After a successful international trip, Obama says, ‘We don’t buy our own hype’

It’s hard to imagine how Barack Obama’s week-long international excursion could have gone much better. But as Obama heads home, there are a handful of questions at the fore: Did the trip help? Do voters care? Will the effects of the trip linger?

The LA Times’ report notes that Obama “conquered” the Middle East and Europe, but he returns “to face a more challenging battleground: middle America.” The WaPo report struck a similar note, describing the excursion as “a clear success, with meticulously planned and deftly executed events designed to beam back images to the United States of a politician comfortable on the world stage. What isn’t measurable is whether it worked.”

Obama seems all too aware of the political considerations.

“In terms of raw politics, in the short-term there’s just as much downside as upside to a trip like this, even when it’s well executed,” Mr. Obama said in an interview as he flew here from Paris on the final leg of his trip. “People at home are worried about gas prices, they’re worried about mortgage foreclosures — and for a week they’re seeing me traipse around the world? It’s easy to paint that as somehow being removed from people’s day-to-day problems.”

Leaning forward in his chair aboard a campaign plane freshly emblazoned with his logo, he added, “We thought it was worth the risk.”

In many ways, as his journey ended here on Saturday, the answer to that question may prove crucial in gauging what effect, if any, his ambitious overseas trip will have in the final months of the presidential race on the people who will decide the election. […]

The quandary for Mr. Obama is that while his trip clearly presented an opportunity for him — even many Republicans conceded that he seized it masterfully with eight days of appearances in troubled lands, meetings with foreign leaders and visits to soldiers — it also fueled the questions his critics have used to try to undercut him: whether he is arrogant and taking his election for granted.

There is simply no reason in the world to think that’s true. None. “We don’t buy our own hype,” Obama told the NYT. “We’re always looking around the corner.”

“We’re in a very tight race, despite having a week of great press and John McCain having had a week of not-so-great press,” Mr. Obama said in the interview. “If that doesn’t keep you on your toes, I don’t know what will.” […]

Even though Mr. Obama’s campaign intends to shelve his experiences abroad for now — the urgent matter at hand this week are trips to Iowa and Missouri, Florida and Texas — the worldly images are precisely what Mr. Obama hopes voters will begin internalizing in the coming months.

“Even if the economy ends up being the dominant issue in the election,” he said, “when people go to the polling place in November, for them to have in the back of their mind, all right, here’s what it looks like for Obama to be in discussions with other heads of state.” […]

Asked on Saturday about his political fortunes, he said, “I wouldn’t even be surprised if in some polls we saw a little bit of a dip because we’ve been out of the country for a week.”

Obama added, “How do I avoid looking presumptuous?”

I’ve been pondering the same thing. The trip was going to face a negative spin, no matter what. If he speaks too much, he’s arrogant; if he speaks too little, he’s reclusive. If he visits with too many troops, he’s exploitative; too few and he’s unpatriotic. If he’s gone too long, he’s shirking Americans; if he’s not gone long enough, he’s disinterested in foreign affairs. If the trip is deemed a success, he’s being presumptuous; if it’s a failure, he’s failed a presidential test.

Oddly enough, when McCain visited multiple foreign countries on multiple continents earlier in the summer, there was no such pressure.

Regardless, it’s hard to see the week as anything but a sterling success, at least in the short term. As for the long term, I think Obama’s remarks to the NYT sound about right: if there public doubts about Obama being able to lead on the global stage, this week should help ease those fears moving forward.

the fact that this race is STILL this close fills me with dread. I suspect numbers will improve, & I really await the debates with baited breath.

  • The reason the race is “close” is because it has to be seen as plausible for Diebold to close the deal.

    Even in a very red community, I don’t know a single person who is not fed up with the way things are going these days. But dollars for donuts, come November I fully expect this area to “vote” for McCain.

