About that vote ‘against funding our troops’…

In the aggressive new McCain campaign ad, the Republican nominee hits Barack Obama on his votes against the Bush administration’s Iraq policy.

“[Obama] voted against funding our troops,” the narrator says, with the words, “Against Troop Funding” appearing on screen, in all caps. “Positions that helped him win his nomination. Now Obama is changing to help himself become president. John McCain has always supported our troops and the surge that’s working.”

Now, we know Obama isn’t “changing” on Iraq at all. In fact, McCain has criticized him for not changing enough, so the campaign and the ad are running contradictory messages.

But the notion that Obama “voted against funding our troops” is likely to become an important conservative talking point, so it’s probably worth taking a moment to consider in more detail.

The Obama campaign responded, “While Barack Obama wants to change American foreign policy to wind down the war in Iraq and address the grave threat posed by a resurgent al Qaeda and Taliban in Afghanistan, John McCain offers this patently misleading negative ad.”

That’s about right, but let’s not lose sight of why it’s misleading.

Last year, the Senate took up a measure to fund the troops in the middle of a war. McCain voted against it, and cheered Bush on when the president vetoed funding for the troops.

[O]n March 29, 2007, McCain himself voted against H.R. 1591, an emergency spending bill that would have funded the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and would have provided more than $1 billion in additional funds to the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Senate passed H.R. 1591 by a margin of 51-47. Once the bill’s conference report was agreed to by the House, the Senate again passed the measure on April 26, 2007, by a vote of 51-46. McCain did not vote on that version of the bill. By contrast, Obama voted for it on both occasions. President Bush vetoed the bill, citing its provision for a timetable for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

Now, Republicans will argue that McCain had to vote against funding for the troops in the middle of a war because he opposed the conditions attached to the bill. That’s true. But Obama, by the same measure, also had to vote against funding for the troops for the same reason — he opposed the lack of conditions attached to the bill, and didn’t want to give Bush a blank check for an indefinite war.

It’s really just a matter of perspective. McCain voted against funding for the troops to support Bush’s policy, and Obama voted against funding for the troops to oppose Bush’s policy. In this sense, McCain’s ad is premised on the notion that voters won’t know or care about the facts.

When Obama cast his vote (along with most Senate Dems), it was the only option available to war opponents to change the administration’s policy. Obama’s position was endorsed by most Americans — polls showed strong support in favor of cutting off funding. McCain, obviously, disagreed.

But before McCain gets too self-righteous about supporting the troops in harm’s way, we might want to consider how McCain felt when Bill Clinton was president and McCain didn’t care for his military policies.

For example, when Republicans didn’t like the conflict in Somalia in 1993, the congressional GOP decided Congress had all kinds of authority to intervene and shape U.S. military policy, whether the president liked it or not. On Oct. 19, 1993, John McCain argued that Congress had the power to force Clinton to begin an “immediate, orderly withdrawal from Somalia.” He added, “[I]f we do not do that and other Americans die, other Americans are wounded, other Americans are captured because we stay too long — longer than necessary — then I would say that the responsibilities for that lie with the Congress of the United States who did not exercise their authority under the Constitution of the United States.”

What’s more, McCain introduced a measure to cut off funding for the troops while they were in harm’s way. He later changed his mind, but McCain nevertheless argues now that anyone who even considers such a move is untrustworthy.

So, what do we have here? The McCain campaign can’t defend its own position on troop benefits, and is blasting Obama for pursuing a military policy option that McCain himself embraced a decade earlier.

Once again, McCain is counting on public ignorance to get him through the campaign.

Does McGrump know what day it is!!!

  • McCain is not only counting on Public ignorance…he’s creating it by confusing the context of the funding votes. My question is …Will anyone hear the response to his ad?

    The goal is to confuse and “mis-inform” the voter as often as possible counting on the press to make sure corrections are unavailable or seldom discussed. and seen by much smaller groups than the original mis-information ad.

