Barnes explains Bush’s ‘strategy for combating terrorism’

The Bush administration’s counter-terrorism policy seems hopelessly confused. Based on the current policy, we’re not reducing the number of terrorists, we’re not curtailing the number of terrorist attacks, and we’re not addressing the root causes of terrorism. If there’s a logic to this method, it’s hiding well.

Thankfully, the president explained his philosophy to the Weekly Standard’s Fred Barnes this week during a White House interview.

We now know why the Bush administration hasn’t made the capture of Osama bin Laden a paramount goal of the war on terror. Emphasis on bin Laden doesn’t fit with the administration’s strategy for combating terrorism. Here’s how President Bush explained this Tuesday: “This thing about . . . let’s put 100,000 of our special forces stomping through Pakistan in order to find bin Laden is just simply not the strategy that will work.”

Rather, Bush says there’s a better way to stay on offense against terrorists. “The way you win the war on terror,” Bush said, “is to find people [who are terrorists] and get them to give you information about what their buddies are fixing to do.”

At a minimum, I’m glad to hear the president’s thoughts on the issue, if for no other reason because I was convinced he was making up the policy as he went along. At least now I understand what Bush thinks is an effective counter-terrorism strategy.

Of course, there’s the downside to his approach: it’s misguided and ineffective.

When Bush says the key to success is getting suspected terrorists to “give [us] information,” we now know the president is talking about abusive techniques, which the administration euphemistically calls “an alternative set of procedures,” but which are more accurately described as torture.

This is not, however, the way to “win the war on terror,” because as a means of intelligence gathering, it doesn’t offer what we need.

Military leaders argued this week that they did not believe abusive tactics worked in extracting information.

“No good intelligence is going to come from abusive practices. I think history tells us that. I think the empirical evidence of the last five years, hard years, tell us that,” said Lt. Gen. John Kimmons, the Army’s deputy chief of staff for intelligence.

Information extracted by abusive tactics was of questionable credibility, Kimmons said. Moreover, any good that came from the information would be undercut by the damage to America’s reputation once the abuse became known.

“And we can’t afford to go there,” he said.

Of course, practical concerns aside, there’s also supposed to be a moral component to American policy. Torture doesn’t work, but it’s probably worth remembering, from time to time, that the United States is supposed to be better than this.

Nevertheless, when it comes to the president’s ideas on the issue, the last week or so have been elucidating but tragically disconcerting. We’ve seen him brag about torture, lie about torture, and now insist that torture is literally the best way to win a war on terror.

Only 858 days to go….

So the Bush Doctrine is to let them plot, grab them, get them to tell us the plots, then brag to America about the next great plot you have stopped.

Just finding and killing Osama bin Laden is a bad idea because….

there would be no new plots to brag about foiling.

So this is the Republican’t strategy for a permenant ‘majority’. Keep America scared and confused, while refusing to spend the money to actually end the situtation we find ourselves in. Every war except the Cold War, we went all out to defeat the enemy. Ronald Reagan’s supporters claim he ended the Cold War by bankrupting our enemies. To do that here (as someone wrote yesterday) we just have to create an alternate fuel/energy economy and bankrupt the Wahhabists in Saudi Arabia that are bankrolling our enemies.

But you can’t expect that from two Texas Oilmen.

We need to impeach Dick Cheney in 2007. If you see/hear some Republican’t kool-aid drinker claiming that a Democratic victory in 2006 means investigations, just stand in his face and tell him that’s what America deserves.

  • Future gastroenterologists will marvel at the case of Fred Barnes, who for eight years in the early 21st century actually lived on a daily diet of pure bullshit.

  • I don’t wish to diminish the importance of this, as too many people have suffered and died for this cabal of criminals, the Bush Bunch. But…
    Could this be referred to as tortured logic?
    Just thinking about Bush is torture.
    God, I just need some humor.

  • let me ‘splain it: we got a couple dozen of them there number two quality islamofascists. i went to harvard and yale. i AM the mba preznit and let me tell you, that’s way better than one number one islamofascist.

  • The only problem with your argument is that ever since about 1872, when the Republican Party decided that making scads of money was more important than any moral calling (remember, the party was founded on the moral calling of abolition of slavery), they have always been less than what America is supposed to be about, since they can’t see beyond the ends of their own noses when it comes to self-interest.

