Biden steps up, takes on Republicans (and Lieberman) on foreign policy

Newsweek’s Michael Hirsh has an interesting item today on Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) becoming an “attack dog” and a “major consigliore” to Barack Obama, which apparently includes “relentlessly attacking and counterattacking the Republicans on the campaign trail, especially on national-security issues.”

In an interview, Biden said that he and other leading Democrats are “absolutely, thoroughly, totally” making a conscious effort to ensure that Obama doesn’t become the next Kerry. The failure of Kerry and the Dems of ’04 to seize control of the national-security agenda and counterattack Bush was a mistake “that was emblazoned in my mind,” Biden says.

Hence this week’s onslaught of Democratic ripostes to Bush’s seeming suggestion, in a speech to the Israeli Knesset, that Obama was guilty of “appeasement” for indicating he would negotiate with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other U.S. adversaries. Biden called Bush’s remarks a “long-distance Swift Boat attack” and said that the president seemed unaware that his secretary of Defense, Bob Gates, had “the day before” called for engagement with Iran and that Bush had previously “struck a deal with Libya’s [Muammar] Kaddafi and wrote polite letters to North Korea’s Kim Jong Il.”

Biden’s efforts have, not surprisingly, prompted speculation about the Delaware senator joining Obama’s team, possibly as Secretary of State, or maybe even VP. Biden, currently the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, probably helped his chances last week, when he forcefully responded to Bush’s “appeasement” talk, telling reporters what the president did was “bullsh*t” and “malarkey.”

Indeed, when it comes to challenging Republicans on foreign policy, Biden is unusually good at it. Two of my very favorite moments from ’07 were Biden hitting Giuliani here and here. Months later, I still love them, and wouldn’t mind seeing similar remarks directed at McCain’s ticket in the fall.

To help drive the point home, Biden took on Joe Lieberman this morning.

Lieberman, of course, wrote a scathing attack on Democrats for the WSJ this week, effectively accusing Dems of being un-American freedom haters, because, among other reasons, Dems support ending the war in Iraq and starting some kind of diplomacy with Iran. Today, Biden steps up in the same forum to set the record straight.

Because of the policies Mr. Bush has pursued and Mr. McCain would continue, the entire Middle East is more dangerous. The United States and our allies, including Israel, are less secure.

The election in November is a vital opportunity for America to start anew. That will require more than a great soldier. It will require a wise leader. Here, the controversy over engaging Iran is especially instructive.

Last week, John McCain was very clear. He ruled out talking to Iran. He said that Barack Obama was “naïve and inexperienced” for advocating engagement; “What is it he wants to talk about?” he asked.

Well, for a start, Iran’s nuclear program, its support for Shiite militias in Iraq, and its patronage of Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza.

Beyond bluster, how would Mr. McCain actually deal with these dangers? You either talk, you maintain the status quo, or you go to war. If Mr. McCain has ruled out talking, we’re stuck with an ineffectual policy or military strikes that could quickly spiral out of control.

Sen. Obama is right that the U.S. should be willing to engage Iran on its nuclear program without “preconditions” – i.e. without insisting that Iran first freeze the program, which is the very subject of any negotiations. He has been clear that he would not become personally involved until the necessary preparations had been made and unless he was convinced his engagement would advance our interests.

President Nixon didn’t demand that China end military support to the Vietnamese killing Americans before meeting with Mao. President Reagan didn’t insist that the Soviets freeze their nuclear arsenal before sitting down with Mikhail Gorbachev. Even George W. Bush – whose initial disengagement allowed dangers to proliferate – didn’t demand that Libya relinquish its nuclear program, that North Korea give up its plutonium, or even that Iran stop aiding those attacking our soldiers in Iraq before authorizing talks.

The net effect of demanding preconditions that Iran rejects is this: We get no results and Iran gets closer to the bomb. […]

The Bush-McCain saber rattling is the most self-defeating policy imaginable. It achieves nothing. But it forces Iranians who despise the regime to rally behind their leaders. And it spurs instability in the Middle East, which adds to the price of oil, with the proceeds going right from American wallets into Tehran’s pockets.

The worst nightmare for a regime that thrives on tension with America is an America ready, willing and able to engage. Since when has talking removed the word “no” from our vocabulary?

It’s amazing how little faith George Bush, Joe Lieberman and John McCain have in themselves – and in America.

Keep up the good work, Joe, and keep giving Obama good advice.

