A referee that only calls fouls on one team

A couple of weeks ago, a growing number of political insiders were noting the similarities between John Kerry’s comment four years ago about voting for a spending bill before he voted against it, and John McCain’s remarks about his willingness to keep U.S. troops in Iraq for as long as 100 years.

Mark Salter, a top McCain advisor, called on the media to help McCain out by explaining that the senator didn’t really mean he wanted another century of war. “If the press is going to play referee on what is a bogus claim and what isn’t, then this is one case,” Salter said.

And sure enough, the very same major media outlets that skewered Al Gore and John Kerry for minor gaffes — some real, most imagined — seem to be going to considerable lengths to defend McCain against something he really did say. Media Matters’ Jamison Foser wrote a gem on the subject.

On April 3, The Washington Post ran an item purporting to fact-check criticism of John McCain over his January comments about keeping the U.S. military in Iraq for 100 years. The Post’s Michael Dobbs concluded that McCain critics who claim that the Republican presidential candidate wants to continue the Iraq war for 100 years are distorting his comments. Dobbs’ article came one week to the day after a New York Times article about criticisms of McCain that “mischaracterize and distort” McCain’s 100-years comments.

The articles in the Times and the Post come in the midst of a great deal of media attention to McCain’s comments, much of which asserts that McCain’s remarks have been distorted or unfairly criticized.

Distortions and unfair criticisms are nothing new in political campaigns. Somewhat more unusual is the eagerness of some news organizations to defend McCain from such distortions. McCain and his staff distort the Democratic candidates’ tax plans on a near-daily basis, and the media don’t seem to care. And The New York Times and The Washington Post weren’t so concerned about distortions of a presidential candidates’ comments when the candidate was named Al Gore — back then, rather than debunking the distortions, the Times and the Post were the ones doing the distorting.

But what is most notable about the coverage of McCain’s 100-years comments is that while news organizations like the Times and the Post have rushed to McCain’s defense with reports pointing out what McCain didn’t say, those reports have failed to explore what he does mean.

That last point is especially significant. It’s not just that major news outlets are providing context to a key campaign controversy; some are pretending it isn’t even a controversy at all.

While several of those articles [from the WaPo and NYT] quote McCain staff members asserting that his comments have been distorted, not a single one gives any indication that either paper has asked McCain or his staff any questions that would clarify how long McCain is willing to continue fighting in Iraq.

McCain’s 100-years comment came as he avoided directly answering questions about how long he would be willing to continue fighting a war in Iraq in which American troops are being wounded and killed. Yes, Mr. Straight Talk was ducking the question. During the same event, McCain said “setting a date for withdrawal is a date for surrender, and we would then have many more casualties and many more Americans sacrificed if we withdraw with — with a setting a date for surrender.” In effect, McCain is having it both ways — he refuses to set a date by which the United States will stop fighting in Iraq, but when critics accuse him of being willing to continue fighting in Iraq for 100 years, he and his campaign reject that. Well, which is it? If he refuses to set a date by which we will stop fighting, then it is fair to say he’s willing to keep fighting for 100 years. And if he isn’t willing to keep fighting for 100 years, then he doesn’t really refuse to set a date by which we must stop fighting. But neither the Times nor the Post explore that tension in their articles about McCain’s 100-years comments.

Not a single article examines whether McCain’s desire for a long-term military presence in Iraq similar to the presence we have in Germany and Korea is even remotely plausible. Time’s Joe Klein argues that it isn’t: “That betrays a fairly acute lack of knowledge about both Iraq and Islam. It may well be possible to station U.S. troops in small, peripheral kingdoms like Dubai or Kuwait, but Iraq is — and has always been — volatile, tenuous, centrally-located and nearly as sensitive to the presence of infidels as Saudi Arabia. It is a terrible candidate for a long-term basing agreement.”

Not a single one of the articles made any attempt to assess how much it would cost to maintain a military presence in Iraq for 100 years, or to determine how McCain would pay for it. Not a single one made any attempt to assess (or gave any indication that a reporter asked McCain) what effect such a lengthy commitment of U.S. forces to Iraq would do to our military readiness, or the effects it would have on the troops themselves.

Complicating matters, as we discussed the other day, is that McCain has contradicted himself (more than once) on his willingness to consider a long-term presence for U.S. troops in Iraq. This, too, has been largely (if not, entirely) ignored by campaign reporters, anxious to give McCain a hand with one of his more troublesome public remarks.