  • “information about what their buddies are fixing to do”

    You just have to love someone with such a tremendous command of the English language…

  • “get them to give you information about what their buddies are fixing to do.”
    makes Bush a torturist
    (of both terrorists and linguists)

  • Since Bush’s policies and heavy-handed actions in the Middle East continue to fuel recruitment for organizations that feel violence is an answer to their anger, we’ll always be behind the game in trying to catch them. At least Bush was honest enough to hint to the fact that he has basically adopted the “whack a mole” strategy against terrorism.

  • Rather, Bush says there’s a better way to stay on offense against terrorists. “The way you win the war on terror,” Bush said, “is to find people [who are terrorists] and get them to give you information about what their buddies are fixing to do.”

    Aww, damn. I wanted to make some joke like “and then we’ll send them to the hoe-down at Billy Bob’s!” but I see everyone else has beat me to it.

    Question: is he actually such a rube, or does he think that acting like one is good politics and(/or) good leadership? If the latter, is he right? (Oh, hell, I don’t want to know.)

  • “is he actually such a rube, or does he think that acting like one is good politics and(/or) good leadership? If the latter, is he right?” – Cyrus

    One of the “charges” slung at the Clinton/Gore administration is that they were a bunch of policy wonks (true) and that this was bad (false).

    Is it good politics? No! Gore won the election in 2000, remember. Americans actually want knowledgeable and competent leadership. But you can’t explain this to Boy George II because he doesn’t want to know how unpopular and unwanted his is (hence, the bubble boy policy).

  • I don’t think Bush gives a damn about the effectiveness of torture, either as a method of extracting information or as a sap to his knuckle-dragging, salivating base (in two senses of that word, incidentally). I really think he enjoys torture for its own sake. His record as a torturer fits in with his proud record as the governor with the most executions to his “credit”.

  • @10 “Since you claim these things are legal Mr. President, is it safe to say that the Administration won’t complain when these things are done to American POWs?”

    No worries. That won’t be a problem according to the brilliant and insightful Mr. Cornyn:

    “Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, who supports the administration, said he did not think the Bush plan would endanger U.S. troops because al-Qaida doesn’t take prisoners. “The prisoners they do take they behead,” he said.”

    OK, so that’s a relief. No need for our soldiers to worry they’ll be tortured. Or rescued. And it’s also a relief to know the only people the US will ever fight are Al-Qaida members.

    Some possible good news: Powell has stepped in:

    “Former Secretary of State Colin Powell on Thursday said that Congress must not pass Bush’s proposal to redefine U.S. compliance with the Geneva Conventions, a treaty that sets international standards for the treatment of prisoners of war.

    Powell sent a letter to Sen. John McCain R-Ariz., one of the rebellious* lawmakers seeking limits to legislation on interrogations, in the latest sign of GOP division over White House security.”

    *Yes, the writer used the word rebellious.

  • While I can’t say I have a problem (in theory) with getting captured terrorists giving information on their “buddies” I do wonder if all of the captured are terrorists, they could get the information from the terrorists without torturing, and in generaly do this in a way that, you know, works. I don’t know how much I believe that it does. This administration hasn’t done much of anything right. And while I know the bureaucrats are doing the doing and some were in place before and likely to be in place after this president, I don’t have faith that the appointed leadership is managing the system well from any perspective (except possibly the political and that is increasingly in doubt as well).

    Capturing bid Laden is important, capturing other terrorists are important – neither should be exclusive. Just because the president has a one track mind, a short attention span, and the ability to only focus on one thing at a time, doesn’t mean every other element of the government and every person in the government needs to follow suit. I know that people like to mirror the top guy to get ahead, but this is ridiculous.

  • “I really think he enjoys torture for its own sake. His record as a torturer fits in with his proud record as the governor with the most executions to his “credit”.” – Ed Stephan

    I’d say he enjoys a thrill in knowing he has ordered torture (and executions), just as he enjoys a thrill knowing he has ordered American Soldiers and Marines into battle (and to their deaths, by the way). It’s the thrill of knowing he is a ‘big man’ whom all those PhDs and Generals obey. He’s not a frat boy business failure (multiple times) anymore. No, now he commands “Respect” (delusional in that he does not get out of his bubble and misses the afronts (Chinese letting him push on a locked door πŸ˜‰ ) thrown in his direction).

    I don’t know that he would actually have the perversion of character to actually waterboard someone himself, much less enjoy it. He might, but I have no grounds on which to base a belief that he does.

  • Hmmm, a knuckle dragging, salivating base?

    You are all a bunch of wimps. Thank God this generation didn’t have to fight World War II, or we’d still be pondering the reasons why Pearl Harbor was attacked instead of actually fighting the Japanese.

