Al Gore’s tolerance for ‘triviality and artifice and nonsense’

Al Gore appeared on “Meet the Press” yesterday for an interview that largely emphasized the former Vice President’s speech last week on energy policy, but Tom Brokaw extended the subjects to include everything from Joe Lieberman to the now-infamous New Yorker cover to the land use devoted to the Gore family house.

But of all the extraneous points, this one was just odd.

Brokaw reminded Gore of a recent quote, in which Gore said, “What politics has become requires a level of tolerance for triviality and artifice and nonsense that I have found in short supply.” That hardly sounds like a controversial thing to say.

But Brokaw was apparently disappointed with the comment, asking Gore, “Is that the right kind of signal to send to the young people of this country who, more than any time in recent memory, are deeply involved in the political decisions that we’re making this year, and young people who want to get into the political arena, look to Al Gore, and he said it’s all about trivia and nonsense.”

Now, Gore was polite about it, and explained how encouraged he is to see young people get involved in the political process, and the importance of “the new Internet-based forms of organizing and mobilizing people.”

But I’m not sure if I would have been as gracious. Brokaw’s question didn’t make any sense at all. The point of the quote Brokaw read is that Gore’s patience has run thin, in large part because politics — and more importantly, the political media — too often obsesses over “triviality and artifice and nonsense.” Brokaw saw this as a denunciation of politics in general, and a call for young people to avoid political life.

But Brokaw’s interpretation seems to be backwards.

I’m going to assume Brokaw hasn’t read Gore’s book, “The Assault on Reason,” but the point of Gore’s thesis isn’t that politics is stupid, it’s that politics is too important for so much stupidity.

Of course Gore finds himself short on tolerance for artifice and nonsense. He had to endure a year of campaigning in which the media decided that he’d claimed to have invented the Internet. He cleaned Bush’s clock in one of the more important political debates in a generation, and the media decided his sighs were the most important development of the event.

Even yesterday, Gore appeared on “Meet the Press” to talk about a looming climate crisis, and Brokaw spent quite a bit of time trying to pin Gore down on whether he’d serve in an Obama administration.

Gore doesn’t believe politics is necessarily dominated by “triviality and artifice and nonsense”; Gore seems to believe politics can be improved so that “triviality and artifice and nonsense” don’t crowd out things that matter. He’s not discouraging people from getting involved in politics; he’s encouraging people to make politics less inane.

Or, to summarize, what is Tom Brokaw talking about?

For those who can’t watch clips online, here’s a transcript of the segment:

MR. BROKAW: Let me ask you about your attitude toward politics these days.

VICE PRES. GORE: Mm-hmm.

MR. BROKAW: I was a little surprised. You’re a man who was in politics at the highest level in this country…

VICE PRES. GORE: Mm-hmm.

MR. BROKAW: …in the House of Representatives and the Senate, vice president for eight years, and yet you said recently, “What politics has become requires a level of tolerance for triviality and artifice and nonsense that I have found in short supply.” Is that the right kind of signal to send to the young people of this country who, more than any time in recent memory, are deeply involved in the political decisions that we’re making this year and young people who want to get into the political arena, look to Al Gore, and he said it’s all about trivia and nonsense.

VICE PRES. GORE: Well, no. I, I–that quote you used was about my own personal tolerance for–bear in mind, I was in the political process for almost 30 years. And no, I encourage young people to get involved. And public service is an honorable calling, and, and I’m very excited, by the way, about the fact that millions of young people, who haven’t been involved in the past, are now getting involved, many of them for Senator Obama, of course. And, and I think that’s exciting.

I do think, Tom, that we have a very serious set of problems affecting our democracy–the role of big money, the role of lobbyists, the role of special interests. It’s a very serious problem for our democracy. I think that the new Internet-based forms of organizing and mobilizing people–and that’s what’s gotten a lot of these young people involved–offer a real ray of hope. I’m optimistic. But I think my best role is to try to help that bring–come, come to pass and to focus on enlarging the political space so that we can start focusing on real solutions and not these gimmicks.

What better way to demonstrate that politics isn’t really trivial, Tom, than to ask such a trivial question?

