A ‘long-shot gamble’ on 2027

A couple of weeks ago, Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) traveled to Baghdad and received a briefing from Gen. David Petraeus, in which he acknowledged his belief that in order to “win” in Iraq, U.S. forces would have to stay in the country for “nine or 10 years.”

This was hardly reassuring. Indeed, for every pundit who insists that the Bush policy is finally, after years of failure, on the right track, Petraeus’ assessment creates a helpful contrast. As Yglesias put it at the time, “To say that our current policy is working and needs just ten more years to stabilize Iraq is lunacy — just leaving stands a perfectly good chance of working just as quickly at radically lower cost.”

But that’s the 2017 plan. Have you heard about the 2027 strategy?

Slate’s Fred Kaplan, who wrote a good piece about the kinds of questions lawmakers should ask next week, chatted with Stephen Biddle, a military analyst at the Council on Foreign Relations, and who is also a key member of Petraeus’ advisory panel. Biddle described his take on the viability of the “bottom-up” strategy the administration has suddenly embraced.

[Biddle] said (again, expressing his personal view) that the strategy in Iraq would require the presence of roughly 100,000 American troops for 20 years — and that, even so, it would be a “long-shot gamble.”

Do Petraeus and Crocker agree with this assessment?

Good question. Biddle is a “key proponent” of the current strategy — and he believes that 100,000 American troops for two decades buys us nothing more than a “long-shot gamble.” Indeed, as Kevin Drum noted, “What the hell do the pessimists think?”

Yglesias added a good point.

Kaplan gets at some of this, but if your analysis is that we should accept a “long-shot gamble” that entails 100,000 American troop serving in Iraq until 2027 then you owe us some kind of explanation of what the payoff is supposed to be. The cost of doing what Biddle’s analysis suggests is necessary would be enormous. The benefits, meanwhile, don’t seem especially high even if you ignore the “long-shot” nature of the odds. Plug the odds in, and the whole proposition looks ridiculous.

I respect Biddle enormously, and think his argument against a middle path in Iraq is absolutely solid. His analysis of what staying would entail also seems solid. I just can’t understand why he doesn’t see that the obvious upshot of his analysis is that we should leave. To conclude anything else it seems to me you’d need to put a near-infinite value on the prospect of salvaging something to label “success” in Iraq.

It’s a point that really needs to be explored next week. Gambling, even “long-shot” gambling, is about a payoff. The gambler hopes to get a reward in exchange for his or her risk.

Biddle, a Petraeus advisor, believes the U.S. should bet hundreds of thousands of American troops and an entire generation. In return, we might get a stable Iraq.

Who, exactly, believes this is a “long-shot gamble” worth the investment?

“Who, exactly, believes this is a “long-shot gamble” worth the investment?”

i, for one, would rather see that money invested in, say, health care, infrastructure repair, quality education, well, you get the picture………..

ya gotta know when to hold ’em, and know when to fold ’em.

i say let’s just fold right now and call it a day.

  • But Bill, that would be Socialism. Surely you don’t want the government getting its fingers into all those things, do you?

    Better to throw a couple trillion dollars down the tubes in Iraq than to spend that money on something that might actually benefit the American people. That’s how our “compassionate conservative” philosophy works.

  • Only another twenty years? That would make the Iraq war longer then WWII and Vietnam combined. It takes a heckuva Commander in Chief to make such a mess of things that it needs twenty years and one-hundred thousand men to fix it. Show is your purple trigger fingers.

    Aside from the insanity of keeping a large segment of our combat troops tied up for twenty years, has anyone considered asking the Iraqis how they feel about being occupied for a generation? Or do we just put a pro-US dictator in place?

  • I see an upside to the gamble. Implement a draft, pay the recruits minimum wage and recruit from the extended families of GOP politicians.

  • Even if all the troops were ordered out of Iraq tomorrow, it would take over a year to make that happen logistically. And that isn’t going to happen.

    I think the truth is that America will have troops in Iraq virtually forever. As long as I live. As long as you live. As long as our kids live. As long as our kids’ kids live. As long as Deleware is a state. Until the last drop of oil is burned. Until the Rockies crumble and Gibralter tumbles, or the USA perishes from Earth. Our troops will occupy Iraq.

    Have a nice weekend, my virtual friends.

  • Q: Who, exactly, believes this is a “long-shot gamble” worth the investment?

    A: These guys:

    Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Monday warned the United States against a quick departure from Iraq, saying it would lead to instability in the region and undermine Washington’s ability to deal with emerging threats.

    “Those who are concerned for Israel’s security, for the security of the Gulf States and for the stability of the entire Middle east should recognize the need for American success in Iraq and responsible exit,” Olmert said in remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

    […]

    Cheney laid out a dire sequence of events – all dangerous to Israel – that could arise if critics of the war, particularly those in Congress, mandate troop withdrawals or limit funding.

    “A precipitous American withdrawal from Iraq would be a disaster for the United States and the entire Middle East,” he said.

    […]

    If Sunni extremists prevailed, Al-Qaida and its allies could recreate the safe haven they lost in Afghanistan, except now with the oil wealth producing weapons of mass destruction and underwriting their terrorist designs, including their pledge to destroy Israel

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/836374.html

    Got that? It’s not about us. Those who are concerned for Israel’s security should recognize the need for American success in Iraq. So you see, this is “a matter of national survival” to Cheney and AIPAC, and unfortunately Cheney runs the whitehouse and AIPAC runs congress. So not only are we going to take the ‘long shot gamble’ in Iraq, we’re going to double down in Iran.

  • As Yglesias has pointed out, elsewhere:

    If we withdrew now, immediately, by 2017 or 2027, the civil war may have run its course, and Iraq might be stable.

    Ten years or twenty years to get an outside chance of a “stable Iraq” is just complete nonsense. Such an outcome has just as high a probability with the U.S. not participating.

    If you can bet nothing, and still win the long-shot gamble, then, don’t bet!

  • The alcoholic husband realized his wife was not going to tolerate anything less than an assurance that his drinking would end. So he assured her he would quit in two weeks, and since then, every two weeks that passed, he argued for two more weeks.

    The Republicans realized the American people would tolerate nothing less than a plan or an outlook for withdrawal in the foreseeable future. So the Republicans promised them a withdrawal if things did not get better, and since then every few months that passed that things did not get better, argued they needed more time.

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