  • Well that good to hear Senator Obama saying that because on Faux New Sunday right now their trotting out all the polls showing those “dips”

    Also, Senator McCaskill did alright as far as holding her own against Wallace and the other republican senator, except that when he brought up the talking point about Obama not holding any hearings on Afghanistan, she should have thrown in with her answer the fact that McCain hadn’t been to 6 hearings on Afghanistan that his committee held.

  • As people keep noting, this election is about Obama – is he up to it? McCain is the standard aging whiteboy – Obama’s the one unlike any who have come before him in his person. This is the same kind of tst faced by John Kennedy in 1960 as a Catholic, Franklin Roosevelt in 1932 as a Democrat and a polio victim, and Abraham Lincoln as a Republican abolitionist in 1860. Since Obama fits in this list, I think he’s going to pass, too.

  • Jeez. Stop worrying about polling so much. Polling at this stage of a campaign is nearly meaningless. Dukakis was up by 18 during the summer of ’88, while Reagan trailed Carter all the way up to election day.

    A couple of points to bear in mind:

    • Nearly 40% of the electorate would vote for Bozo the Clown if he had an R after his name. Even Walter Mondale, who lost 49 states, got 40%. This election, like all modern elections, will be be won or lost by single digits.

    • Despite what you’d think from the breathless coverage it gets, the presidential “horse race” is an irrelevant illusion. The incidents that happen during the campaigns have little effect on the outcome. How do we know this? Because popular vote outcomes can be correctly predicted up to a year in advance.

    For those fretting about the outcome this cycle, I strongly suggest you have a look at the above link. It is a short introduction to Allan Lichtman’s Keys system for predicting presidential outcomes:

    The Keys are a historically based prediction system that I developed in collaboration with Russian scientist Volodia Keilis-Borok, an authority on the mathematics of prediction models. The Keys retrospectively account for the popular vote winners of every presidential election from 1860 through 1980 and prospectively forecast the winners of all six presidential elections from 1984 through 2004. The Keys predicted George W. Bush’s re-election in April 2003, well ahead of any other scientific prediction model.

    The most interesting thing about the Keys system, to me anyway, is not its predictive abilities, but instead is the light it sheds on presidential electoral dynamics. The nickel version is that voters make a simple binary choice: either to keep the current party in power or dump them for the opposing party. And they decide to do this based on their perception of how well the incumbent party has performed in office (the Keys measure this through a series of yes-no questions which, by the way, include NO polling data). Bush’s disastrous tenure ensures that McCain will NOT be elected. Which is as it should be.

    So stop worrying so much about the election. If you have to worry, worry about helping Obama govern after he gets in. That will likely be a much more challenging thing than just beating McCain.

  • The most telling image for me from Obama’s trip abroad was one from Germany. An American politician addressing a crowd estimated at 200,000 waving American flags is not something I thought I would ever see. It gives one hope after the nightmare of the Bush administration.

  • The article summed it up perfectly: Obama is damned not matter what he does do, and damned no matter what he doesn’t do.

    McCain, gaffing his way through day after day to ever diminshing crowds, is somehow exempt not only from the hypocritical hyper-judgementalism the media is being spoon fed from the GOP and passing on to the country as if it were somehow “news”, he is also apparently exempt from any in-depth examination of his very lengthly record.

    McCain & the GOP accuse Obama of being against the troops because he didn’t stop at Landstuhl, but McCain gets a pass even though he’s voted against the troops at every opportunity? And the press doesn’t bother questioning the connection between the Pentagon’s last minute decision to not allow Obama to visit the wounded troops, even though the reason given and the timing are straight out of the GOP’s dirty bag of tricks?

    The “reason” given was that Obama was with campaign and not Senate staff, and therefore the trip was political and the troops could not be used for political exploitation. Wouldn’t that have been a good time for the media to cue every single Bush/McCain use of our troops as backdrops for their never-ending political campaigns, including McCain’s infamous walk through the “safety” of Bagdhad, where hundreds of troops, including helicopters, were put in harm’s way in a combat zone to make a candidate look presidential?

