A few more events like this one and we’ll all feel better

It’s possible that Minnesotans are just nicer and more gracious than folks in other parts of the country, but the MinnPost had an interesting report on the Obama rally at the Xcel Energy Center on Tuesday, and the kind of treatment Hillary Clinton’s supporters found when they got there.

Specifically, the head of Clinton’s Minnesota campaign attended the Obama event, as did a few Clinton-supporting superdelegates, Minnesota’s Secretary of State, Minneapolis City Council President, and the mayor of St. Paul, all of whom also backed Clinton. Some were reluctant to go, but showed up in the interests of “political healing.”

And they were pleasantly surprised. In fact, both Barack Obama and Michelle Obama met privately with 25 prominent Clinton supporters after the speech.

“He shook my hand and said, ‘Thank you for being here; I’m sure it’s not easy,’ ” said Stevenson of her meeting with Obama. “I thanked him and said that everyone involved in his campaign had been so gracious. I didn’t know what to say, so I mentioned that my daughter works for a federal health clinic. And he knew right away which program I was talking about. He said, ‘Oh that’s wonderful.’ ”

[DFL activist Jackie Stevenson], a feminist and Clinton supporter, had to admit this: “He’s very impressive.”

The report added that Stevenson “had arrived at the building with Humphrey, and as they were taken to their seats, people kept stopping to hug them and thank them for being there…. All of the other Clinton supporters received similar treatment.”

Mayor Coleman said, “I think especially for women of my mother’s generation, it’s going to be very hard. They had waited so long for this (a woman in the White House). But I’ve spoken with a number of women like that in the last day. I think they’ll come around. You don’t spend your life fighting for women’s rights and then vote for Sen. McCain.”

It’s obviously encouraging to hear about Dems getting along with other Dems, despite supporting different (albeit, like minded) candidates. And maybe my expectations are off, but it seems a little more graciousness like this, from both candidates’ supporters, can go a long way.

On a related note, digby added a compelling coda to the end of the longest, closest presidential primary fight in U.S. history.

As to what happens next, you all know that I believe this is the Democrats’ year and I think that as soon as everyone licks their wounds and takes a little rest and, more importantly, sees what the Republicans are going to unleash on Obama and the Democratic party, we will all make our way back together. As I wrote the other night, I think both of the leaders need to do their part to make that happen, and I expect they will, for both personal and political reasons. […]

We will see what the Republicans have in store for us. And maybe we can start behaving like ourselves again. Family fights are always painful, but they are usually easily healed as well. Here’s to the end of the Long March of 2008.

Well said.

I knew Obama would handle this well, he’s a smart guy. Give the Clinton folks their due, and let them know that we’re all on the same team now, up against the creeps who have fought womens’ rights since forever.

  • It’s been the supporters of both candidates all along that have been egging each other on to become even more vile, racist, and sexist. I’m glad that these Obama supporters welcomed the Clinton supporters, and that the Clinton supporters accepted the welcome.

    In my opinion, Obama himself is doing what he has always done during this campaign, and that is a good thing.

  • I know Obama will do the smart thing but I’m not so sure about the rest of his supporters (myself included). I notice a lot of bile and anger coming from us on this site and elsewhere. I know why that’s the case – it’s frustrating to see all the crap Clinton pulled and her supporters try to justify it – but it’s time to swallow our pride a little and think to the future.

  • Typo in the first sentence: “as did few” -> “as did a few”. The sense is pretty much reversed…

  • “It’s possible that Minnesotans are just nicer and more gracious than folks in other parts of the country”

    Not only possible but a stone cold fact! We are above average in everything.

  • [DFL activist Jackie Stevenson], a feminist and Clinton supporter, had to admit this: “He’s very impressive.”

    Yep. This horse can fly…
    Grab his reins… and hang on.

  • And maybe my expectations are off, but it seems a little more graciousness like this, from both candidates’ supporters, can go a long way.