    I question the patriotism of all of you.

    We had the “measured approach to terror” President in the 90s. It didn’t work. I’m not a huge fan of some of the things GWB does, but when the alternative is the “Do nothing except socialism” party, count me in with GWB.

  • SWilliam you are an idiot. Torture does not work. It is immoral. It is dangerous to our troops. THAT is reality.
    But you are with the Regal Moron on this, and we are wimps because of what we see as incompetence. GWB and you are too deluded (or outright stupid) to acknowledge reality.
    Go back to Rush.

  • SWilliam — Yeah, it’s simplying amazing that we won the fight against millions of Japanese and German soldiers without employing torture. What were we thinking.

  • In bizarro world…

    Bush: “The way you win the war on terror….”

    America: “Hold it right there Mr. President, the way we win the war on terror is by impeaching you and Cheney, and getting a smarter, less evil person in the Oval Office”

  • “This thing about . . . let’s put 100,000 of our special forces stomping through Pakistan in order to find bin Laden is just simply not the strategy that will work.”

    Three points. First, does Bush really think that we have 100K special forces? Second, why didn’t he use the same strategy on Saddam that he is using on terrorists? By that I don’t mean torture, but rather I mean try to find people who know what Saddam was “fixin’ ta do”. Finally, why did it make sense to put 100K+ troops into Iraq when it didn’t make sense to do it in Pakistan?

  • SWilliam,

    If you were as smart as you are brave you would see why your comments make no sense what so ever. Anyone can adopt a position of kill em all. It will result in many dead and many living enemies.

    Let’s review some WWII history should we?
    1) FDR was a Democrat
    2) On December 8th 1941 we did not launch an attack on Toyko.
    3) WWII took less time to win once America got involved than it has taken us to make a bloody mess in Irqa (which in case you missed it was not involved in 9/11)
    4) Congress declared war on Germany and Japan. Show me a declaraton of war.

    On to the actual topic on this thread. Why can’t we capture terrorist “who lurk” and “hate freedom” so we can find out about more terror plots AND capture UBL for the very same reason.

    “We had the “measured approach to terror” President in the 90s. It didn’t work.” -SWilliam

    Let’s look at this…1993 WTC was bombed. This was the first year of the Clinton Presidency so before you go off blaming Clinton for 9/11 let’s remember that by that logic the 1993 attack was Bush 41’s fault). We did not invade any countries but we did capture, bring to trial, sentence and incarsarate the people who planned and executed the attack. No acts of foriegn terrororitst (in the US) occurred for the next 8 years until 2001. Clinton’s approach to the 1993 bombing removed actual terrorists from the population, involved no killing, resulted in justice, and AND his policy produced 8 terror free years.

    Bush had a terror attack in the first year of his presidency. So far we have invaded 2 countries, killed tens of thousands, captured nobody responsible for the attack, shreaded our Constitution, and turned most of the world against us.

    It is quite clear that you need a little reality check. Let me close in the immortal words of our Vice President, Dick Cheney: SWilliam “Go Fuck Yourself!”

  • 100,000 troops = military approach

    “find people [who are terrorists] and get them to give you information about what their buddies are fixing to do.” = intelligence and law enforcement approach

    putting torture aside for a moment (making people comfortable, safe and secure can lead to more intelligence than torture), isn’t the intelligence and law enforcement approach the “measured approach to terror”, Ummm, SWilliam?

    And don’t forget, GW himself said back before the 2004 election, that we could not win the war on terror. So, is Bush finally getting around to recommending the Kerry, “sensitive” strategy?

  • I was going to respond that it’s as if Bush thinks he is living in a movie, like Rambo or even a cop show, where the guy who loses it and really lets go with the enemy/suspect gets what he wants. But after reading Ed Stephan and Lance, I believe I agree with the sociopath analysis, seriously. He absolutely fits the profile. Fooling just enough of the people all the time. I think he really just likes the trappings, the attention, I don’t think he gives a fuck about the nation or much of anything else. He is a narcisistic sociopath. End of story. The question is how to get the rest of the gov’t and the body politic to know this and act (the ones who just use it to line their pockets anyway). fool us once shame on you – fool us all the time – and it’s over.

  • “You are all a bunch of wimps.” – troll

    No we are not. We want to find Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. It’s the Boy George II who is a wimp. Not able to tell the Pakistani to suck it up and clean up the Tribal Areas.