  • 1. Our country is FUBAR because the GOP (abetted by the lazy cretins posing as journalists and the S.C.) claimed we didn’t want a boring president who knew lots of facts and stuff, we wanted a president who would make a great drinking buddy.
    2. Gore gently hints that this is a problem.
    3. Brokaw doesn’t get it.

    Time for Tom to retire.

  • Isn’t MTP the one venue in American politics where we should expect more than “triviality and artifice and nonsense.” Shame on Mr. Brokaw–he’s smarter than that.

  • I thought holding up the New Yorker cover was the low point. Even if you ask about it, why hold it up and have the camera zoom in?

    But regardless of Brokaw’s substandard questioning, hey – at least they invited him – watching Gore on MTP after 8 years sure beats watching, say, Lieberman for the 100th time…

  • I watched the “interview”. Brokaw seemed to be clinging by his fingernails to the status quo. Instead of asking Gore questions, Brokaw was trying to talk Gore out of his radical (but necessary) proposal by talking about how impractical alternative energy would be, and how painful for Americans conversion from a fossil fuel economy would be.

    I wouldn’t have been as nice to Brokaw, either. I would have told him that politics had become “trivialized” because the freakin’ “journalists” covering politics would rather talk about bullshit like flag pins and imaginary “flip flops” than about matters of substance.

    My wife gets tired of me yelling at the teevee on Sunday mornings.

  • Mr. Brokaw was merely playing gotcha in the spirit of Tim Russert – though he did a great job of forcing VP Gore to suffer a bit of idiocy on the old boob-tube! -Kevo

  • oh the gotcha newspeople…Tom should have stayed retired and let a younger dog do the barking.

  • “My wife gets tired of me yelling at the teevee on Sunday mornings.”

    hehehe……yeah, my husband told me i couldn’t watch tv any more if i didn’t stop yelling at it 🙂

  • Gore obviously found just enough of a supply of tolerance to politely deal with Brokaw’s inane questioning. If Al had responded with even a Reaganesque “there you go again” reply, it would have touched off a media firestorm that would have pushed Obama out of the press for the next week or two. Gore was smart enough to be patient in his response so an not to feed to same machine he was commenting about in the first place.

  • it seems like a lot of people in Brokaws generation view politics the way most of us view sports, something that does not effect ones life but can generate intense emotion. The only difference is that all the trivial sports questions are answered on game day, who cares whether you like TO if he catches 12 passes. Politics never seems to have that moment of absolute truth so all that gets talked about is the trivial crap and Brokaw seems to enjoy the trivial crap.

  • I fear we may be asking for a quarter from someone who only has a nickel.

    The “media,” with notable exceptions, is/are populated with average, mundane, ignorantly destructive people who by virtue of a tie, or camera presense, maybe a degree, and some connections find themselves in a position of authority, reponsibility, and expertise that is so often painfully and obviously undeserved.

    These totally “unhip” (by that I mean: informed, intelligent, truly thoughtful, original, and creative and critical thinkers) people are paid too much attention and should be rendered irrelevent by simply tuning them out.

    Gore would be better served to just bypass the “talking head” Sunday morning idiots and go to venues that are worthy of his time, thoughts, and actions.

  • I agee completely with Steve Benen; Brokow missed Gore`s (and Obama`s) premise entirely. IT IS JUST BECAUSE American politics has been largely about trivia, nonsense, artifice, and Gore might have added chicanery and duplicity, young people are getting involved, on the internet in particular, to try and change the nature of politics.

    The point is will they get disappointed when they meet the likes so called MSM dinosaur opinion shapers like Tom Brokow, an old liberal who seem to have lost the plot entirely, and takes the navel gazing, tv celebrity tinsel carousel so seriously that he becomes irritatated if they show skepticism or irreverence towards it, and by implication people like himself.

  • What was Gore thinking? Every knows that the only things that matter are iPods, hemlines, and body language! For some reason, bowling is important too, but to be honest, I haven’t listened to enough Brokaw to know why for sure. Then along comes Gore talking about climate, war, and the economy, like he’s some sort of blogger!
    No wonder Brokaw had to put him in his place.