    Truth deniers just need talking points. Like people who stick their fingers in their ears to keep from hearing what they don’t want to hear, they willfully avoid anything that disputes their already formed opinion. When your brain is filled with dirty laundry anything that smells clean, stinks.

  • The problem with America today is that we haven’t found a way to fit arguments such as CB presents on a bumper sticker.

  • Well, if we’re looking for votes cast, shorn of their context, perhaps we can put up the grand total for votes McCain has cast against funding for veteran programs. I make it about $800m, but I’d love to see someone put a definitive figure on it.

    I’m sure Senator McCain has perfectly reasonable explanations for doing so.

  • Once again, McCain is counting on public ignorance to get him through the campaign.

    Sounds like a GOP election strategy to me.

  • Well, if we’re looking for votes cast, shorn of their context, perhaps we can put up the grand total for votes McCain has cast against funding for veteran programs.

  • Who hates the troops?

    McLIE

    Who surrounds himself with sycophantic little trolls and web spiders?

    McLIE

    Who hates America even more than Bush?

    McLIE

    And where, oh where, are the bubbas and jeffies who worship McLIE on these issues? Do they fear the wrath of a righteously-angry America? Do they fear that their ability to turn the message in favor of their evil master has lost all potency? Do they fear the mortal sting of the well-honed “Blade of Democracy” coming upon them in their sleep?

    The Right has bullied the Republic long enough—and the defeat they experience on November 4th will be more than just political.

    Much, much more….

  • Watching C-Span with Obama making a presentation for his future presidency was interesting. The thing I noticed was Obama did not seem like he was reading from a teleprompter. And, it was very impressive, penetrating, visionary, complimentary to the world, but not enough condemnation of Bush and Company. For me, Bush policy and legacy wrecked America.

    If Obama comes out straight away to address all of the current grievances many of us express here about the fraud, corruption, and deliberate misinformation about Bush and Company, that is to say investigations “Will happen” to ferrite out and find the truths of the corruption in this period, he has my vote. And hopefully America will vote in a majority Democratic Congress and Senate for open public investigations in the order of a sophisticated Water-gate trail to hold account thousands of perpetrators that will rivet American’s and the World to watch government at its best.

    All the foreign policy Obama is pledging for sounds good. Actually from my view Obama made Bush and McCain seem like twiddle Dee and twiddle Dumb.

    Perhaps the Republicans should accept a complete over haul is likely to happen, but as we all know this thirty percent will not go down with out a fight. For me every time I see McCain or Bush I expect a hook to come out on stage and grab them and pull them off camera, they are so disgusting. Here, Mainstream Media is talking about the coverage Obama is getting, well if the media is really on the Neo-Con side as we all suspect; expect an avalanche of out of context smear. Convention time is getting near and the Vice presidential picks will be in center stage, the fur will fly.

    It’s only a guess on my part; however, an epiphany among much first line Journalist is likely to occur. All, running counter productive to the Neo-Con agenda. Mainstream Media likely see their historical perspective in this Bush era as complicit to the biggest fraud and profiteering within corporate collective that ever skunked an American social period. I say this after listening to hate radio WIND Bloomberg hour, or ABC Murdock Wall Street Journal report. Michael Medved cut off an inquiry about the stations mission to support McCain. It was very funny listening to Medved wiggle away from the questions. Rush Limbaugh has the same problems more regularly. One would have a good belly laugh when Michael Savage talked about the Arabs that High-Jacked the air planes that struck the twin towers actually could be considered flying concentration camps? Did anyone hear that one? Perhaps I got it wrong I almost ran off the high way when I heard it.

    Savage has a way of twisting Euclidean space, introducing to America the flying Gitmo family. The Bin laden’s. Actually the first real surge of the of the Iraq war is when the Bin laden family, about one hundred and forty eight family members magically flew out of Florida exactly the days after the Twin Towers went down. A master piece of secret record scrubbing by the Jeb Jabber of honest and fair election chit shit.

