About that trip to Bosnia in ’96…

We talked the other day about presidential candidates and foreign policy expertise. There are basically two categories: less experienced candidates who emphasize judgment, vision, and temperament (such as Obama this year, and Bill Clinton in ’92), and more experienced candidates who emphasize expertise, knowledge, and background (such as Joe Biden).

Hillary Clinton has gone to great lengths to insist that she belongs in the latter camp, and emphasizes her foreign policy background shaped by playing key policy roles in specific conflicts: Northern Ireland, Kosovo, Bosnia, and Rawanda.

One of those claims drew unexpected scrutiny yesterday from an unexpected source: Sinbad, the ’90s-era actor/comedian.

Sinbad, along with singer Sheryl Crow, was on that 1996 trip to Bosnia that Clinton has described as a harrowing international experience that makes her tested and ready to answer a 3 a.m. phone call at the White House on day one, a claim for which she’s taking much grief on the campaign trail.

Harrowing? Not that Sinbad recalls. He just remembers it being a USO tour to buck up the troops amid a much worse situation than he had imagined between the Bosnians and Serbs.

In an interview with the Sleuth Monday, he said the “scariest” part of the trip was wondering where he’d eat next. “I think the only ‘red-phone’ moment was: ‘Do we eat here or at the next place.'”

Clinton, during a late December campaign appearance in Iowa, described a hair-raising corkscrew landing in war-torn Bosnia, a trip she took with her then-teenage daughter, Chelsea. “They said there might be sniper fire,” Clinton said. Threat of bullets? Sinbad doesn’t remember that, either.

Clinton has boasted publicly, “We used to say in the White House that if a place is too dangerous, too small or too poor, send the First Lady.” To which Sinbad responded, “What kind of president would say, ‘Hey, man, I can’t go ’cause I might get shot so I’m going to send my wife…oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'”

The Clinton campaign responded quickly, noting a Washington Post story from May 26, 1996, that said, “This trip to Bosnia marks the first time since Roosevelt that a first lady has voyaged to a potential combat zone.”

I don’t doubt the accuracy of the WaPo article in ’96, but the problem continues to be that the Clinton campaign is fundamentally making the wrong argument about Clinton’s strengths as a candidate. They’re still running as Joe Biden, when Clinton’s record — impressive in its own right — is better suited for a different campaign pitch.

Stories like this one seem to be increasingly common.

Sen. Hillary Clinton claims that her experience in dealing with foreign affairs qualifies her to handle a crisis call at 3 a.m. and be commander in chief.

Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign accuses Clinton of exaggerating her foreign affairs experience. It says that nothing in her background shows that she’s more prepared to handle an international crisis than he is.

No question is more central just now to their rivalry for the Democratic presidential nomination. Clinton has said that Obama hasn’t passed the “commander-in-chief test,” but that both she and presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain have.

To bolster the claim, she’s trumpeted her role as first lady in bringing peace to Northern Ireland, helping to open Macedonia’s borders to Kosovo refugees and challenging China on women’s rights, all as proof that she has what it takes to manage a foreign crisis.

Yet while it’s impossible to know how much she conferred privately about such matters with her husband, former President Bill Clinton, when he was in power, public records and interviews with former Clinton administration officials and others strongly suggest that Clinton overstates her role.

Claim by claim, the McClatchy piece seems to debunk several Clinton campaign claims. In one especially embarrassing example, one of the key Irish negotiators last week called Clinton’s description of her role in the process a “wee bit silly.”

It’s probably too late for the campaign to switch gears and change the pitch. And who knows, it’s certainly possible that the Clinton campaign can still use this perception of background to win the Democratic nomination.

I’m worried, though, about how these claims will stand up to scrutiny in August, September, and October.

Hell, I was in a commercial jet doing corkscrew-steep climb repeats in a thunderstorm over Ohare for 45 minutes once.

  • Too late to switch gears in the primary, but they have already chosen their stance for the fight against Obama. Should she win the nomination I guarantee you she will immediately morph into the change candidate running against the old dinosaur, i.e. become Obama lite. Her campaign advisers have made a number of serious missteps but they aren’t stupid enough to keep campaigning as the experienced candidate against someone with far more experience.

  • The Clinton campaign responded quickly, noting a Washington Post story from May 26, 1996, that said, “This trip to Bosnia marks the first time since Roosevelt that a first lady has voyaged to a potential combat zone.”

