A decisive turn of events in Indiana, North Carolina

For the better part of two months, after Barack Obama had already amassed a seemingly insurmountable lead over Hillary Clinton, the Clinton campaign worked aggressively to reframe the debate — Obama had the math, Clinton had the momentum. He had the numbers; she had the narrative.

It now appears Clinton has neither.

In one respect, last night ended up largely as planned — a split decision in which both candidates won the states they were expected to win. But for about eight weeks or so, Clinton has been fueled by the perception of a competitive nomination fight, and expectations about her strengths and his weaknesses. And now those factors point to a Clinton campaign that appears to have run out of talking points.

Even if one ignores the significance of margins — Obama won North Carolina by 14.7 points; Clinton won Indiana by 1.8 points — and even if one accepts the premise that these are not game-changing results, this still isn’t good enough for the Clinton campaign. The May 6 primaries were an opportunity — Clinton’s last opportunity — to fundamentally reshape the race and make a plausible argument for her nomination.

She could not, to borrow a phrase, “close the deal.”

After her success in early March, Clinton saw an uphill climb, but also saw the benefits of waiting — she could stay in the game long enough to see if Obama falters under the weight of controversies, then go to the superdelegates with a compelling case that Obama was too damaged to win a general election. All Clinton needed were some flaps and frenzies to seriously undermine his chances.

Oddly enough, she got them. By any reasonable measure, March and April were decidedly unpleasant for Team Obama. Did anything go right? He was hit with Jeremiah Wright (twice), and “bitter-gate,” and a dip in the polls, and an unimpressive debate — all the while facing Clinton’s self-described kitchen-sink strategy.

It created a perfect scenario Clinton couldn’t have scripted any better — a reeling Obama, marred by controversy, falters in North Carolina and Indiana, prompting superdelegates to panic.

Everything was going to plan, right up until voters actually went to the polls.

I expect that Clinton will keep on fighting, but the writing is on the wall, whether she prefers to read it or not.

Senator Barack Obama won a commanding victory in the North Carolina primary on Tuesday and lost narrowly to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Indiana, an outcome that injected a boost of momentum to Mr. Obama’s candidacy as the Democratic nominating contest entered its final month.

The results from the two primaries, the largest remaining Democratic ones, assured that Mr. Obama would widen his lead in pledged delegates over Mrs. Clinton, providing him with new ammunition as he seeks to persuade Democratic leaders to coalesce around his campaign. He also increased his lead in the popular vote in winning North Carolina by more than 200,000 votes.

“Don’t ever forget that we have a choice in this country,” Mr. Obama said in an address in Raleigh, N.C., that carried the unity themes of a convention speech. “We can choose not to be divided; that we can choose not to be afraid; that we can still choose this moment to finally come together and solve the problems we’ve talked about all those other years in all those other elections.”

In winning North Carolina by 14 percentage points, Mr. Obama — whose campaign had been embattled by controversy over the incendiary remarks of his former pastor — recorded his first primary victory in nearly two months. His campaign was preparing to open a new front in his battle with Mrs. Clinton, intensifying the argument to uncommitted Democratic superdelegates that he weathered a storm and that the time was dawning for the party to concentrate on the general election.

Oddly enough, it’s now Obama who can make use of Clinton’s talking points. He’s the one who can persevere. He’s the one who keeps fighting, even after having been knocked down. He’s the durable candidate who bounces back from adversity.

Looking at the landscape, that Obama will end this contest with more delegates, votes, and states is no longer in doubt. Since Super Tuesday, Obama has won more superdelegates at a rate of 5 to 1. If Clinton is a lawyer and the party is the jury, she’s trying to make a closing argument without any evidence.

There may be a compelling reason for Clinton to drag the process out even further, but I can’t think of it.

How wonderful that a contest in mid-May matters. This is one hell of a race.

  • “There may be a compelling reason for Clinton to drag the process out even further, but I can’t think of it.” TCB

    Simple — there are more rules that need to be broken in order to prove that she can’t win without breaking the rules. Rules are for losers.

  • What will stop her is math. Not votes. Not delegates. Not superdelegates. Not Michigan/Fl. It’s the money maths.