  • McCain is really becoming tiresome, every day he whines about Senator Obama, I wish someone would tell him he should be telling people what he would do for the economy,jobs, saving social security (of which he is a beneficiary) and so on, he looks smaller and more spiteful every day. I do not know of any position he has not changed his mind on.He does keep up with the republican custom of attacking his opponent for everything he himself is guilty of.

  • Tell all Republicans you know you are voting for Bob Barr – watch apoplexy in the making! -Kevo

  • For me every time I see McCain or Bush I expect a hook to come out on stage and grab them and pull them off camera, they are so disgusting.

    Harpoons. Bush and McCain can both dress up like Ahab, pretend the other is the great white wail (they’re both a couple of spoiled-brat whiners, don’t you know), and they can do the country an incredible favor by harpooning each other. Then they can do that famous Gregory Peck maneuver, and “wave each other down to Davey Jones….”

    Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghh!!!

  • McSame and der Boosh have just been cornered by the brilliant 3-D real-time chess champion, Barack Obama, with a little help from the Iraqi puppet regime leader, Maliki. Obama is now the acknowledged leader on foreign policy in the USA, and McSame and der Boosh are reluctantly dragging themselves in his direction… Both McSame and der Boosh are dumbfounded, pun intended… Wot happened?

  • I think the McCain campaign in general, and McCain specifically, don’t have a clue about reality, and when you think about it it relieves them of thinking about the past: just move forward with whatever seems to work. This is how I update my computers: wait ’til they fail, then just replace them, several weeks or months later I’ll try to harvest some old, useful information off the old hard drive.

    Anyway, keep this secret: Maliki is Muslim.

  • I’m sorry (not really) but these NeoCon losers making this stuff up on the fly is getting REAL boring… Any 4 year old could do this… I thought these folks were suppose to be pros??
    LOL!
    If it’s Saturday – the flavor must be RASPBERRY! (KoolAide)….

  • Apologies for hijacking this thread for an OT, but some of you have enjoyed the reports from the south-west VA battleground and there’s no “open vein” on weekends…

    Singing the Blues in the Red Zone — day 3 (and last)

    I didn’t have to open up today; today, the last day of the fair, we had the booth open at noon, so, arriving at 5PM, I was the third shift. And found out that I was “it”. Nobody else was there — not Brad (the young Obama rep), not Rene and not Rene’s cute as a button daughter who, on Thursday, was wearing the most delightful T-shirt. It said, on front: “Love a Democrat”. And, on the back: “because nobody’s ever wanted a piece of elephant”. But not today, today, it was just me and my fractured (spoken) English…

    Thankfully — though surprisingly, for a Saturday — there was a bit less traffic at the fair than either on Thursday or yesterday, so I managed. And I “clocked” a few memorable moments all the same.

    A young-ish (early 30ties, maybe) man comes up. Big, beefy, crew-cut… Uh-oh; another turkey hunter in search of terrists to bag? And me without Rene to help fend him off?

    But, as soon as he opens his mouth and asks: “This the new man?” I know it can’t be; his accent is strange, but not redneck strange, though I cannot place it. I smile and say “Yes, it is.” “African?” the man asks, which raises my hackles again (African is not American and we’ve heard too much about Obama not being American enough). “Does it bother you?” I ask. “Yah” he says. “This man bother me” and points to the bumper sticker from MoveOn (alas, a sample only; we could have used more of them), which says: “Bush’s Third Term; John McCain”. “I watch. This man wins, everything is expensive in the whole world. The African, he is OK. Our president first African president, very good”

    Suddenly, all three numbers on the fruit machine align perfectly and I get a clue. “Mandela?” I ask. “You’re from South Africa?” “Yah” comes the answer. Obviously, the man’s first language isn’t English but Afrikaans, hence the strange accent. So, just to be friendly, I say “He was 90yrs old the other day, wasn’t he?” The man beams “Yah. You heard? In America? Mandela 90yrs old, very good. Nobel peace.” I agree and don’t mention that Mandela, 90yrs old and a Nobel Peace Prize winner (and altogether very good) is still on US’s terrorist, “do not admit, do not fly”, list. I may not be running for president, but I know enough not to create an international incident. Still… With that humiliation sharp in my mind, I want to establish that US isn’t the only country with problems, so I say “Mandela was, indeed, a very good president, but your current one not so much”. The man’s face clouds over. “The now president not very good. And the next one very bad… He like this one (the finger points, again, to McCain’s name on the bumper sticker). He will steal the country”. We ponder the weight of our miseries in silence for a minute, then the man says “You elect this one (pointing to Obama’s picture on a brochure). Now, I will walk around.” He bows and leaves.