    You’re not implying, are you Steve, that there has actually been any graciousness like this from the Clinton side, either the campaign or her supporters?

  • I’ve never been a clinton suporter. Had she won the nomination I would have voted for her without the slightest hesitation.

    John McCain’s ghastly appearanace Tuesday night should be all anyone needs to realize what is at stake in this election.

    Barack Obama has been gracious throughout this campaign even when things have gotten rough. He has been gracious in victory. I critisized Hillary Clinton’s speech Tuesday night. The letter she sent to supporters today struck just the right note. Its time to move on.

    On NPR yesterday I heard a woman interviewed ad John McCain’s speech in Louisianna. She was a Clinton supporter, and “a life long liberal Democrat”, but Barack Obama has “turned me into a conservative Republican who will proudly vote for John McCain.” Does anyone truly believe this amazing transformation? I don’t. there is absolute no sence to what this woman said. I have a feeling many of the people posting on message boards (alot of the people on Salon, Taylor Marsh, Hillaryis44, etc), are clearly fakes for plants working to cause division. The woman on NPR was the same. The Republicans are terrified. Stirring up trouble is all they have left. Their gangorous candidate and Party can’t win on their own.

  • Note the exchange going both ways. I think this might add some salve to those wondering how Obama could ever join forces in a joint ticket. Nice commentary.

  • Not to single you out, CB, but is there some particular reason why one would use ‘graciousness’ instead of ‘grace?’ It’s like the recent spate of ‘resiliencey’ and such like. The need to make a noun out of an adjective which itself is a modified noun escapes me uttery.

    </nerd-a-thon>

  • SaintZak – I agree with you. There’s no way that the woman interviewed by NPR was EVER a “lifelong liberal democrat.” No liberal would ever vote for McCain or any other candidate for anything (even dog catcher) who espouses the policies and views he holds. I believe there’s been a fair number of moles coming out of Limbaugh’s “Operation Chaos” posing as Clinton supporters…the rabid ones. We all know that the Republicans would much of preferred running against the Clintons due to their years of “baggage,” and the accumulated hatred on the Right.

  • I actually know Jackie and know how big of a Clinton supporter she is. This says a lot for me and gives me hope that we will all come together and focus on repairing the damage of the past 8 years.

    ps Minnesotans are the nicest people you’ll ever meet : )

  • grasshopper, one who is going to be pedantic had also best be a good proofreader and spell “utterly” correctly. 🙂

    glass houses and such.

  • I also heard the NPR interview. Neither did I believe that she was a life-long liberal democrat. My thought was that she was a Hillary fan simply because of the gender issue. She has returned to whence she came.

  • I think it’s possible that a few people who might consider themselves “life long liberal democrats” could be dumb enough to think McCain isn’t a moderate they could vote for. The media has done a lot to make him into a saint. Either that, or she was one of those folks who think Obama’s campaign has been sexist and is still working from there (and if they have a brain they’ll vote for Obama in November even though they feel slighted now)

    That said, I think NPR either found a very rare bird or a Limbaugh troll, and I would bet she was the latter.

  • While he sounds impressive, in the end, his nomination will only secure the election for McCain.

  • Tamalak said: “I know Obama will do the smart thing but I’m not so sure about the rest of his supporters (myself included). I notice a lot of bile and anger coming from us on this site and elsewhere. I know why that’s the case – it’s frustrating to see all the crap Clinton pulled and her supporters try to justify it – but it’s time to swallow our pride a little and think to the future.”

    Well, I think I’ve only tried to justify Clinton’s continuing to run for the nomination until the end of the Primary season. Does that qualify as “pulling crap”?

    Or would that be her comparing herself to LBJ and saying he was needed to make MLK’s dream a legal reality?

    I wasn’t happy with her bringing up the assasination of Robert Kennedy. I wasn’t happy with her saying that McCan’t is more ready to be Commander in Chief than Obama (though being CinC is rather less than everything that the President is and Obama certainly has the better temperment to be President than McCan’t (and probably Clinton)). I wasn’t happy with Bill saying Obama’s win in South Carolina wasn’t important because it went for Jesse Jackson twice.

