Are we still on the Muslim thing?

I’d assumed that one of the few side benefits of the Jeremiah Wright controversy is that no one, anywhere, could still possibly believe that Barack Obama is a Muslim. After all, everyone in the country got to see a whole lot of Obama’s Christian pastor and his Christian church. It’s hard to imagine anyone still buying this foolishness.

And yet, in the NYT/CBS poll (pdf) released yesterday, respondents were asked if they knew what Obama’s religious affiliation is. A clear majority (60%) said they didn’t know, while 7% said they believe him to be a Muslim. Oddly enough, the same percentage came to the same conclusion in a NYT/CBS poll five months ago. Some lies are apparently hard to kill.

(The news wasn’t much better among Democratic primary voters in the poll, 6% of whom also falsely believe Obama is a Muslim.)

Remarkably, the right isn’t just reveling in the public confusion; it’s still trying to help perpetuate it. The National Review’s Lisa Schiffren felt compelled to publish this item yesterday:

Barack Obama has emphatically denied that he was ever a Muslim, practicing or otherwise. Other people, including family members and teachers, remember things differently. Daniel Pipes collects the varying information here. Several elementary-school teachers in Indonesia have told reporters that he was enrolled as a Muslim — and thus studied Koran instead of the Catechism — at the Catholic school he attended. One of his various half sisters says it too, and several passages in his autobiography seem to indicated [sic] the same thing.

Make of it what you will. Certainly that he may have been educated or raised Muslim is no disqualifier, but if he is lying about his upbringing for political acceptance, it speaks to character. We don’t know if he is, but we know Daniel Pipes is no crank.

First, let’s not lose sight of the notion that the National Review is supposed to be one of the more mainstream conservative publications, not just some fringe C-list blog. And yet, this is what NRO is publishing.

Second, the notion that Daniel Pipes “is no crank” is debatable.

Matthew Duss sets the record straight.

I tend to regard cranks as mostly harmless eccentrics, like people who believe that our planet was seeded by aliens who will soon return to harvest us, or people who design and construct hugely complicated machines to perform odd combinations of simple household tasks, or Dr. Phil. There’s nothing harmless about Daniel Pipes, a right wing scholar-activist who, since 9/11, has made a career of trafficking in hoary old Orientalist stereotypes in order to stoke Americans’ prejudice against, and fear of, Islam.

Pipes runs the Middle East Forum, an organization which answers the question “What if the John Birch Society had its own think tank?” Pipes also oversees Campus Watch, a project that keeps tabs on scholars it deems to be insufficiently pro-Israel.

Last summer Pipes spearheaded a campaign against the Khalil Gibran International Academy in New York, a public school focused on Arab culture and language. The campaign eventually caused the resignation of the school’s principal, Debbie Almontaser. Pipes based his hostility to the school on what he called “the basic problems implicit in an Arabic-language school: the tendency to Islamist and Arabist content and proselytizing.” Needless to say, Pipes offered no evidence for that claim.

In keeping with his stated belief that Arab- and Muslim-Americans deserve to be subjected to “special scrutiny,” Pipes apparently thinks the question of whether Barack Obama ever practiced Islam as a child is so important to the future of the American republic that, since December, he has penned three different articles on that subject, always making sure to apply a thin veneer of “scholarly rigor” over what is in fact nothing more than an attempt to smear by insinuation and innuendo. Despicable.

It’s no longer clear where the “crank” line exists among the conservative mainstream, or even if the line exists at all. Either way, it’s a mistake to take Pipes seriously. He’s one of the nation’s leading professional Muslim-haters, and he’s been responsible for trying to smear Obama with this nonsense for quite some time.

That National Review would peddle such stupidity leads me to think that maybe, just maybe, The Corner is not a reliable outlet for credible political content.

By now we know that the right’s (and, sadly, Clinton’s) strategy against Obama will be predicated on perpetuating the vague image of him as Scary Black Man.

It’s crucial that misty questions about his religion (the two-pronged approach of suggesting he’s a Muslim while attacking his Christian church for having a pastor who keeps talking in non-conciliatory ways about Black Stuff) and everyone he’s ever known (he’s acquainted with William Ayers! Maybe he’s a secret Black Panther circa 1967!) continue to circulate, supporting the theory that although he talks pretty–and pretty good for a black guy–he is Not Like Us and has Something to Hide.

  • Don’t forget that upwards of 75% of the people that voted for Bush in 2004 still believed that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. 75%!! And that was after W admitted there was no connection.

