An Attorney General with a high tolerance for law-breaking

When Alberto Gonzales would periodically stop by the Senate Judiciary Committee for oversight hearings, it was extraordinarily painful. The bulk of the poor schmo’s answers, when he wasn’t feigning a faulty memory, were so breathtakingly dishonest, it was almost comical.

Michael Mukasey, in this sense, is a breath of fresh air. His callous disregard for the rule of law comes across as far more competent and direct. After yesterday’s hearing, Dahlia Lithwick had a gem.

…Mukasey is only willing to make and defend his decisions without explaining them. Still, he is very convincing in asserting that even though his decision is secret and its rationale is secret, and all future applications are secret, he is nevertheless confident that it’s the right decision. […]

More and more frequently, we hear members of the Bush administration crying about the evils of “lawfare” — the notion that foreign policy gets decided in courts, and government actors are paralyzed by future legal liability and unable to act boldly to protect us. You’d think the answer would be to clarify for those government actors what the rules are, so they might conform their behavior to protect themselves. But in the new Bush/Mukasey construction, rules tip off the enemy, so it’s better to make them up in secret as you go along.

At one point, Mukasey argues that he “can’t contemplate any situation in which this president would assert Article II authority to do something that the law forbids.” When Arlen Specter points to specific instances in which Bush has done just that — including laws banning torture, FISA, and the National Security Act — Mukasey takes a pass. What’s done is done.

This is particularly problematic when it comes to waterboarding.

Enter Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., as the ghost of Christmas Future. Even if Mukasey won’t opine on past water-boarding, might he give some future guidance for future torturers? “In your letter,” says Kennedy, “you wouldn’t even commit to refuse to bring water-boarding back, should the CIA want to do so. You wouldn’t take water-boarding off the table! … Under what facts and circumstances would water-boarding be lawful?”

But Mukasey won’t speculate about future water-boarding, either, claiming he will not be drawn into “imagining facts and circumstances that are not present and thereby telling our enemies exactly what they can expect in those eventualities.” He also refuses to tell “people in the field … what they have to refrain from or not refrain from in a situation that is not performing.”

Just to be clear then, to the extent that there is any purpose to the law, i.e., to punish past bad acts and to alert people as to what types of conduct will be punished in the future, the attorney general has just obliterated that purpose. Unless someone were to actually be water-boarded before Mukasey’s eyes at the witness table in the Hart Senate Building, America’s lawyer cannot hazard an opinion as to its legality.

Joe Biden, D-Del., gets Mukasey to obfuscate even further. Mukasey explains to Biden that the legal test for torture — conduct that “shocks the conscience” — has less to do with shocking the conscience than the exigency of the situation. Under his test, torture that “shocks the conscience” can be “balanced against the information you might get that couldn’t be used to save lives.” That’s not a legal rule. It’s a judgment call. Biden calls him out on it: “You’re the first person I’ve ever heard say what you just said … I just never heard the issue of torture discussed in terms of the relative benefit that might be gained from engaging in the technique.”

Jack Balkin helps summarize and translate the AG’s position:

You’re crazy if you think I’m going to admit that any of the interrogation practices previously performed by the Administration that just hired me are illegal. Saying that would suggest that people in the Administration violated the law and are subject to criminal prosecution, and that previous OLC opinions have condoned war crimes. The only thing I will tell you is that I sure hope we don’t continue one of these practices in the future (lucky for me you haven’t pressed me about the others!). But don’t ask me to say that the President can’t do any of them later on if he wants to. I mean, come on, guys, I just got here, you know? I just put new drapes in my office. I really don’t want to have to get fired only three months after I started.

Oh, and by the way, the President, my boss, never violates the law. Got that?

Loud and clear.

Ok, I now have a new standard the Dem contenders must meet before getting nommed: Which one is going to swear that their first act as President will be to have US Marshals come up to the podium and arrest Bush and Cheney for war crimes?

What this country needs is a legal version of Michael Corleone

  • When I wrote the various senators on the committe that approved Mukasey, I noted a number of points in opposition. But the one that, for me, stood out the most was that by putting in someone like Mukasey (as opposed to Abu Gonzales), who looks wisened, distinguished, educated, could form coherent sentences, etc., was that they would be putting a ‘kind’ and ‘acceptable’ face onto the conduct of this Sadministration. This would help immeasurably in the institutionalization of the conduct. Alas, this appears to be the case.

  • We knew all along Bush/Cheney couldn’t nominate anyone who might stand in their way. They just needed a smarter Gonzo. The real crime is that Senate Dems didn’t know that. Schumer and Specter were so disappointed the other day when Mukasey testified — what the hell did they expect when they confirmed the guy? Whether they’re just stupid, gullible or lazy, it amounts to complicity.

