Bill Bennett puts down that Ho-Ho long enough to endorse torture

Guest Post by Morbo

Through the grapevine here in the nation’s capital, I learned that the always-repulsive William Bennett spoke at the Religious Right’s “Values Voter Summit” last weekend, where he endorsed waterboarding our enemies.

You remember Bill Bennett, right? As education secretary under Ronald Reagan, he achieved, well, nothing — except finding new ways to siphon tax money away from public schools and into the coffers of parochial ones. As “drug czar” under Bush I, he achieved, well, nothing — except managing to kick his own smoking habit with the help of nicotine gum.

Since then, Bennett has apparently been lounging about consuming cases of Hostess Ho-Ho’s, as he has ballooned to Jabba the Hut-like proportions. When he’s not hanging out in casinos, Bennett manages to crank out the occasional book reminding us what ill-educated, un-virtuous scumbags we are. For this he is a national treasure to the Religious Right.

Yes, Bill Bennett thinks he’s better than you. Bill Bennett believes that he, by virtue of his conservative Roman Catholic faith, hews to a superior ethic that you, with your puny liberal Christianity, Reform Judaism, secular humanism or whatever, can never aspire to.

And Bill Bennett says torture is okey-dokey with him. “If waterboarding will save American lives, then I’m for waterboarding,” he told the 1,700 attendees.

How did these good Christians respond? They stood up and cheered.

I suppose one could argue that Bennett tried to leave himself some wiggle room: He’s only for waterboarding if it will save American lives. But the trick is, we can never be sure it will save American lives when we use it, as we cannot see into the future.

When the government engages in waterboarding, in your name, with your tax dollars having bought said board and water, it hopes to extract information that, we’re told, will be used for good: to save lives. But, as professional interrogators have repeatedly pointed out to no avail, the person who is strapped to the inclined board with his feet raised above his head, with a cloth gag in his mouth and with water poured over him, will pretty much confess to anything to make it stop. The information given may be completely fabricated and thus of no use and save no lives.

So, Bill Bennett is not for waterboarding “if it will save lives.” Bill Bennett is just for plain old waterboarding. Bill Bennett endorses torture. Bill Bennett does this even though the god/man he extols was himself tortured (to no avail).

In 1985, I was fortunate enough to hear Chilean exile Ariel Dorfman speak at the university I was then attending. I was too clueless to know who he was, but I do recall that his words moved me. His words moved me again recently. Dorfman wrote in The Washington Post:

Can’t the United States see that when we allow someone to be tortured by our agents, it is not only the victim and the perpetrator who are corrupted, not only the “intelligence” that is contaminated, but also everyone who looked away and said they did not know, everyone who consented tacitly to that outrage so they could sleep a little safer at night, all the citizens who did not march in the streets by the millions to demand the resignation of whoever suggested, even whispered, that torture is inevitable in our day and age, that we must embrace its darkness?

Are we so morally sick, so deaf and dumb and blind, that we do not understand this? Are we so fearful, so in love with our own security and steeped in our own pain, that we are really willing to let people be tortured in the name of America?

Sadly, many of us are that sick. And some who are among the sickest claim to speak as leaders of a movement that extols “virtues” and “values.” They claim to occupy the moral high ground.

The truth is more mundane: Bennett and his crowd of pseudo-Christians, by endorsing torture, by cheering calls for it, are so far away from the moral high ground that they couldn’t see it with an astronomer’s telescope.

I have a reminder for Mr. Virtues: There is an old ethical principle so commonsensical and basic that is shared by virtually every religious and philosophical system in the world. It is found in the Old Testament in the Book of Leviticus, and in the New Testament, no less a person that Jesus Christ himself espoused it. You might want to commit it to memory. It goes something like this: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Of course those whack-jobs stood and cheered. For them, civilization’s greatest achievement was the Spanish Inquisition.

  • It goes something like this: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    Cool. Does that mean I now have Mr. Bennett’s implicit permission to waterboard unto him?

  • I have to admit I thought waterboarding was like witch-dunking, but as you describe it, it takes a lot less equipment. I was thinking a combination of waterboarding and belly busters would be a good idea for Bennett. Cannonball!

    The worst president ever gets the most power ever.

  • So true.

    When bin Laden or any future terror leader calls for the killing of Americans, including “innocents,” we can no longer say that we are innocent. We have actively advocated torture. We have specifically approved torture. We are now, in the words of Karl Rove, “fair game.” It’s not just the military that will pay for this stupidity. For the fairly large portion of us who like to travel abroad, or who have to travel abroad for employment, look out.

    Oh, and this isn’t about religion or a religious battle? Right.

  • If only all Republicans would drop their ho’s… Well, maybe not, they already embody all the mendacious qualities of the terminally horny. Better they screw their ho’s than screw us (even worse than they already do.)

    As Lance hinted yesterday, the Republican’s like, lick but don’t lack their crack ho’s.

    In my basest emotions, I hope the next Democratic President becomes known as “he who disappears Republicans”. Not really, but the feeling is there.

  • Republican Christians have formed a new religion that worships themselves. They have figured out how to sanctify selfishness and make it a virtue. And their virtue czar is leading the chorus.

    Hell of a post CB!

  • So, can we expect the same sort of figurative philosophical shrug from Boxcar Bennett if the next Al Jazeera “Situation Room” features a quote from Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani like, “if beheading will save Muslim lives, I’m for beheading”?