Digby added that the media’s bene doing “triple backflips and double axels explaining away McCain’s ‘100 years in Iraq’ comment.”

On the best of days, John McCain’s fanboys rival 12 year old girls screaming themselves faint in the front row of a Jonas Brothers concert, but this rush to ensure that that mean Barack Obama didn’t “get away” with using McCain’s own words against him on the stump was a profile in Xtreme Flyboy-love. Once again, McCain is excused for saying something completely shocking because his scribbling sycophants are sure he “didn’t really mean it.” One can only imagine what it would be like if all candidates were given the benefit of the doubt on such matters.

I’d just add that it continues to amaze me when Republicans complain — as they often do — that the media has been too easy on Barack Obama. The lengths some of these news outlets go to help John McCain at times makes it appear they’re on his payroll.

We already knew that the MSM is in love with McSame so this isn’t surprising, they’ve ignored so many of the things he’s done

  • Heck McSame is now lying about Obama talking about leaving a strike force to keep an eye on Iraq, something he’s been saying for months, but Mccain thinks its only recent, lets see if any of the MSM calls foul on it

  • Maybe I am just overly optimistic this sunny spring morning, but part of me thinks this may be another enjoyable chapter of Republican tactics coming back to bite them in the ass.

    Yep, the MSM will do McSame’s bidding. They will defend him when his words are indefensible. They will cover him with sweet smokey BBQ’d love.

    And the public won’t fall for it. In part because the Fright Wing has spent the last 20 years telling anyone who would listen (and even those who were trying not to) that the MSM is a bunch of liars and cheap-shot artists who are not to be trusted under any circumstance. And then when the media fixed what wasn’t really broken, they sent reality-based news junkies scrambling to learn more about the Web and how it could be used to fact check and find depth — the second-level effect of the anti-media attacks of the Right.

    If I’m even remotely correct about this, the pure unmitigated schadenfreude of it all will be a touching thing of beauty.

  • Gee, maybe I missed it. I did read this piece rather quickly looking for what McCain actually said. (By the way it is odd how the commenters here don’t seem to know his name). And it is a bit tedious plowing through all that linked propaganda. But I don’t see it, do you? What actually was the “100 years” remark?

    Well, here it is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk

  • Not a single article examines whether McCain’s desire for a long-term military presence in Iraq similar to the presence we have in Germany and Korea is even remotely plausible. Time’s Joe Klein argues that it isn’t: “That betrays a fairly acute lack of knowledge about both Iraq and Islam. It may well be possible to station U.S. troops in small, peripheral kingdoms like Dubai or Kuwait, but Iraq is — and has always been — volatile, tenuous, centrally-located and nearly as sensitive to the presence of infidels as Saudi Arabia. It is a terrible candidate for a long-term basing agreement.”

    This is the crux of the criticism, and it deserves wider discussion. McCain’s “policy” is internally inconsistent and at odds with reality. It is also contrary to public opinion, so it is certainly worth pointing the former points out over and over.

    I think the media is so invested in the war because it was just as wrong as Bush, and simply can’t face up to that. So they won’t really criticize the continuance of the war becauae that would be to criticize the inception of the war which, in turn, would require coming to grips with their complicity.

    Better to be wrong with the herd than right and alone.

  • “…large and centrally-located…” Like Germany perhaps?
    “…but Iraq is — and has always been — volatile…” Like the Korean peninsula perhaps?

    “…I think the media is so invested in the war…” The NYT and WAPO everyday have pieces slamming the war in various ways. Here’s one today from WAPO that you will love, except it shows you are wrong about the MSM:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/04/AR2008040402581.html

  • Geez, a political candidate has changed his statements to attract votes. So what? Those who expect consistency from political candidates are almost begging for someone who is too inflexible to change as circumstances dictate, and too scared of being called a flip-flopper to do what is best under the current circumstances.

    I didn’t think it was right when Kerry was attacked for flip-flopping, and insisting that McCain be similarly attacked compounds the wrongness of this argument.

    Again, why is no one talking about the fact, reported by HuffPo, that Obama is refusing to talk to the gay press in PA? Everyone has assured me that Obama truly cares about gays. I see this as once again catering to the homophobic among his black supporters. A single speech mentioning homophobia cannot make up for ignoring a constituency when it becomes inconvenient, can it? Here is an Obama “flip-flop” being ignored by this blog because of its support for Obama. How is that any different than what the mainstream press does for McCain?

