According to Bush, to ‘talk’ is to ’embrace’

At yesterday’s White House press conference, a reporter asked the president about Barack Obama’s position that the United States should be willing, after careful diplomatic legwork, to talk to our international rivals.

Q: [A]s President, you have obviously considered and rejected this approach. And I’m wondering if you can give us a little insight into your thinking about this, and just explain to the American people what is lost by talking with those when we disagree?

BUSH: What’s lost by embracing a tyrant who puts his people in prison because of their political beliefs? What’s lost is it will send the wrong message. It will send a discouraging message to those who wonder whether America will continue to work for the freedom of prisoners. It will give great status to those who have suppressed human rights and human dignity.

When the reporter followed up, and suggested that a president could talk to a foreign leader without “embracing” him or her, Bush responded, “Well, talking to him is embracing.” He went on to clarify that “having your picture taken with a tyrant … lends the status of the office and the status of our country to him.”

Listening to this live, my very first thought was the image of Reagan dispatching Donald Rumsfeld to have his picture taken with Saddam Hussein after he’d used chemical weapons on his own people. By Bush’s logic, Reagan “embraced” Saddam and lent Saddam the stature of the United States.

My second thought was specifically about U.S. policy towards Cuba, and how Bush’s approach managed to be the only policy considered by the last half-century of presidents. We sent the “right message,” but managed to do absolutely nothing to actually improve matters for the Cuban people.

And my third thought was, “Hasn’t Bush spent more than a little time of his own with leaders who imprison their political enemies?”

Ezra had a good item on this.

[I]f some other enterprising blogger wants to collect pictures of George W. Bush meeting with leaders “who put [their] people in prison because of their political beliefs,” I’ll certainly link to it. The idea that Bush — who regularly hangs out with, and thus “lends the status of the office and the status of our country” to the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Russia, China, and Egypt — would ever try and take a strong, principled stand against meeting with, much less supporting, repressive autocrats…well, it’s what my grandmother would call chutzpah, and what the rest of us would call “nonsense on stilts.” It’s like Ike Turner filming a PSA on domestic violence, and when questioned, telling the reporter that he only does it sometimes.

Yglesias added:

Is it a good thing that the people of China and Russia and Saudi Arabia are, like the people of Cuba and Syria and Iran, ruled by dictators? Of course not. And if the lessons of history indicated that some kind of “no meetings ever” policy caused those regimes to melt and transform into wholesome democracies, then we wouldn’t be having this debate.

But things don’t work like that, and in the world as it is it’s hardly practical to eschew all meetings with everyone whose political system you don’t approve on. The question is, thus, whether or not this posture of creating a mostly arbitrary class of “bad guy” that we’re going to take down with our awesome powers of snubbing accomplishes anything meaningful. Obama’s contention is “no.” Bush’s contention is “yes” but he has absolutely nothing to show for it.

Quite right. I’d just add that Bush’s criticism of Obama’s approach is quite the political gift to the Democratic frontrunner. Americans are not only opposed to Bush’s Iraq policy, but generally disapprove of our diplomatic failures and the deterioration of our global standing. For the president to publicly denounce Obama’s beliefs about diplomacy only reinforces the belief that Obama is probably on the right track.

Come on folks. It’s a Global War On a Psychological State. Sometimes you have to psyche out your adversaries, real or imagined, by not talking to them.

  • What’s lost by embracing a tyrant who puts his people in prison because of their political beliefs.

    OMG is this rich! Siegleman anyone?

    And Bush could never embrace talking to anyone because he has no ability to speak.

  • It was bad enough for Bush to screw up on word useage. Predictable but bad. What was far worse was Bush’s childish thumping on the podium when he was making a point about the FISA legislation and the Protect America Act extension. Talk about temper tantrums. It’s too bad the transcript doesn’t reflect that. And frankly his idea about attending the China Olympics given Darfur and Burma just because he loves a good sporting event sounds suspiciously like Marie Antoinette’s “let them eat cake.” The privileged few get to do. The rest of us get to pay for them to go. Gah! Peace.

  • Talking = Embracing? Sure, when it’s bush “talking” with Saudi Prince Bandar “Bush”. You can’t tell me they only hold hands.

  • MsJoanne #2 says it well.

    My first thought was that Bush the kettle was calling other pots black! and I laughed…guess it wasn’t meant to be self deprecating humor.

  • Man, I am so looking forward to the day when we can load this hypocritical shit head into his Propoganda Catapult and launch his smirking arse the fuck out of here. Talk = Embrace and Embrace = Bad, but this is OKIYAR!

    And yeah, I know this is a customary greeting but can you imagine what would happen if Obama were photographed kissing any male? OMG, Bambi is uh f^g!!

    Gah. I just wish there was a way to send all of the BushBots to Paraguay where they could continue to worship Dear Leader.

