Bloomberg moves the goalposts

On Monday, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg will sit down for an undefined meeting at the University of Oklahoma, apparently as the precursor to a presidential campaign. Bloomberg will be joined by a bipartisan group of former (and a couple of current) elected officials, including Dems such as former senators Sam Nunn (Ga.), Charles S. Robb (Va.), David Boren (Okla.), and Gary Hart (Colo.). Republicans will include Sen. Chuck Hagel (Neb.), former party chairman Bill Brock, former senator John Danforth (Mo.) and former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman.

What’s less clear, exactly, is the point. As of last week, Bloomberg’s group insisted that they’d move forward with plans of a third-party presidential campaign unless Democrats and Republicans “refocus” their campaigns” on “a bipartisan approach.” Approach to what? They didn’t say. All we could get out of them was their stated desire to see the major parties “formally embrace bipartisanship.”

At least, that was the first demand. This week, Iowans threw a bit of a monkey wrench into the Bloomberg plan by backing two candidates who talk constantly about “bringing people together,” and rejecting the parties’ establishment. Barack Obama, like John Edwards and Bill Richardson, has even talked about having Republicans in his cabinet. It should be music to the ears of Bloomberg and his cohorts.

Apparently, though, it’s not. Now that the parties are talking more and more about bipartisanship, Bloomberg has decided he has a new complaint.

[I]n a morning radio call-in program, Mr. Bloomberg continued to assert that the leading candidates for president had failed to be specific enough in their proposed solutions for the nation’s problems. He also discussed a University of Oklahoma conference he plans to attend this weekend, at which participants expect to call for the candidates to renounce what the mayor called “partisan bickering.”

I didn’t think it was possible, but this little endeavor seems to be getting more annoying as time goes on.

Candidates are supposed to “renounce” bickering? What is this, fourth grade?

What’s more, this notion that the candidates haven’t been “specific enough” is foolish for two reasons. First, at least on the Democratic side, the candidates have been extremely specific about policy matters, issuing white papers and posting detailed proposals on their websites.

Second, hearing Bloomberg complain about specificity in the presidential campaign is quite ironic. His little group that’s getting together has offered “specific” concerns that they want candidates to emphasize, such as “rebuild and reconfigure our military forces.”

The bottom line is that Bloomberg and his partners don’t seem to have a coherent vision for anything, except bipartisanship for bipartisanship’s sake. If they have constructive policy ideas, terrific; they should certainly be encouraged to be part of the public debate.

But that’s not what we’re seeing here. It’s a pointless exercise that’s had two rationales in as many weeks.

Greg Sargent makes a very good case that it’s time to stop giving Bloomberg the attention he craves.

Look, at a certain point, we should start asking ourselves whether this stunt deserves any more attention. Many of the major candidates are offering detailed solutions to the country’s problems. When Bloomberg falsely says none of them are, he’s just playing a different rendition of the same tired old tune that has it that only a “nonpartisan” leader can solve our problems. The idea is that there’s no way any of the ideas harbored by these candidates can be any good, since they all belong to the major political parties, which we already know are the cause of all our problems because David Broder and Mike Bloomberg told us so.

Really, until Bloomberg declares that he’s running for president, and until his criticism has genuine specificity, what he has to say about the presidential hopefuls just isn’t news anymore.

Quite right. Maybe if Bloomberg and his friends have something constructive say, they can get back to the rest of us. Until then, this whole endeavor has the look and feel of a sideshow.

“The freakin’ peasants are at the gates! Quick! Let’s get an establishment elite they can accept to mollify them before they elect someone more like themselves as president!”

These are dark days indeed for rich folks who parasitically cling to the “establishment” that suckles them. Time to get one of their own to wrestle control back for the Villagers lest the unwashed masses come to Washington and, as David Broder was fond of saying about the Clintons, “trashes the place.” Unity 08: keeping the world safe for the Beltway elites.

  • I’ve been Bloomberg’s biggest cheerleader here, and I still think he’d make a good president–if the country were ready for his very different style of politics, which it isn’t. His NYC mayoral record shows unusual political bravery and his wealth and independence give him a great deal of leeway in terms of figuring out policy responses to major problems.

    But this is getting silly, and I have a lot of trouble seeing how he makes his case against Obama, who’s already embraced a post-partisan campaign based on problem-solving and political reconciliation. I’ve always been pretty clear that I’d vote for Obama over Bloomberg; at this point I’d support Edwards over him as well.