  • Fred Beloit (6): I can’t get stream on my PC, but does it include the beginning of the audience member’s question:

    I do not believe that one U.S. soldier being killed almost every day is success. There were three U.S. soldiers killed today. I want to know how long are we going to be there?

    or his comment after the 100 year comment?

    I want to go back to Iraq — 50 years? What if American soldiers are being killed one per day four years from now?

    McCain answers: I understand what’s at stake here. And I understand that American public opinion will not sustain a conflict where Americans continued to be sacrificed without showing them that we can succeed.
    Audience member: So what I hear is an open-ended commitment? An open-ended commitment? —
    Mr. McCain: I have a quote open-ended commitment in Asia, I have an open-ended commitment in South Korea, I have an open-ended commitment in Bosnia. I have an open-ended commitment in Europe. I have an open-ended commitment everywhere.

    The long and the short of it is that he’s wants to stay in Iraq for a long time, and to justify this, he merely insists things will get better. But in Iraq we are not guarding a border like Korea. We’re not coming off a war of the magnitude of WWII as in Germany or Japan. We’re not rebuilding infrastructure. We’re not dealing with a homogeneous population. What we are doing is arming the different factions including the Quds force-trained Badr Brigade (SCIRI).

    McCain will not have any control for 100 years. But those of us who are concerned about him are concerned about four.

  • Actually the editor of the gay newspaper is a clinton supporter

    Also Obama has recently had fundraisers with gay associations

  • Fred Beloit: I would also add that Bush had said on many occasions that we would not stay in Iraq one day longer than necessary. The gist of what McCain is saying is that we will have permanent bases there. While that may seem consistent with the suspicions people had about Bush, it is certainly contrary to his stated purposes. And McCain’s statements make that unambiguous.

  • “setting a date for withdrawal is a date for surrender.”

    Using this logic, we haven’t won, and we can’t leave when we win because leaving is losing, so therefore we’ll never be able to win and therefore we’ll never leave. That’s the most f*cked up rationale for a war I’ve ever heard.

    This mindset proves one of two things: either there was/ is no rationale for this war and Republican leaders are stalling for time until they figure one out, or folks like McCain are just refusing to admit that this is all about the Iraqis having put their country on top of our oil and we ain’t leaving until we get all the oil out. Any way you slice it, McCain is being disingenuous, to put it mildly, and we’re being lied to one way or the other. Right, Fred?

  • Mary: “I didn’t think it was right when Kerry was attacked for flip-flopping, and insisting that McCain be similarly attacked compounds the wrongness of this argument.”

    They are not simliar and I don’t believe the article was wanting the media to go after McCain, just report the facts, or at a bare minimum quit acting like it was never said and/or quit putting effort into burying it.

    It’s as if McCain threw a big BBQ for ‘his’ political reporters and they forgot that they are reporters and not consultants.

  • What’s love got to do with it? Not a damn thing.

    All of American Media is owned by only six conglomerates now, all with conservative white guys at the helm. It’s all about dollars sense and protecting their own power network.

    McCain is the new Bush. All you have to do to be successful in the GOP is not get caught with a member of your own gender in bed and be willing to parrot the party line. And if in the case of McCain, you don’t even have to do that.

    It makes no matter what he says in speeches, no more than it matters the number of enormous gaffes he makes. What he “means” will always be interpreted so that it fits the GOP agenda and the media is paid to go along.

    Lest we forget the number of reporters who have been fired for not parroting the GOP propaganda or the number of embedded reporters who have been killed by “friendly fire” in Iraq.

    The GOP have circumvented the constitution and rule of law, they spy on citizens indiscriminately and blatantly own the media. Not to mention using our tax dollars to line their own pockets. Do they have reinstitute slavery and quarter soldiers in our homes before we realize revolution is yet again in order?

  • my biggest problem with john w. mcsame’s “100 year” comment was not so much what he said, but that he said it at all.

    mcsame has a great tendency to say whatever pops into his head (part of his “straight talk” appeal, i guess). but speaking as someone whose own inability to keep from making smart-assed remarks has gotten him in trouble on more than one occasion, i’d much rather have a president to THINKS before talking!