    It’s a sad fact that authoritarian conservatives fall into two categories: 1] the leaders [think Cheney] who shovel out lies to gain power; and 2] the followers who will believe anything they are told by the authoritarian leaders, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

    There are going to be plenty of people who will believe Obama is a Muslim somehow related to Saddam Hussein simply because it’s a convenient lie told to them by one of these crackpots.

  • When you let “conservative” billionaires own enough of the media, the “cranks” only turn left.

    Thanks, Bill Clinton!

  • I think the disconnect between the Wright controversy and the ‘Obama is a muslim’ is that many people see Mr.Wright on the dais, waving his arms and such, and equate this behavior with Islam more than Christian hokum.

    Also, tying this in with the previous post, isn’t Mr. Pipes an advisor or something to Hon. Sen. McCain?

  • even if he was a Muslim…so what? i still like him better than any of the other candidates.

  • I have to say, being an effete liberal elitist and a scary black Muslim fundamentalist at the same time is pretty damn impressive.

    Seriously, The Corner? That’s as close to an intelligence-free zone as you’ll find without going some place like Townhall.

  • unfortunately, the worst kind of ignorance hates to be made aware of itself. when it is challenged with factual information, it becomes belligerant and counter producvitely retreats deeper into the false comfort and self destructive quagmire of stupidity.

  • Poor Daniel Pipes – after Guiliani lost miserably, he needs something to do.

  • 7% is nothing. I wouldn’t be surprised if more than 7% are confused about their own religious affiliation.

  • Second, the notion that Daniel Pipes “is no crank” is debatable.

    No. When you look up “crank” in the dictionary, you’ll find a picture of Daniel Pipes. That fuckwit is a crank’s crank.

  • Oh well, we always get what we deserve in America. The more stoopid we become, the worse it’s going to get.

    It looks like that (horrible) movie Idiocracy is proving prophetic.

  • There’s a reason Sadly, No, calls it “America’s Shittiest Website” (TM)

  • You forgot to list that Pipes was (and maybe still is ) a paid political adviser to Benajmin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon.

    He was paraded as a talking head Representative of/to the Israeli Embassy during the recent unpleasantness in Southern Lebanon.

    Not sure if paid representation of a foreign power would be considered treason but Mr Pipes’s patriotism should be questioned….I mean does he wear a flag pin and if he does is it an American flag pin or an Israeli flag pin?

    that was snark BTW.

  • it would also seem that belligerant ignorance is offended by and considers the higher intellect of progressively aquired and factual wisdom a threat to it’s survival as a symbiotic predator and parasite within the human consience.

    i can’t recall the exact book or verse but, there is a biblical passage that eludes to or outrite states and blames this lack of wisdom/knowing as the reason for the suffering of the masses…go figure

  • Loki, as I said, America usually gets what it deserves.

    Stupid is as stupid does….not that I actually like to quote a movie that celebrates the obsequience of the American experience.

  • ed, i don’t think that all of America deserves to be damned by the stupid….i believe that God has and i pray will continue to bless America for the sake of those of us who reject divisive ignorance and intollerance in favor of wisdom of unity…..amen

  • “Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats.”
    -Henry Louis Mencken

  • make that scary black man AND liberal wasp elitist.

    We should make a list of all the things he is or has been this campaign season…

    scary Muslim in hiding and racist Christian

    too white and too black

    Others?

  • Others?

    Not masculine enough/aggressively male in his “bullying” of poor Hillary

    Lightweight on policy/too wonkish for “ordinary” Americans

    Flaming liberal/Reagan disciple

  • Others…

    Lawyerly
    Inexperienced
    Urbane
    Elite
    Arab

    And my favorite so far: Exotic!

  • loki,
    Sorry, but I just can’t refrain from commenting on your posts that celebrate factual wisdom. Such bits carry a lot more heft when they’re not RIFE with misspellings. It’s one thing to misspell a word or two, but it makes you look like a semi-literate poseur who likes to assemble big words in a pile.

  • Schiffren: “Several elementary-school teachers in Indonesia have told reporters that he was enrolled as a Muslim — and thus studied Koran instead of the Catechism — at the Catholic school he attended.”

    In Indonesia, Obama attended a Catholic school for a time, then was enrolled in the state-sponsored (Muslim) school, which was secular, not religious.

    Schiffren seems to have combined the two.

    Obama’s father was Muslim and his mother practiced no religion. His father left the family when Barack was 2 or 3. Hardly proof that young Barack was raised a Muslim. Not that there’s anything wrong with being a Muslim…

    This is so tiresome.