  • I watched most of this interview and didn’t hear a good question one. I’m all for playing the devils advocate, but Brokaw was voicing the same old reservations about Gore’s plan that have done nothing but punt the ball down the block for the past 3 decades. He brings up the costs of putting Gore’s vision for our energy future like we are still in the era of cheap gas. He talks about the general publics’ reluctance to emmbrace sustainable practices like any of us have a choice. The current oil defendant energy market is in a tail spin and headed for a crash* and Brokaw sits there casting aspersions while sounding like he’s sucking on a mouthful of marbles.

    Needless to say, I was not impressed.

    * http://www.hubbertpeak.com/summary.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory

  • All the Obama and Gore supporters in this thread should be happy for the media; not criticizing them. The horrible presidential candidate wouldn’t be the democratic candidate or have a chance in the general if not for the blatent pro-Obama media bias. Even being a lawyer, using ambiguous wording and having the media play his agenda hasn’t allowed all of his lies go unnoticed.

    Also if the media was more objective they’d call out Gore’s BS as being self serving scare tactics based off of dubious science that the IPCC can’t even adequately defend. Environmental whack jobs like Gore don’t support realistic transition plans including drilling, refining and nuclear (yes I know the evil trifecta to the blind environmentalists) towards our long term goal of conservation and alternative energy.

    Gore has a ton of money invested into and wants to make money off the green revolution plain and simple. He is a total hypocrite and fraud considering he hasn’t been making changes himself and still spends $500 a month heating an indoor pool. However he is fine telling all the peons how to live their lives while he rides around in private jets and pays his own companies to purchase carbon credits (guilt credits for the rich who don’t want to change their lifestyle and want to pay out of it while telling others without the means to buy credits how they have to turn off their air conditioner).

    It’s amazing how liberals have lost their independance and the majority take common platforms even defending nutjobs like Gore. Unfortunately liberals have become “faith based” like religious conservatives (idealist eutopia being the god) and are every bit as intolerant, unquestionable, and blind to common sense and logic.

  • What do you think? — CB

    I think you’re a lot smarter and more knowledgeable than Brokaw.

  • The corporate media lacks (and is paid well to be so lacking) the necessary self-awareness required to do their job properly.

  • @Cyros
    Get a Life. You are obviously not paying any attention to the reality of this political season.

    peace,
    st john

  • I won’t waste my time answering you. If you don’t get it, it is too late.
    peace,
    st john

  • Brokaw will never get it. To him it’s all about ‘face-time’ and performance not substance. He does exactly what he questions but is too fixated to know it. The danger of self importance becoming overwhelming is exemplified in Tom Brokaw. The circus has its ringleaders and that is all he is.

  • Cryos, I’m with the others. You completely missed the point of the discussion in the first place and you might also wanna hang up the “librul media loves Obama and hates McCain LOL” meme unless you read what’s going on.

  • Wow – I’m new to the Carpetbagger but it is fascinating! I often wonder where uneducated idiots that support Al Gore go to meet other idiots and here you all are! Since someone mentioned how they like Al Gore because he deals with facts here’s a few for you: Al’s home uses 500 times more electricity as the average American; he pumps out more CO2 in a year than most Americans in a lifetime by flying around the world in private jets; he has made $120 million in the last 10 years spreading this propaganda and, to this day, he continues to make huge royalties off his family’s ZINC STRIP MINE in Carthage, Tennessee. So, what are his scientific credentials? Zip, Zilch, Nada. Worse grades than George Bush in College (Check snopes .com for confirmation).
    Its not your fault you’re all so stupid – it is ingrained into people’s mind at a young age by our Government run school system, yes, our ‘ONE’ size fits all communist style education system. Remember, in extremely socialist Belgium their citizens have more freedom in educational choice than Americans (e.g. The Belgium people get a VOUCHER to send their children to the school of the PARENTS choice). Imagine that.

  • Dave G. said: “Better trolls please.”

    I thought they were pretty damn good actually. Though critizing someone for investing in green technologies which he also promotes seems so…
    … UnAmerican and Anti-Capitalist. Good Americans put their money where their mouths are.

    I think Brokow is trying, desperately and incompetently, to mimic Russert’s heavy research and probing style of questioning. He’s looking for a ‘nailed him’ moment, and looking more like Colbert than Russert.

    I can’t watch the tape, but Gore seemed to handle it pretty well.

    And are rich man has a big house. Heaven forefend! Just how much does Kennebunqeport or the Ranch in Crawford burn?