Sen. Biden was my first choice. I hope he has a large and important role to play in the next administration (not to mention the campaign).

THIS is how the Democratc Party and voters will come together. I hope we hear alot more from Biden and others in the weeks and months ahead.

  • I saw an interview Biden did on MSNBC’s Morning Joe this morning mentioned in another comment, but I thought I’d add the link here. Watch for his response to McCain’s anti-Obama comments from yesterday at the end of the clip. Classic.

  • Ouch. That singes the eyebrows. I hope McCain and Lieberman noticed the scorching Joe Biden just gave them.

    I agree with what you said earlier, Carpetbagger. I’m beginning to enjoy the campaign again.

    ^_^

  • Both Joe Biden and Chris Dodd are great senators, but they are also gifted orators, and can argue spontaneously on any subject, forcefully and articulately. Both would add immeasurable strength not only to Obama’s cabinet, but to his campaign. I can’t imagine any swiftboating attacks gaining momentum with these two guys firing away. They are tough as nails and won’t take any crap from anybody. I have seen both in action many, many times over the years and I am really impressed with the power and persuasiveness of their oratory.

  • Joe Biden would make a GREAT VP. He and Obama are the REAL straight talkers in this campaign. Glad to see that some Democrats aren’t afraid to speak up for the nominee.

  • Commander Guy:
    I’m pretty sure the Governor of Delaware is Ruth Ann Minner, who is a Democrat.

  • I’m glad that somebody(w/ a national platform to speak from) finally said that it’s ridiculous set preconditions for talks that are actually the intended goals the talks are supposed to achieve. Because our status quo with respect to Iran seems to be:

    We want you to suspend all uranium enrichment and related activities before we agree to sit down and negotiate with you our aims of having you suspend all uranium enrichment and related activities.

    Catch-22 anyone? Am I the only person who has read Joseph Keller’s novel?!

    btw-Catch-22 I think captures best the madness and insanity inherent in war. I was watching the news the other day and they were previewing the current winter soldiers testimony to come later in the program and my buddy(back from iraq 5 months now) got so pissed off that he left my house. I explained to my remaining friend there when we actually watched the testimony, what was shocking about it? The fact that people are shocked that war crimes and atrocities actually regularly occur during war. Has been and always will be, all the more reason to avoid war.

  • I love Joe Biden. I love him so much I want a Tiger Beat-style poster of him. I mean, I love Joe Biden.

  • I’ve always respected Biden (I used to live in Delaware), but he has a history of verbal gaffes that would make him unsuitable for a high-profile spot in Obama’s administration. Secretary of State wouldn’t be a good place for him.

    I say keep him in the Senate. We don’t want to deplete the democratic caucus by pulling them into other jobs.

    On the other hand, we *definitely* want to get rid of Lieberman somehow.

  • Biden is great. State would be a very good fit. Does Deleware have a dem governor?

    Not only that, but they have a promising Democratic Attorney General who might be good for the Senate vacancy if Biden joins the Obama administration. The AG’s name is Beau Biden.

  • Delaware says Ruth Ann Minner is their governor, and Wikipedia says she’s a Democrat.

    My main concern with Obama going with Biden for VP is that it might damage his abiltiy to campaign against “politics as usual.” Obama is in a bit of a tough spot — respond forcefully to Republican attacks and be cast as playing in the mud like anyone else, or try to elevate above the attacks and risk becoming a lesson in why politics has always been about playing in the mud.

    Even to the extent that Democrats need someone capable of being aggressive on the ticket, I think it may make more sense to go with someone less clearly partisan and more able to claim to represent Obama’s post-partisan philosophy.

  • This is what I’m talking about, right here. Attack the wingnuts on everything they say. And close the freaking door on Lieberman.

    We can do this, people.

  • Lieberman was always an ass and now he’s a smacked ass.

    As for moving Biden from the Senate to the USNO: Remember that we have a teeny-tiny wafer thin majority right now and someone has to approve our new SC Justices, AGs, etc, etc.

    The OVP will cease to be a fifth branch of the government in January so any Senator you’d like to see stick behind the next president would be far less effective.

  • “Sen. Obama is right that the U.S. should be willing to engage Iran on its nuclear program without “preconditions” – i.e. without insisting that Iran first freeze the program, which is the very subject of any negotiations.”

    I’ve always thought this, for eg how Condi Rice says freeze first before we sit and talk about freezing – great to see Biden articulate it so well.

  • Thanks for the link, Two Sheds. I watched all 9:48 of it and it was _fantastic_.

