A house divided against itself can apparently win several primaries

There have been several interesting stories of late offering behind-the-scenes looks at the turmoil inside Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. It’s the ultimate in inside-baseball — the typical voter surely couldn’t care less about staffers’ infighting — but for political observers who follow this stuff, we’ve learned plenty of late about Clinton aides who’ve practically come to blows in recent weeks.

But today, on the front page, the WaPo runs the biggest one of these stories yet, a 3,400-word monster that characterizes the Clinton campaign as a dysfunctional team divided up into mini fiefdoms — none of which want to work with the other. Marc Ambinder accurately calls the piece “the most comprehensive insider account I’ve seen of the internal sparring inside the Clinton campaign.”

For the bruised and bitter staff around Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Tuesday’s death-defying victories in the Democratic presidential primaries in Ohio and Texas proved sweet indeed. They savored their wins yesterday, plotted their next steps and indulged in a moment of optimism. “She won’t be stopped,” one aide crowed.

And then Clinton’s advisers turned to their other goal: denying Mark Penn credit.

With a flurry of phone calls and e-mail messages that began before polls closed, campaign officials made clear to friends, colleagues and reporters that they did not view the wins as validation for the candidate’s chief strategist. “A lot of people would still like to see him go,” a senior adviser said.

The depth of hostility toward Penn even in a time of triumph illustrates the combustible environment within the Clinton campaign, an operation where internal strife and warring camps have undercut a candidate once seemingly destined for the Democratic nomination.

Broadly speaking, there are two general angles to all of this that I find striking. The first is that it’s the polar opposite of what I expected from the Clinton team. The senator was believed to have assembled the most experienced, professional staff in recent memory. These guys were perceived as running a finely-tuned machine — the New England Patriots of presidential campaigns — but in reality, the divisions were running surprisingly deep.

The other angle is Clinton enjoys so much admiration among Democratic voters, and started the campaign with such an advantage, she seems to be able to persevere despite a staff filled with rivals who want to see the other fired.

The Post piece notes that while “many campaigns are beset by backbiting and power struggles, dozens of interviews indicate that the internal problems endured by the Clinton team have been especially corrosive.” That’s not an exaggeration.

“I think about all camps think it’s Mark’s fault,” said a Clinton White House veteran close to the campaign. “I don’t think there is a Mark camp.” Another person who has advised the senator from New York said: “Penn should have been let go. He failed the campaign in developing a message and evolving the message as things changed.”

But there is a Penn camp, however small, that believes in his message of strength, experience, and fear of recession and crisis — and its most important members are Bill and Hillary Clinton. Three times, campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle and senior adviser Harold Ickes tried to hire another national pollster so Penn would not be the one to test his own message, campaign sources said, and three times they were rejected. When the candidate forced out Solis Doyle last month after a string of defeats, the departing manager said Penn should also be fired, to no avail, sources said.

And while the team is divided over Penn, it’s also divided over the former president.

“You had your Hillary people, and you had your Bill people,” said the top campaign official. “There were some crossovers, but very few. The Hillary people could never tell him to cut the [crap] because they were Hillary people — and vice versa.”

Some of these guys apparently can barely speak to one another.

Phil Singer, the campaign’s deputy communications director, emerged from a meeting on Feb. 11 and without explanation started angrily cursing the war room. “[Expletive] all of you,” he shouted, according to a witness, then stormed out and did not return for several days.

Penn was growing increasingly aggravated by what he saw as an untenable management structure, which another aide described as an “oligarchy at the top.” Penn had no real people of his own on the inside and chafed whenever Solis Doyle or Ickes got involved in his sphere. At one point, he and Ickes, who have been battling each other within the Clinton orbit for a dozen years, lost their tempers during a conference call, according to two participants.

“[Expletive] you!” Ickes shouted.

“[Expletive] you!” Penn replied.

“[Expletive] you!” Ickes shouted again.

The whole thing is worth reading, just to appreciate the extent of the drama and back-biting, but after finishing it, I thought, “Wow, these guys are like dysfunctional children — who may end up winning anyway.”

Love Clinton or hate her, the personal animosity that seems to dominate her campaign staff is apparently utterly irrelevant. Her chief strategist apparently has no friends on the team to speak of, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference at all.

Clinton won big this week, despite her team’s divisions, and I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see her do so again in Pennsylvania. Her campaign is a mess, but voters neither know nor care.

I just hope as president, she puts together a team that knows how to work with one another.

I just hope as president, she puts together a team that knows how to work with one another.

She is not going to be president. Ever.

  • Seems I remember Bill Clinton’s administration being a feuding, fractious bunch. (Rubin/Reich, Perry/Clark) If she ends up becoming president, you can bet on more of the same.

  • “The senator was believed to have assembled the most experienced, professional staff in recent memory. These guys were perceived as running a finely-tuned machine — the New England Patriots of presidential campaigns…”

    Nice analogy. The Pats were supposed to be unbeatable and just handed the Super Bowl without having to bother with the formalities of the playoffs.