  • Dave G. said: “Better trolls please.”

    I thought they were pretty damn good actually. Though critizing someone for investing in green technologies which he also promotes seems so…
    … UnAmerican and Anti-Capitalist. Good Americans put their money where their mouths are.

    I think Brokow is trying, desperately and incompetently, to mimic Russert’s heavy research and probing style of questioning. He’s looking for a ‘nailed him’ moment, and looking more like Colbert than Russert.

    I can’t watch the tape, but Gore seemed to handle it pretty well.

    And a rich man has a big house. Heaven forefend! Just how much does Kennebunqeport or the Ranch in Crawford burn?

  • The thing Freddy and I have in common is we look realistically at the situation not blindly support a con man hypocrite selling snake oil. Sorry that reality gets in the way of your ideals but anyone who tries defending Gore and refuses to discuss facts ( is pretty laughable.

    “I won’t waste my time answering you. If you don’t get it, it is too late” Sorry not all of us are suckers. Some of us require some sort of logic or fact to base our positions off of we can’t blind ourselves in the name of idealist eutopia. I love how the liberals have become EXACTLY what they claim to despise in religious conservatives. As a moderate I get to laugh at both sides.

  • “And are rich man has a big house. Heaven forefend! Just how much does Kennebunqeport or the Ranch in Crawford burn?”

    The point is the complete hypocrisy which I’m sorry but you have to be completely blinded by idealism not to see. Gore razed the home on the plot in Tennessee so he could build his customized mansion. Then he didn’t even build it with “green” or “energy efficient” technologies. Bush’s ranch has a much, much smaller footprint and was built environment friendly which I find hilarious. GWB who is lambasted by environmentalists builds his ranch environmentally friendly and Al Gore could care less. Pretty sad when on the environment Al Gore is upstaged by GWB.

    And by the way I don’t like Bush as I don’t like any neocons so don’t let the fact Bush is in the thread cloud your vision.

  • Gore’s energy usage is higher than the national average — as he and Tipper both use the home as a business. Furthermore he purchases his electricity through companies that produce it through “greener” means, so it costs more.

    But you’re right about Bush’s house. It uses geothermal energy and really is a “greener” house.

  • Gore has made changes but only after being called on the table for it; until he was publicly ridiculed for the hypocrisy he did NOTHING to “go green.”

    And it’s my understanding he still is heating his $500 a month indoor pool. I just think it takes a pair of brass ones to tell people they need to turn up their thermostat, reduce their driving, etc meanwhile he keeps unnecessary inefficient luxuries going and flies around the world in private jets.

    Regardless of people’s feelings on the merits of carbon credits, etc. I would hope the same people who always claim “big oil or big business special interests manipulate the public to make money” would realize Al Gore is doing 100% the same thing. Just because it is politically correct to do so doesn’t make it any better in my book.

  • It’s your understand? Do you wanna cite a source or something?

    Meanwhile, you’re still missing the point of the discussion of this post originally, anyway, which was to go on about trivialities.

  • Actually it’s no really off point. In my opinion Al Gore is a triviality. His energy policy is a joke that only the most hardcore of the idealists can actually listen to it without rolling their eyes. He produced a propoganda movie based off of junk science and then think he’s an authority although he has no scientific basis for his movie which even the most alarmist environmentalists dismiss as exaggeration.

  • I would have to agree – hypocrisy is hypocrisy no matter the source. But don’t mistake the message for the messenger.

    I’ve never been a fan of Gore’s and I’m certainly no fan of the present administration, but that doesn’t prevent me from seeing the wisdom, truth, and necessity of changing our ways in order to preserve the species.

    It makes absolute sense to me to get off of petrol as a form of energy for so many reasons. I also have faith that the human race is totally capable of not only seeing this need (some come around harder than others), but also their capabilities of making it happen. The only question for me is will we get to that critical stage soon enough.

    To disparage these realizations because the messenger is not perfect only speaks of self destruction or an agenda unrevealed.

    Unrevealed agendas are what we most given by our political system and our politicians. Frankly, from my perspective I’ve had enough of that. Until they can speak from a point of honesty, transparency, awareness, sympathy, empathy, intelligence, humanity, and grace they all, politicians, journalists, pundits, operatives, surrogates, the lot of them can all jump in the lake.