    This is what we need – actual dialog on issues and hard-hitting (accurate) responses to fallacious retorts. I’m so impressed with Biden! I think the reporters might have accidentally learned something. I particularly liked how Biden explained what an ad hominem attack is – it gave me a flashback to a college course in logic!

  • Both Joe Biden and Chris Dodd were my 1 & 2 guys. When they dropped out I switched to Obama, who I liked but didn’t think he had a chance. Nice to be wrong.

  • Glad to see the Good Joe Biden on display. He certainly has his moments. He can also be infuriating–I’ve watched him bloviate away valuable time in critically important hearings often enough to wonder whether there’s a strategic clue in his head, and thanks to that and other things I have a fairly longstanding animus against the guy. But when he’s on, he’s certainly on.

  • I love Biden on foreign policy.

    I love Biden because of his lucid and aggressive rhetorical style. He’s waaay more of a straight talker than John McCain.

    I even love Biden because of his support of AmTrak.

    But Biden as VP?

    I cannot forget that he’s the senator from MBNA. His support of the Bankruptcy Bill is unforgiveable.

    Plus that rhetorical style I love so much directs his foot into his mouth with great regularity. I don’t want to see Candidate Obama spending time distancing himself from something his running mate said, and with Biden as a running mate, that’s a guarantee.

  • I give Joe Biden props if only for one thing – he effectively killed Rudy Giuiliani’s candidacy. His statement, “Every sentence he says is a noun, verb and 9/11” came at the end of November, early December — right around when Hizzoner peaked in the polls.

    Biden’s great. He’s tough, smart and doesn’t give a damn. But his foot-in-mouth style would indeed hurt him as a VP candidate, and he’s from a safely Dem state in Delaware, whereas the Dems could use another tough-talking type like Webb, from Virginia, to carry the ammo for Obama.

  • I like Biden, but anyone who watched the confirmation hearings for Bush’s Sup Ct Justices knows that he is far from great. I think his best role is as a senior leader in the Senate and a member of Obama’s “kitchen cabinet,” not actually in the administration.

  • i will NEVER forget biden’s significant part in passing the 2005 bankruptcy bill.

    biden has a long row to hoe before he’ll be considered a “reasonable person” in my book.

  • He picked up on the cowardice of the GOP’s position which stands in stark contrast to James Baker’s ballsy stance for talking to your enemies.

    I like Biden but he’s awfully inconsistent. Frustratingly so.

  • Mark Pencil, @26,

    Are you my long-lost twin? Those confirmation hearings were, *precisely*, what put me off Biden. Half of the time, the man suffers from untreated verborrhea .

  • Good ole Plagiarist Joe talking chit about foreign policy…..Now that’s a real JOKE!

  • I am with those who find his support of the Bankruptcy bill unforgivable. I hope he gets the nod for a non-domestic cabinet position: State or Defense or something that shows his foreign policy expertise, but he should not be involved in setting domestic policy. He has already shown his willingness to sell out the middle class in favor of his wealthy corporate sponsors.

  • Beyond bluster, how would Mr. McCain actually deal with these dangers? You either talk, you maintain the status quo, or you go to war. — Biden

    Exactly what I told the brother-in-law. The only reason you wouldn’t at least try talking is if you knew your arguments were bullshit, or if you knew you were intellectually inferior. Remind you of anyone?

  • From today’s WSJ opinion:

    Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joe Biden took to the airwaves this week to “help” the rookie Barack Obama out of a foreign-policy jam. Oh sure, admitted Mr. Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee had given the “wrong” answer when he said he’d meet unconditionally with leaders of rogue states. But on the upside, the guy “has learned a hell of a lot.”

    “He has learned a hell of a lot” rofl

  • Senator Obama, the presumptive democratic presidential nominee, does well to have such a wise elder statesman as Senator Joe Biden on his side.

  • libra, i suppose being your long lost twin in possible – we seem to share several commonalities on here, and while an orphan in the family tree makes tracing roots a little hard, there is a good chance that my last name is a contorted spelling of what started out Polish!

  • If the Dems won’t fight Bush too hard in the Senate or the House (by impeaching him) at least they are campaigning as if they mean it. Biden isn’t the polarizng figure that (unfortunate) Ted Kennedy is, and he knows what he’s talking about if he doesn’t use too many words. Lieberman is easily put down. He’s not that bright. Rapid response is the key. A lesson Kerry never learned.

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