    “Lady Bird” Johnson might have disagreed

    “Others worried that state leaders could not guarantee the first lady’s safety. Responding to concerns about assassination attempts, Lady Bird said, “I don’t think assassination is part of my destiny.” Still, organizers arranged for a separate engine to precede the Lady Bird Special by 15 minutes to clear the track of potential bombs.”

  • The most dangerous lie she keeps telling is that she can still win this thing. We need to call her out on that and put this to bed, because the Republicans are determined to help her destroy the party. They are going to game this thing, there’s ample proof of that already and they’re just getting started. Hillary simply cannot win, and a huge chunk of her remaining “support” is a bunch of asshole Republicans. (25% of her votes in Mississippi)

    Superdelegates for Obama need to step up and end this.

    NOW.

  • Clinton has boasted publicly, “We used to say in the White House that if a place is too dangerous, too small or too poor, send the First Lady.”

    Clinton actually said that? Bill or Hillary? Before or after Lewinski became public? Do we know the context? Ouch!

  • Her ‘experience’ is crumbling and falling down all around her; it’s nothing but a house of playing cards.

    I honestly want to know, Clinton supporters, what has she done that has so engendered her to you and authenticates her claim to experience?

  • The fact that Sinbad was along for the trip pretty much destroys its credibility as a serious diplomatic mission. Live by the spin, die by the spin.

    As to picking “experience” as a campaign theme, even aside from credibility problems, it’s a lousy way to go. Otherwise we’d have had President Biden and/or President Hatch, and Bill would never have vanquished Bush 41. Even in a normal year, experience rarely wins the presidency, but this year, associating yourself with the current mess (as you must if you want to be seen as some sort of gray eminence) is practically suicidal.

  • This is just the latest smear campaign from Star Search Veterans for Truth. -Grumpy

    Slow clap. Well done. 🙂

  • 35 years of pillow talk with Billy Bozo isn’t experience (well, it is but it’s nothing I’d care to consider in detail).

    She says she did something in Bosnia – the people who were there remember she did nothing.

    She says she did something in Northern Ireland – the people who were there remember she did nothing.

    She says she advocated for Rwanda – even hubby doesn’t remember any pillow talk.

    It’s true – truth does have a “liberal bias” (given that she and Billy Bozo are not now nor were they ever “liberals”).

  • She thinks she can still win, but Wyoming and Mississippi cancelled out her “victory” in Ohio, and Obama comes out of Texas with more delegates than she did.

    I wonder if The Empress has ever heard the term “pyyrhic victory”????

  • I’m worried, though, about how these claims will stand up to scrutiny in August, September, and October.

    CB doesn’t have to worry because Obama is already our nominee. The question is when will the supers wake up and make it official?

  • At this point, they should just take a page from the Lieberman playbook and form the America for Clintons party–because the corrosive attacks on the likely nominee pretty much show that they aren’t loyal Democrats.

  • Wow, nothing she says is truthful. How can it be then, that she and Obama are for all intents and purposes, tied for the nomination to be president of the United States?
    All of those stupid stupid people who have been voting for her should get off the planet and let Obama be president.

  • Hillary Clinton has been trying to claim experience by osmosis… that Bill’s experience as President should count as her experience too, without actually saying it out loud. And to some extent that is a significant part of her appeal: that with Hillary in the White House the US will return to the peace and prosperity of the first Clinton presidency.

    However, the sad reality is that the position of First Lady (or First Spouse) is largely ceremonial and especially thankless (especially for Hillary, who was unfairly vilified for trying to take a more active role in policy). Any close analysis will show that Hillary did not and could not be in a position to make critical foreign policy decisions.

  • I dislike Clinton, Nell, but I wouldn’t say everyone who voted for her is “stupid, stupid.”

  • Frankly, if traveling to Bosnia was as dangerous as Hillary says it was, and she took her teenage daughter with her anyway, I would say that reveals incredibly poor judgement on her part.

  • @15 Nell: I think you are being incredibly unfair to Senator Clinton’s supporters.

    If you talk to people who are Clinton supporters: they remember the 90’s vividly, the right wing smear machine, the impeachment, the multimillion dollar Whitewater investigation over ten thousand dollars in a bad real estate investment. And they want a candidate who will fight, and who will still manage to get things done. Bill Clinton, for all of his faults, proved that he could fight and get things done. Hillary has proved that she can fight. That said, I find her campaign’s appeal to racism and complete disrespect of the Democratic party to be despicable.