    In return for supporting Clinton we’ve gotten damnation of her and Bill as if they were as bad as Boy George II (that’s straight from the Candidate by the way) when they were in office. I’ve seen commentors here decry the idea of a Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton succession as if America were in some way at fault for the fact that Boy George II got into office and as if an American family can’t engage in politics while at the same time that supporter’s candidate accepts the endorsement of a KENNEDY for God’s sake.

    Now Clinton is setting the timing and manner of her departure from the campaign and there’s more bile and anger. It’s not your decision how she does it. Try to sit still and accept that.

  • While he sounds impressive, in the end, his nomination will only secure the election for McCain.
    –Bob

    This will only be true if two things happen:

    1. Obama folks try to rub the win in the face of the Clinton folks — including online. I haven’t seen a lot of that happening; in fact, just the opposite, with Obama folks being incredibly gracious. But we’ll see how it plays out.

    2. Clinton supporters decide health care, the economy, Iraq, infrastructure, the environment, etc., should take a back seat to their pride. Most policies espoused by both Clinton and Obama are closer than two coats of paint, so the only way Clinton supporters can vote for McCain is if they cared more about the person running than what she stood for this whole time.

    I’m much more worried about the second part. I don’t doubt some of the more completely insane Clinton “supporters” are, in fact, Republicans trying to sow dissent, but there are many out there who are just … well, I don’t know what they are.

    But for them to even consider voting for McCain proves to me what they aren’t: liberal.

  • Clinton did a number of things that I wasn’t too happy about during the campaign, but the only thing that was really unforgiveable in my opinion was her endorsement of John McCain.

    And that is really more of a reflection on how I feel about McCain than it is about Clinton. Ditto for some of her “supporters”.

    I have a feeling that the comments Clinton made back in March will really start to haunt her more and more as people get to see more of Honest John.

  • Great story!

    I’d also like to see a lot of Obama superdelegates follow Robert Wexler’s lead. The majority of his constituency voted for Clinton. He had a town-hall meeting the other night during which he lauded Clinton’s accomplishments and strengths, explained his reasons for supporting Obama, answered questions and said he hoped all Democrats would come together for the fall election. Nice work.

  • Sarabeth (#9) said: You’re not implying, are you Steve, that there has actually been any graciousness like this from the Clinton side, either the campaign or her supporters?

    I agree with you completely, Sarabeth, and my outburst yesterday that the Carpetbagger so correctly deleted, was the result of a very long time of feeling frustrated by the Clintons over exactly this that you point out.

    That said, we’re the ones who want to win, and the one thing I learned a long time ago is that if it gets you where you want to get to, and it doesn’t harm your moral claim to victory, then you better swallow what you gotta swallow and do what you have to do.

    And in this case, doing what the Minnesota folks did proves we’re better than the Clinton Party (but we knew that :-))

  • Actually, this is more typical of Obamacans

    ….At some point everyone crowded up to the rope even though Hillary had yet to be sighted. I did notice, however, that a couple of the girls who had cheered for Obama had managed to push their way right up to the front. I was standing about 4 or 5 people back. Finally both Hillary and Chelsea show up. I…
    After the initial cheers subsided a bit, the two of them started shaking hands and posing for photos. That’s when the Obamabots who were standing directly in front of Hillary started chanting “Obama! Obama!” Hillary looked momentarily taken aback, but then kept going. The rest of us started chanting “Hillary! Hillary!” to try to down them out but I think most of us were taken aback as well. It’s also kind of difficult to sustain shouting at the top of your lungs when there’s a person standing three feet in front of you — especially when that person is Hillary Clinton and you’re shouting her name. So that died down, which is about when the group of them shouted “Concede, you liar! Concede!”….

    It’s interesting how many obnoxious little bullies your candidate attracts. Obama and his partisans arel miserable failures when it comes to reflecting Democratic values.