    Despite her 8 million dollar bump, she’s still in the red and these results aren’t going to bring in the funds. Penn and Ohio pretty much drained her accounts. She didn’t spend much in Indy because she needed her coin in NC where it went for naught. She’s going to have a Mittens moment where the cost of trying to win a very lost cause will be balanced by Her and Bill’s desire to keep their fortune/greed/avarice/fiscal prudence/whatever.

  • The primaries are over, the rest of her campaign is an opportunity to raise enough money to pay herself back. Once she has repaid her “loans” she will drop out. The question is, how many suckers are there out there willing to give a multi-millionaire some cash?

  • It is time for the Dimocratic SuperDelegates…

    It is time for them to acknowledge:
    – Obama stomped Billary in North Carolina
    – Billary did NOT WIN INDIANA Rush Limbaugh did
    – That Billary cannot ‘win’ the nomination in any manner that can be perceived as legitimate

    It is time for them to prove:
    – That our country is more important than the Clintons
    – That their can put their country in front of their fear of the Clintons

    If the Billary camp continues over the next two weeks to attempt to destroy Obama, they will provide further evidence that:
    – They want to get McCrap elected so that Hillary can run in 2012
    – They know that the Clintons are more important than the Democratic Party
    – They know that the Clintons are more important than their country

    It is time for the Dimocratic SuperDelegates to prove that they are Democrats and not Dumbocrats. It is time for the SuperDelegates to end the ongoing farce of a Clinton ‘destroy all opposition’ campaign.

    It is time to stop the DLC/DINO/Rush Limbaugh control of the Democratic Party nomination process.

  • By any reasonable measure, March and April were decidedly unpleasant for Team Obama. Did anything go right? He was hit with Jeremiah Wright (twice), and “bitter-gate,” and a dip in the polls, and an unimpressive debate — all the while facing Clinton’s self-described kitchen-sink strategy.

    Meanwhile Clinton had the foreign policy credentials gap (Tuzla, Kosovo, Ireland), the Bomb Iran gaffe, the voter suppression robocalls, the Penn lobbying against stated position problem, and the I-don’t-listen-to-experts gaffe. But then I guess it’s only a problem if the media tells you so.

    I’m sure she will say her problem was that Obama outspent her a zillion to one, but that free media was far more effective than any of her arguments, or his money advantage.

  • Time to move on and concentrate on John McCain. Hillary Clinton’s story ended last night. Even if she doesn’t drop out I think her coverage will greatly reduce. Obama and McCain will start going head to head. The media will begin to examine McCain more closely. Specualtion on their respective running mates will begin in earnest.

    How she exits will determine whether or not the Clintons remain players in the Democratic Party. If she leaves with grace I could definitely see her ending up on the Supreme Court.

  • There may be a compelling reason for Clinton to drag the process out even further, but I can’t think of it.

    Vanity. Pure and simple.

  • 9 posts so far and none of them support Clinton.

    Some of the posters seem to dispise her.

    I know the sample is small and the people who post here are not the regular rank and file democrats but….

    It would be wonderful if enough super delegates went for Obama and someone went to Bill and Hillary and convinced her to quit.

  • Clinton cannot call Indiana a big win. She won by just over 22,000 votes as compared to the over 200,000 vote win for Obama in North Carolina. Not sure she can make the case that she has the momentum now.

    Ego, vanity, and willful blindness will keep her in however.

  • There may be a compelling reason for Clinton to drag the process out even further, but I can’t think of it.

    I can think of two, in addition to those above ($$ and vanity). There may be some shred of her reputation yet to be tarnished. There may be some voter demographic that has yet to be insulted.

    Hillary, you’ve come a long way baby. From being a widely respected leader in the Democratic Party to a shameless panderer who is able to say “experts, we don’t need no stinkin experts.” I would never have believed it possible.

  • CB

    After her success in early March, Clinton saw an uphill climb, but also saw the benefits of waiting — she could stay in the game long enough to see if Obama falters under the weight of controversies, then go to the superdelegates with a compelling case that Obama was too damaged to win a general election. All Clinton needed were some flaps and frenzies to seriously undermine his chances.

    Oddly enough, she got them. By any reasonable measure, March and April were decidedly unpleasant for Team Obama. Did anything go right? He was hit with Jeremiah Wright (twice), and “bitter-gate,” and a dip in the polls, and an unimpressive debate — all the while facing Clinton’s self-described kitchen-sink strategy.