    I voted for Hillary. I like Hillary. I think she’d be a good president. But every behind the scenes look at her campaign makes her “Experience” argument look worse and worse. It’s clear they hadn’t looked past Super Tuesday, otherwise they might have tried harder to figure out Texas’ primary rules.

  • She is not going to be president. Ever.

    I wouldn’t count her out. As much as I would prefer an Obama presidency, the Clintons are fighters for what they want, even if it means her eventual defeat in the general election or the damage it would do to her presidency should she win.

    Just like a certain admin that will remain nameless…she believes in the end justifying the means.

  • These guys were perceived as running a finely-tuned machine — the New England Patriots of presidential campaigns —

    If i remember correctly, the Patriots lost in the only game that mattered.

  • I have an explanation. The Clinton Team is only effective when flying by the seat of their pants. When things are smooth and going well, they hire Penn, sleep with Interns and don’t bother to have a post-Super Tuesday plan. Then, when their back is against the wall, there’s no one better in the trenches.

    Marrying the Clintons is kind of a tumultuous relationship. When you’re up, you can bet a big crash is on the horizon, but the make-up sex is terrific and we can never quite manage to quit them.

  • “Her chief strategist apparently has no friends on the team to speak of, but it doesn’t seem to make any difference at all.”

    Of course, we can’t know that… perhaps without this infighting, Sen. Clinton really would have been unstoppable.

  • These guys were perceived as running a finely-tuned machine — the New England Patriots of presidential campaigns —

    If i remember correctly, the Patriots lost in the only game that mattered. -oryginal

    And they were caught cheating in the first game of the year and have been accused of additional cheating that took place in the past.

  • Sounds like she surrounds herself with the quality of people she deserves. She seems about her personal ambition no matter what it does to the party, and they seem to care about their personal fortunes and rivalries more than they care about the success of the campaign. I see no reason to think she will pick an effective staff as President. This is sadly her A team.

  • I wouldn’t count her out. -Gridlock

    I don’t want to put worlds into ROTFLMLiberalAO’s mouth, but I happen to think a Clinton nomination leads to a McCain Presidency, so I completely agree “She is not going to be president. Ever.”

  • The thing is Obama doesn’t even have to do that well to win. He’ll pick up as many delegates this week as Clinton won on her big Tuesday. She’s leading in Penn but isn’t that proportional too?

    I think Clinton’s campaign and ultimate loss will put a bullet in the head of the embedded Dem advisors who only know how to lose.

  • As I remember it, Bush was often complimented for putting together a White House staff that was highly disciplined, harmonious and loyal. What did that get us? Personally I couldn’t work for a staff with a lot of in-fighting and rivalries, but it can bring out the best in some people as they compete with each other in trying to be the ones who are the smartest and most hard-working. I don’t know if that’s the case with her campaign but it’s just another way of looking at the dynamic.

  • I just hope as president, she puts together a team that knows how to work with one another.

    How is that going to happen? As others have already mentioned, Obama is still extremely well-positioned to win. Hillary would have to eviscerate Obama in every remaining primary, and nobody thinks that’s likely. And yet Team Hillary is acting as if they’ve got it in the bag because she won Ohio. Huh?

  • CB said he thought she had put together the Patriots of political teams, and is surprised it isn’t more fine-tuned. But I think you can only get the truly cataclysmic blow-ups if the people are in fact “Patriots” level: the egos are huge, teh intensity is huge, the Rolodexes and press contacts are huge and so if anything goes even a little wrong, the blow-up is huge.

    I have worked in places like that before that are still surprisingly successful due to the raw talent level (and, in some instances, I would even argue the “creative tension” and energy, even if it seemed negative energy, keeping the adrenaline constantly amped). But it certainly doesn’t always work, and when it doesn’t, it is scary to behold.

  • Why are we talking about the Patriots? I can’t stand it. The media just fawns over them. I think Media Research found that in 17 out of 18 weeks of the last football season, the media gave mostly favorable coverage to them, while giving only bad coverage to the Jets and Dolphins. Somebody, please call SNL!!!

  • Fiefdoms? What are these Clintonians trying to do—make McCain and the Reskunklicans look good?

    Oh…I’m sorry…I forgot—that’s what Clintonians DO do….

  • Nightmare scenario that might nonetheless come to pass:

    Obama will go to the convention with the lead in pledged delegates. Clinton will stamp her foot, whine and cry (New Hampshire!) until the party bosses (mostly white men) swing the supers her way.

    “Barack,” they’ll say, in effect. “Congratulations on your historic victory. You’ve earned a spot on the ticket. As veep. Take it or leave it.” All hell breaks loose on the convention floor.

