A ferocious flip-flop fight

CNN reports today that when it comes to a flat-tax, Rudy [tag]Giuliani[/tag] was against it before he was for it.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani once said that a flat income tax “would be a terrible mistake for urban areas,” but the presidential hopeful now is open to the idea.

Giuliani made his critical comments about the flat tax during an appearance on CNN’s Capital Gang in 1996, the same year when its biggest cheerleader, Steve Forbes, was seeking the GOP presidential nomination. Forbes, the editor-in-chief of the magazine that bears his name, endorsed the former mayor this week and will serve as a senior policy advisor and national co-chair of the campaign.

When asked about the flat tax this week, Giuliani said that if the nation was back at the point where the income tax was being structured then it “would make a … lot of sense.

Given the radical policy shifts of the Republicans’ top three (McCain, Giuliani, and Romney), this is hardly surprising. At this point, whole websites could (and probably should) be devoted exclusively to chronicling just how shameless these guys have been with their 180-degree reversals.

[tag]McCain[/tag] has flipped on everything from Roe to taxes to gay marriage to Iraq. [tag]Romney[/tag] is practically a different person than he was in 2003, when he was pro-choice, pro-gay, and pro-stem cell research. Giuliani has reversed course on late-term abortions, gun policy, and a flat-tax.

How bad is it? Their defenders have been reduced to arguing their candidate’s flip-flopping is mild compared to the other Republicans’ flip-flopping.

Jonathan Chait has the story.

National Review‘s Ramesh Ponnuru, who seems to be supporting John McCain, points out that Rudy Giuliani has flop-flopped on the merits of a flat tax.

At The American Spectator, Giuliani supporter Philip Klein replies. He concedes that Rudy Giuliani is a flip-flopper. “Clearly, most normal human beings who read those statements would rightly come to the conclusion that Giuliani changed his position on the flat tax,” he writes.

But, Klein insists, at least Giuliani isn’t as brazen as Romney:

“My criticisms of Romney have been based on the nature of his metamorphosis. It is not a single flip flop alone, but the number of flip flops, the dramatic lengths he goes to alter his position, the timing of his conversions, and the arrogance with which he has wielded his new found positions as a stick to beat up on his opponents.

“I wouldn’t hold Giuliani up on a pedestal to be beyond any form of political posturing, but at the same time, at least he hasn’t completely remade himself on every issue, and is still willing to stand up and say he disagrees with the conservative point of view sometimes.” [emphasis mine]

High praise! Ramesh Ponnuru hits back. “Romney has flip-flopped on more issues,” he writes, “But I think Klein underestimates how brazen Giuliani’s flip-flop on partial-birth abortion was.”

And it’s only going to get worse.

As my friend Ron Chusid recently noted, “Republicans convinced voters that flip flopping is the ultimate evil.” Exactly. For years, the GOP has made changing one’s mind on a policy issue Political Sin #1. Now that all of their top-tier candidates are shamelessly trying to reinvent themselves, the party is left struggling to deal with the consequences. This is the result.

It couldn’t have happened to a more appropriate bunch.

What a great post. You’re right … someone should make a site devoted entirely to a listing of GOP flip-flops in the 21st century (there was a time, long ago, when their principles precluded flip-flops). Till then, your post is provides a great quick review.

Whenever I contemplate political flip-flops I think of the English ballad we used to perform for the entertainment of SF bar patrons, “The Vicar of Bray”, from R. S. Crane, A Collection of English Poems 1660-1800. New York: Harper & Row, 1932. The good bishop altered his tehology whith every change in the political wind. Of course, if you didn’t make the correct flip-flop in those days it could mean more than loss of some votes, usually torture or a visit to the headsman. You can hear the midi version of the music here.

The Vicar of Bray

In good King Charles’s golden days,
When loyalty no harm meant;
A furious High-Church man I was,
And so I gain’d preferment.
Unto my flock I daily preach’d,
Kings are by God appointed,
And damn’d are those who dare resist,
Or touch the Lord’s anointed.

And this is law, I will maintain
Unto my dying day, sir,
That whatsoever king shall reign,
I will be Vicar of Bray, sir!

2. When Royal James possess’d the crown,
And popery grew in fashion;
The penal law I shouted down,
And read the declaration:
The Church of Rome, I found would fit,
Full well my constitution,
And I had been a Jesuit,
But for the Revolution.
And this is law…

3. When William our deliverer came,
To heal the nation’s grievance,
I turned the cat in pan again,
And swore to him allegiance:
Old principles I did revoke,
Set conscience at a distance,
Passive obedience is a joke,
A jest is non-resistance.
And this is law…

4. When glorious Anne became our queen
The Church of England’s glory,
Another face of things was seen,
And I became a Tory:
Occasional conformists base,
I damn’d, and moderation,
And thought the Church in danger was,
From such prevarication.
And this is law…

5. When George in pudding time came o’er,
And moderate men looked big, sir,
My principles I chang’d once more,
And so became a Whig, sir:
And thus preferment I procur’d,
From our faith’s great defender,
And almost every day abjur’d
The Pope, and the Pretender.
And this is law…

6. The illustrious House of Hanover,
And Protestant succession,
To these I lustily will swear,
Whilst they can keep possession:
For in my faith, and loyalty,
I never once will falter,
George, my lawful king shall be,
Except the times should alter.
And this is law…

  • I doubt if the types of voters that thought flip-flopping was so important will mind when Republicans obviously start flopping like beached carp.

    They’ll say it’s important to move forward, rather than stay locked into old thinking. Or some such drivel.

    IOKIYAR

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