Abizaid counsels against using ‘Islamic terrorism’

For a variety of conservatives, most notably Rudy Giuliani and Joe Lieberman, supporting aggressive counter-terrorism measures isn’t enough. Credibility on national security is based largely on whether someone is willing to use the words “Islamic” and “terrorism” next to each other.

It’s worth noting, of course, that the president, who enjoys the enthusiastic support of Giuliani, Lieberman, and others who share their ideology, doesn’t use the preferred rhetoric. He used to, and the White House would make occasional references to “Islamofascism,” but to the Bush gang’s credit, they’ve moved away from that kind of rhetoric.

According to former CENTCOM Commander Gen. John Abizaid, Giuliani & Co. should follow suit. Indeed, during a discussion yesterday on the role of the military in counterterrorism, the general told at the Center for Strategic and International Studies that Giuliani’s preferred rhetoric makes diplomacy in the Middle East “very, very difficult.”

“[E]ven adding the word ‘Islamic extremism,’ or qualifying it to ‘Sunni Islamic extremism,’ or qualifying it further to ‘Sunni Islamic extremism’ as exemplified by government such as Bin Laden, all make it very, very difficult because the battle of words is meaningful, especially in the Middle East to people. And so, I do think, and I had a chance to get to know many of the regional leaders out there. They clearly understand that we, collectively, are fighting a problem that they don’t want to win, that we don’t want to win. The problem that we have to face is how do we work together to keep this problem from becoming mainstream. […]

“The key is to figure out how we don’t turn this into Samuel Huntington’s Battle of Civilization’s and we work toward an area where we respect mainstream Islam. There’s nothing Islamic about Bin Laden’s philosophy, there’s nothing Islamic about suicide bombing. I believe that these are huge difficulties that we need to overcome, this notion of Christianity versus Islam. It’s not that, it doesn’t need to be that.

To hear Giuliani tell it, those who don’t connect Islam with terrorism are “politically incorrect” and unwilling to acknowledge the seriousness of the terrorist threat.

Go ahead, Rudy, tell us Gen. Abizaid doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I dare you.

Speaking of the general, Abizaid also stepped on the neocons’ talking points yesterday when he said every effort should be made to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, but if the country does acquire them, the U.S. and its allies could live with a nuclear-armed regime in Tehran.

John Abizaid, the retired Army general who headed Central Command for nearly four years, said he was confident that if Iran gained nuclear arms, the United States could deter it from using them.

“Iran is not a suicide nation,” he said. “I mean, they may have some people in charge that don’t appear to be rational, but I doubt that the Iranians intend to attack us with a nuclear weapon.”

The Iranians are aware, he said, that the United States has a far superior military capability.

“I believe that we have the power to deter Iran, should it become nuclear,” he said, referring to the theory that Iran would not risk a catastrophic retaliatory strike by using a nuclear weapon against the United States.

“There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran,” Abizaid said in remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank. “Let’s face it, we lived with a nuclear Soviet Union, we’ve lived with a nuclear China, and we’re living with (other) nuclear powers as well.”

Let the right-wing smear of Gen. Abizaid begin in 3…2…1….

How dare Abizaid minimize the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran when, according to the Brookings Institute, we only have 10,600 nuclear weapons on hand? It’s shear madness to think that Iran, with an arsenal 1/10,600th the size of ours wouldn’t constitute a threat to all life on earth.

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    “using Giuliani’s preferred rhetoric makes diplomacy in the Middle East “very, very difficult”

    I know the above quote is true…
    But The Ghoul isn’t about diplomacy right now.
    The Ghoul has to focus on the task on hand:
    Winning the angry white male vote.
    His candidacy won’t go anywhere unless he invites those pugs to the table.

    Ergo, Ghouliani has to show he is a root’n-toot’n, bad-ass, white-ass cowboy.
    Get your frigging guns everyone… we is gonna kill us some diaper heads!
    Yeeeeeee-Haaaaaah!

    [Note: the above is spot-on political analysis.]

  • “I believe that these are huge difficulties that we need to overcome, this notion of Christianity versus Islam. It’s not that, it doesn’t need to be that.” — Gen. Abizaid

    It may not NEED to be that, but there are many with soapboxes here in the U.S. who WANT it to be that. All those christian soldiers, hiding behind the cross as they march other people’s kids off to war.

  • “There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran,” Abizaid said…

    Good luck with that one, general. You’re right, but The Lobby calls the shots around here, and they say preventing a nuclear Iran is worth thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.

    Of course those lives and dollars are mostly American. But we don’t need to worry about congress pointing that out, because congresscritters who get sideways with The Lobby get unelected. Ask Dick Durbin or better yet ask the Republican Durbin replaced, Paul Findley.

    http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/050704fa_fact

    Here’s what Findley did to piss them off:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Findley#Criticism_of_US-Israel_Relations

  • I have always believed that linking Islam with terror is very stupid from the point of view that we don’t need any more enemies It is so unhelpful to engage in sweeping generalizations. Several years ago I ran into an old friend whom I used to attend church with. As we spoke I used the phrase “right wing Christian wacko” forgetting that she was quite devout. The look on her face spoke volumes because I had really hurt her for no good reason. The only people hurt by such generizations are the moderate mainstream people that we are trying to win over.
    It is a lose-lose situation to say such mean spirited things.

  • I forgot to mention this recent tidbit, quite related to the whole “Islamofascism” framing issue:

    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) went after fellow Democrat Jim Moran of Virginia Tuesday, calling on him to retract his comments about the Israel lobby.

    “His remarks were factually inaccurate and recall an old canard that is not true, that the Jewish community controls the media and the Congress,” Hoyer said at a news conference in the Capitol.

    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/hoyer-takes-aim-at-morans-aipac-comment-2007-09-18.html

    You can see why they’re so pissed when you read what Moran actually said (as opposed to what Hoyer said):

    TIKKUN: What do you think the reasoning is for the Democrats who voted against the amendment requiring that the president get authorization from Congress before attacking Iran?

    MORAN: Well, AIPAC strongly opposed it. In fact, Rep. Murtha, Rep. Obey, and myself wanted it in the supplemental. We had it in and then the leadership had to take it out because AIPAC was having a conference in Washington, and insisted with the leadership and many of the members with whom they have close alliances. Yesterday, AIPAC had an amendment to recommit the whole Armed Services Bill in order to add language requiring America to develop missile defenses jointly with Israel, to share all its missile defense technology with Israel. That passed overwhelmingly. There were only thirty members—that’s less than 10 percent—who voted against sharing all our missile technology with Israel.

    […]

    …Jewish Americans, as a voting bloc and as an influence on American foreign policy, are overwhelmingly opposed to the war. There is no ethnic group as opposed to the war as much as Jewish Americans. But, AIPAC is the most powerful lobby and has pushed this war from the beginning

    Scroll down to the Moran interview, it’s really good stuff

    “Representative Jim Moran on the power of AIPAC, May 2007”
    http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/tik0709/frontpage/israellobby

  • The only way the neocons could live with a nuclear Iran is if they give us all the oil rights up front.

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