A high-profile, high-stakes game of chicken

There’s still some time for the players to strike a deal, but it’s far more likely that Senate Dems and the Bush White House are headed for a fairly serious constitutional clash.

President Bush and Congress clashed Tuesday over an inquiry into the firing of federal prosecutors and appeared headed toward a constitutional showdown over demands from Capitol Hill for internal White House documents and testimony from top advisers to the president.

Under growing political pressure, the White House offered to allow members of Congressional committees to hold private interviews with Karl Rove, the president’s senior adviser and deputy chief of staff; Harriet E. Miers, the former White House counsel; and two other officials. It also offered to provide access to e-mail messages and other communications about the dismissals, but not those between White House officials.

Democrats promptly rejected the offer, which specified that the officials would not testify under oath, that there would be no transcript and that Congress would not subsequently subpoena them.

“I don’t accept his offer,” said Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee. “It is not constructive, and it is not helpful to be telling the Senate how to do our investigation or to prejudge its outcome.”

Of course it’s not. During the brief White House statement and Q&A yesterday afternoon, the president described his offer as “reasonable” five times in 10 minutes. I got the sense he was trying to convince himself as much as he was lobbying those watching.

Consider his “reasonable” proposal: Rove, Miers, and others would be subject to “interviews,” in private, with no recordings or transcripts. The witnesses would not be under oath. Moreover, internal White House communications about the purge would be off-limits. (Schumer summarized the problem with the document provision: “So, if Karl Rove sent a communication to Harriet Miers and said, and this is purely hypothetical, ‘We have to get rid of US Attorney Lam. Come up with a good reason…’ and the only communication we get is the good reason that Harriet Miers sent to the Justice Department.”)

The no-transcript provision is equally problematic. As Michael Froomkin explained, the White House is saying, “[W]e want to be able to lie to Congress in a way that creates neither liability nor evidence — so we can lie about our lying after the fact and no one can prove us wrong.”

Indeed, the closer one looks at Bush’s arguments from his brief speech, the less sense it makes.

The president, for example, said his offer of private interviews was “unprecedented.” That’s not true; senior White House aides have testified under oath in public hearings before.

Similarly, Bush said presidents might get bad advice if White House aides have to worry about being subpoenaed. First, Bush already gets bad advice. Second, if senior White House aides have already testified under oath in public hearings in the past, what’s the problem?

The entire 12-minute event seemed pointless. The president accused congressional Dems of “partisanship” five times. Ultimately, Bush apparently called a press conference to play politics and accuse Dems of playing politics.

My favorite part, however, was when Bush expressed sympathy for the purged prosecutors.

“I also want to say something to the U.S. attorneys who reside. I appreciate your service to the country. And while I strongly support the Attorney General’s decision and am confident he acted appropriately, I regret these resignations turned into such a public spectacle….

“I’m sorry this, frankly, has bubbled to the surface the way it has, for the U.S. attorneys involved. I really am. These are — I put them in there in the first place; they’re decent people. They serve at our pleasure. And yet, now they’re being held up into the scrutiny of all this, and it’s just — what I said in my comments, I meant about them. I appreciated their service, and I’m sorry that the situation has gotten to where it’s got. But that’s Washington, D.C. for you. You know, there’s a lot of politics in this town.”

It’s striking when you think about it. The Bush administration decided these prosecutors weren’t loyal enough, and were taking on politically-inconvenient cases, so it fired them without cause or explanation. Then the same administration dragged their names through the mud, accusing of them (falsely) of poor on-the-job performance.

And now Bush blames “Washington, D.C.” for all the bad things that have happened to them. It’s almost as if Bush was telling the prosecutors he fired, “Don’t blame me; I just work here.”

Not surprisingly, no one’s buying into the nonsense. Dems may vote on subpoenas as early as tomorrow.

Post Script: Just as an aside, I heard from a good line through the grapevine that Dems may want to use: “What is it about ‘So Help Me God’ that Rove and Bush find so offensive?”

“Not surprisingly, no one’s buying into the nonsense.”

Really? I don’t have the stomach to trawl through the winger blogs, but I would bet they are impressed with Dear Leader’s performance. As long as the Commander is sticking it to the libs, he’s got their back.

  • As other have noticed, look at that line “They serve at OUR pleasure (emphasis mine).” Since when did Bush become King, and start using the royal third person plural?

    As Queen Victoria would say “We are NOT amused.”

  • It can be truly amazing what one will say when one has said so much before that has proven untrue or at least misleading. At this moment, the entire WH staff seem to have their pants on fire, and I think the nation is beginning to take notice. I think the next part of this saga has something to do with noses and telephone wires. -Kevo

  • “What is it about ‘So Help Me God’ that Rove and Bush find so offensive?”