  • I just hope that some of the more strident Obama supporters on this board know that some of us are voting for your guy in November in spite of your determined efforts to drive us away. You’re stuck with us now, like it or not. 😉

  • OkieFromMuskogee #3,

    ever the optimist, eh?

    and comment #15 gets my nomination for best handle ever (given the context)!

  • Mike @24,

    You are either a concern troll or oblivious. I’m 100% positive that anecdotes can be found with Clinton supporters behaving in similarly abominable fashion.

    Tell me again why you prefer McCain over Obama? Oh yeah, if your reasons are not policy related, don’t bother.

  • BTW for those of you who have not seen it (for obvious reasons), here is the email HRC sent to her supporters today.

    I wanted you to be one of the first to know: on Saturday, I will hold an event in Washington D.C. to thank everyone who has supported my campaign. Over the course of the last 16 months, I have been privileged and touched to witness the incredible dedication and sacrifice of so many people working for our campaign. Every minute you put into helping us win, every dollar you gave to keep up the fight meant more to me than I can ever possibly tell you.

    On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans.

    I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party’s nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise.

    When I decided to run for president, I knew exactly why I was getting into this race: to work hard every day for the millions of Americans who need a voice in the White House.

    I made you — and everyone who supported me — a promise: to stand up for our shared values and to never back down. I’m going to keep that promise today, tomorrow, and for the rest of my life.

    I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.

    I know as I continue my lifelong work for a stronger America and a better world, I will turn to you for the support, the strength, and the commitment that you have shown me in the past 16 months. And I will always keep faith with the issues and causes that are important to you.

    In the past few days, you have shown that support once again with hundreds of thousands of messages to the campaign, and again, I am touched by your thoughtfulness and kindness.

    I can never possibly express my gratitude, so let me say simply, thank you.

    Sincerely,

    Hillary Rodham Clinton

  • For all the venting that I and others have done online vis-a-vis HRC, the best strategy when it comes to ‘high bandwidth’ communication (face-to-face or phone) with the losing faction is to “kill ’em with kindness.”

    And that’s exactly what I did with me dear ol’ HRC-supporting mum yesterday.

    Expressed admiration (sincere!) for HRC’s good & valuable qualities, how long and tough the primary’s been for everyone, talked about the issues, and then let the natural allies of time and information do the rest.

    I’m confident my folks’ll punch the card for Obama in the fall. In Ohio, no less.

  • BTW for those of you who have not seen it (for obvious reasons), here is the email HRC sent to her supporters today.

    LOL at the “obvious reasons” bit. Quite a few of us are on her mailing list, and the rest of us saw it hours ago on any of the scores of blogs on which it’s been posted. But it’s always worth reading again.

  • Let me get this straight, she goes on Fox News, hubby goes on Limbaugh, they trash Obama, and praise McCain, and yet we are suppose to kiss their asses so they don’t vote for a republican. Am I on crazy pills, shouldn’t they be begging to get let back in ? I assume the vote extortion is going to raise it’s nasty head again now that HRC wants to be VP.

    You guys can kiss ass, but I need time and for now I would simply like to state that the HRC ultimatums make me want to vomit. This is suppose to be a party above childish non-sense, but thanks to her supporter’s delicate egos, we have been forced to their level, forced to make happy face because if we don’t, their petty, virtue-free, mentalities will vote for the enemy.

    Nothing but class all the way.

  • Directed at ScottW and in general:

    I’ve been very disappointed and put off by various aspects of the Clinton campaign during the run, but with her letter and supporting Obama on Saturday ALL is forgiven. It’s over. Politics is politics. You guys can stop ragging on her now.

    Look, if you believe in Obama and his unity message the least you can do is be good to your fellow democrats.

  • Let me get this straight, she goes on Fox News, hubby goes on Limbaugh, they trash Obama, and praise McCain, and yet we are suppose to kiss their asses so they don’t vote for a republican.

