A peek into an odd and inexplicable perspective

So, Barack Obama just delivered an important — and, by some measures, brilliant — speech on race, religion, civil rights, American history, and the role each has played in his own personal story. Some will find the address moving, others less so. Either way, it’s going to dominate the discourse today, which is probably a very good thing.

I suspect it’s pretty easy to guess how Democrats will come down on Obama’s speech — his supporters will say Obama effectively clinched the nomination today, while Clinton’s supporters will argue that great speeches do not necessarily make a great candidate.

And what of our conservative friends? Kevin Drum grabbed the various reactions from the blogging staff at the National Review. (I hope Kevin won’t mind too much if I run the whole thing.)

“Amazingly bloodless and dull; part moral hectoring part awkward defensiveness.” “I think if you want to be romanced by your candidate, he romanced you. And if you’re a guilty white person, you’re with Obama because he said so.” “Was it just me, or did anyone else note that for the first half of the speech, Sen. Obama seemed annoyed, put out by having to give the speech in the first place?”

“This a breathtaking attempt to pass off Wright’s hateful rants by implying that they are little different than the ‘political views’ of some priest with which a parishioner might disagree.” “Obama is no longer a post-racial candidate….today, he has embraced the politics of grievance.” “Blame whitey, and raise high the red flag of socialism. This is a serious candidate for the Presidency? Toast, toast.”

“His grandmother — his surrogate mother at that point — rejected the black man he was becoming. The anger Obama heard in Rev. Wright’s church may not have felt so alien after all.” “Any hopes anyone had that Barack Obama would be a gift to civil rights in America — that he would shake hands with Ward Connerly and really be a change died today, I think.”

“Does he think OJ was guilty? Hmmm. Probably not the best example to put into play.” “It’s hard to imagine how someone who listened to this speech, and who had followed at all the controversy of the last few days, could still view Obama as somehow transcending politics.”

I know others have made this observation before me, but reading these bizarre reactions made me wonder what the reaction might have been to, say, JFK’s speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association in 1960 if The Corner was around to live-blog it. Or really, any of the great campaign speeches of the modern political era.

I almost wish there had been live-blogging at the time, if only because the reactions would appear so utterly ridiculous in hindsight.

I’m not necessarily arguing that Obama’s speech in Philadelphia today will still be talked about decades from now — though, in all sincerity, I think it’s certainly possible — but if it is, I hope historians remember to reference conservative responses from the day. “Blame whitey, and raise high the red flag of socialism.” This is what passes for insightful conservative thought in 2008 — at one of the right’s highest profile blogs.

Yglesias highlighted one specific Corner item, from Charlotte Hays:

Obama says that we shouldn’t “condemn without understanding the roots” of remarks like those Wright made. Whatever the roots, these remarks are to be condemned. Within what context is it correct for the Rev. Wright to say “God damn America?”

I’m curious if conservatives thought to listen (or even read) the speech before making these kinds of criticisms. “Within what context is it correct for the Rev. Wright to say ‘God damn America?'” Well, according to Obama, there is no context in which this is correct. That was part of the reason he gave the speech.

It’s awfully difficult to relate to conservatives sometimes. They just seem to speak a different language.

Another language? They act like they’re from another planet!

  • Don’t miss this one, though, from Bell Curve author Charles Murray…

    Have I missed the competition? [Charles Murray]

    I read the various posts here on “The Corner,” mostly pretty ho-hum or critical about Obama’s speech. Then I figured I’d better read the text (I tried to find a video of it, but couldn’t). I’ve just finished. Has any other major American politician ever made a speech on race that comes even close to this one? As far as I’m concerned, it is just plain flat out brilliant–rhetorically, but also in capturing a lot of nuance about race in America. It is so far above the standard we’re used to from our pols…. But you know me. Starry-eyed Obama groupie.

  • And it should also be pointed out that the Corner’s perspective is right in line with the MyDD Hillary Hate Monger/Daily Kos Strike crowd.

  • Take some of the comments from Clinton supporters in the other two threads here today and you can match Drum’s examples idiocy for idiocy. I seriously doubt some of our “Clinton supporters” actually support Hillary.

  • Hard-Core conservatives, and others who inherently despise Obama, will not find anything right with this speech, and contort it’s meaning into their pre-concieved ideas and/or republican talking points so it makes them feel better about themselves. I’m not saying everyone should be in awe – I just think that if they are going to reject it, they should reject it based on what it is, not what they are twisting it to be.

    It was a brave and inspirational speech, but the divisiveness that exists in American politics today will reduce it to an election ploy, or racist speech, or whatever they condemn it to be.

  • From the headline here, I thought this was going to be a post about Mary, Greg and Comeback Bill.

  • It’s awfully difficult to relate to conservatives sometimes. They just seem to speak a different language.

    Yes the do: an odd mix of chimpanzee and stupid.

  • I remember back in the 1990s, when I could actually tolerate listening to Rush Limbaugh on the radio, he used to always say that “words mean things.” Of course, now that the likely Democratic nominee is an intelligent, thoughtful, articulate person who is able to challenge conventional wisdom about the perennial issue of race, words are just words.