  • Poor John McCain will be Mr. Magoo when campaigning against Obama in the GE. Right now nobody is challenging him in the campaign, but he’s un a swamp with alligators, mosquitoes, water moccasins, and quicksand, even with Joe Lieberman playing Cheney to his Bush.

    The only thing the obviously right wing-leaning MSM can do right now to support McCain is talk about what a NICE man he is and ignore his terrible gaffes, but Obama really will be debating Mr. Magoo when the GE campaigning gets started, without even putting him down, accusing him of lying, or being senile. I almost feel sorry for McCain, given what we know is coming.

  • Mary, until today I’d given you the benefit of the doubt. I trusted that you were a devout Hillary voter, but that you were a Democrat also. Today, Jumping on Obama for another perceived slight, and basically defending McCain from Steve Benen pretty much proved just how irrational your hatered of Obama is. Steve wasn’t complaining about McCain “flip-flopping”. He was complaining because one of McCain’s spokespeople was playing the refs. And the refs were allowing themselves to be played. That the fourth estate was covering up for a real gaff, and instead of following up and finding out exactly what McCain meant by his 100 years comment, or even what his long-term intentions towards Iraq are they started making stuff up. I’m sorry you don’t see that.

    The only comfort I take in any of this stuff is that after the war crimes tribunals, all the propagandists will also be tried, reporters, editors and owners of the media and all the people we’ve come to absolutely loathe, and all the tactics they’ve employed for the last 7+ years will be used in their trials to convict them of aiding and abetting in crimes against humanity.

    And it does my heart good to know that many people have stopped reading the paper and are now getting their news online.

  • in case anyone is still confused about what mccain actually said:

    At a town hall meeting in Derry, New Hampshire:

    Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years — (cut off by McCain)

    McCAIN: Make it a hundred.

    Q: Is that … (cut off)

    McCAIN: We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …

    Q: [tries to say something]

    McCAIN: As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Queada is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day.

  • Saying “As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed” is a bit like saying “As long as space aliens fly us over the Atlantic in their flying saucers.” It’s a condition that certainly isn’t being fulfilled now, and no reasonable person can foresee it happening during a McCain term if ever. If Americans are there, they will be targets.

    No matter how you quibble about the wording of the comment, he was saying something that betrayed he has a bizarre understanding of the situation in Iraq, and a willingness to talk about nonsense.

  • #15, Deborah, you are so right. It makes my crazy to see how a majority of jourinalism is giving McCain’t a press pass on all his flip-flopping. The public polls say that he is trusted by more people over either democratic candidate. Don’t people read and research who they are voting for? No! The majority don’t. What about the fact he is one of the Keating Five or that he killed over 100 people on the USS Forrestal? What about his angry demeanor and hot-headed ways? What about the fact that he wants to be a Bush clone and continue the same policies. Bush’s approval rating is low, but people want for more years of McSame. Someone please explain this to me. I sure hope we get a candidate soon and start to educated the public about what a poor choice McCain would be. I can’t go through another four years of this crap again. I may need a prozac smoothies, God help us all, if the republican trolls win again. Tell me it ain’t so!

  • Self-styled royalty with a throne to inherit, people like Hillary and McCain, don’t give a damn for remark consistency. That’s for little people.

  • Frankly, I don’t know why the way our media works to subvert democracy is always “debated” – as if that does any good or they are going to see the errors of their ways and change.

    Media Matters and orgs like them do great work but they just speak to the choir. Outside of keeping the informed further informed they are useless as far as stopping any of it. Do you think O’reily being named “Worst Person” a thousand times has done any frigging good? Think about what has been exposed about him. He is still on the air and gets worse by the day. Rush has been lying to his conditioned followers for almost two decades, you think anyone cares that he deceives his listeners? We’re not talking first amendment we are talking about intentionally deceiving your listeners, which in affect subverts othe republic.

    I think the biggest problem is liberals keep acting like some of these people can be shamed into changing or worse, the naivety of thinking people like Klein and Time aren’t intentionally deceiving their readers. When are we going to quit being afraid to say this?

    Liberals, while being critical of these people, still act like they can be saved or are going to change. How stupid is that?

