A matter of priorities

As a rule, “gotcha” political interviews make for good television, but that’s about all they do. Russert, Blitzer, & Co. will confront a policy maker with some old quote, pause for dramatic effect, and leave the interviewee temporarily flummoxed. Whether there’s a point to the exchange is oftentimes irrelevant.

That said, occasionally “gotcha” moments tell us quite a bit. Take, for example, this terrific interview on MSNBC yesterday between David Shuster and Republican Rep. Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee.

Shuster’s point, obviously, is one of hypocrisy. First, Blackburn is outraged with “General Betray Us,” because it came from a liberal group, but she’s blase about “Senator Betray Us,” because it came from Rush Limbaugh.

And second, Blackburn is consumed with the New York Times — including discussion of its stock price and staffing layoffs — but she knows nothing about Jeremy Bohannan, an 18-year-old soldier, who was the last American from her district killed in Iraq.

Asked why she knows all about Move On and the NYT, but nothing about Jeremy Bohannan, Blackburn said, “I do not know why I did not know the name,” but added, “You’re exactly right. I can say chapter and verse what was going on with MoveOn.org.” Responded Shuster, “[Y]ou were not appreciative enough to know the name of this young man. He was 18 years old and killed. Yet you can say chapter and verse about what’s going on with the New York Times and MoveOn.org.”

“Gotcha” interviewing? Sure. A worthwhile point about Republican lawmakers’ misplaced priorities? Absolutely.

If you can’t watch the video, the transcript is the next best thing:

SHUSTER: The Republican outcry is beginning to die down over that MoveOn ad, the one running in the “New York Times” that posed the question — General Petraeus or General Betray Us? But there’s a bigger question left unanswered, a question of hypocrisy when it comes to political attack. Where was the outrage when Rush Limbaugh said this about Republican Senator Chuck Hagel over one of the senator’s stances on Iraq? Limbaugh said, “by the way, we had a caller call, couldn’t stay on the air, got a new name for Senator Hagel of Nebraska. We got General Petraeus and Senator Betray-Us, new name for Senator Hagel.”

Here to discuss all this is Marsha Blackburn, a Republican Congresswoman from Tennessee. Congresswoman, thanks for coming in.

REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN (R), TENNESSEE: Good to be with you.

SHUSTER: Do you want to take this opportunity to condemn what Rush Limbaugh said about Chuck Hagel?

BLACKBURN: What I want to do is talk about the “New York Times.” Probably, Rush Limbaugh could have gotten by without saying that.

SHUSTER: Could of gotten by? It was wrong, wasn’t it?

BLACKBURN: He was referencing what a caller said.

SHUSTER: But it was wrong for a caller or for Rush Limbaugh to call Chuck Hagel Senator Betray Us, right?

BLACKBURN: But Rush Limbaugh did not go in and buy an ad and place it with the “New York Times” and get a special, preferred rate —

SHUSTER: So there’s a difference between buying an ad in the “New York Times” and Rush Limbaugh hearing something that he likes to hear from one of his viewers and repeating it on the air. What’s the distinction?

BLACKBURN: Rush Limbaugh should not have done that. But Rush Limbaugh did not go out and buy an ad and circumvent the “New York Times.” It takes two weeks for them to tell the truth on this and we find out that they did get a favored rate.

SHUSTER: They didn’t know they got a favored rate. As soon as they found out they got a favored rate, they wrote a check.

BLACKBURN: I don’t believe that. I think they did —

SHUSTER: I understand that this is an issue that — You’re very concerned, of course, about the MoveOn ad, is that right?

BLACKBURN: Everybody is concerned about the MoveOn ad. Everybody is concerned about what seems to be the violation of the public trust by the “New York Times.” Look, we all know that their circulation is down, that their stock is down, that they — I think it was last year fired 500 people. Everyone is aware of that. My goodness, to find out now that they are fire selling their ad space.

SHUSTER: Congressman, let’s talk about the public trust. You represent, of course, a district in western Tennessee. What was the name of the last soldier from your district who was killed in Iraq?

BLACKBURN: The name of the last soldier killed in Iraq, from my district, I do not know.

SHUSTER: His name was Jeremy Bohannan (ph). He was killed August 9, 2007. How come you did not know that the name?

BLACKBURN: I do not know why I did not know the name. We made contact with the families in our district. When you have a major military post, you are very sensitive to this and sensitive to working with those families, and that is something that my staff and I do daily. Our district director is a gentleman who has served in the U.S. Army and currently serves in the National Guard. And we do everything that we possibly can do to assist those families. We are very appreciative of the sacrifice.

SHUSTER: But you were not appreciative enough to know the name of this young man. He was 18 years old and killed. Yet you can say chapter and verse about what’s going on with the “New York Times” and MoveOn.org.

BLACKBURN: You’re exactly right. I can say chapter and verse what was going on with MoveOn.org.

SHUSTER: Don’t you understand the problems that a lot of people would have, that you’re so focused on an ad. When was the last time a “New York Times” ad ever killed somebody? Yet here we have a war that took the life of an 18-year-old kid, Jeremy Bohannan, from your district and you didn’t know his name?