  • Not that this congress of wimps would, but the AG can also be impeached. But that would imply the remnants of the rule of law matter.

  • Chopin, agree, and also as we have seen, the Dems aren’t willing to impeach the actual criminals, the guys who broke the law. so I can’t see how they would even consider the guy who is merely defending the criminals.

  • What am I missing?

    On January 21, 2009 we get a new AG and a new Justice Department.

    The statute of limitations on certain crimes will still be open.

    People will still be able to make the claim that they were just following orders but we executed people in Nurenberg for following orders.

    Won’t people who broke the law under direct orders from the President be subject to prosecution? They might not be convicted because they were following orders but, even so, aren’t they subject to prosecution?

  • neil wilson @ 6: My guess is that a new AG (actually, everyone in a new administration) is going to have his hands full sorting through the disfunctional messes BushCo will have left behind to deal with past crimes. If I was a gambling man, I’d bet that no one goes down for anything they did in this administration. We’ll just move on.

  • Why not just assert Nixon’s line* and be done with it?

    * “if the President does it then it is not illegal”

  • Can someone ask Mukasey if murdering people in cold blood can safely be declared illegal? How about genocide? How about electoral fraud?

    I wonder if he would take any crime off the table.

  • Did anyone actually expect anything different from a Bush administration pick? Gonzales was a stupid man and a poor liar. Bush simply chose a smarter man who is a better liar.

  • Won’t people who broke the law under direct orders from the President be subject to prosecution?

    No.

    Because the next administration will be ready to “move along” and “heal the wounds of the nation” and “put the past behind us.” And “nothing will be served by opening these old wounds.”

    If a Republican takes the office (McCain or Romney) things will continue on this same trajectory.

    If Clinton takes office she’ll do the same thing that her husband did when get got the office after Bush the Elder – actively cover up the previous administration’s wrongdoing. She’s got an even better reason to do it than Bill did – investigations would force her to confront her own complicity in the events of the last 8 years while she was sitting in the Senate planning her presidential run.

    And Obama has pre-emptively cut off any chance of investigations by running on a kumbayah unity ticket. Any call from him for investigations will be flogged as “politics of division” and “politics as usual” and will be knecapped (if he’s even interested in investigations – nothing he’s said or done makes me think he wants to “open up partisan wounds” so to speak).

    The Dem Congress is currently opposed to investigations. And once Bush is out of office they’ll be even LESS inclined to investigate what happened under his watch. They’ll want this embarassing piece of history thrown down the memory hole as fast as possible so they can get to what THEY like to do – passing legislation and “getting work done”.

    Barring some dramatic information leak (and at this point I mean dramatic – like inmates at Gitmo being used as a massive sacrifice to Satan or something), no one will be punished for the events of the last eight years. And in a few decades, some of these bad actors will be back in the high halls of government again – advising Presidents and sitting in Cabinets.

  • Thank you, Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein, for insuring that we have another AG who ignores criminal behavior.

  • I wonder if he would take any crime off the table. — RacerX, @9

    Not, as long as it had been committed or allowed by the current excrescence. Now, if he knew that Clinton did it…

  • Reply to #14 Libra…

    Mucknasty did acknowledge in his testimony that it would not be acceptable interrogation techniques to use ‘rape’ or ‘maiming’. So what is there is ample evidence that those have already been used by U.S. interrogators.

    Ain’t that sweet of him! We must also remember that ‘we don’t torture’ is true… Because Bush the Junior had his AG define torture as being something other than what we do.

    As reported on Countdown, Mucknasty has a picture of George Orwell hanging in his office. Still trying to figure out if that is his equivalent of Bush’s smirk.

    Investigations??? History with Billary Clinton (Admin I) was that they pushed to drop investigations of Bush I involvement in IranGate. There is no reason to believe that the same attitude would not exist in a Clinton II about Bush II. If there is any hope of investigations during a next administration, it MUST BE OBAMA.

    NO MAS! 4 years Bush + 8 years Clinton + 8 years Bush = 20 years of the screwing of the American worker

  • Like Dixie, i was taken by the list of “techniques” Mukasey whipped out. You know, if we can’t use the rape technique, we really need tools like waterboarding.

    But i think the man summed it up and none have noticed. With his comments about weighing the “heinousness” of the act vs the information received, he has basically said that you commit the crime first, then decide based on what happens if it is indeed legal. So in the case of the torture tapes, they committed the crime and when weighed against the information it appeared they had committed torture, they destroyed the evidence. In Mukasey’s tenure, that means it’s over, simple, nothing happened.

    Another year of this…

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