    Robert Parry has been telling us all for years that the problem is we have no way to get the message out to anyone but the choir. We have no dedicated infrastructure. Fascists own the papers, fascists control the radio airways, fascists control all the TV news outlets. We have what, maybe a handful of reporters who can be expected to do anything but deceive their readers? The ones that do are not discussed on TV or on the radio and certainly what say, Scott Horton for instance, reports doesn’t make it to the mainstream. Republicans literally have papers and cable channels dedicated to deceiving the nation for them and all we need is ones telling the truth CONSISTANTLY. But that is not in sight and is why this election, like the last 2, will be close and that fact alone is a shining example of how fucked we are.

    Of course when it comes to someone honest like Parry you won’t see any of the big bloggers like TPM, TP ever link to him. They are embarrassed by the truth I guess. Right wingers praise Coulter and Savage and liberals are afraid to even mention Parry’s work. We are our own enemy.

    Even Olberman keeps putting people on his show like Margarita “It’s fun to fuck with Gore” Carlson and Media Whore of the year award winner, Fineman. Two of the worst of the worst – yes they put their more sensible face on for Keith but afterward they go right back to their inept “reporting.”

    Keith doesn’t seem to have the authority or isn’t wise enough to inject the many voices from the left that are out there – and I say that knowning he is just a drop in the bucket, agin preaching to the choir. Name me ONE, just one pundit or commentator who is as knowledgeable as Parry? You can’t on most subjects but where is he as just one example. Seriously, Parry has some of the most insightful and well documented commentary on the net but you won’t see TPM or TP or most liberal bloggers ever link to him. They show us all of what Drudge did today so we can get all riled up but they won’t use the voices we have to try to change shit.

    Here – this is what we are talking about and nothing has been done to keep this from happening again, nothing.

    How long does one have to be kicked in the nuts before they realizes it is intentional?

  • Welcoming the new troll, Fred Beloit, so sorry to disappoint your sense of reality, but when a news outlet actually states an obvious fact, they are doing their job. When facts to not reflect your opinion, it does not indicate media bias, it indicates your own bias.

    Do the math yourself, at a rate of $12 billion on credit per month plus 25 to 40 American lives there exists a point at which anyone living in this country will see the futility of this effort. The facts being that it was begun on a stack of lies and distortions merely adds to the futility.

    Add this to the unitary executive and his all out assault on the Constitution then multiply by 2 recessions and you have the legacy of each and every Bush voter. If any one of you was a true patriot, I just wonder how you live with yourselves.

  • Also, let’s not forget that this same guy who seems to be thrilled at the notion of a one hundred year occupation also doesn’t know the difference between Sunni and Shia, nor has he signed the new G.I. Bill to actually help those troops he wants there for a century. The Maverickiness is palpable.

  • I have a somewhat different take on what the media is doing, and in the long run it isn’t going to help McCain.

    First they make some generalized statement about the situation, useless spin.

    Many times, they get a defender to say ‘he never said stay in Iraq 100 years’.

    Then they play the question, and the response, and the qualification (if nobody is being killed or hurt).

    Then they go back to the chattering class and get a response:

    defenders try nuance the situation (not good for Republicans)

    non-defenders ask any number of interesting questions:

    How long until nobody killed or hurt?

    Occupation…Hello?

    Money?

    Why are we in Iraq in the first place? Why would we remain there if there was nothing to do and no risk to our forces?

    If the point is to leave ASAP, why 100 years after we are not needed to do anything?

    Etc.

    There is simply no downside to this, you can’t explain it, and it is unique in the Pro/Con debate style on cable news. The McCain side has to explain, and the other side just has to ask one of the above questions. It is a no brainer, because nobody can think of any good reason for us to be there right now, much less staying around when we are no longer needed.

  • To Fred Beloit: True – but the editorial staff and reporting staff are two different sections of a newspaper. Compared to how Kerry and Gore were treated, McCain is getting a pass on this one. There is an excellent article in the Washington Monthly about how the media treated similar kinds of remarks from Gore:

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0004.parry.html

    Read or skim that, and you get a sense of just how petty the media can be.

    I think the fact is the Democratic candidate is going to have to find a way to deal with this unfair behavior effectively, because it’s entrenched, and it’s not going to go away. The bright spot is that McCain really said it, and he sounded like he meant it, and it was on video. He was laying out a fantasy “Partitioned Korea” scheme where nobody gets killed for decades. It sounds like he’s serious. This stuff has to go into ads, again and again.