  • Perhaps the misunderstanding stems from Daniel Pipes’ past.
    I’ve been sent his articles by a right winger friend of mine and his first posts were actually GOOD.

    His central premise was that America’s most effective weapon against radical Islam is moderate Islam. He seemed to adhere to my view that embracing our peace-lovjng moderate Muslims will put a very inconvenient check on any recruiting efforts that nutjob Muslims would attempt, reporting it or talking the frustrated hotheads into peaceful political action.

    More recent posts harp on what’s mentioned here: Obsession about professors and schools insufficient condemning Islam, anti-zionism, and lord knows what else is up his craw this week.

    Such a shame… ALMOST had an ally on the right.

  • Ed, I think you mean obsequiousness, not “obsequience,” which, as far as my OED and I know, is not a word.

  • Jim, you’re right; I meant to change it before posting but my actual job became a distraction!

    And, for the record, I too would like to see the better half of America prevail over the ‘bitter’ WWE voting block. It’s just so hard these days. Watching the most inspiring orator and politician of my lifetime be reduced to an ‘elitist, America-hating closet Muslim’ has sapped my strength. I’ve tried to imagine some parallels in American history and can only come up with America rejecting Franklin D. Roosevelt’s candidacy in 1932 because he couldn’t walk or Kennedy losing to Nixon in 1960 because of JFK’s association with the Catholic Church.

  • lol! pipes NOT a crank. please. he recently resurfaced as a leader in a movement to scuttle an attempt by a moderate muslim woman to open a school in nyc.

    and that’s part of a broader movement.

    the times explains: “[opposing the school] was also the work of a growing and organized movement to stop Muslim citizens who are seeking an expanded role in American public life. The fight against the school, participants in the effort say, was only an early skirmish in a broader, national struggle. “It’s a battle that’s really just begun,” said Daniel Pipes, who directs a conservative research group, the Middle East Forum, and helped lead the charge against Ms. Almontaser and the school.”

    ugly stuff.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/nyregion/28school.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=danial%20pipes%20muslim%20school&st=cse&oref=slogin

  • Sigh.

    Despite all the vitriolic hyperbole on this website, the bottom line is a basic fact
    about Obama, agreed upon more-or-less by all reasonable reporters.

    Here’s Pipes formulation:

    “In sum: Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim who rarely or occasionally prayed with his step-father in a mosque. This precisely substantiates my statement that he “for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father.”

    http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

    Does that sound like fanaticism, either on Pipes’ part or Obama’s? I sure don’t think so.

    Okay, so it’s a fact that Obama for a few years was raised a social Muslim, in a country [Indonesia] where *you have to declare your religion* and his Muslim step-father got to fill in the forms. BFD. I have lots of friends who were raised social Christians or social Jews, but it really doesn’t say much about their personalities or abillities, one way or the other.

    A flat denial of ever being a Muslim would be a lie. Barrack Hussein Obama should just articulate how he grew up with that “Muslim” box checked between ages x and y and then later grew up as whatever else between ages y and z and then as an adult joined a black liberation theology church from z to now.

    When a person starts to lie about basic things, it does go to their credibility, so you should expect that Obama will have to deal with it in the fall if he wins the top slot on the Dem side. He presents himself as a new type of person, honest and interpid, but [they will argue] acts pretty much like every other politician, lying whenever it suits him. This and the Wright thing will be Obama’s swift boat, striking him on his strengths [or eroding his branding, as you will]

    Honestly, the best way out of this crud I see for the Dems is if Clinton and Obama can negotiate a ticket with her at the top and him at the bottom. (If he can get the top slot, he would be better off picking a different woman for the bottom.) That way, no one really loses and he can spend the next four years as VP before getting kicked out in 2012, then back in 2016 for four years at the top.

    But that’s just me.

  • @ 31: Honestly, the best way out of this crud I see for the Dems is if Clinton and Obama can negotiate a ticket with her at the top and him at the bottom.

    How do you figure that? I think it’s a fair assessment to make that any VP in a Hillary Clinton White House will be invisible, overshadowed by both her and her husband. I would no more expect Obama to want that position that I’d expect Clinton to be VP under him (she has her eye on the prize, and will not accept anything less, regardless of how effective she might be in a VP role).

  • Mr. Obama, was it your Muslim upbringing that gave you the false impression that Rev. Wright was representative of Christianity when you went shopping for churches to further your political career?

  • 7% is nothing. I wouldn’t be surprised if more than 7% are confused about their own religious affiliation.

    LOL! Grumpy, that is brilliant.

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