Ailes is a little touchy about Edwards dropping out of FNC debate

To update a post from a few weeks ago, Democratic presidential candidates and the Nevada state party continue to face questions about partnering with Fox News to host one of the season’s major Democratic presidential debates in Reno, scheduled for August 14. [tag]John Edwards[/tag] was the first to announce that he would not participate in the event.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who had expressed support for the event, seems to be coming around. Reid stated plainly yesterday, “I don’t like Fox News,” and reiterated several times that the Nevada Democratic Party is independent — Reid is not involved with its decision making.

[tag]Fox News[/tag] Channel chairman [tag]Roger Ailes[/tag] spoke to the Radio & TV News Director’s Foundation last night, and after a series of questionable conservative jokes, subtly addressed the subject of the Nevada controversy.

“We’re headed into covering a tough political season and all of us will be called upon to do our best and be fair. Recently pressure groups are forcing candidates to conclude that the best strategy for journalists is divide and conquer, to only appear on those networks and venues that give them favorable coverage.

“There’s a long tradition of news organizations, national and local, sometimes together, sponsoring presidential and other candidate debates. The organizations and the panelists have been the objects of a lot of advice and even pressure as to how these debates should be conducted and what questions should be asked. This pressure has been successfully resisted, but it’s being tried again this year with the added wrinkle that candidates are being asked to boycott debates because certain groups wants to approve the sponsoring organizations. This pressure must be resisted as it has been in the past. Any candidate for high office of either party who believes he can blacklist any news organization is making a terrible mistake about journalists. And any candidate of either party who cannot answer direct, simple, even tough questions from any journalist runs a real risk of losing the voters.

“The public knows if a journalist’s question is unfair. They also know if a candidate is impeding freedom of speech and free press. If you are afraid of journalists, how will you face the real dangers in the world?”

There’s a lot of inanity here, so let’s take a moment to unpack all of this.

Ailes said, for example, that he believes all media professionals “will be called upon to do our best and be fair.” I didn’t see Ailes deliver the remarks, but if he managed to characterize Fox News’ coverage of anything as “fair,” without giggling, I’d be very impressed.

His argument that “pressure groups” (i.e., voters) want candidates to “only appear on those networks and venues that give them favorable coverage,” is particularly nonsensical. If Dems limited media interviews to sympathetic outlets, they’d appear nowhere but Air America every day. The controversy about the Nevada debate has nothing to do with limiting exposure to left-leaning outlets and everything to do with legitimizing an admittedly, unabashedly Republican outlet.

Ailes went on to argue that “candidates are being asked to boycott debates because certain groups want to approve the sponsoring organizations.” That’s not quite right, either. Dems don’t want veto power over all sponsoring organizations, they just want to see explicitly Republican organizations excluded.

This sounded almost compelling: “Any candidate for high office of either party who believes he can blacklist any news organization is making a terrible mistake about journalists.” And if Fox News practiced journalism and hired journalists, I might be more inclined to take the point seriously.

Ailes is right, however, that candidates should obviously be able to “answer direct, simple, even tough questions,” but that’s irrelevant here. The question is whether a Republican news channel should sponsor a Democratic debate. There will be plenty of time for candidates to address journalists’ questions from legitimate news outlets. No one is suggesting that Dem presidential hopefuls duck anything.

As for the notion that candidates might “impede freedom of speech and free press,” I suspect Ailes might be referring to both Edwards and Obama — Edwards for announcing he won’t participate in the Nevada debate and Obama for limiting access to Fox News “correspondents.” In either case, the argument is just silly. For a candidate to snub partisans from the other side of the aisle — partisans who smear the candidate at every available opportunity — isn’t a First Amendment violation; it’s an example of common sense.

Ailes seems to want to have his cake and eat it too. He’s created a Republican network that attracts a Republican audience, and he also believes he’s entitled to credibility as a “newsman.” Ailes should probably stop whining and make a decision: credibility or partisanship? He can’t have both.