    The next visitor — whose abundance of tattoos compensates for the lack of several front teeth — asks if he can register to vote here (we have a sign, advertising the service). “Haven’t voted in 12 yrs” he says. “But this year… I like this guy. And I like Warner” My “electoral officer” training kicks in and I confirm that, indeed, he needs to re-register (2 missed presidential elections and you’re off the rolls). I hand him the registration form, which includes the addresses and phone numbers for the registrars (he’s from VA, but not local). I’m only half-way through my musings about not judging a book by its cover, when another heavily tattooed (and pierced all over) youth (mid 20ties) comes up asking for materials on our district candidate for the House.”Are you registered to vote?” I ask.”Oh, yeah” he says. “Would you like to put your name on the list, for updates on Democratic events?” “Sure”. He writes down his name, address, e-address and, after a moment’s hesitation, ticks off the box for “would you be willing to volunteer”. Hallelujah! I tell him — as I tell everyone who’s local — that our headquarters will open on Aug 15 and we’ll have more “stuff” then (we’re woefully under-equipped, I feel; we ran out of Warner shirt stickers on Thursday).

    A young woman — also mid 20ties — confides: “I have never voted, actually, but, this year, I’m kinda excited…” She leaves with a voter registration form.

    A mid-thirties man swaggers in and sneers: “See?” he says pointing to a carousel across and catty-corner from where we are “all elephants. Not a single donkey. It’s an elephant year”. While I appreciate his innate good manners in not using the word “ass” in mixed company (even if the company is a Democrat), I will not stand for the horse puckey. So I bare my canines in the best imitation of a smile and say “Look again. These aren’t elephants. They’re all *Dumbos*!”. He beats a hasty retreat, speechless at my lack of Southern manners.

    “I just moved here from California” another young man says. “I’m already registered to vote here, but I need some info on VA politics… How do you pronounce the name of the incumbent for the House? Is it Good latte?” I can’t resist; “The Starbucks candidate?” I quip. “Nope; here, it’s good-lat”. But “good latte” (and ensuing “elitist” connotation) might be something to think about; I’ll have to bring it up to our chairman’s attention…

    I spend some time idly watching the humanity walk, run and waddle past, when “What’s a cute little thing like you doing, voting for a Democrat?” brings me down to earth with a thump. True, I am small — 5’2″, 100lb — but, “cute”??? At my age??? What’s more, the man in front of me can’t be a day older than I am, and should know better than that. “Ignore the non-essentials and answer the question” I sternly tell myself and proceed to follow my own advice.

    “We don’t have much choice, do we? After the past 8 yrs, we can’t afford another 4 of the same”. He’s not convinced. “But”, he says, “what about security? He (points at Obama brochure) doesn’t have any foreign experience”. Thank goodness for NYT; only yesterday, it had an article on *that*, and I still remember it. “He has 300 of the best brains in the country, advising him. People from the first Bush administration (don’t know the man’s political orientation; better tread gently. But, Repubs liked Bush 41, didn’t they?) and from the Clinton administration (lets hope he doesn’t hate Clinton). He’s smart; he learns fast. We’re as safe with him as we would be with McCain (no negative campaigning; stay positive), I think”

    “Good point, good point” says the man but, before I exhale in relief, he says: “what about his religion? I’ve heard…” he seems to be too embarrassed to even finish the sentence. “He’s a Christian” I say. “That Reverend Wright?” “Yeah. And tell you the truth, I don’t even know what kind of Christian it is. In my country, everyone was Catholic but here, y’all have so many different kinds of Christian, I can’t make head nor tail of them”. “You’re right”, he says “it’s not for us to judge; God will judge”. Well… That wasn’t what I was saying but I’m not about to contradict him, si I nod, wisely.

