Are registration boosts the silver lining to the Dems’ process?

A couple of weeks ago, the Washington Post noted a possible silver lining to the Democrats’ longer-than-expected fight for the nomination: a boost in the number of registered Democratic voters, spurred by an exciting primary fight. Pennsylvania’s Department of State noted, for example, that Dems have now topped 4 million registered voters, “the first time either party in the state has crossed that threshold.”

USA Today notes a similar trend this morning in most of the states hosting upcoming Democratic contests.

Nominating a Democratic presidential candidate has become a marathon, but primary voters are going the distance: Voter registration is surging in six of the eight states with upcoming Democratic primaries — a sign that turnout could continue to break records.

The hard-fought Democratic nomination contest between Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is making every primary critical. As a result, the late-voting states of Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky and Oregon have seen a boost in voter registration, state officials say.

Oregon, for example, saw 28,000 new voters register in January and February, and expects 25,000 more before the end of the month. In North Carolina, 165,449 new voters have registered since Jan. 1, and three-quarters of them are eligible to vote in the May 6 Democratic primary. Some states are seeing voters switch registration just so they can weigh in on the Clinton-Obama competition.

Finally, a silver lining to a prolonged and awkward intra-party fight?

Not necessarily.

Jonathan Chait argues today:

Some have gamely insisted that a long campaign actually helps the Democrats, as evidenced by high primary turnout and new voter registration in states like Pennsylvania. But, to believe this argument, you’d have to believe that many of the voters flocking to the primaries would otherwise not have voted in the general election — an absurdity, given that even the high Democratic primary turnout is a fraction of normal general election turnout. You’d have to ignore Obama’s foregone opportunities to start organizing nationally and making his general election pitch. And you’d have to explain away the fact that, in recent weeks, Obama has gone from leading McCain in the polls to trailing. (Clinton has trailed McCain for months; now her deficit is growing.)

For that matter, Noam Scheiber recently noted:

In order for [the increased registration numbers] to be much of a benefit, you’d have to show that the registration numbers wouldn’t be up if one candidate or the other had already locked up the nomination. Actually, you’d have to show more than that. You’d have to show that the registration numbers wouldn’t have ended up in the same place by November under either scenario. (For most states the general-election registration deadline is sometime in October.) I don’t think you can really make that case.

For one thing, if we had a nominee, that person would already be organizing a lot of states for the general. And all the evidence suggests he or she would be having a lot of success registering people as Democrats.

To be sure, the registration numbers are encouraging; it’s just probably not a compelling reason, in and of itself, to keep the race for the Democratic nomination going.

If Obama loses in November, we’ll have the McCain media and Hillary to blame.

If we’re lucky, the good people of New York will fire her when they get the chance in 2012.

  • I’ve voted for Sen. Clinton twice. No more unless she get the nomination. Then I will hold my nose and vote for her. If she loses the nomination I will support any true progressive who challenges her for NY’s Senate seat. I’m tired for her brand of centrism.

  • This weekend I was called by Gallop poll for the first time in my life. When asked whether I would vote for McCain or Hillary, I started to say McCain, the bit down on my tongue and changed my answer. The fact is that I would surely vote for her over McCain, though I would also hope for a good VP and a rapid impeachment. That said, I suspect a lot of other Dems treat these polls as a way to manipulate results rather than give a fairly accurate view. If 20% of Obama supporters and 20% of Clinton supporters did what I almost did, it’s quite likely McCain would show up as the favorite.

  • The only reason there is to keep this going is to keep the Hillary backers from killing us all by staying home in a huff. They want us to take them back with open arms, and if that’s what it takes to keep McCain out of the whitehouse then fine.

    But I hope they realize that Hillary will be the new Nader if we don’t win in November. If they think getting her to the convention is more important than keeping McCain from overturning Roe, then I’m not sure there’s a lot we can do about it.

    What we need is more superdelegates to smell the coffee and step up to the plate.

  • “Take them back with open arms.” Have Clinton supporters been banned from the party for not supporting Obama? Is there only one legitimate candidate in the Democratic party and if so how do you get to decide that?

  • NY Times

    “Margaret Campbell, a Montana state legislator, plans to declare her support for Senator Obama, of Illinois. She becomes the 69th superdelegate he has picked up since the Feb. 5 coast-to-coast string of primary elections and caucus votes.