    Result: Massive PR disaster. Obama refuses to step to the back of the bus, correctly realizing he’d be marginalized as veep by Bill Clinton. African-Americans stay home, hardcore Obama supporters withhold support, Obama-leaning Republican and independents turn to McCain.

    Hillary buried in a landslide. The Clinton brand name is damaged beyond repair, becoming more radioactive than McGovern or Carter (poor solace at best, but the only good thing to come out of the fiasco.)

    Dems consigned to political wilderness for a generation. The House of Bush is restored, and Republicans continue their slow, inexorable creep toward totalitarianism. The ultimate wet dream of Republicans everywhere.

    I’ll be able to say, “Hey, don’t blame me – I voted for Obama. What’s your excuse?”

  • Let’s be clear. the democrats are committing suicide.

    Name me another candidate who could have lost 12 in a row. Claimed victory prematurely twice (Super Tuesday and Ohio and Texas) and didn’t deliver either time (But managed to portray herself as coming back from the dead) and can’t mathematically win the race as well as having alienated the most loyal of constituents and STILL not be SHOVED out of the race by the Party?

    Now if the candidate was Barack Obama who had done all of the above who here believes that he still be in the race or that the media would be running scenarios on how he could win?

    Yeah. That’s what I thought.

    I guarantee you black people will NOT be coming “home” to the democratic party should HRC win the nomination. There are may of us who will actively campaign against her. The DNC can play around if they want to but but they are looking at the end of the dem party with HRC at the heat.

    And let me just point out, we don’t vote, they don’t win:

    Try winning Michigan without Detroit
    Missouri without St. Louis
    Pennsylvania without Philadelphia (and to lesser exten Pittsburgh)
    Chicago withoult Illinois

    You get the picture.

  • Quoting something my wife noted last night–in great frustration: The problem with the democrats is they think that winning the primary (not the presidency) is the goal. It’s a “duh” thing.

  • Whoops, sorry for the confusion folks. I wrote 23 and 24 and I’m a different “JJ” than the one who wrote 20 and 21.

  • Clinton is being the good little student again, trying to impress the superdelegates so they’ll hand the nomination to her cause she’s such a fighter.

    Edward’s delegates are looking more and more important.

  • It interesting to note the evolution that’s occured over the last month. A month ago, when Hillary had big leads in Ohio and Texas, everyone said that BIG victories in Ohio and Texas would be needed to keep her alive. As Obama numbers got better and better the closer the primaries came (as they always do) the song became HE had to win by “Huge” margins to keep his momentum (or HE “Lost”). Now that she has won Ohio by a fair margin (not huge or “crushing” by any means) and to my mind BARELY SQUEAKED BY in Texas, and had a victory in Rhode island that virtually cancelled out by Obama’s in Vermont, she being hailed as “coming back” and having “stopped Barack’s momentum”-. Contrary to the spin, this was not a huge victory for her, and should have no appreciable impact on Obama’s momentum. The remaining states are Obama leaning, so for her to “win” she would need to continue going mega-negative on Obama (to try to close the gap or win those states), argue to break the DNC’s own rule to seat the disallowed Fl and MI delegations , and ultimately depend on winning over a few “superdelegates” responsible only to themselves and their idea of “what’s best for the party”. In the process she will have taken an incredibly positive, hopeful, grassroots, youth energized movement and crushed it in the machinery of “Big Politics”, all for her own personal arrogance and gain. I’ve never really understood until now why the Republicans hated her so much, and I’ve always felt either her or Obama would make a good president. However, after witnessing what has happened in the last month, I now am begining to understand her detractors. I can only hope the democratic party won’t nominate someone who ridiculed her opponent for appealing to our hope for a better America.

  • Steve, could we stop with the “Hillary won big” nonsense? She won Ohio comfortably and essentially tied Obama in Texas. She won Rhode Island but lost Vermont. And the bottom line is she didn’t put a dent in Obama’s delegate lead. That is not “winning big”.

  • “Her campaign is a mess, but voters neither know nor care.”

    They don’t know but they SHOULD care. If there is any one thing that her “experience” should give her an definite advantage in, it would have been in running campaigns, and especially presidential campaigns. Not only that, but she started out with the natural advantages of name recognition and achievement by association. And because she has mismanaged her campaign so badly relative to Obama’s, that she now has slim chance of coming out ahead in pledged delegates. So what does this say about the strength of her “experience” when it comes to running the entire country?

  • People can’t seem to except that this race is over. Any gains from this past Tuesday will be erased by the time Obama wins Mississippi. He probably heads into Pennsylvania up by around 165- 170 delegares.

    Then even if Hilary wins Pennsylvanis by 10 or so, that only makes a modest dent perhaps yielding 10 or so delegates dropping him down to around 160.

    Obama then wins big in North Carolina and probably Indiana and gets his lead back up to around 175- 180. GAME OVER. At that point there is no where to go for Hillary. The only question is does it end April 22 in Pennsylvanis, or May 6th in North carolina.

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