BLACKBURN: Well — and — we work very closely, as I said, with those families. […]

SHUSTER: I agree, Congresswoman, do you stay in touch with these military families. But I again, I still think it’s a little surprising that you did not know the name of the last soldier killed in Iraq, who is only 18 years old, and yet you know so much about the MoveOn.org ad and the tactics you don’t like.

It’s interesting. Keith Olbermann has his own show, and it’s the high-rated program on MSNBC prime-time. If the network were to, say, give David Shuster his own show, alongside Olbermann, MSNBC would probably get quite a ratings bump.

Asked why she knows all about Move On and the NYT, but nothing about Jeremy Bohannan

That’s easy: no one in the TN office is sending her a set of dead-soldier talking points to memorize for talk shows.

  • Ah, the Republicans. Everything is a game to them. I think that they see democrats, liberals and progressives as enemies, pure and simple. Consider that for a moment: Republicans think that 70% of the American public are enemies…

  • Congressman Marsha Blackshirt “could have gotten by” without sounding foolish, but she’s too concerned with abridging the freedom of speech and of the press.

    Obviously, to Blackshirt, it is more important to know the details about political advertising than the human toll that the U.S. Military Occupation of Iraq has on her own constituents.

    I don’t think this is “gotcha” journalism whatsoever. I think it is important for Americans to know where the priorities of their elected representatives are. Thanks David Shuster.

  • That was a thing of beauty. She seemed outraged to be confronted by an actual journalist.

    Shuster is terrific, all the time. Get the man his own show.

  • Its a pretty simple thing, really. If every person on every news show or news channel asked these kinds of questions day in and day out every time they were on the job, this country would change. Officials, if actually made publicly and consistently accountable, would shift their priorities. That wasn’t so hard, was it?

  • “Rush Limbaugh did not go out and buy an ad…
    Rush Limbaugh did not go out and buy an ad…
    Rush Limbaugh did not go out and buy an ad…”

    No, lady, he was PAID to refer to Senator Hagel as “Senator Betrayus”.
    Republicans have no shame or conscience.

  • BLACKBURN: But Rush Limbaugh did not go in and buy an ad and place it with the “New York Times” and get a special, preferred rate –
    Limbaugh didn't have to, he has his own show to give "free" advertising and a network of like minded wingnuts to repeat it free of charge.

  • This woman is a disgrace to the state of Tennessee and to this country. You know she has a screw loose when she demands to be addressed as Congressman Blackburn.

  • Swine poet Rusty Limburger:
    All ass. No assonance.
    Mental masturbator and master poetaster.
    Shoulda just stuck to his forte: the snort.
    Stead… he spent half the night rubbing his nine neurons together
    To come up with this knee-jerk neologism:
    “Hagel rhymes with bagel which rhymes with betray us.”
    And then passing the crank coinage off on a prank caller.
    Weak stinky cheese.
    Getting mildewy..
    In his old age.

    Ditto that.

  • Marsha Blackburn had the nerve to call John Murtha, a decorated Veteran, a “coward” because she disagreed with his political ideas about Iraq. Rather than discuss his plan, she jumped on the RW bandwagon of calling him a coward. How can she complain about namecalling? Blackburn is a disgrace to TN.

  • Marsha Blackburn is an odious stupid hack. Hell even Tweety slaps her around when she comes on his show. Shuster deserves his own show. He has some serious investigative chops. He was all over the Plame story.Ever since Scarborough moved, I’ve hoped Shuster would be given his spot. Tucker was merely tolerable when he was on later at night. At least Rachel Maddow was on and she’s great. I haven’t been able to stomache him since he moved to his new pre-Tweety timeslot. And I can’t watch Tweety any more either. Because he’s nothing but a giant suck up. And he gives me the creeps with his weird sexual obsession of the Clinton’s and his man crushes on rethugs. (Shudder)

    Marsha is my congresscritter and she is the perfect embodiment of everything that is vile and nasty, reprehensible, stupid and un-American that is the hallmark of this Republican party. Howard Dean, find me a challenger for her please!

  • Shuster is a professional who knows what journalism is all about. Most of the other media personalities are just that – bubbly faces posing for the cameras doing fluff pieces. Shuster deserves his own hard hitting show where he is free to speak truth to power. Oh how I yearn for the impossible in this day and age of corporate vanilla. -Kevo

  • Let’s not foget that Limbaugh reaches more people with his radio show than the NYT reaches with his readers. If it wasn’t for the Republicans making a big deal of the ad, I would never have known about it.

    The Republican’s own stupidity brought it far more ‘good’ publicity then the $140K it ended up costing MoveOn.org.

  • Sending Marsha Blackburn to the David Shuster interview was like sending someone with a knife to a gun shootout. Just another Republican hack repeating the same old talking points without ever doing any research on her own.
    Agreed , David Shuster should have his own program and MSNBC should trade Tucker Carlson to FOX Noise for some cash and a player to be named later.

  • It appears the soldier Shuster mentioned was from Tennesee, not even Blackburn’s state.

    More importantly, Shuster did not have permission from the family of the fallen soldier to use his name.

  • why should she know about that particular soldier? hes not even from her district.
    why not ask hillary about a soldier from hawaii?

  • If Blackburn is concerned about namecalling as in the moveon ad, she should never have called John Murtha a coward.

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