    But, even so, if Obama had had Senate staff with him, then he would have been damned for taking his Senate staff on a campaign trip, since they are not allowed to mix campaign work and Senate work, in spite of the fact that the Bush Administration has been doing it with impunity for years.

    Until this disingenuous hypocrisy is called out for what it is, we will continue to hear nothing but how Obama is wrong for doing whatever he does.

    I know that 23% of the voting population still thinks Bush is the Second Coming, and they will vote for McCain just because he’s Republican. But there are a hell of a lot more of us who can’t believe they’re still getting away with manipulating and lying to us at every turn with the willing help of the mainstream media.

    This is why the public is so hungry for Obama. We’re through with being lied to and manipulated just so the same tired crew of old, rich, white men can stay in power at our expense.

    The GOP tries to say that Obama is scary because he’s an unknown. That’s a far better risk than staying with the liars and criminals we know.

  • CB: …if there were any public doubts about Obama being able to lead on the global stage, this week should help ease those fears moving forward.

    Sotto voce.
    This doesn’t go near far enough and I suspect you know it.

    Obama has shown that he is absolutely marvelous at restoring the ‘American brand.’ He creates positive buzz for all things American again. He excites foreigners to the prospect of American leadership.

    If I was a CEO of an American corporation that markets overseas, he’d be the one I want to see elected. They ought to be pumping his coffers to the max. Even American media companies serve to gain global market share by his election. It really is a no-brainer. McCain will only continue to shrink the Ameircan brand. He is: Boring. Old. Ugly. Cadaverous. Tired. Not wired.

    For market share and vitality, Obama is the only viable way forward. If corporate America doesn’t realize that, they are as dumb as dinosaurs with small reptilian brains.

  • jimBOB – Excellent post!

    The only thing I would add is this: the best way to help Obama govern is to work now to get more Dems in office with him. The devestation caused by the Bush misAdministration will require a veto-proof majority in Congress, or their crimes will be swept under the rug and the criminals will keep doing what they do best; undermine this country for their personal profit.

  • So ral.. you are letting on that you think that someone who is white shouldnt be in office. man I hate to see if obamma gets in what this country will turn into. Talk about division, All we hear is the race issues from your side, however you seem to let your true feeling slip quite a bit. I am tired of hearing how whitey did this or whitey did that. Makes me more tired when the rest of the socialists buy into it., If anything is going to kill it for your side is the guilt you try and instill on the voters. they wont buy it .. mark my words you racist….

  • I just watched McCain tell Stephanopolous black is white and up is down. His answers to simple questions were evasive and incoherent. Then the round table spent the entire segment blasting Obama for all of his “mistakes” (not visiting military hospital, arrogance in the presence of Merkel and Sarkozy). They are still citing Rove as an electoral expert. Once again they’re making their own reality.

  • McCain has simply gone with the Rove/DeLay pathological borderline personality scheme. Hit with the lowest blow you can think of then cry foul, and seek promises from the media that they will play you as the victim. McCain couldn’t beat them so he joined them. Where would McCain be without his families (Father and Grandfather’s) elite military positions and his wifes hundreds of millions, (least we forget the Keating savings and loan “robbery” where McCain handed over tax payers billions, while flying to Keatings palacial estate in the islands, on keatings plane, to protect McCains wife’s business partner Keating). Lets “straight talk” about this, McCain has been a crude mannered elitest his entire life. So of course the play book says accuse Obama of being elitest, and out of touch. My daughter asked me “How did McCain become so wealthy getting paid a government salary for 30 plus years?” Ask Charles Keating, Dick Cheney etc. There is a reason that Republicans can only chant from Rove’s “Little red book”. “In Diebold We Trust” is the watermark on your voting stub. “When Harry met Nancy”? More of the same. The only way we’ll get real “free press” is limit the size and control of the corporations owning it, encourage competition not incest. There still exists the American ideal, it’s just that it’s called “Canada” now.

  • Kropotkin @ 7 : …addressing a crowd estimated at 200,000 waving American flags…

    I felt the same way. I can only imagine how the Republicans were drooling over those numbers. Hence their response that it looked more like a fascist rally in their mind.