    Here we have a landmark speech on race – considered, eloquent, and challenging – from Barack Obama. Republicans know that if people actually read the speech, people may actually come away with a respect for his sensitivity to the complexities of race in this country. So they will simply try to drown out his speech with ceaseless mockery and superficial rhetoric. The Republicans should be careful, though, because if they are seen as the ones trying to prolong the racial issue, it may very well backfire.

  • That was a wonderful speech with great aspirations that, in my opinion, no one can rationally dispute. One can doubt that he, or we, will be able to realize his dreams in our lifetime, but any other rejection of his speech by Republican commentators says much more about them than about him. And none of it is complimentary to them.

    If I was on Obama’s campaign, I’d send a video of the speech to each of the superdelegates, with a note asking them to watch if they missed it.

  • It’s awfully difficult to relate to conservatives sometimes. They just seem to speak a different language.

    They are just wired differently. It’s in the hardware, not the software. Other than applying some athletic de-programming and heavy chemistry, it’s how they shall always be.

  • It’s awfully difficult to relate to conservatives sometimes.

    Some of the Clinton supporters among us don’t seem to have a problem; they sound exactly like those right wing sentiments.

  • … but any other rejection of his speech by Republican commentators says much more about them than about him.

    Accurate and appropriate. Nevertheless, the lemming hordes that hinge on every word of the Cornerite Tribe and tribal cousins will stand pat. Some may explode from the repressed racist rage, which I shall deign to enjoy to the fullest.

  • Imagine how dull this election cycle would be without Obama. He speaks to the people, the country, not to interest groups, not to practicalities, not to impossibilities. How American can you get? Others see an America hog-tied by difficulty; he sees challenge and opportunity. He makes no claim to having all the answers or as president, to having the power to implement them. He is challenging America to wake from the doldrums of inevitablity and impossibilty. The common people are more alike than different. Their power has been fractured and diminished by idealogy, bigotry, appeals to greed, dogmatic obssession, to the point of impotency. The American people are like the big Native-American in One Flew Over The Cookoo’s nest; they have forgotten how strong they are.

  • Steve Benen: …his supporters will say Obama effectively clinched the nomination today…

    Quite right. The math is of course indisputably on his side.
    But today’s wisdom and heart-felt insights won it for him spiritually and emotionally. The superdelegates dare not deny him now on electability issues.

  • One wonders how silly this fracas would have been if Wright has simply said “Shame on you” instead of “God damn America.”

  • The ingredient of eloquence has been missing far too long in the public domain. Faced with a speech like that of Sen. Obama, these pundits are simply out of their league. They have spent 8 plus years translating the strangled utterances and outright gobbledy gook nonsense of the most dismissive president in history.

    Just read this statement and remember ANY recent speech or press conference by GW Bushmouth:

    “Was it just me, or did anyone else note that for the first half of the speech, _________ seemed annoyed, put out by having to give the speech in the first place?”

  • Want to see an odd and inexplicable perspective? Check this out:

    AMMAN, Jordan — Sen. John McCain, traveling in the Middle East to promote his foreign policy expertise, misidentified in remarks Tuesday which broad category of Iraqi extremists are allegedly receiving support from Iran.

    He said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda. In fact, officials have said they believe Iran is helping Shiite extremists in Iraq.

    Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives “taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back.”

    Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was “common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.” A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate’s ear. McCain then said: “I’m sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda.”…

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/18/a_mccain_gaffe_in_jordan.html

  • i checked out fox news at lunch — what an interesting collection of quotes from obama’s speech running along the little ticker at the bottom of my screen.

    much like taking the gettysburg address and cutting it up to create a ransom note.

  • (Sorry, I don’t know how to do the embed thing.) -Rachel

    [a href=”paste link here”]type words here[/a]

    Replace the [ and ] with respectively and make sure the include the quotes around the link.

  • Replace the [ and ] with respectively…

    Haha. It got rid of the tag markers. Should have figured.

    Try this: replace the [ and ] with less than and greater than symbols (shift+comma and shift+period).

  • Any superdelegate who could watch this speech (and contrast it with Hillary’s shrieks) and not cast his or her vote for Barack isn’t very super, imho.

    BTW, I still think they ought to be called “ex officio delegates”. It’s fully descriptive of their role, and it offputs the ignorant.

  • much like taking the gettysburg address and cutting it up to create a ransom note. -entheo

    Four score and seven years ago, give us $100,000 if you want to see your daughter alive again!

    I knew Lincoln overstepped there.

  • I don’t have it here to paste/link to, but the Family Research Council sent out an email saying Obama’s speech just called for more godless socialism to solve our problems instead of the god mandated free market system.

    You have to wonder sometimes if they have a program to merge the name of the minute into the same letter they’ve been mailing since 1962.

  • It’s often been said that hard-core conservatives lack the empathy and introspection that most humans possess to varying degrees. To understand Obama’s speech requires a fair amount of both.

  • “It’s awfully difficult to relate to conservatives sometimes. They just seem to speak a different language.”