    It created a perfect scenario Clinton couldn’t have scripted any better — a reeling Obama, marred by controversy, falters in North Carolina and Indiana, prompting superdelegates to panic.

    Everything was going to plan, right up until voters actually went to the polls.

    All this might have been the “perfect scenario” for Clinton if her campaign had been without its own (self-inflicted) wounds, sniper fire, those stupid boilermakers and macho talk about guns and hunting, the gas tax pandering,.her lack of campaign funds, Bill’s running off at the mouth, etc. What she hoped would happen to Obama came back and slapped her in the face.

    She, oddly enough and despite her high-pitched play on Obama’s troubles, seems to have suffered more from her actions against him than he did. Once again she reminds me of Wile E. Coyote.

    Well, the turn does seem decisive. We’ll know soon enough what she plans to do. And what the party plans to do about her.

    Generations of political science majors in universities will quite likely study this election with a Black candidate and a femal candidate to try to identify how it changed American political campaigning. It may be as simple as Obama’s goal of abandoning the “old time” Washington campaign style. It was the time to do it — GW Bush’s horrible style of governing has nearly ruined America, and the difference between “old time” campaigning and his governing is nearly nonexistent. Dishonest, nasty, fraudulent, mendacious, etc. The campaigning for the next president had to have a different focus where integrity mattered or America was lost.

    What kind of president Obama will be is still to be seen, but we know with a certain dreariness how Hillary would have been. Other ventures have been successful when launched on a wing and a prayer, powered by hope. That may be quite enough for Obama’s feet to find solid ground as the next president…

  • Hillary needs to prove beyond any doubt, that she cannot be nominated and Obama cannot be elected. Tough love America — Heeere’s Johnny!

  • To Neil, some of us are former Hillary supporters who have been made to feel very foolish for ever supporting her in the first place.

  • “If the Billary camp continues over the next two weeks to attempt to destroy Obama, they will provide further evidence that:
    – They want to get McCrap elected so that Hillary can run in 2012
    – They know that the Clintons are more important than the Democratic Party
    – They know that the Clintons are more important than their country”

    There’s really no evidence of this, yet, only small indications. She’s probably staying in because she’s convinced that the Democrats are a lock in November and that this is her best, if not very likely her only chance at getting into the White House. She does have all the signs of a politician who doesn’t want to admit defeat even if she has started to read the writing on the wall. She hasn’t done anything very damaging to him, not has she put the party through any outrageous levels of stress, even with her frustrating, desparate tactics . (I know some are likely to stay that her mere presence is damaging, but there’s not very much evidence for this, at least as far as I’ve seen.)

  • So, the next question is– will she make nice now and angle to be VP? Does she want it? If she does, will he offer it to her?

    I think the argument could be made that Obama has shown her the light and she now understands the New Style of Politics and she is a changed woman– considering all of the personas she tried on during the primary this one could be the last one.

  • I watched an interview with the lawyer who represented the Loving’s in the Supreme Court case against the state of Virginia last night on McNeil /Lehrer last night and it should be broadcast on all national television to remind folks of why there is such a huge turn out of young, black and educated individuals for Obama. The Loving’s were arrested and jailed for marrying. He, white, was bailed out. She, black, remained in jail until the trial. They were kicked out of the state of Virginia. This wasn’t ancient history this was 1958…50 years ago and there are a great many of us alive who remember segregation cruelty brought about by white racists, some of whom still serve in Congress. When this case came before the Supreme Court in 1964 there were 20 states that had a law against inter-racial marriage. Blacks had to use seperate bathrooms, drinking fountains,retaurants etc…I am a white, female over 60 who abhors Hillary & her campaign for the way they have handeled this whole campaign and panderedto uneducated, white voters. It smacks of racism.

  • In fact #6 Smiling Dixie – Barack is now officially pointing out the “Rush Limbaugh control” that you talk about.

    In his fundraising e-mail after the victory:

    “We just won a decisive victory in North Carolina thanks to people like you.

    Indiana remains too close to call. But what is clear is that we did much better than all the pundits predicted, despite Republicans changing parties to support Senator Clinton, believing she would be easier for Senator McCain to defeat.