  • About Korea-

    Korea in 1953 was NOTHING like Iraq is now. By all standards, the Korean War was a more violent and difficult struggle, but it was a struggle between two different and countervailing international forces (The U.S. and a shaky alliance between the U.S.S.R. and China). It also had two major internal factions that stood out in relief; the Communists in the North, and the non-communists in the South. The imperfect solution was to split up the country, enforce the cease-fire with our troops, and install a dictator in South Korea. South Korea was an oppressive regime for a while, but it was probably preferable to being ruled by Kim Il Sung. After all this, we were in for 30-40 years of tension and actual skirmishes on the border, misery in the North, and political turmoil in the South.

    There’s no way something like this would work in Iraq. In Iraq, there is no opposing extra-national force like the U.S.S.R. or China. The closest we come to that is Iran, but Iran is hedging their bets and providing assistance to various Shiite factions. Just last week, it came into the papers that they were supporting Maliki’s government and Sadr’s militias (to some greater or lesser extent) and they brokered a cease-fire between the two factions. Iran does not nearly have the control it would like, whatever anyone else says, so talking with them doesn’t necessarily help (aside to crazy idiots; neither does bombing them).
    In Korea, you had two distinct major factions vying for control; you could, at least, hammer out an agreement between them. In Iraq, you have a myriad of militias and factions, all of them asymmetrical, guerrilla organizations. We don’t want to make deals with them, because it legitimizes them, and even if we did, making a deal with one organization doesn’t stop the fighting with the others, nor does it prevent that faction from morphing into a new, hostile faction. Also in Korea, the Communists had an army in the north, so the north was theirs. Start assigning territory to the different factions in Iraq, and you will have a catastrophe on your hands as the different faction fight over who should get what.

    War supporters like to talk about a “Korea-style” solution because (1) they just don’t want to leave and (2) the messiness of Korea has receded out of our memory and we’re left with a thriving and generally democratic and successful South Korea, which is, at least, something positive to shoot for. But it’s a pipe dream.

  • 23. above
    On April 6th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, Kat said:…………………

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    your commentary is so right on … fascism is the way now, the ‘media’ is simply a criminal mafia organized by the corporations to enact their agenda. the ‘media elite’ are simply soul less buffoons who have made their ‘faustian deals’ to be where they are and thus consciously lie, deceive, and manipulate public perceptions in order for the corporations that own them to get their agendas enacted. they need to keep the ‘public’ stupid via the crap they ‘report’ so that their agenda remains relatively ‘unseen’. this is exactly what hitler’s media did ………… and look where that lead. so of course bush and his goons have paid KBR to build detentions centers in America that can hold millions of people .. secretly of course and of course the ‘media’ pretends that this has not happened. .. unreported. just like hitler did for all the ‘undesirables’ .. not just the jews and the gypsies. if and when the ‘majority’ ever wake up to actual reality it will be to late .. and if they do these detention centers are waiting for them ………..

  • Asking people for money is not the same as responding to questions about their concerns in the media. Of course the editor of the gay publication in question is a Clinton supporter. That’s because Obama has a real problem with gays. But, do political candidates only speak to the press who agree with them and support them? No, they speak to all of the press in order to reach voters with their message. Obama has no message for the GLBT community, except when he needs their money.

    Here is a fundamental disagreement I have with you Obama supporters. You seem to think that it is OK for Obama to do all the same wrong things in order to get elected that you complain about others doing. I disagree. I believe liberals should have values that put them above the tactics that we know are wrong, even when it is disadvantaging to stick to our principles. Because that is what makes us different than conservatives. If it is wrong to call a candidate names like “lying n—–” or “lying whore” then it is wrong when Randi Roades does it to Clinton, even though you guys hate hate hate Clinton. It is also wrong to do it to McCain or anyone else. A wrong was done to Kerry in the past and now you all think the same wrong should be done to McCain. I disagree. Something does not become right to do just because you really really really want Obama to win. Those of you now calling me names in the comment section might think about that a little bit, if you can.

  • What is wrong with me? I cannot understand why people are praising and voting for Obama. He reads a speech like Pastor and the words are Kerry’s and Kennedy’s.
    He gives me the creeps.
    What happened to his records for the 8 years he tells us he was doing wonderful things in Chicago?
    Why is MSNBC forcing this man on us and why are people falling for it?

    Dear Lord, he is such a phony and after 8 years of Bush who lied and lied and 52% believed and voted for him, and they are doing it again.

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