    “You are all a bunch of wimps.” – troll

    No we are not. We think we ought to pay for this war, not borrow the money from the Communist Chinese. Are you looking forward to the yellow hordes marching in and grabbing your home for payment?

    “You are all a bunch of wimps.” – troll

    No we are not. We aren’t so scared of a ten thousand al Qaeda trainees that we hide under our covers and wet our beds and ask Dick Cheney to take away our freedoms so that the bogymen won’t hate us anymore.

  • Whizzzzzzz!

    Look what just buzzed over Buzz! I’m sorry if you can’t appreciate a good puton. Or even a bad one like moi^h^h^hme.

  • Scratch that last one (where’s an edit feature when you need it?). I see what’s happening here, both me and Buzz actually tried reading that Fred Barnes link. That’s what I get for ignoring the little ‘ping!’ sounds as brain cells started going.

    Anywho, back to the program:

    Buzz, come quick. Pull my finger!

  • “We had the “measured approach to terror” President in the 90s. It didn’t work. I’m not a huge fan of some of the things GWB does, but when the alternative is the “Do nothing except socialism” party, count me in with GWB.”

    Does anyone remember when America was the moral leader? The exemplar of the way things should be done?

    Now, we run to embrace the brutality of the people we claim to be superior to.

  • I’m glad most of the commenters here aren’t running this show. Why spend resources chasing one guy in a cave on the other side of the world when he has many combatants already in the field? Aren’t US resources better utilized by disrupting attacks and wreaking havoc throughout the network?

    Focusing solely on Bin Laden is a weak attempt to return to the criminal theory of terrorism. Clearly that didn’t work for Clinton. So how about we try something a little different in this decade?

    Oh yeah, and before you all cry that Bush has created more terrorists (yes, that’s true), you have to realize that Bin Laden already trained more than 10,000 jihadists in the 1990s. Bush’s public fight against them has helped their numbers to grow. But at least he’s not sending them subpoenas.

  • Prevention prevaricates and indulges in revisionist history and construction of strawmen.

    WHO, pray tell, advocates “focusing solely” on Bin Laden? Are you saying that you, like your Dear Leader, do not think that much about Bin Laden? Are you saying you do not wish he and Zawahiri were in our custody? Are you saying you do not believe the world would be a safer place with UBL and Z out of circulation? Does the strategy for “wreaking of havoc throughout the network” include the gloomy depiction (painted by our own military) of the political situation in Anbar province? Heckuva job, Rummy.

    I bet you were in the “Wag the Dog” gaggle when Clinton tried to serve Bin Laden a subpoena via cruise missile. You don’t seem to be able to make up your mind whether Clinton “focused solely on Bin Laden” (since you think that did not work out for him) or did not focus on him enough. Pardon me while I step away to pick my chin up from off the ground. Are you also a member in good standing of the Boy George’s Coulter Club and believe that things are going “swimmingly” in Afghanistan? Do you seriously feel that the mission there was truly “accomplished” before BushCo veered off into Iraq? What do you think about the recent reporting that Rumsfeld threatened to “fire” any planner of the Iraq campaign who mentioned the need to plan for the aftermath of Saddam’s removal? Do you think “Splendid, Rummy, splendid?” If none of this has ever given you pause, I would have to say that denial is a strategy that works for you nearly as well as it works for your Dear Leader.

  • Imagine telling the Allies after World War II that hunting down ex-Nazis was a waste of time.

    Imagine telling the Israelis that their “obssession” with Eichmann wasn’t going to solve anything.

    Imagine telling the Bosnian Muslims that you weren’t going to go after Milosevic for the crimes he committed.

    I don’t see going after bin Laden as a act of futility. This monster is responsible for killing thousands of my fellow Americans and many other innocent people. To not make it an effort to hunt him down and either be cut in half by a hail of bullets, or brought to trial to answer for his crimes, is both negligent and criminal in itself, and only goes to show the weakness and incompetence of those leading this country.

    I don’t care if bringing bin Laden down ends terrorism or not. I just want justice for those whom he has murdered.

    God save the Republic, both from those that wish to defeat it AND those who aren’t fit to lead it.

  • Nice try, TuiMel. Capturing Bin Laden and punishing him for his acts of murder is absolutely an important goal. However, one must ask how best to use limited resources. Forget politics for a moment and focus on the reality of the situation. It’s a sad state of affairs when the left/right prism is the only way people can view this conflict.