    In the same period, Senator Clinton, of New York, has seen a net loss of two superdelegates [i.e. a net gain to Obama of 71 since super-Tuesday],…

    Mrs. Clinton tried again this weekend to stem the erosion, speaking to Ms. Campbell on a campaign swing through Montana. But Ms. Campbell declined to hold out any longer, saying, ‘Senator Obama reminds me of why I’m a Democrat.'”

    Sweet.

  • Clinton is well liked in her district because her constituents can see that she has been doing a good job for them. It is one thing to be against Clinton for president but when you knock the things she obviously does well, you just make yourselves sound petty and spiteful.

    As you all know (those of you over 18 yo), it takes commitment to drag yourself away from work or go out into foul weather or stand in a line instead of going home to dinner — in order to vote. Obama may be able to whip up enthusiasm at a rally sufficiently to get people to fill out a registration card shoved into their hands, but I doubt that people insufficiently interested in politics to have previously registered are going to overcome the obstacles to actually vote in the future, especially when campaign workers may not be around to hold their hands and tell them how visionary they are. That’s why in Texas Obama people were starting the caucus before the polls closed and adding names to their caucus lists during the voting — they knew they’d lose a percentage of their people if they had to wait a few hours.

    The press reports assume that new registrations are new voters. There’s no cross-referencing across party lines. When people who were previously Republicans re-register in order to vote in the Democratic primary, it is a huge assumption that they will stay Democrats in the general election. Further, I believe there are many Republicans who are genuinely ashamed of Bush and who believe their party abandoned them and are seeking a new home. Obama’s conservative appeal has targeted them. However, if McCain can convince them that it is respectable to be a Republican again and that he is different than Rove and Bush, I doubt they’ll stick with Obama. They have no genuine commitment to any Democratic party ideals, platform or the rest of the ticket. Obama sorta sounds good to them, without thinking about him too deeply.

    When you’ve been around for a while, you see these cyclic claims that hoardes of new voters are energized by some candidate (they said it with JFK and Carter) but it never amounts to much in the longer term. If Obama is nominated, I think it is a toss-up whether the “new” people will stick with him or turn out at all. Basing a campaign on them (e.g., needing them in order to win) is too risky. That’s why I agree with Clinton and her assessment that Obama cannot win (whether she actually said that to Richardson or not).

  • “… you just make yourselves sound petty and spiteful”

    “… Obama cannot win….”

    Odd juxtaposition from Mary’s post (#7)

  • Doesn’t come close to the spitefulness of Obama supporters who consider they own the party and do not wish to “take back ” Clinton’s supporters “with open arms” for their temerity in supporting a candidate other than Obama.

  • Is there only one legitimate candidate in the Democratic party and if so how do you get to decide that?

    A primary.

    He won it.

  • you see these cyclic claims that of new voters

    Nice to see that it’s the one at the front of the classroom who’s truly responsible for why Johnny and Joanie can’t read or spell. You a big believer in “Whole Language” Mary???

    Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach; those who can’t teach, become Mary.

  • Doubtful at 11

    Obama won few primaries. He won caucuses. Last time I looked he did not have
    the required 2025 delegates needed to win. Stay with facts please.

  • #13
    If we want polls to determine elections before the fact, why not just let Iowa or New Hampshire vote and forget about the rest of us. Would certainly save a lot of time.

  • Stay with facts please. -Partial

    LOL.

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    ‘Impartial’ means free from bias in judgment. Many of us are using intelligence, facts, and reality to influence our judgment.

    I’m glad you are comfortable being free of such constraints.

    The primary is over. Wake up.

    You lose. Good day, sir.

  • I am impartial; I’m simply pointing out that, in your partiality, you ignore facts as you did in the post above about Obama having won. This not yet a fact; no one has won. You want it that way so you are trying to prevent other people from having a choice.

  • I’m simply pointing out that, in your partiality, you ignore facts as you did in the post above about Obama having won. -Partial

    Obama hasn’t won in the same way McCain hasn’t won. But all of us living in reality on planet Earth know they are the nominees of their respective parties.

    All argument otherwise is nothing more than bias and/or ignorance.

  • when you knock the things she obviously does well, you just make yourselves sound petty and spiteful.

    If there’s one thing Mary knows well, it’s how to sound petty and spiteful.

    Well, that, and what it was like to live in 1930s Chicago.

  • While many of the original points are noteworthy, there’s at least one state in which they fail: Texas, where about as many people voted in the primary/caucus as did for Kerry in 2004.

    Obama won few primaries. — Impartial
    Fact check time.