    Come to think of it… Has McCain drawn that number of people to his events? I”m talking about ALL events combined over the primary as well as general election?

  • ROTFLMLiberalAO@America said:

    “McCain will only continue to shrink the American brand. He is: Boring. Old. Ugly. Cadaverous. Tired. Not wired.”

    Exactly right. McCain is not wired. He’s beyond tired.

    He’s expired.

  • Dear bubba the troll you all love to hate,

    You want to pretend that the white male hierarchy isn’t using race baiting and fear-mongering to cling desparately to every bit of power they can keep for themselves and deny others?

    You know what, troll? I served my country, pretty much all of my family has. My son is an active duty Marine. And we are all through with the murdering criminals who have been using our Constitution as toilet paper.

    And I don’t care if they find a thousand Colin Powells and Condis to prop up in front of them – they are racists to the core.

    You’re damn right it’s time for a change.

    PS, in case you’re wondering, I’m a cracker, a honky, a whitey. A Caucasion. I’m just not blind.

    Why do you hate the Constitution, troll?

  • OkieFromMuskogee

    What a great idea for a campaign poster: A picture of McCain – a current one, not one from the 2000 campaign like Fox used. (Gawd, what a joke these losers are.)

    Under the picture: Expiration Date: Aug. 2000. Or whatever the date was that McCain sold his soul and hugged Bush in public while Bush did his best Furher wave to the adoring facists at the convention.

  • Obama voted against the war. He voted against funding our brave
    men and women. It’s totally scary to think that we are
    on the cusp of electing a zero experience hack Chicago
    politician as our President.Our first President selected
    to be elected by the star struck Obamuppet media.
    Obama and the “Anchors Rockin Away” global
    victory tour may put him over the top.Our media is totally
    in the tank for this guy.This isn’t a Presidential election,it’s
    more like American Idol gone globally wild.

    We’re all about celebrities not substance in this country.
    In ths respect Obama dances with the stars while McCain
    is still looking for his shoes. The media gives coverage
    accordingly. Obama could win big.

    I hope that our throngs of hypnotized Obamuppets wake
    up to what this guy really represents.He’s a dangerous
    puppet given those that are pulling the strings.

  • Ya know, there will be up to ten million votes cast from abroad in the upcoming general election. Think maybe Americans living in Germany and Britain and the middle east might appreciate the visit? I do.

  • “We’re in a very tight race, despite having a week of great press and John McCain having had a week of not-so-great press,” Mr. Obama said in the interview. “If that doesn’t keep you on your toes, I don’t know what will.”

    Re 1, 2, and 6. Guys, close is what I want. Gore and Kerry lost because they coasted. Obama is going to win this because he’s going to work. Though I do want the polls to widen at the end of October.

    Steve Boston said: “Obama voted against the war.”

    Actually, he didn’t. He wasn’t a Senator when the AUMF vote happened. But it’s good you think that he voted against the war as MOST Americans think the war in Iraq was a dumb idea. Keep making that argument…
    PLEASE.

    Bruno said: “I can only imagine how the Republicans were drooling over [200,000 cheering Germans in Berlin]. Hence their response that it looked more like a fascist rally in their mind.”

    Jealousy, pure envy. They are as green as the backgrounds they use in their campaigns. 😉

  • a veto proof majority?…with a dem president?? OK…self explanatory. We really need to get rid of who we will be battling the most in the senate and house…DINOS or Blue dawgs…those Bush enabling conservative republicans who figured they had a better chance of getting elected if they put a D after their name rather than the R that they are.

    They will battle against national health care ins and decreasing military spending and alternative energy and especially campaign finance reform (if they can’t buy in then they can’t pressure for the votes they want with their legalized bribery).

    They will fight against net neutrality or another version of the fairness doctrine. Face it, these ‘dawgs’, many of whom face progressive dem challengers in the primaries, represent the republican faction of the dem party. Republicans call them centrist but the center is comprised of dead things and yellow stripes and those who agree with republicans without calling themselves republicans. Democratic party infiltrators is a better term.