    We are all beholden to our metaphorical neighbors – beholden to not do them harm, beholden to help them if we can and the same for our neighbors toward us. Until that happens, until we can speak with sincerity in that vein it’s all just a bunch of bullshit.

    What Gore is is more true than not – everything else doesn’t really matter.

  • Largely agree with ya ej. I am not convinced of the merits of AGW but of course am in agreement to conserve energy and go to alternative energy sources. Fossil fuels have limited supplies, are not clean, and the demand is heavily increasing so the cost will just continue to rise.

    I however am opposed to the AGW theories and solutions as they stand today since they seem to have more political motivations than scientific motivations. To prevent further problems in the future I just think we need to take a responsible, measured approach and utilize our proven, efficient fossil fuel energy resources as a transitional bridge to alternative energy in the future. If we move too fast and embrace technologies before they mature we will do even more harm to the environment in our quest to save it.

  • Don’t buy the ExxonMobil line. They want to hang on to fossil fuels until the last drop is bought at mega bucks. They are muddying the water with all the issues that Cryos brings up so they can get the lead on the alternative energies before anyone else and keep the revenues flowing.

    People like you hate Al Gore just because he’s Al Gore, so everything that comes out of his mouth is suspect. Sure his home could be greener, so that makes him a hypocrit in that respect. But Bush cries foul all the time on the green movement yet builds a green ranch. Isn’t that just as hypocritical, even though it is a positive move for a change…

    This transition from fossil fuels is going to be way painful. But it is debatable whether a quick or a slow change is least painful. Pain is pain.

  • Cryos,

    For the reasons you mentioned and the political/military ramifications that surround oil, those reasons alone are sufficient to move toward alternative forms of fuel and energy – not even getting into theories of global warming/ planetary emergencies which certainly should be a factor for discussion here.

    But already, without that discussion, most clear thinking individuals and institutions see a need for change.

    If the past is any teacher, renewable energies is really the only viable path. Why move to something not renewable (past lessons), something potentially dangerous and not completely thought out that creates more problems than it solves (nuclear), or more fossil fuels with the further possible ramifications on the ozone layer.

    It would be totally irresponsible to ignore the ozone debate and the possibility of its truth. And actually most of science agrees that the rapid climate change and its severity is attributable to humankind’s efforts. Certainly there are some scientists who take an opposite stance, but most of the debate centers around how fast these changes will take.

    So, if we as a planet are going to make the change, invest the energies and resources, why not clean, sustainable, renewable energies. And I don’t see how wind, hydrogen, and solar could be harmful to our planet and our ability as a species to survive on this planet.

    As “Always Hopeful” pointed out, slow or fast it is going to be painful. The biggest impediment to transition is the profit motive and short-term vision. Somehow moving that out of the way (no small feat since money and self-interest often creates myopia) then the only real discussion is how fast do we as a species proceed.

    If the most drastic and extreme predictions are even in the ballpark then we as rational thinking beings should opt for sooner rather than later and even maybe as fast as we can.

    So now we are in the arena of what Al Gore is talking about. It would serve us all to put aside our petty disputes and objections and start listening to those brave and prescient enough to dare speak the truth to all – including those, for whatever reasons, who just don’t want to listen. This makes Gore more of a hero than anything else regardless of what anyone thinks of him personally.

    We would all, individually and collectively, be better served to think of him that way if for no other reasons than it makes it easier to hear his message which ultimately will benefit all living creatures.

    Anyway, that’s how I see it.

  • The people posting are missing my point. Yes going to alternative energy is great BUT WE NEED A REALISTIC TRANSITION PLAN. The alternative energies are not nearly efficient enough today and energy isn’t produced from ideals. We need to use our proven resources and provide meaningful, strong incentives to move to alternative energy. Taxation and mandates without utilizing our current resources won’t do the job.

    Bush building an energy efficient ranch is not hypocritical it is consistent with his stance and is putting money where his mouth is. Bush doesn’t say we shouldn’t do anything he says that the evidence does not warrant forcing everyone to change, forcing laws on the public, and crippling the economy, but that we can do a lot ourselves to solve the problem. I like the self reliant approach rather than “have the government do everything for me so I feel warm and fuzzy about doing nothing myself.”