    Obama won South Carolina, Alabama, Alaska, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Missouri, Utah, Louisiana, DC, Maryland, Virginia, Wisconsin, Vermont, Mississippi.

    Clinton won New Hampshire, Arizone, Arkansas, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Ohio, Rhode Island, Texas.

    Obama won more primaries even if you claim that Michigan and Florida were ‘won’ by Clinton and count Texas as just a primary. I believe he manages to pull just barely ahead even if you only look at primary delegates won. So if Obama won few primaries, where does that leave Clinton?

  • Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach; those who want to pretend they teach, become Mary.

    Fixed.

  • #18

    Obama hasn’t won in the same way that McCain has won. McCain has secured the delegates needed for his party’s nomination. Obama has not. That isn’t to say he wont
    and no one is denying reality except those who will not have the patience to wait until everyone has had a chance to weigh in. Patience is a mature virtue; instant gratification is something less than that.

  • #21

    I’ve read your personal insults toward Mary which you present in lieu of rational discussion.
    Do you even know Mary to pass such judgment on her teaching ability?. This really gets reduced to third grade level sometimes.

  • Here is a simple question: Do the remaining Hillary people here see their candidate as basically honest?

    I’ll bet I don’t get a resounding “yes” to that question. I’ll bet I get either no answer, or a bunch of BS about everyone else being even more dishonest than Hillary is, despite her Tuzla tarmac BS. And if the independent observer has any better way to get an insight into the Hillary-backer’s mindset, and why this race can be over without being over, I don’t know what it could be.

    “Impartial” says:

    Doesn’t come close to the spitefulness of Obama supporters who consider they own the party and do not wish to “take back ” Clinton’s supporters “with open arms” for their temerity in supporting a candidate other than Obama.

    Actually, the majority does “own” the Democratic party (to the extant that anyone ever does). This pisses you off. Fine. Luckily for us the superdelegates will not ratify your desire to overturn the will of the voters, because they (unlike you) care about what that would mean for the party.

    BTW, you are as free to support your losing candidate as the majority is to call you out as a bunch of dead-enders who seem bent on destroying the party. The odds of your candidate winning are as long as the odds against your retention of respect as you continue to inhabit your bunker.

  • McCain has secured the delegates needed for his party’s nomination. -Partial

    Holy shit. The Republicans had their convention already? How did I miss that? Because that’s the only way Partial’s statement could be right, and he wouldn’t lie to me, would he?

    Bzzz. You’re wrong.

    McCain and Obama are the nominees, despite neither of them having a single delegate cast a vote for them yet. All we have so far is projections, and if you think the projections favor Hillary over Obama, then I have an investment bank to sell you.

    It’s over. It’s been over for some time. It’s more over every day. When are you and the rest of the unhinged army going to wake up and realize it? Does it have to go to the convention to please you? So you can tank Obama’s chances and then tell us “I told you so,” when all along acting as a saboteur? Your foolish pride isn’t worth another four years of the same.

    Hillary has no shot and the negatives for continuing this campaign far outweigh any, if there are any, positives.

    Do you even know Mary to pass such judgment on her teaching ability? -Partial

    Why? Does she suddenly stop being ignorant when she’s not commenting? She’s been caught in enough lies for people to draw a supported conclusion. Again, just because your judgment is free of the constraints of facts, logic, and intelligence doesn’t mean ours is.

  • #24

    I am speaking out for the rights of voters; you seem interested in imposing your will on others, to the extent of saying that you will own the party when Obama wins. What happened to all that talk about healing divisions etc. Sure doesn’t sound like that now.
    And no, I don’t like that a portion of the party feels they own it; how is that different to Bush/Cheney’s approach to things. Are we trading for another set of the same? You sure make it sound like that.

    Further you know nothing about who I support; you are just making assumptions, and incorrect ones, in fact, because I don’t rubber-stamp your opinions.

  • I’m beginning to get a little sick of this bickering between self described liberals and progressives. The convention won’t be held until August and accordingly the game is still on. If you don’t like Barack, fine. But you don’t own the franchise on intelligence and honor. If you don’t like Hillary, fine. But don’t attempt to viscerate those who do. When this all started with nine of the finest candidates a single party has ever assembled I wasn’t hearing any of this shrill, intemperate castigation of other commenters. There was a respectful back and forth in an attempt to win over those who didn’t hold your particular view of a candidate. Now it’s degenerated into childish name calling. And to Tom Cleaver, good lord man. Seek anger management counseling. In the meantime, I’m out of here until I see some sense of decorum return.