    The country has been pushed so far right that “Extreme left” only refers to those who vehemently oppose republican policies and are actively trying to do something about it. “Center” indicates that while you may oppose a few of the republican’s policies you certainly won’t “do” anything about it. Hell even Reid voted against FISA but only after he ensured it would pass anyway, regardless of his vote.

  • The best thing that can happen is an Obama presidency with a solid Republican congress. At least he’ll shut down the war but wouldn’t accomplish anything else otherwise. Both candidates would turn a blind eye to the millions of illegal aliens, so whats the difference.

  • The most telling image for me from Obama’s trip abroad was one from Germany. An American politician addressing a crowd estimated at 200,000 waving American flags is not something I thought I would ever see. — Kropotkin, @7

    That seems to be one of the most common responses — awe at the fact, that all those Germans were waving American flags instead of burning them. Another score for Obama, for whom no point is so small that it’s likely to get overlooked — those flags were *distributed by the campaign*. It’s little things like that — the ever present *foresight* about the smallest detail — which keeps reminding me that the guy is a pure political genius and that, however much to right he might be currently listing (more than I like, myself), at least he’ll be *competent* as president. That’s how he won the primaries, too, if you remember; by doing a meticulous job of picking a few delegates here and a couple more there.

  • The WaPo report struck a similar note, describing the excursion as “a clear success, with meticulously planned and deftly executed events designed to beam back images to the United States of a politician comfortable on the world stage. What isn’t measurable is whether it worked.”

    I see, so maybe sloppily planned and clumsily fudged events would work better with Middle America? Wow, that sure does explain a lot.

  • Why Obama is showing too much for Israel? Is it mandatory to win that you prove you are a more Israeli supporter than you are an US.

  • Relations with the Europeans have always been strong. I do not see why everyone is talking of such a divide. My in-laws are from Germany, they are staunch Liberals, and they told me the majority of Germans think Obama was grandstanding over there and he is not genuine.

    To add to that, Der Spiegel stated there were 20,000 people at the rally and it was preceded by a concert.

    The spin machine continues to spin. How sad we cannot get objective news here in the USA.

    -Bo

  • Obama did a great job of creating the illusion that he has a grasp of world affairs. Sorry, but the fact that Bush has screwed up so badly does not anoint Obama as “ready”. This is why the Dems are so tuned into Hollywood, cause it’s all about show and image. Credibility to the failed Bush Presidency is the fact that Obama and McCain are the choices for the USA. A 71 year old Vietnam vet with a half-hearted campaign and a 2 year Senator that grew up wrapped in privilege but cloaked in “South side of Chicago B^*#^#(#it”! God help us all!

  • > the fact that this race is STILL this close fills me with dread. I suspect numbers will improve, &
    > I really await the debates with baited breath.

    Note that the First Amendment only assures your rights of the Free Press vis-a-vis the government.

    Other owners of “free presses” can still spout as much nonsense as they want^H^H^H^H get paid for.

    This includes forged election polls, erroneous claims on global warming, the success of nuclear energy in replacing oil, etc.

  • It’s amazing that with a terrible economy, the Iraq war still going on and a Republican administration with dismal approval ratings, Obama is only about 4 points ahead in national polls; one would think that it would be 10-15% in this situation. Perhaps there’s a large body of voters out there who recognize that elegant speeches are of little value in solving the problems that this country faces; but of course elegant speeches and shmoozing with foreign leaders are of great value, when running for President of the US or President of the World. If Obama gets to the White House my guess is that the inauguration ceremony will be the high point of his presidency.

  • Troy @ 27……This is why the Dems are so tuned into Hollywood, cause it’s all about show and image….

    Hmmm… Anybody remember Bush landing on the aircraft carrier, where there just happened to be a banner proclaiming: “Mission Accomplished”. The Repubs didn’t leave anything to chance: position the ship, as to avoid seeing the shoreline in the back ground, jockstrap to accentuate Bush’s manhood and swagger, 100’s of sailors neatly lined up to applaud the Commander in Chief, The press lapping it all up, with strategically placed camera shots, etc…

    Yup… You’re right…. It was one of those spontaneous events, that just happened to hit all the right notes.