    Here’s where we stand.

    As of Tuesday morning, we needed just 273 delegates to clinch the nomination. When the votes are fully counted Wednesday morning, we will have gained more than a third of them in a single day.

    We have a clear path to victory”
    ……

  • Isn’t a boilermaker supposed to be a shot (with glass included) dropped into a beer? I’ve never understood how that worked.

    I think that Hon. Sen. Clinton could use her delegates and supporters to move to straighten out the primary system. I mean if the GOP beats the Democrats to a moderately intelligent (and intelligible) system, what does that say?

  • A Democratic candidate that can only eke out a win in a state that she was supposed to win by a double-digit margin; a Democratic candidate who can only win that state through the obscene application of Republican talking points and Neoconservative deceits; a Democratic candidate who can only gain such a meager and perverse victory with the aid of Rush Limbaugh—is neither a viable candidate nor a Democrat.

  • I have no idea why you people are so giddy. Senator Clinton decisively won Indiana and Mr. Other won a state that is 97% black. Big deal.

    The question is still whether he can get anyone to vote for him other than African Americans on public assistance (but that’s redundant) and limousine liberals who scoff at the plight of real Americans. Can he carry a single blue state? I don’t think so. I doubt he can even win Illinois against McCain, and he certainly isn’t going to prevail in California, New York or Massachusetts. If there were any polls available on Obama-McCain and Clinton-McCain in any of these states, I could show you how wrong you are, but unfortunately there hasn’t been any polling. You’ll have to go with my instincts because my solidarity with working folks is developed far beyond yours. Stinkers.

  • No Zoe.

    I hoping and thinking Clinton will not be VP. She’s proven herself to be a party of one, her ambition. If she was forced on him then I hope he sleeps with one eye open and has a lot of nice kevlar vests.

  • I’m still waiting for IFP to do a parody-esque skit about the battle-hardened political veteran getting waxed by a rookie poor helpless white lady who got mugged by some black dude.

    *with profound apologies to my fellow Obama supporters….

  • One reason for Hil to drag it out is that she’s actually interested in helping the party in the general election, despite all evidence to the contrary. She’s likely to win in West Virginia (like 60/40 now?). It would look bad for the party’s nominee to lose an uncontested primary before the convention. So, Hillary can win West Virginia, then drop out with her peacemaking speach – for the good of the Party.

    Also, keep in mind that the party NEEDS Hillary supporters in the general election. Obama supporters shouldn’t crow too loudly – there needs to be peace making on both sides to win in November.

  • You laugh, Steve, but some asshole over at Washington Monthly actually compared Clinton’s losses to a “mugging.” I’m not assuming he put racial implications into that, but the image of Clinton’s “entitlement” being taken by a “thief” who actually got more people to vote for him is offensive enough.

  • Sorry. Forgot to change my handle. Will stay incogneet for now.

  • I have been convinced all along that Hillary was getting a lot of right-wing support because she herself is a right-winger, that her campaigning style and her foreign policy proposals appealed to them because they were authoritarian and familiar. If Obama’s win of the nomination puts many of Hillary’s supporters into John McCain’s hands, I think they would be there anyway were Hillary not running. There’s not a whole lot that Obama can do to win over real right-wingers, and it would be a heartbreaker to try. All he can do is keep a friendly door open and hope that the next few years open up opportunities for us to act and react in non-partisan ways to events.

    Many Hillary supporters will probably end up in the “undecided” slice of the pie, really disappointed, and looking for a place to land. I’ve already been there twice in this nomination process, having “lost” two prior candidates I supported. That is definitely not a comfortable zone to be in. But when the GE campaign between McCain and Obama begins in earnest, I think much of what has gone before in the nomination process will be forgotten. McCain really does represent the neocons and the Bush administration, and once Obama makes the choices clear, I believe people will vote in their own self-interests, not for McCain.

  • Ben– Couldn’t agree more. We’re just doing our little victory dance today and getting out the residual Clinton fatigue out of our systems. Naturally we’ll be more than happy to make nice with her supporters.

    It’s been a hard, rough battle, I personally don’t have any hard feelings towards Hillary or her supporters.