    I disagree with Bush on a great number of items but this is one where he seems to make more sense. I for one don’t want some big nanny government who tells me everything I can or cannot do in life.

  • Missing the point?

    First your point was that anyone who listens to Gore is an idiot, then your point was that Gore was a hypocrite, then your point was that the science on Global Warming was weak, Now your point is that we need a responsible transition.

    I think the point is that what we are now living through and what we face and the generations to come will face is the result of our “best” thinking, (change has to include our way of thinking) and letting those who do not have the best interests of everyone to dictate what happens.

    The conventional thinking by some is – let government get out of the way so the marketplace can do what it does best – improve the lives of everyone through competition.

    Bullshit!

    What we’ve seen is our government involved to their necks in our lives to the benefit of the rich and powerful (tax cuts for the wealthy, capital gains tax rates far below income tax levels, etc,) to allow the privatization of profits, as long as there are profits to be had (deregulation, privatization, etc.).

    And then the “free market” pirates all of a sudden want government back into their lives to socialize the losses (bailouts at the tax payers expense, cooperate welfare at the expense of services, etc.).

    What these greedy, selfish people with a sense of entitlement need is the proverbial “good spanking.”

    Now the world is being feed more “bullshit.” Let’s be responsible and let the scoundrels and dim thinkers lead us to our brave new world by stewarding the much needed and prudently rapid transition from fossil fuel economies to alternative energies.

    The last time that happened we got all the tax incentives for solar energy taken away and replaced with the nuclear energy debacle or wars like in Iraq or companies like Enron people with people’s lives and futures.

    Now we have some of the same half-witted profit driven unscrupulous individuals trying again to sell the world on more of the same nuclear energy garbage or more nonsensical oil drilling in Alaska and off shore as if that’s going to help anyone besides Shell.

    I think it’s time to get rid of the bums, quit this scam about getting government out of our lives (the reality is that almost everyone wants government interference, the only question is how and who benefits) and look at what is best for humanity – not just the rich and powerful who seem interested in only lining their own coffers even more.

    Trusting Exxon/Mobil, BP, and Shell or the governments they put into power to show us the responsible way to a sustainable life is pure insanity. What is necessary for the planet is going to require sacrifice and hardship. There’s no getting around it – everyone is going to feel it but we have absolutely no choice.

    I guarantee you that the only things the multi-nationals are interested in are profit, continued power and guaranteeing that it’s the other guy that takes the hit. And the way things have been – it’s always the little guy, the non-industrialized nations, the people of color, the weak, the disenfranchised, and the poor who take the brunt of the hits.

    Right now, the world has no choice but to proceed with what we have – that’s a given. Gasoline driven vehicles or coal are not going to disappear tomorrow or any time soon. If we allow the marketplace and the multinational fuel corporations to determine the pace, direction and how we convert to sustainable alternatives it will be an even longer wait and will predictably fall painfully short of any ideal and who benefits can also be predicted.

    Governments across the planet have to get cooperatively involved in a new way for the benefit of all and move the pace much faster and in a more focused manner as our government and people did to rally for WWII. We can’t afford to dally while the last profits are made on something that is killing us.

    All the talking around this, all the parsing and spinning doesn’t change anything except reveal more hidden agendas and selfish motivations.

  • Cyros and Freddy, you’ve allowed your unadulterated hatred of Al Gore to color your world. Your sensorial filters are clogged! Get a hobby not so taxing as this.-Kevo

  • Lol its not unadulterated hatred of Gore you need to get a grip on the english language and peoples’ perceptions. I don’t hate Gore; I just think he’s a moron and so are the sheep that hang on his every word and don’t recognize his hypocrisy.

    “Now we have some of the same half-witted profit driven unscrupulous individuals trying again to sell the world on more of the same nuclear energy garbage or more nonsensical oil drilling in Alaska and off shore as if that’s going to help anyone besides Shell.”

    EJ you try to sound “open minded” but come off as babbling and idealistic and your quoted phrase here proves it. I know it sucks when reality gets in the way of ideals but get a faint clue; taxation and mandates will not get things done. So they’re half-witted because they don’t agree with you and your nanny government who tucks you in at night and rocks you to sleep? Typical condenscenion of the “intellectual progressives” who are neither intellectual or progressing towards anything.

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