    Yes, exactly. So please stop trying. They are not an interested in nuance or poetry or context. They’re interested in stopping political agendas they don’t like. The follow this dictum: “..a truth is not hard to kill, and that a lie well told is immortal.”

    Being smarter politically is the only solution…not worrying about having a dialogue with people who aren’t interested in dialogue.

  • Obama is coming from a place of: consideration & understanding of others; I am my brother’s keeper, with an overview of unity…and when combined with his stunning intelligence & veracity it made me weep for love and caring and hope.

    There are some people who feel more comfortable with hate & suspicion…and the corporate media just wants to complete the destruction of our nation and earth for a few bucks in the short term. The Family Research Council is all about profit for a few…and their only connection to families is the propaganda they give to families.

  • Most wingnuts won’t bother to read or listen to the speech — they’ll accept their commentariat’s opinion at face value. But some will actually pay attention to what Obama said — and a few will realize that the right wing noise machine is lying through their teeth about it. I have Republican relatives and slowly they’re beginning to see through the vitriol and the propaganda to what those lies are costing them. And they’re getting angry…

  • You forget that The Corner was founded by William F. Buckley, Jr., who defended southern white supremacy as a “useful antidote” to the uncivilized you-know-whats.

    You also seem to expect intelligence from these people – which is like expecting to get water from a stone.

  • We all recognize what harm bigotry can do.
    But misogyny is kinda being neglect isn’t it?

    Actually, we all don’t recognize the harm bigotry can do — some of countrymen still use it as a weapon. As for misogyny, where have you been? HRC and her campaign made it an issue that was discussed at length a few weeks ago, and I’m sure after seeing the spotlight shift to Obama, she’ll find a way to steer the discussion back. Doesn’t mean we solved or will solve either, but neither has been neglected.

  • If Obama had simply explained that for over the last quarter century Reaganomics has unfairly advantaged capital over labor. And Rev. Wright’s comments notwithstanding, as president he intends to work with Congress to reverse those policies….THAT would have been brilliant.

    Instead, I agree that Obama (after staying up late into the night?) came forward with an amazingly dull; part moral hectoring part awkward defensiveness…If you want to be romanced by your candidate, he romanced you. And if you’re a guilty white person, you’re with Obama because he said so. And for the first half of the speech, he seemed annoyed, by having to give the speech in the first place.

  • The rightwing haters continue to disconnect, distance themselves, from the rest of us. This is good

  • “It’s awfully difficult to relate to conservatives sometimes. They just seem to speak a different language.”

    They don’t actually speak a language. They make sounds that one can confuse with language until you try to make sense of it. Did you ever try to have a conversation with a parrot?

  • “It’s awfully difficult to relate to conservatives sometimes. They just seem to speak a different language.”
    Not at all. They prefer to start with their beliefs, and then invent the facts to support them.

  • “…you don’t know me, but I’m your brother…”

    The Doobie Brothers, from “Takin’ it to the Streets”

    Let’s remember that the four-cornered-head conservative crowd illustrated in the above article is responsible for the debacle in which America currently finds itself, with nowhere to turn for friends and having watched the last grains of its moral hourglass run out. They should under no circumstances be taken seriously, because the lurching, clumsy, directionless juggernaut they have built with their genius is plain to see. In their blind fury, they do not care who they destroy or damage; it is carnage for the sake of carnage. Reason and diplomacy will find no audience here.

  • I didn’t hear the speach and don’t need to. Obama and his supporters have been nonstop rhetoric for months. Pretty words are fun, but I’m interested in policy expertise and governing achievement. At this stage of the game, it’s fair to think they can’t use reason, simply because they never do. And I’m tired of the flood of rhetorical tricks.
    http://a-civilife.blogspot.com

  • Yes, pretty words ARE fun. And when you put them together, they make a “speech”; not a “speach”. George Bush made lots of “speaches”, and in spite of all the practice, he somehow got worse at it!! Ain’t that funny?? But the crowd who thought he would be fun to have a beer with forgave him, as they would – and will – any number of stupidities.

  • 38. Will said: I didn’t hear the speach and don’t need to. Obama and his supporters have been nonstop rhetoric for months. Pretty words are fun, but I’m interested in policy expertise and governing achievement. At this stage of the game, it’s fair to think they can’t use reason, simply because they never do.

    Yeah, Hillary supporters are intelligent and reasonable, and the Obama supporters aren’t. Brilliant. You’re obviously new here and haven’t read Mary and Greg’s prodigious body of work.

  • One other point for Will: You do realize that you just called Hillary supporters the reasonable ones in a thread where you essentially agree whole-heartedly with the wit and wisdom of the Corner and other rightwing blogs. For God’s sake, you agree with RUSH FUCKING LIMBAUGH, the guy who has made a career out of calling your candidate every dirty word in existence, and you think Obama supporters aren’t being reasonable? Are all of you really that far gone from reality that you don’t see how fucked up your perspective is? Most of the fervent Hillary supporters who post here have ceased to be Democrats and don’t even have the self-awareness to realize it.

  • Look, Will may be a snot, but that doesn’t mean you should tar half of Democrats with the same brush.

    They aren’t Democrats?

    Neither are you.

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