  • I agree with Troy. With the choices we have before us in November,
    we may be better off having Moe Larry or Curly available to answer
    that 3AM phone call. Moe Larry the phone! Moe Larry the phone!
    Good luck to our country. We’re gonna need it either way.

  • Unlike McCain who can read people’s minds and who doesn’t need ‘the Google’ and the ‘tubes’; Obama at least pays attention to what has been going on in the world.

    The “Jordan Times” has an interesting article explaining what’s going on in the Middle East and how Obama’s visit played out. Here’s the link to the Is Obama Listening? article.

    A few weeks ago, Chas. W. Freeman, Jr., a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia and president of the Middle East Policy Council, complained in highly critical remarks before the influential World Affairs Council in Washington that:

    …the “principal focus of American foreign policy in recent years […] has most consistently shown a preference for bluster, boycott, and bombs and a concomitant disdain for diplomacy”…

    He also said that these US policies:

    .. “have resulted in decisions by all concerned in the Middle East to work around the United States rather than with us or through us”… […] .. Washington’s political marginalization in the Middle East is a predictable result of such ‘diplomacy-free’ foreign policies”….

    If that isn’t enough of a repudiation of the Bush doctrine, I don’t know what will. Then again, here we have McCain, in a ‘tight’ (cough cough) race for the Presidency, who wants to do more of the same and alienate the world even more than it already is.

  • Unfortunately, jimBOB (go back to post 6) is probably right. The people will either vote for status quo or change. In this election, the people are unhappy with what they have and want change. There is one man yelling change, change, change and will probably win. The problem is that he (Obama) is an empty suit with “change” in his pocket. He has no new ideas that will really work. The only things I have heard from him that would be considered new simply are not possible or are not within the presidents power to change. For example, now that he looks like he has the nomination, he is coming to realize that we cannot simply pick up and walk out of Iraq like he promised. People voted for him because he led them to believe he would pull us (immediately) out of Iraq. Either he knew it all along and lied, or he was ignorant of the facts that it would be stupid and a disaster to just pull up and leave, even if we could.

    So, it is time to start thinking about what we should do when this guy gets elected. There is already a Democratic congress that does not seem to know what their job is and can not get anything done. They think their job is to investigate Republicans and do not realize they are supposed to be the law makers, not enforcers. Now we are going to have a president that has no idea what he is doing (and apparently thinks he is already President). Who is going to help him? He had better pick a good VP or we are in deep ****. But there is hope. He could make such as bad mistake in the next few months that McCain will win. He (McCain) is qualified, even if he is not perfect (who really is?). We would just have to keep him alive and again, hope he picks a qualified VP.

  • Democrats have the wrong candidate to win.
    He stole the election form Hillary by not fighting for having the voices hear from voters of Michigan and Florida..
    He won’t be able to hold on to those votes:
    He can’t connect with older voters
    No shot with over 28 percent of Hillary supporters.
    He’s risky
    He’s scary
    To inexperienced.

  • Would someone ask Obama if his Dad was a Muslim.
    Stop asking the “wrong” question.
    If Obama had a Muslim dad, don’t Muslims see Obama as a Muslim.
    Is that dangerous to Americans?

    Why doesn’t he bring it up when asked if he is a Muslim.

    That is the question Americans want to know. We are at war with international Muslims. Don’t we have the right to know if he ever was a Muslim, if his grandmother is a muslim? Or does he have any Muslim relatives.

    Wouldn’t you think that she should discuss this? If any of the above is true, Americans need to know.

    Where are his friends from school in Indonesia? Wasn’t that a Muslim School he atteded for a while.

    Obama is frightening by avoiding the issue.
    He’s risky, scary and has no business running for the President of the US, if he can’t confront this issue at great lenght.