    That’s a good one. This is the perfect issue, in every way, for the Dems to go to the matresses on re forcing top aides to be accountable through investigations and subpoenas.

    First, it’s a Republican dissing Republican thing. Second, it’s transparent what happened here – no lawyer is fooled for one second what this is about. Third, certainly obstruction of justice charges are “on the table” on this. And fourth, and most important, the legal sensibilities of the Supreme Court justices will be offended no matter how carefully the Republican attorneys present it, or Scalia tries to parse it Constitutionally.

    This is much better than trying to get a legislative oversight vs. executive privilege case before the Supreme Court on anything else I can think of. And there are certainly plenty of possibility with these increasingly-out-of-the-closet tin horns in this maladministration.

  • Has anyone heard about the retrieval of emails from the RNC server White House empoyees were using? Have these emails been sent to Congress as well?

  • Bush is going to fight this tooth and nail, just as he is going to fight any attempt at forcing any kind of transparency or accountability on his administration. We are going to have to rely on judgments from the courts to win this and the hope that he hasn’t completely filled them with his cronies to stop us. But we won’t get that testimony without a very long, drawn out fight. And again, ultimately, the only response available to Bush’s defiance of Congress and the laws of the land is going to be impeachment.

    ITMFA! Dan Savage has had people saying it for years, and not without good reason.

  • If any committee Democrats are reading, if you absolutely must dance around and avoid the idea of impeachment, I also happen to think that bad faith is also an excellent idea. As someone else mentioned here the other day, secretly record the interviews and post them on YouTube anyway. The people deserve their sworn testimony and ought to get it by hook or by crook.

  • From Bush yesterday: “[Some Democrats] appear more interested in scoring political points than in learning the facts.”

    Fine, so let’s have some nice hearings, and that way we can learn the facts via answers that, if given under oath, stand a better chance of being truthful rather than partisan. I’m all for that.

  • “The president, for example, said his offer of private interviews was “unprecedented.””

    Well, he might have meant that his offer was unprecedented in its lameness and dishonesty.

  • i think the line we should all be using is, “what are you so afraid of george?”

    hang in there dems. don’t cave this time. it’s really important.

  • check out Glen Greenwald at Salon on this issue. Nixon vs. U.S. provides a precedent for how this will likely go down.

  • If there was nothing improper going on, and nothing illegal happened, one would think testifying under oath wouldn’t be an issue.

    Which probably explains why they don’t want anyone to do so.

    Also, maybe someone should remind Georgie that Clinton officials testified to Congress, under oath, on nearly 50 occasions. So yeah … there is a precedent.

  • If someone wanted to write a speech that was a self-parody for Bush (or the standard right-wing mentality), they couldn’t do much worse that that one. It had it all:

    –Faux outrage at the partisanship in Washington (last I checked, Karl Rove is still on the WH payroll right?)
    –Passing the buck onto others for creating the scandal.
    –Comically trying to take the high ground after approving the slime (see: McCain, 2000; Cleeland, 2002; Kerry, 2004)
    –A total disregard and misrepresentation for history and precedent (I hope some reporter will ask him if he was on record in the 90s as Governor of standing up for Clinton when those meanies in Congress subpoened his staff. My guess is he wasn’t as outraged at the time).
    –Pretending he has political capital to spend when last I checked his approval ratings were barely above 30 percent.

    Needless to say, let’s put this one in the time capsule.

  • AND Bush expects the committees to be satisfied with only “conversations” and documents related to the resignations, not to the replacements. That walls off Rove/Miers’s machinations for Tim Griffin (which, apparently, Griffin himself had and has something to say about — recall McNulty’s fretting about that question coming up with Cummins). Sorry, GeeDub, we gotta have it all.

  • NYT: ” Mr. Bush said he would resist any effort to put his top aides under “the klieg lights” in “show trials” on Capitol Hill ” — echoes of Saddam.

  • I choose confrontation. Bring it on!

    Sometimes you don’t get to choose where you want the battle to occur. Neither the Union nor Lee’s forces expected a great battle at Gettysburg. Few if any saw a German offensive coming in the Ardennes. We thought it would be the wiretapping or the Iraq lies, but this one is it. The whirlwind shall be reaped.

    Josh Marshall at TPM has a brigade of 1300 searching for the clues. Benen has it under control here. Hullabaloo is already on the barricades. Leahy and Schumer are firing up the troops. This is it.

    As for Hilary Clinton, Reid, Pelosi, or wavering supporters, I think of the “Valkyries” scene in Apocalypse Now as the 1st Cav hits the beach. It’s a quick shot, but a young private remains in the chopper yelling “I’m not going, I’m not going.” A burly NCO squad leader turns back, grabs him, and drags him into the fight.