  • Hillary has managed to polarize the party, which the Dems like to do to themselves, and the longer she stays in the more rigid the lines of division will be. Many of my friends who supported her in the beginning have changed their minds. I was reasonably neutral at the outset, although I disagreed with her on Iraq, and her general enabling of Bush as a Senator. I felt I could vote for her if she turned out to be the nominee without having to hold my nose. I really don’t feel that way any longer. If by some disaster she turns out to be the nominee I will likely sit out the election. In my state it won’t matter, but I can’t in good conscience vote for her after her behavior in recent months. I’ve gone from neutral to negative, and I’m quite likely to stay there.

  • Well, as a Clinton supporter, I have to say this is a clear failure on her part.

    Now if Indiana was 14% for her and North Carolina was 2% for Obama, then she’d have a chance.

    Despite all the comments about vanity, I think the Clinton campaign is running for one thing, the ability to determine who will be the Vice Presidential nominee. Because I think she’d take it, and if she stays in Senator Obama is not going to have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination outright. So I see Senator Clinton playing the Super Delegates trying to fix up a ‘Dream Ticket’.

    But as I’ve said I’ll vote for either, I can hardly complain about voting for both.

  • Does anyone else think that McCain is going to drop out and Mitt is going to be the one we’re running against?

    If I were the GOP I wouldn’t want to watch my old war hero get bloodied by a bunch of pansy liberals. Without Hillary to galvanize the party McCain is toast. McCain has already proven that talking is not his strength and Obama will make him look feebly, old and out of touch. You don’t run a horse on its last legs against a young thoroughbred.

    It’s time for them to change horses– although I certainly hope that they don’t.

  • Superdelegate Jeanette Council goes Obama.

    From The Raw Story: “Dr. Council said that she had been contacted numerous times by both campaigns, though she said the Clinton campaign has been more aggressive. She seemed upset about calls from the campaign.”

    “They asked me what it would take to get my vote and I said, ‘I don’t think I heard you right,'” Dr. Council told RAW STORY Tuesday. ‘I know I didn’t hear you imply that my vote was for sale” ‘Oh no,’ [they said], ‘that wasn’t what I intended to say at all.’ … ‘Then what the hell do you mean?'”

  • There is a kind of desperation to reporting results in decimals, 1.8, not 2. Clinton cut Obama’s lead in NC by ten points from earlier polls.

    Brian Williams made an interesting comment. He on-air instructed the control room not to direct pundits to talk over Clinton’s entrance. Why would he need to do that? The churlishness with which he insisted on fairness was notable as well. These things are tiresome — I point them out because I doubt you Obama enthusiasts would have noticed.

  • That raises an interesting question. What could Clinton possibly have said or done at any time in the past to have gained significant numbers of African American votes?

  • That raises an interesting question. What could Clinton possibly have said or done at any time in the past to have gained significant numbers of African American votes?

    She (or her surrogates) could have not called him a druggie/drug dealer, she could have stopped Bill from talking about Jesse Jackson as a way to diminish an Obama victory, she could have laid off the “he’s just a smooth talker,” she certainly would have not made the clunky LBJ MLK comment in the way she did, she wouldn’t have said “as far as I know” and “that’s what he says” about the muslim rumors.

    Really, it’s not even so much things she needed to do — it’s things she needed to not do.

    Also, she could have planned a campaign that didn’t assume her victory. She could have planned for a 50 state primary season, even if she thought that was foolish.

    It’s not about her being victimized — it’s about how she made bad choices and exercised bad judgment.

  • Remember last fall-early winter when Clinton polled overwhelmingly better than Obama among African Americans? Oh, that’s right; Mary had never heard of polls until I introduced her to the concept yesterday and she then cracked us up by arguing that a site that posts all polls for a given state is “cherry-picking.” (That might be one of my favorite Mary numbskulleries evah.)

    Clinton had the African American vote well after the biracial guy entered the race. Then she and Bill lost it.

    It’s over, Mary. Your girl fumbled the ball too many times and the game’s finished. With or without you, the party’s moving on to the general. We hope to take all the honest and decent Clinton supporters who are real Democrats with us, but we’re not going to worry about the handful like you who are beyond reason. Life’s too short to waste it courting a few dead-end crazies.

    zoe: Does anyone else think that McCain is going to drop out and Mitt is going to be the one we’re running against?

