back.

    But why all the analysis with Clinton. I don’t remember any of this kind of post campaign analysis with any other candidate. Is this a Clinton Fixation?

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