    Enough of the military metaphors, we’re don’t require ammo yet. But the next few weeks are going to be scary exhilirating. And we’re going to take some hits. Hell, we might even be bombing targets in Iran. I wouldn’t put it past them. No matter what, put the glint in your eye, get hungry for prey, and don’t waver in the slightest. Write the letters, pressure the media, refuse to take anything off your Republican friends. America the Beautiful is out there somewhere.

  • Josh Marshall & gang are doing great. There is apparently an 18 day gap in emails. Eighteen! They didn’t even notice the number.

    I made myself watch Bush last night, and I’m sorry, he is so petulant that I thought he might as well of said, “Harriet and Karl are going to be telling lies, they’ve got a lot to hide.” His proposal in that tone was that ridiculous.

  • What are they hiding from the American people?

    “Similarly, Bush said presidents might get bad advice if White House aides have to worry about being subpoenaed.”

    If your advisors are worried about their advice going public, then what the hell kind of “advice” are you getting?

    “Karl, New Orleans is completely flooded”

    “Eh, that shithole’s just full of poor minorities that vote Democrat anyway. Let the fuckers drown, Mr. President.”

  • When the President said this:

    “I’m sorry this, frankly, has bubbled to the surface the way it has, for the U.S. attorneys involved. I really am. These are — I put them in there in the first place; they’re decent people. They serve at our pleasure. And yet, now they’re being held up into the scrutiny of all this, and it’s just — what I said in my comments, I meant about them. I appreciated their service, and I’m sorry that the situation has gotten to where it’s got. But that’s Washington, D.C. for you. You know, there’s a lot of politics in this town.”

    I was reminded of this joint appearance with John McCain on CNN in 2000 after Bush had smeared the Senator in the South Carolina primaries. When McCain complained, Bush replied with genuine surprise in his voice, “But John, that’s politics.”

    Sometime in 1999, somebody (cough) Karl Rove (cough) told W that in “politics” it’s OK to do anything to anybody who stands in your way. I think the President is genuinely sorry when things work out this way, but his C- brain can’t understand why others would be mad at him for just playing the game the way Karl told him it’s supposed to be played.

  • Testifying under oath is a pathological liar’s worst nightmare. Anyone who slips between truth and falsehoods as easily as Rove would almost certainly wind up in jail testifying about the weather.

    Testifying isn’t much safer for dummies. Imagine Miers, thinking she’s making perfect sense while everyone else is shaking there heads as she spouts her delusions.

    If I was Bush, I’d fight subpoenas too.

  • I would like to hear Schumer of Leahy or someone with a lesser profile on the committee to respond to Bush and say:

    “It wasn’t Democrats who included political or partisan measures in the ratings and review of US attorneys. That was this republican administration. It wasn’t Democrats who have provided multiple and conflicting reasons for the dismissals of thes US attorneys. That was this Republican administration. It wasn’t Democrats who provided, at best misleading testimony and information and at worst lies about these firings. That was this republican administration. It wasn’t Democrats who fraudulently ranked and rated the US attorneys based upon political loyalty. That was this republican administration. This is backed by the emails, and by the testimony thus far presented to Congress, which all of America has heard. Politicizing these positions like this republican administration has tried to do is exactly what communist regimes like the USSR did, and it is what rogue regimes like those in Zimbabwe do. We believe in the rule of law, not communism. We need to find out exactly what went on here and who was involved–this trumps any argument of executive privilege that the administration can raise–the american people deserve the truth. And we intend to provide the truth to them.”

  • I also agree with Todd above–bring on the confrontation. The Dems skirt confrontation way too many times (like, with the failure to filibuster on Alito). Do what you gotta do. That is all these jackasses know. Until the Dems stand up to them, they will not get respect. Hell Delay was on the air yesterday advising Bush and GOP to fight hard–cause he knows odds are that the Dems will fold. Time to end this.

  • I just emailed my Senator Arlen Specter urging him to vote with the Democrats in favor of subpeoneas. If anyone else is represented by a Republican member of the Judiciary Committee I suggest that you contact them.

  • I agree with Todd and bubba.

    The Dems could have picked any one of over two dozen crimes and scandals to confront Bush on — but unlike most of the others, “Purgegate” has occurred entirely since they took over the House and Senate…so they can’t be accused of going after something “that’s already behind us” (like the run-up to the war). This is where they’ve decided to make their stand. And Bush’s response so far has been completely predictable –a “concession” that isn’t a concession (a la Bush and Cheney sitting together, not under oath, before the 9/11 Commission), and a lot of lame bluster.

  • An eighteen and 1/2 day gap would have been so symetrical to the 18 1/2 minute gap in 1972. Yes, lies bit Nixon in the rear, and it looks like Bush the Younger is about to be bit himself. -Kevo

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