    Only if Mitt’s the VP candidate. I think there is a small possibility that McCain could have to drop out between now and November for medical reasons. I am watching their VP choice very closely.

  • Jen said: “Also, [Clinton] could have planned a campaign that didn’t assume her victory. She could have planned for a 50 state primary season, even if she thought that was foolish.”

    And expensive. And it would make her beholden to even more people if she won the election. 2nd level Campaign staff expect more then money during the election. They expect jobs during the Administration.

    Remember the fact that the Bushite Administration is full of incompetents because these people had jobs in the 2000 and 2004 campaigns and Boy George II had no other way to reward them but to give them jobs in the executive branch.

    But you are basically right.

  • …those stupid boilermakers… -aristedes

    But…Tippecanoe county in Indiana, home of the Purdue Boilermakers, my alma mater, was Obama country! 🙂

  • LOL IFP just let his/her real hand show. I always thought that your post were totally satirical. Now I know for sure. IFP you should get a job with Jon Stewert on the Daily Show. You are very good at satire.

  • Would we even be going through this if the roles were reversed? If it were Senator Obama who was losing? I humbly submit that we would not. He would have been strongly rejected by now. So if we choose to believe that then why is it Senator Clinton can continue in this vein?

    In one word, “racism” She is banking that there are enough people who will refuse to vote for Senator Obama because of his race, and in many primaries she has been right. Call it what you want, but it frightens some to think that an African-American could be our next president. It’s sickening to think that we haven’t come that far over the last century.

  • Ok, Ok…. Hillary won texas by 1, and did well in Ohio and Penn. She squeaked a 2 pointer in Indiana. Thats all cool. But lets not forget that Hillary won 4 of the last 21 states… Read that again. 4/21 went to Hillary. Gravity is real. Reality is real. The earth is round. It revolves around the sun. And with just 33 more primary delegates it becomes impossible for Hillary to surpass Obama in elected delegates.

    Reality is a useful bench mark.

    Nuff said.

  • Hillary went from being a tough fighter to a self-serving socialpath. The more you get to know her the nuttier she gets. Wouldn’t vote for her in any election ever. Vote for Hillary and get four more years of Geoge W. Bush. I think she takes Adderall. Just look at her deer caught in a headlight eyes.

  • Insane Fake Professor…

    There’s really good medication on the market now for that obvious mental problem you have. Too bad there isn’t medication for that obvious stupidity problem you’re also suffering from. “African-Americans on public assistance” come on…we’ve heard this song before…it’s time to change the tune.

  • I was once a Hillary supporter until she totally lost her mind and became the most unbelievable politician I’ve ever heard of.

    Had Mr. Obama lost 10 contests in a row as did Hillary, the DNC would’ve tossed hime out of the race by the back of his neck and the seat of his pants. It’s mathematically impossible for her to win. She needs take her beating like she’s got “testicular fortitude” and get out now. That’s it and that’s all.

  • I’ve decided. It’s Barrack son of Obama. Superdelegates can you pleaselisten to the legitimate voice of the voter and end this race ASAP?

  • HRC,
    Stay in the game if you wish. Just play nice and try to run out the clock without intentionally injuring the other guy. First cheap shot with intent to injure, and we’re all going to through your butt off the field and end the game.
    Your Friends,
    The Super-Delegates

  • ….W.V. will be her last hurrah she will make big noises about it.
    may 31st in the dems meeting about FL.and MI. she will try to brow beat the party rules committee with bill at her side yelling and screaming until they are thrown out of the room literally.
    she will stage a protest at denver and ask for a revolt of supers..they will not budge…
    she will then do what brought her husband to power only in reverse she will form a third party and like perot she will split the vote.
    thus obama will win the presidency with a qourum.
    she will end up in dept with no political future having burned all of her bridges on both the left and right. not even the herion hillbilly limbaugh will take her calls.
    she becomes unelectable,
    she gets investigated by the obama justice dept for campiagn loans of which it turns out some of the money has come from foriegn governments ie:kazekstan and columbia.
    her and bill and chelsea (sorry kid your name was on the loan papers also) all go to jail for 2 yrs for illegal election activitys and as convicted federal felons are stripped of their rights to vote or hold elective office.
    so ends the tale of miss crown royal

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