  • Doubtful

    If you cant’ accept that McCain has sufficient promised delegates to win his party’s nomination, how can you possibly argue taht Obama has won?

    Holy shit! Did I miss the Democratic Convention?

    By the way, assuming that people who disagree with you are ignorant says something about you, not about them.

  • Impartial – what Doubtful is getting at is that there is no way Hillary will have more elected delegates than Obama by the time of the convention, even if she won by huge majorities in every remaining contest. The only way for her to win is for unelected delegates to overturn the will of the people at the convention after FOUR MORE MONTHS of infighting. Last I checked, that’s not a great way for a candidate to unify the party. I’d be saying the same thing if Obama were the one in Hillary’s position.
    That said, I think Hillary should stay in as long as she wants, so that you and Mary won’t be able to argue Obama’s nomination is illegitimate come August. If it takes going all the way through Puerto Rico to reach that point, so be it.
    But by the time Puerto Rico has voted, Hillary should read the writing on the wall and throw her support behind Obama. She’s too smart to try and win ugly at the convention.

  • By the way, assuming that people who disagree with you are ignorant says something about you, not about them. -Partial

    I’m not assuming anything. Clearly you were absent during Mary’s rousing discussion of Chicago’s African American demographics in the 1990s 1980s 1970s 1960s 1930s when she proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that she was in fact, ignorant.

    If you cant’ accept that McCain has sufficient promised delegates to win his party’s nomination, how can you possibly argue taht Obama has won? -Partial

    Irony. You’re doing it wrong.

    To wit, that’s exactly my point: if you accept that McCain has won, then you should also accept that Obama has won. People keep wallowing in loser talk,’Obama doesn’t have X number of delegates yet, blah, blah, blah.’ I merely pointed out that neither does McCain, but that doesn’t stop people from accepting him as the nominee.

    Thanks for restating my argument, though.

    Huckabee had the good sense to drop out. Hillary is short on good sense, it would seem.

  • Do you even know Mary to pass such judgment on her teaching ability?

    I know that anyone who refers to “Roads Scholarships” and thinks “Foreign Policy” is an accredited major is not, as they claim to be, a university professor.

    and I know that someone who insists that they lived in Chicago when it was 60% black when, as Census data shows, it has never been, is delusional. (When this was pointed out to her, she said she never said when she lived there, and in the 1930s Chicago was probably 60% black. Leaving side the fact that would make her in her 90s, Chicago was only about 6% black.)

    I tried dealing with Mary as a rational person for about a month here, long before you showed up. But dealing with her rationally didn’t work. And since she kept on insulting our intelligence with her lies and delusions, I decided to start insulting her in return.

  • I support Obama.
    The only reason I’m not welcoming Hil supporters back with open arms is I’ve never been under the impression they’ve left.

    They’re merely living in a state of denial that I will patiently wait for them to recover from.
    Or perhaps I’m the one who’ll need to be relieved of delusion if Hil pulls off a convention coup.

    I’ve heard ONE Hilary supporter say he won’t support Obama if he wins.

    The opposite is not the case, though.
    Perhaps it’s the kinds of memes coming from the Hil campaign. “He’s not CinC material, but McCain is.” “He can’t win!” The lack of self-restraint is making plenty of enemies and not appreciably increasing her chances of victory even within the primary.

    It is Obama supporters who will need to be welcomed back because there are some very angry Dems who will not lightly forgive their battered kneecaps. Forget open arms… think flowers, a box of candy, and months of “marital counseling”. A chihuahua would have to squeeze into the doghouse she’s building for herself.

  • Geez, you Obama guys are sour grapes.

    Um … how exactly?

    “Sour grapes” refers to a situation in which you don’t get what you want, and then claim you never wanted it to begin with. We want Obama to get the nomination and it’s pretty clear that’s going to happen.

  • Geez, you Obama guys are sour grapes. -Crissa

    Well, if we’re sour grapes, you Clintonistas are w(h)ine. Smashed up, aged, and too much of you makes people sick. 😉

    We all just want what’s best for the country.

  • One of the newspapers here in Oregon mentioned last week that there are at least 3600 confirmed Republicans who switched parties in order to vote in the democratic primary.

    Some of them were interviewed and actually admitted that they are going to vote for Hillary because they think she will be easier to beat by McCain than by Obama.

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