Let’s just start calling them Faux News every chance we get (I can assure you that it makes righties go batshit when you do, which is a good thing) and de-legitimize them. It’s nothing the bastards don’t deserve. No Democrats show up there, no Democrats participate in any event that they sponsor, no candidates allow their “reporters” on a a campaign plane. And when people ask why, tell them the truth: Faux News isn’t “news.”

  • only appear on those networks and venues that give them favorable coverage

    From what I can see, this is the administration’s basic MO. Cheney’s always giving interviews to FOX or Limbaugh, or appearing before the NRA or some such. The chimp appears in front of military audiences or at carefully vetted ralllies where anyone who gives the slightest hint they might not be a loyal gooper (see the Denver 3) is set upon by goons and hustled out before the event starts.

  • Steve, I give you credit for reading his whole comments and taking time to respond to them. It’s so absurb, but I suppose it deserves a response.

    If I had a chance, I would read him some choice comments from the Fair and Balanced network’s lead anchor and past debate moderator, Brit Hume (and there’s many good comments to choose from – the Murtha comment, attacks on the Clintons, etc.) and ask why any Democrat in their right mind would want to have to answer slanted to questions from him.

  • CB – Should the header reader “Ailes a Little Touchy” and not “Alies a Little Touchy?” I’m the king of typos, so I cast no stones, but I though Harry Reid was going to be PO’d and not Roger Ailes.

    Edwards has a right to distrust Fox, especially after they gave shelter to Ann Coulter after her recent egregious remarks. Ailes can’t attract Edwards to the confab with honey so now he’s trying to use the whip and shame Edwards into showing up. Other Dem candidates have two options: they need to look more closely at their appointment calendars and notice they’re doing something else that night or come out like Bill Clinton, Barney Frank and Jack Murtha when dealing with Fox hitmen and not take a single word of crap from Fox as a united group.

  • Mr Cleaver: I prefer the moniker “Fox Noise” recently trumpeted on Countdown. Seems better negative branding to me!

  • So, FUX news spends half a decade supporting the men and women who wipe their arses on the Bill of Rights and suddenly Ailing Ailes gets the vapours over Free Speech?

    Sure.

    And of course he shows that he’s completely ignorant of what the First damn Am. says. The GOVERNMENT shall make no laws etc, etc. By his crazy logic, any member of the government that avoids the media or doesn’t give them adequate access or coming running when reporters call is violating the First Am. Fine. Let’s pretend he has taken a short ride on the clue bus and he’s actually right:

    Gee.

    Can we think of any members of the government that haven’t been forthcoming with the media? Who has made a game out of withholding information from the press? Who has such a grip on its underlings that they refuse to be identified in stories?

    Hmmm.

    So by Ail’s logic his masters are guilty of repeatedly violating the Constitution and they can’t claim protecting us from the bad guys covers all of those instances.

    Either that or he’s a stupid baby pants fuckwit who refuses to admit treating one political party like shit has consequences. Get over it Roger!

  • A Democratic boycott of Faux Noise might have an additional consequence of their losing advertisers. If they start losing more money, Rupert might start feeling a little pain.

  • Excellent breakout of Roger All-lies’ speech. He is so dishonest, you can see where the Fox misrepresentation style comes from.

  • When FOX Noise kicks Hannity, O’Rielly, Hume and Coulter to the curb and hires actual journalists to present actual news instead of simply passing out White House talking points, then they can participate in the democratic process.

    Until then, no. And isn’t it nice that so many people are starting to notice that it’s starting to hit dear Mr. Ailes right in his big fat pocketbook where he actually has some feeling left?

    Cry, Mr. Ailes, cry. Nobody is buying into your lies anymore.

  • Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News. Boycott Fux News.

  • Faux works in print. How do you say it?
    No, for me it is Fox “news.”
    When saying it, the quotation gesture is used. Be careful, it’s tempting to us another hand gesture.