  • I can rationally discuss Republicans — except for Bill Bennett. Beatified Bill just drives me nuts. He always strikes me as a oafish, sanctimonious gerbil, yammering endlessly that “I’m OK, You’re Fucked Up.”

  • And Bill Bennett says torture is okey-dokey with him. “If waterboarding will save American lives, then I’m for waterboarding,” he told the 1,700 attendees.

    How did these good Christians respond? They stood up and cheered.

    I almost wish there was a Jesus and that he came back at that particular time and that particular place on the dais and looked down at these people cheering in his name.

  • Bill Bennett believes that he, by virtue of his conservative Roman Catholic faith, hews to a superior ethic that you, with your puny liberal Christianity, Reform Judaism, secular humanism or whatever, can never aspire to.

    Bill’s views are several centuries out of date with the Catholic church and extremely offensive to the rest of us..

    “The thought of Jesus being stripped, beaten and derided until his final agony on the cross should always prompt a Christian to protest against similar treatment of their fellow beings. Of their own accord, disciples of Christ will reject torture, which nothing can justify, which causes humiliation and suffering to the victim and degrades the tormentor.” – Pope John Paul II

  • Petorado had the same reaction to this post that I did, and I think Mark’s example exposes the slippery slope down which the self-worshipping Mr. Bennett would have us all slide. How cheap our culture feels to me just now. Every time Bush is challenged, he invokes that terribly sad day, 9/11, and the 3,000 souls that were lost, wasted. It puckers the public with fear – even as Iraqis are enduring (cummulative) losses on that scale every few months. And yet, our loss was so much more meaningful, much more exquisite, much more worthy of grief. Why? How can the answer be anything but we think we are special, chosen, exceptional beyond all others? There is much danger in such thinking.

    I do not mean to minimize the 9/11 losses. I still can not think back to that day without tears – even though I was thousands of miles away from the attacks and insulated from personal loss. But, I think it is time to wake up from the torpor of fear that settled on us that day. What are we giving up, what are we willing to do (or have done in our names) in exchange for some notion of perfect security? How far are we willing to allow our fellow citizens to debase themselves by perpetrating torture and scrapping the constitution so that we might convince ourselves that we are safe, as we deserve to be? I’ve said it before, and I find myself compelled to say it again: Just as I think Bush can take us no lower as a nation, he proves me wrong.

  • Morbo, you outdid yourself with this one. I think all of us here are sincerely mortified by what our Congress has just sanctioned our President to do in our name. Knowing some in the Bill Bennett fan club, I cannot fathom their position on this. I literally try and try and I cannot even put into words what the support for this comes from. It’s either ignorance, willful blindness, or evil.

    As Albert Brooks said in Broadcast News, “Do you think the Devil will show up in a red suit with a pointed tail and a pitchfork? No. He will be someone who, bit by bit, day by day, gets us to LOWER OUR STANDARDS.”

    I think Bush and all the Congressmen and senators that voted for this fit that definition quite nicely.

  • Given that the US has sunk this low(sanctioning torture,civil rights abnegation, de facto suspension of constitutional checks, ill-considered reflexive blunt military foreign policies) in response to an assymetric, inconsistent, relatively inconsequential(notwithstanding 9/11) threat, without implementing reasonable security precautions or assiduously pursuing the primary archtect of 9/11, one has to shudder when considering how our country may respond to more serious violations or economic hardships.

  • Excellent post, Morbo. Keep going.

    And you, Bill Bennett. Listen carefully. Listen to that faint little noise in the background.

    Scratch, scratch, scratch.

    Click, click, click.

    Hear, Bill Bennett ! Hear !

    Hear that faint little noise you think you can ignore.

    Hear those pens flying on the paper. Hear those fingers tapping the keyboards.

    Hear that faint little noise as this are the noise of your indictment being written.

    And remember, Bill Bennett. Remember

    Remember that after Nuremberg, they also hung Julius Streicher.

  • It is just the thought of Bill Bennett sitting alone in a hotel room plunking $10 ‘coins’ into a slot machine for hours at a time and somehow not realizing that he is engaged (again) is an addictive vice that truly amazes me about the (less than a) man.

    Fortunately, while I forget the actual show, I remember seeing him not long after this incident on one of the pundit shows getting essentially laughed off the dias. Great television.

    And I agree with those who have said here this is not either Christianity or Roman Catholism (including the late Pope John Paul II).

  • ***If waterboarding will save American lives, then I’m for waterboarding***
    ————————-Billy-Joe-Jim-Bob-Roy Bennett

    Would throwing George Bush, Dick Cheny, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice, Gonzo, Rove, and the whole sordid bunch of idiots who make up this administration—from a plane—about 500 feet above Baghdad—save American lives?

    Would getting our troops out of the Iraq shooting gallery save American lives?

    Would putting the entire GOP hierarchy on a desert island—and then leaving them there to rot—save American lives?

    Just curious….

  • It’s obvious these are not real christians. If Christ returned and saw what was being done “in his name” he’d never stop throwing up…

    And something you might want to point out, Christ and God, according to what the religious right PROFESS to believe about them, are not just interestedin American lives. Also, it shows a huge LACK of faith in God…that thinking they need to sin to save lives. Don’t they believe God is watching out for them?

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