    If Senator Obama wants to win over Senator Clinton’s supporters he needs to prove that he has more than just good judgment. He needs to show that he can fight back as well. By taking a measured approach, by showing deference to his opponent by not bringing up Clinton’s supreme negatives, I think he shows a great deal of class. But he isn’t winning over Clinton’s supporters.

  • Somebody said there might be sniper fire,” she said, adding tartly, “I don’t remember anyone offering me tea on the tarmac.” [link]

    That’s true, Hillary, but don’t forget…it was because that grizzled Delta Force of Sinbad, Sheryl Crow and a teenage Chelsea were forced to jettison the tea during your dogfight with the Serbian Air Force…right?

  • How can it be then, that she and Obama are for all intents and purposes, tied for the nomination to be president of the United States? -Nell

    They aren’t in any way tied. He’s insurmountably ahead by over 100 delegates. He’s ahead in committed supers. He’s ahead in popular vote.

    In every measurable way he is winning.

    So claiming that they are tied is disingenuous and wrong.

  • Clinton’s firewall strategy of ignoring the smaller states sure turned out to be dumb. 11 times in a row she lost some delegates that she might have won and then not be so far behind Obama. More brilliant campaigning.

  • The narrative is that they are tied, and given the number of delegates that haven’t been nailed down yet they might as well be. It’s still very much a toss up. While it’s a bit silly that the press can’t seem to recognize that Obama has a serious lead, it’s not ‘disingenuous and wrong’ to talk about them being tied.

  • The narrative is that they are tied… -TheDeadlyShoe

    The narrative only exists when people who blatantly ignore facts repeat it because they want it to be true.

    While it’s a bit silly that the press can’t seem to recognize that Obama has a serious lead, it’s not ‘disingenuous and wrong’ to talk about them being tied. -TheDeadlyShoe

    What Nell wrote and what I responded to had nothing to do with the press.

    If you’re going to make the case that it’s not ‘disingenuous and wrong’ to purport such a story, then, by all means, actually make a case.

    How are they in any way ‘tied?’

    Didn’t we collectively used to get pissed off at Republicans for making up their own ‘reality?’ They had their ‘narratives’ and the press in their back pocket, but aren’t we supposed to be the reality based party?

    So, please, enter some facts into evidence that support the notion that they are tied.

  • ***I’m worried, though, about how these claims will stand up to scrutiny in August, September, and October.***

    The point is, they won’t. Imagine how powerful the swift-boaters will become, once they actually have reasoned, factual truth on their side. We’ll likely be writing a new chapter in American politics—we’ll call it “Klinton’s Keystone Kamikaze Kops.”

  • We talked the other day about presidential candidates and foreign policy expertise. There are basically two categories: less experienced candidates who emphasize judgment, vision, and temperament (such as Obama this year, and Bill Clinton in ‘92), and more experienced candidates who emphasize expertise, knowledge, and background (such as Joe Biden).

    I noticed that your never highlight where Clinton, Obama, and McCain’s Senate voting records are identical, CB. It is instructive to know where their respective records demonstrate that their judgment and experience are similar in those instances (on things like “the war” and executive authority).

    But we’re all high-information voters here who know where the anointed candidate’s Senate voting records are identical. So you don’t have to bother. Thanks.

  • I can’t remember the last claim Clinton made that was founded in fact. I can’t even keep track of all the personalities and temperaments she displays. But the most maddening part is that she’s so transparent with it all — and doesn’t know it. The right would eat her alive and she’d still be revealing new sides of herself, making claims that they could knock down — even if they ran a truthful campaign. The faster she’s off my radar the happier I’ll be.

  • There have been several stories recently which quote David Trimble as denying that Hillary played any important role in the Northern Ireland peace process, claiming she was ‘merely a cheerleader, not a participant.’ Admittedly, I wish they came from more reliable sources than UPI and the Daily Telegraph, but it is something worth looking into. Did Trimble say it? Will he repeat it to a more reputable source. But the stories are out there.

  • Wow. Sinbad actually said something that made me laugh. This really is the craziest primary season ever.

    Is it really too much to expect our politicians to act with some bit of shame?

  • I have lived in The United States for 10 years, and I was a child of civil war in Bosnia, I re-call no sniper fire in Tuzla during March of 96. The fighting have ended in late 95, and besides TUZLA was controled under Bosnian-Muslim Forces almost the whole war…

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