    Now:
    “This sounded almost compelling: “Any candidate for high office of either party who believes he can blacklist any news organization is making a terrible mistake about journalists.” And if Fox News practiced journalism and hired journalists, I might be more inclined to take the point seriously.”

    Brilliant. This is an example of why I read CBR.

  • Ailes non-specific terminology is interesting. Why not just call out Edwards? Because he wants to be able to say this without having to call out anyone on the Republican side. He is not “just” talking about Edwards, he is talking about “all” candidates. Were he to single out Edwards, he might have to defend himself if he were not to call out a Republican who pulled the same thing(such as the Bush Administration).

    The public knows if a journalist’s question is unfair.

    Bullshit. Most of the public doesn’t have time to follow all the details of all the candidates. If they ask a Obama or Hillary about one of their “pseudo-scandals”, most people might go, “Hmm, that is a good question,” and then be unconvinced of the answer given in the short response time. The talking heads get on afterwards and pump up the nonsense question more and more, while those who know the truth are left fuming.

  • Faux News is pronounced Foe News–and that’s true for us; Ailes and co are our foes.

  • I am glad Edwards boycotted fux; it is what we all should be doing. I’ve been doing it for years and that way I don’t have to go on blood pressure meds.

  • For lack of a better place to put it, here’s a GREAT post by Digby:

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/empty-conscience-by-digby-ive-written.html

    I’ve written a lot about how the Democrats need to hold Republicans accountable for what they do or they will rise from their electoral graves and return to do it again — just as they have been doing since the dawn of the dirty tricks, modern conservative movement. Character assassins are not impressed by Christian forgiveness and the American people are too busy working two jobs to pay off their sub-prime mortgages and their 28% interest credit cards to notice the details. It’s up to the Democrats to do this.

    So when George W. Bush has the utter chutzpah to nominate the biggest contributor to the Swift Boat Liars as an ambassador, it is imperative that the Democratic senate reject him. Otherwise Republicans will once again be assured that there is no price to pay, even when they lose elections… […]

    …If this guy is confirmed by a Democratic senate the word will once again go forth that there will be no price to pay for character assassination. Indeed, Republicans will laugh their asses off. Not only can you destroy a man’s reputation, his friends and allies will reward you for it. (And then you can do it to them too!)

    Lieberman took money from this creep — the same man who spent $50,000 to perpetuate lies about Kerry’s war record in 2004 in one of the most despicable examples of character assassination in American history. He made a point of making an unusual appearance at his confirmation hearing which also proves that the establishment’s failure to properly oppose Lieberman’s candidacy resulted in Lieberman finally showing his true Republican colors in the most partisan political way possible. If it looks like a despicable Republican duck and walks like a despicable Republican duck…

    It’s not that Democrats have to make a note of every slight and issue payback. But they do have to draw some bright lines. The swift boat project was beyond the pale and anyone who had anything to do with it should never be rewarded at the hands of Democrats. If they do not make it a point to hold these people accountable in any way they can, they are the architects of their own demise. The ghost of Don Segretti is working feverishly as we speak, training the zombies to do the same thing to the next presidential candidate. That’s how Republican zombies and Joe Lieberman work. They don’t have consciences.

  • Sagacity – Thanks, I am aware of faux/foe pronunciation. My point is that when discussing this with people who take Fox “news” seriously, they don’t catch that. But they do understand the mocking quotation gesture.
    Got to learn that dog-whistle type of stuff.

  • An addendum:

    What Mr. Ailes doesn’t realize, or he desperately hopes the rest of us don’t realize, is that nobody actually *needs* FOX Noise for any real news. If it vanished tomorrow there would still be CNN and the regular networks.

    And maybe that’s what worries him the most. If people start jumping ship and see that the sun still rises in the morning, the trend might pick up speed until he’d actually have to go out and work for a living.

  • Awww…Roger must be afraid that he’ll stage an expensive debate—and no one will come to it. This from the man who hired Geraldo “Capone’s Secret Vault” Rivera….

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