    He changes tack. “But, he’s for abortion, isn’t he?” Jesus save me…. WTF is the standard talking point? I know it’s “Rare, something and safe”, but, to save my life, I can’t remember what the “something” is… Damn Rene to hell for not showing up; she’d have known…

    “Nobody’s *for* abortion” I start, tentatively. “but, it should be an option, even if as the last resort”. He nods, so I go full bore (hey, he thought I was cute? I can still remember “cute”), lean towards him and, maintaining eye contact, say: “you and I can remember when we were young and how it was; couldn’t keep us from messing around”. The nods are coming fast and furious, so I continue: “the trick is to teach them how to avoid pregnancy. You have to educate them. Everything. You teach them not to, but you have to be realistic so you tech them contraception as well. And if that doesn’t work… There are times, where abortion is the only answer. Sometimes, you have to save the mother’s life. There are other times, as well”

    “Rape?” he says. “Rape” I concur. “And incest”, I add. He looks like he isn’t sure what “incest” means, so I tell him a story which has haunted me for 46yrs… that of my school friend who got pregnant at 12. Abortion was legal in Poland, but you had to be 18 to make the decision. Her parents decided she shouldn’t have it, for religious reasons.

    So there she was: kicked out of school, friendless (I think I was the only kid whose parents allowed contact with that “whore of Babylon”). The father of her child — her own brother — was in jail (statutory rape) and her parents blamed her for it. I stuck it out for a little over a year, coming daily to study together (she still had to pass exams) but, once I moved to highschool and made new friends, I dropped her; the whole situation made me too uncomfortable. I ran into her in the street, while on a visit “back home”, when we were both 35. My son was 8yrs old, her Adam (some priests in Poland will only name illegitimate children Adam or Eve) was 22. She never married, she never had any more children, all her love was was concentrated on a pair of pony-sized dogs…

    The man got the point; “Her life was ruined” he said. “How very sad”. He put an Obama sticker on his shirt, collected some brochures, shook my hand, thanked me and, with the final “you made some very good points. Something to think about”, left. Afterwards, as I was trying to calm down, I wondered whether he was a true undecided, or whether he came for “ammunition” he could use in conversations with other “low information voters”…

    By 19:45, me and my fractured English were joined by my loudly objecting bladder; I’m not used to talking much, so sipped my watered down juice almost constantly to soothe my throat, sore from overexposure. As a result, a “I’ll be coming to W&L in the Fall; should I de-register in Florida and re-register in Virginia?” got a bit of a short shrift — the local registrar’s phone number and “I’m sure people at W&L will know; they have to deal with it regularly” as an answer. Though I managed to show *some* excitement at his excitement at becoming a *university* student.

    Rene, husband in tow, showed up at 20:00 and was appalled to find out that I had been all alone for 3 hrs; she figured others (including her daughter) would show up, so took a breather. We dismantled and packed up the whole circus in less than half an hour (*after* I “leaked a drop”) and promised to keep in touch. I’ll make sure we will; the experience has confirmed my belief that, living in my “lace tower” is too isolating; I need to “get out more”. Preferably, into the “guns and God” county territory…

  • I’d just like to remind those here that before and after the 2006 election, conservative pundits like George F Will, Pat Bucannan and the Prince of Darkness (Novak) all where begging and pleading and hoping that a Democratic Congress would cut funding for the war in Iraq and get us out of there. They had no faith in the mission (Buchannan never did, to his credit) and they desperately wanted the Democrats to end it…
    … so that a new generation of conservative pundits like Mike Gersen could blame the Democrats for losing another war.

    Attacking Obama for his vote is just a lesser benefit.

  • Steve, this is something that could go on the flip-flop list: McCain was for Congressional oversight of military spending before he was against it.

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