  • Yeah. It’s so much better to “send the message” that the US is populated by lunatics who shoot first and never get around to asking questions. It’s so much better to “send the message” that we’re the petulant parent that sits silently at the dinner table, eats all the food and swats at the children with a wooden spoon when they make a peep [not autobiographical]. It’s so much better to “send the message” that the US is a flailing, stubborn behemoth that cannot be reasoned with. It’s so much better to “send the message” that the people of the US don’t see any point in public discourse, but rather believe that the ONLY WAY IS OUR WAY. It’s so much better to “send the message” that we will gladly spend a trillion dollars in ammunition to change a regime, but won’t think of placing a fifty cent phone call to talk it out.

    So basically what Bush is saying is that talk equals surrender.

    This is compassionate conservatism. And this is why we are the most reviled nation on earth. Because our president is an asshole. Plain and simple.

  • I’m going to hit ye ‘ol Google image search real quick. Not sure if the post will get through the CB spam filter or not, but just wanted to give a heads up.

    Of course, I also now wish I still had a political blog so I could post them there …

  • BUSH: What’s lost by embracing a tyrant who puts his people in prison because of their political beliefs?

    Given what happened to former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman, does this mean we should not be embracing Bush?

  • Let’s see if this works:

    Bush and Putin (who’s had journalists killed and is rigging an election):

    Link

    Bush and Musharraf

    Link

    Bush with the Saudi prince holding hand not once:

    Link

    But twice:

    Link

    Bush and Karimov (leader of Uzbekistan):

    Link

    Here’s Bush with two folks who have had political opponents silenced and even killed:

    Link

    And, just for a reminder, Rummy and Saddam:

    Link

    So … any chance of him shutting the holy hell up since he seems to love talking to tyrants who imprison political opposition?

  • Orange #6, what the hell you got against Paraguay? We’re the numb nuts that elected this Bozo. First as governor of Texas and then as president of USA – twice. Or so we are supposed to believe. I personally would like to see us clean up our own mess. Grow some cajoles and impeach the ba$tards. And only then turn them over to the Hague.

  • Talking = Embracing

    Your all making too much of this – after all – who can blame dur chimpfuhrer to seeing it this way, especially after all the deep throat kissing and hugging with JOE LIEBERMAN!

    In his eye – talking and embracing his male lovers are one in the same – what are you all, anti-gay?

  • “having your picture taken with a tyrant … lends the status of the office and the status of our country to him.”

    This is the sentence that made my ears ring. Does Bush even realize the difference between diplomacy and a photo op?

  • Bush: “Well, talking to him is embracing”
    Hillary: “that would give dictators in those countries a propaganda victory”

    vs

    Obama: “I’m not afraid of losing the PR war to dictators”

  • Bush’s lieutenant Karl Rove and Alabama Gov. Riley colluded to imprison Riley’s political opponent, former Alabama Governer Don Siegelman, for the crime of being a popular and successful Democrat in a corrupt Republican-dominated state.

    No need to look at Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc.
    We have our own home-grown totalitarian government.

    So my take-away from all this is that Bush refrains from talking to himself or Karl Rove because that would be tantamount to embracing himself. Or Karl Rove.

  • talk = embrace?

    that explains a lot of those restraining orders against me in college. . .

    but who cares about talk — did Bush win the super duper staredown against the bad guys? can he out thumb wrestle ’em?

  • You guys are seeing this all wrong. Bush understands that EVERYONE wants to meet the president. Even if you don’t like him, it’s just a cool thing to get to tell people; like meeting a celebrity. And so Bush just thinks we should take advantage of that by holding out that kind of thing as a special reward. Sort of like “Be nice to your people and you get to meet the president” kind of thing.

    And as we all know, it’s worked out to be a stunning success. All the evil dictators of the world have changed their ways in order to meet Bush and now the world’s a peaceful place. Thanks George W, for using your rockstar status for good instead of evil.

  • Bush pounding on his podium today was one of the most childish displays of temper I have ever whitnessed from an American president, including Bill Clinton’s boney finger pointing at us denying “sexual relations’ with Monica. Bush’s childish tantrums are embarassing and potentially very dangerous.

  • Sweet Jebus, if/when he gets away with this, if that isn’t proof that the media sucks ass, I don’t know what is.

    Would it kill them to show a picture of Bush with his friends the Saudis, who routinely jail people for political reasons and totally suppress all religious freedom, who torture and execute women if they act like human beings instead of cattle, who are actively working to exacerbate the climate crisis, which will probably kill more people than Hitler ever dreamed of killing?

    Bush doesn’t just talk to dictators, he doesn’t just embrace them, he kisses them and holds their hands. But of course the media is too busy helping Bush catapult his propaganda to ever show what a hypocrite he is.

  • Gracious at #20: It did look childish.

    When I saw Bush pounding the podium, I wondered for an instant if he was making a lame (and very bad) attempt to underscore his talking points in a way similar to John F. Kennedy.

    And Danp at #15: Right on! You distilled the situation down to its unfortunate essence.

  • This statement from the Bush Q&A is too rich…

    I just remind people that the decisions of the U.S. President to have discussions with certain international figures can be extremely counterproductive. It can send chilling signals and messages to our allies; it can send confusion about our foreign policy; it discourages reformers inside their own country.