  • Al,

    I must say, I do agree. I am old and cannot connect with Obama. I simply don’t believe what he is saying when he actually says anthing besides the word change. But younger people “like the way he talks”. That is not enough for me. I have been to war and have seen a lot. However, I am afraid he will win.

  • Regarding the Germany leg of the trip,

    ABC and other news outlets showed the flyers handed out days prior to Obama’s arrival; I would also wager that the American flags were handed out at the event as well. Why? I attend our State convention and had a member ask me for my Obama sign (for my brother- I was a Hillary supporter prior to the Unity request) so that they would “have enough on the stage” (it seems there were too many Hillary signs off-setting their intent to show who’s the presumptive Democratic nominee- go figure). I respectfully relented (but I wasn’t too thrilled about it!).

    World News now this AM showed Obama’s comments about how there’s noise about the recent trip overseas; that it was presumptuous. His counterpoint was that Senator McCain did the very same thing, even visiting Columbia and other regions of South America. At the surface, this is quite true. However…

    …the difference between the two excursions overseas is that McCain never made much of his trip; no major press selection as to “who’s going or staying”, no major speeches to crowds or fanfare- just meeting leaders and getting home. Senator Obama’s trip WANTED attention; this is my problem. Neither candidate president yet, and of the two (televised that is), one candidate is less than moderate in humility. I call it the ‘Audacity of Arrogance’ ;).

    Unfortunately, I’m a Democrat who has little choice in the nomination process now and may have to vote for the “Manchurian Candidate” – ugh!

    Well, we have until November….I agree with those who’ve said to bring on the debates! For now, here are a few articles (the bottom of the page presents articles with links from Time and other publications as references!):

    http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html

  • CB says “The trip was going to face a negative spin, no matter what. If he speaks too much, he’s arrogant; if he speaks too little, he’s reclusive. If he visits with too many troops, he’s exploitative; too few and he’s unpatriotic. If he’s gone too long, he’s shirking Americans; if he’s not gone long enough, he’s disinterested in foreign affairs. If the trip is deemed a success, he’s being presumptuous; if it’s a failure, he’s failed a presidential test.

    No, no, no, more symptoms of tired pre-Rove Enlightenment thinking. The obvious Republic party response to Obama, (as we are seeing), is:

    He spoke too much and too little, and is arrogant and reclusive; he visited with the troops too little and too much, because he’s exploitative and unpatriotic; he was away too long but not long enough, thus shirking Americans because of his disinterest in foreign affairs. Obviously, therefore, he failed the presidential test through his presumptousness, because the trip has been deemed both a success and a failure.

  • August@38: I am young (well young enough at mid-30s!), and I am voting for Obama. I respect your opinion, but my children will have to pay for the poor choices made by the most recent occupant (not to mention less-than-forward-thinking choices made by previous administrations — including Dems). My older in-laws are also supporting Bush III. My husband and I get frustrated because it’s seems so easy for them to pick a short-sighted candidate because they (let’s be honest) won’t have to live with the consequences. I will and so will my kids.

    Obama is not the great saviour that the MSM tends to portray him (only to play to McCain’s campaign, mind you, since they seem to support McCain). But, I have no doubt in my mind that he can begin to turn things (international relations, the environment, the economy, our American attitude of consumption) around. And we have to do that or what will we have left? Not much or at least no much worth fighting for.

  • I see a great deal of similarity between the economic condition of the USA and the German Weimar Republic just prior to the emergence of Nazism. And its the same actors involved, imagine that. Only this time its the American people who are owned by the bank instead of the Germans. The bad thing is, when our currency crashes, they take all our property, and then roll out another fiat bill so they can do it again, we’ll STILL be too stupid to figure out who is pulling the strings. The Republicans and Democrats only give us the illusion of choice. Neither are fundamentally different on any of the issues that matter. Ever wonder why every American president has to go to Israel and put on that little cap? There is something here that is not being analyzed because we’re too afraid that if we realize the truth then we’ll turn into “bad people”.

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