    And you may call it revisionist history, but the fact remains that nearly everyone (Bush I, Clinton, Bush II) thought of terrorism as a criminal problem in the pre-9/11 era, and that ultimately, that approach does not work. That is sufficiently documented in all the literature and formal studies on the topic.

  • “… nearly everyone (Bush I, Clinton, Bush II) thought of terrorism as a criminal problem in the pre-9/11 era, and that ultimately, that approach does not work… all the literature and formal studies on the topic.”
    If you find even one of “… all the literature and formal studies on the topic” that support you, link to it.
    Clinton: score of dead US citizens, terrorists convicted, US esteemed, 8 years free of terrorist attacks on US citizens.
    Bush: thousands of dead US citizens, terrorist leader free and active, US execrated, tens of thousands of innocent Arabs dead, thousands of our troops dead, another 100 innocent Iraqis dead daily.
    Obviously your definition of “what works” differs from ours; I’d like to see it.

  • “If you find even one of “… all the literature and formal studies on the topic” that support you, link to it.”

    Actually Janus, I’m referring to books… something that you probably haven’t read in quite some time.

    For your reference, see “The Age of Sacred Terror: Radical Islam’s War Against America” by Daniel Benjamin & Steven Simon

    “Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror” by Michael Scheuer

    “Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror” by Richard Clarke.

    —————

    “Clinton: score of dead US citizens, terrorists convicted, US esteemed, 8 years free of terrorist attacks on US citizens.”

    What do you call the 1993 WTC bombing? What about the Kobar Towers? What about Murray Federal Building? What about the USS Cole? All were terrorist attacks committed in thye Clinton Administration’s watch. Certainly more than a “score” killed.

    Not surprisingly, you misundertsand my point. The criminalization of terrorism doesn’t work. Bush is trying preemption abroad as a method of stopping attacks, but the left says that doesn’t work. Apparently, you (collectively, not you specifically) have a more effective idea. However, we have yet to hear a plausible strategy from the left other than to “kiss and make up” with the terrorists. No thanks, pal. I’d rather carry the fight they want to them, rather than wait for another hit.

    Any response you give the above will be duly ignored unless you provide a viable alternative to the current strategy.

  • “The way you win the war on terror,” Bush said, “is to find people [who are terrorists] and get them to give you information about what their buddies are fixing to do.”

    He only said that because the particular piece of legislation they’re trying to sell is about redefining the War Crimes Act to permit torture.

    If they had a major tax bill on the Hill right now, Bush would be arguing that lowering the top marginal rate is the key to stopping terrorism.

    It really is that simple with these guys.

  • To criticize and name-call is to take the easy road. Suggest a better way. It really is that simple. The left doesn’t have a strategy, hence you opt for the ridiculous “He’s stupid” approach.

  • Hi people! I’m a new member here and I like this forum, I think its a good and a reasonable forum with ejucated people.now let put a term for the word(Terorrism):terrorism is the use of power agains civilians to achive a political goal.this defenotion was constructed by america and great britain in the 1960,s.that means that every action and again every action and everybody body besides his relegion who act such a thing is considered to be a terrorist.now,lets be realistic,no one accepted what happened in 11-9-2001,nor the other actions that happened after it.but to say that terrorism is a muslim property thats absolotley not true.if a muslim did such a thing that doesnt mean that islam is a terrorism relegion.what really i think that when israel killed over 1000 civilians and usa killed in iraq over 1 million civilian,and we all know the 14 years old girl that was raped in a barbarious way and killed with her family,and we all saw what happened in abu greb prison of sicological and physical tourtchment to prisonrs to get information from them.those actions r terrorism…a proffisional terrorism by a state who declares every day that it want to carry democracy to the middle east!!!! by this way????? so before we talk about terrorism lets talk what r the reasons of this terrorism.iam not defending terrorism and their actions no I whould do that but lets be realistic,arent those actions of the usa is the main reason for the so called islamic terrorism???? when holy quran is being dropped in bath and islam is being hemeiliated and prophet mohammad too,do we expect them to just hug us and say hello democracy!!!?? now is that democracy?? thats terrorism.the solution is that Usa and israel should stop lyuing and terrorisming the world.USA always says that iran has a nuclear bomb,and that is a disaster if iran used it,but we all know that the only country and the first country that used nuclear weapons-against civilians- and i repeat:against civilians is USA.i think that USA should disarm it self from nuclear weapons to make the world safer and want to make a nuclear weapon when that happen coz the reason that the countries r racing to build a n uclear weapon is that they r fearing usa ones.thx a lot,my friends πŸ™‚

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