    Counterproductive? Send chilling signals? Send confusion about our foreign policy? No one has done those things better than Bush. The whole world thinks we’re nuts for giving him a second term, and our reputation is in the toilet. Hell, it’d almost be worth getting on his enemy list just to keep him at a distance.

  • Don’t get me started on how that pussy Reagan embraced Gorby.

    Or when that wuss Nixon cozied up to Breznhev AND Mao.

    Appeasers, one and all.

  • Even better than that, if you look at his answer in the context of the question itself, you will also notice that he actually contradicts himself, within the same press conference. He argues one way with Cuba, and then the opposite side with China.

    It was actually pretty comical to see. Here’s the video of that portion of the press conference:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEWLATthCqY

  • Here is something you who are spiritually wise need to ponder!; because this help explains and give a little bit more meaning to what the May 15th Prophecy have been saying all along about President Bush

    In the Article “According to Bush, to ‘talk’ is to ‘embrace” we get more confirmation of the description used by God Prophet Habakkuk when he continues his description of President Bush that he began in the 5th verse and continues to this 10th verse

    Habakkuk 2:10

    Here is a list (from Blue Letter Bible of some of the different translations of this verse that perfectly describes President Bush the man and his policy)

    But first let take a look at the key point in the “According to Bush, to ‘talk’ is to ‘embrace” “ “article

    “When the reporter followed up, and suggested that a president could talk to a foreign leader without “embracing” him or her, Bush responded, “Well, talking to him is embracing.”

    Now a look at Habakkuk 2:10 description with the many different translation
    http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/versions.pl?book=Hab&chapter=2&verse=10&version=KJV#10

    Available Translations and Versions for Hab 2:10
    KJV Thou hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned [against] thy soul. King James Version 1611, 1769

    NKJV You give shameful counsel to your house,Cutting off many peoples,And sin against your soul.New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson

    NLT But by the murders you committed, you have shamed your name and forfeited your lives. New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust

    NIV You have plotted the ruin of many peoples,shaming your own house and forfeiting your life.New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society

    ESV “You have devised shame for your houseby cutting off many peoples;you have forfeited your life.The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles

    RVR Tomaste consejo vergonzoso para tu casa, asolaste muchos pueblos, y has pecado contra tu vida. Reina-Valera copyright © 1960 Sociedades Bíblicas en América Latina; copyright © renewed 1988 United Bible Societies.

    NASB “You have devised a shameful thing for your house By cutting off many peoples; So you are sinning against yourself. New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation

    RSV You have devised shame to your house by cutting off many peoples; you have forfeited your life. Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.

    ASV Thou hast devised shame to thy house, by cutting off many peoples, and hast sinned against thy soul. American Standard Version 1901 Info

    Young Thou hast counselled a shameful thing to thy house, To cut off many peoples, and sinful [is] thy soul. Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info

    Darby Thou hast devised shame to thy house, by cutting off many peoples, and hast sinned against thine own soul. J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info

    Webster Thou hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned [against] thy soul. Noah Webster Version 1833 Info

    HNV You have devised shame to your house, by cutting off many peoples, and have sinned against your soul. Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info

    For More about President Bush and the May 15th Prophecy go
    http://lastdaywatchers.blogspot.com

  • “What’s lost is it will send the wrong message. It will send a discouraging message to those who wonder whether America will continue to work for the freedom of prisoners. It will give great status to those who have suppressed human rights and human dignity.”

    This statement could just as well have been said by someone from Amnesty International speaking about why he wouldn’t countenance Bush about Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Chilling. The shoe goes just as easily on the other foot.

  • beep52, @23

    You should have included the last one (it discourages reformers inside their own country) as well. It was only *after* Bush began his “axis of evil” blather, that Iran clamped really hard on opposition…

  • Libra: Right you are… my mind went blank on that one. Happening with increasing frequency these days…

  • Orange #6, what the hell you got against Paraguay? We’re the numb nuts that elected this Bozo. First as governor of Texas and then as president of USA – twice.

    Uh … there is a rumour Bush has purchased a lot of land there. The joke is it’s because he plans to move in order to avoid prosecution. I thought everyone knew that one. But I agree with you.

  • Speaking of soon-to-be-seeking-exile members of the current administration,

    I wonder if Halliburton will have Cheney’s Dubai-based island fortress (complete with his Blackwater army) finished by next January.

    He might have to crash on King Abdullah’s couch until its done.

  • Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter and Reagan all “embraced” our worst enemies of their time — the heads of the USSR, a country that had thousands of nukes aimed at us. It used to be thought a good idea to talk with our enemies. Oh yeah, then there was that thing of Nixon going to China…

  • Good for you, Mark. I was thinking of Putin, and I wish some reporter had brought him up.

    And how about China? I don’t know if GWB himself has ever talked to the Chinese leaders, but how many Republicans want to go back to the pre-Nixon days of not recognizing Red China?

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