    Seems that way, doesn’t it?

    Just like pfgr’s comment that all Obama supporters have tried to “drive away” the Clinton folks, it doesn’t seem to make much sense, does it?

    After all, if that was the case, then why are so many Obama supporters trying to remind the Clinton supporters that voting for McCain is a horrific idea? Why have we pointed out repeatedly that the policies on the Dem side are nearly identical? And why have they been the ones saying they’d vote for the other side should their candidate lose in far, far greater numbers?

    Seems to me that if we really didn’t want them, we’d tell them to go ahead and vote for McCain and see if we care. But we’re not.

    This does not mean, however, that all Obama folks are as pure as fresh snow, nor that Obama and his supporters don’t need to reach and out and show some grace toward the Clinton camp. There are most certainly a few nuts out there, and the reconciliation has to come from all directions.

    But the notion that Obama and his supporters need to do all the work is what we’ve seen way too much of — Clinotn able to do no wrong, everything Obama did was dirty, etc. etc. etc.

    It gets quite old real, real fast.

  • I have no problem with blasting people who piss me off, certainly not on an anonymous message board (big puss that I am). And Hillary Clinton certainly gave me reasons to be pissed off as of late. Ditto her more blindly allegiant followers. For all their harsh, unncessary, divisive comments concerning Obama…as far as I’m concerned, some people can be coerced with kindness and some people need to be literally shamed into doing the right thing. Clinton is a case in point. Tuesday night, she was still talking about her campaign wasn’t over & she still needed time to figure out what Hillary wants. A solid day of people, in AND out of her campaign, finally developing the stones necessary to say “hey, stupid, it’s over. Stop campaigning, endorse Obama & be gracious about it, or else you’ll be branded a saboteur and persona non grata in the party” and whadya know? Not only does it look like she’s about to concede, it sounds like she’s doing it the right way. If that is, indeed, what happens, it’ll go a long way towards healing rifts she helped create with her scorched-earth campaign. If her dumber followers wipe the sleep fom their eyes & realize their folly, I’ll be gracious & can be. This has nothing to do with me, as an Obama supporter, being an ungracious winner. It has to do with certain Clinton supporters earning nothing but scorn & derision, and needing to do a little mea culpa of their own, if only to say “well I guess Obama is a better candidate than McCain after all.” Seems some of ’em, like ol Black-hole Mary, find it easier to take a few final cheap shots and run away. I can’t do Obama’s “brush off my shoulder” move in text form, so scorn & sarcasm will have to do until any remaining dunderheads wise up or move on. They’re reaping what they’ve sown.

  • Hi folks.

    Here are my two cents worth, and probably, most of you might think that I greatly overvalue my thoughts.

    This has been a long primary, and both camps have become more like cults of personality then anything else. I have not seen anything lately on these blogs that espouses ideas as the basis of support for their candidate. However, the primary is over. This election is no longer about personalities, its about ideas and the direction you want our county to take. If you support McCain’s ideas, then by all means vote for him. You have that right, and hundreds of thousand of heroic and idealistic Americans from all walks of life and political leanings have given their lives to guarantee you that right. But whatever you do, please, don’t denigrate their noble sacrifice and cast your vote purely out of spite.

  • I am a Minnesotan, and I am proud to say that I can never support a racist.
    Barry and Michelle went to that church and joined in the antiwhite anti America
    hate foot stomping jubilees that went on there. That is a fact, they supported the church, the blacke liberation seperatism theology and the Nation of Islam the white man is the devil.
    What the arrogant Obama supporters do not realize is that there are millions of us
    who did not, could not, and will not go against our basic values. The President of the United States should put the honor of the Country Above his own honor. Barry did not. He only distanced himself as completely as he could from the Rev when the Rev went on National TV and said that Obama was just saying and doing what politicans do.
    The las candidate that promised change and proclaimed himself as the great uniter was GWB. I fear Obama more than GWB.

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