    The only Democrat I wouldn’t back over Bloomberg is Clinton, but a colleague of mine who’s somewhat wired into these circles swears that if Hillary wins the nomination, Bloomberg won’t get in. His reasoning: Bloomberg will only enter if he thinks he can win, and in order to win, he’d have to start with an electoral college base of CA, NY, NJ, CT, and FL. Clinton (he asserts) takes the middle three states out of play from the jump, and probably California as well. Thus, regardless of how Bloomberg feels about Hillary as a political figure (my guess: not good), he wouldn’t go in against her.

    My theory has been that Bloomberg’s liberal inclinations are such that wouldn’t want to be remembered as the guy who got in Obama’s way. But that certainly might be wishful thinking.

  • Clinton is fading. Even the Republican front runner isn’t an avid protector of the rich. Definitely time for a third party.

  • I read the following Letter To The Editor in this morning’s Atlanta Journal-Constitution and frankly I cannot disagree with it. The ‘Independent’ candidates can spew all they want about partisan politics but few of them have the history to back it up. They’re all fat millionaires claiming to speak for the middle class, though I’m getting really tired of being spoken for by those who have no clue.

    Is ex-Sen. Nunn just waking up now?

    Former U.S. Sen. Sam Nunn and his colleagues are unhappy with the “tone and substance of the national debate,” saying politicians of both parties are failing to focus on the big issues (“Nunn’s unity bid a gamble,” Page One, Dec. 31).

    With all due respect, where has Nunn been the last few years? The tone has been rancorous ever since Republicans and their media surrogates started the Clinton-era witch hunts and has gotten more and more vicious during the Bush presidency. But curiously, we didn’t hear much from Nunn until the Democrats gained control of Congress.

    As for “substance,” the debate over redesigning the health care system seems pretty substantial to me. Likewise, the “unitary executive” theory of secretive, unchecked presidential power seems a worthwhile topic. And if torture, extraordinary renditions and loss of civil liberties aren’t substantial topics, I don’t know what would be. Not to mention the politicization of the Justice Department revealed in the U.S. attorneys scandal.

  • I think that Bloomberg should be more specific about what he wants from the candidates.

    I haven’t heard much partisan “bickering” from the candidates other than from the Republicans who think that they are running in Republican primaries against Hillary Clinton. Red meat for Das Base.

  • bloomberg. just what we need is another politician with enough money to buy himself the presidency.

  • How long is the press not going to talk about not talking about Bloomberg? 🙂

    Yes it is time to stop the bickering if by bickering he means one side is bankrupting the country, assaulting civil liberties, torturing prisoners and lying like a rug while the other side is offering mild protests.

  • My theory has been that Bloomberg’s liberal inclinations are such that wouldn’t want to be remembered as the guy who got in Obama’s way.

    Another good reason not to get in Obama’s way is that you’d get flattened. Particularly if you are a bland, nationally unknown city mayor with nothing in particular to offer but a base of minor has-been supporters, and vague, specious attacks.

  • Isn’t it ironic and tragic? He we are, poised to take major victories in the House and Senate, as well as putting a Democrat in the White House, with enormous electoral clout, after the worst.president.ever and what do we do with such a rare opportunity? Naderize ourselves yet again.

    We’ll have to re-write our party’s unofficial victory song (apologies to Milton Ager and Jack Yellen): “Happy Days are Here McCain”

  • Sargent says:

    since they all belong to the major political parties, which we already know are the cause of all our problems

    But Bloomie cant be all that opposed to political parties, after all, he’s belonged to two of them already.

    What is it about being NYC mayor that leads to psychois-inducing levels of ego poisoning?

    What will be interesting is that there are many on the far left who have long lamented the two party system. The Boren/Bloomberg project is large enough, credible enough and rich enough to finally break the two party system (back when the Rethugs were running everything, I often envisioned this very effort, often including the same list of names, as the hope for breakingRethug dominance). Will it get support from the far left, even though it is a transparent attempt to form a new uber-establishment party because the Dems and Repubs are no longer reliably pro-establishment enough. (Although as this has developed, I would call it less “bi-partisan” and more an effort to make the Presidency “non-partisan,” which will simply never fly.)

    In the current environment, this is a solution (and a would be messiah) in search of a problem.

  • It’s interesting that Gary Hart is on this committee. Of course he may have “committed” a while ago, but he has a comment up on HuffPo expressing his happiness over Obama’s victory in Iowa to the point of tears. Obama certainly did mention working with the other party in his speech in Iowa on Thursday. I’m willing to put my own rhetoric aside except for the most extemist, neocon faction in the Republican Party because I think we would benefit from a more coalitionist form of government and should be moving in the direction of including more parties than just the two. Maybe this is what Obama discussed with Bloomberg when they met.

  • Partisanship is NOT the problem, it is the result of right and left becoming completely at odds as to not only what the solutions are to our problems, but what the problems are in the first place.

    A few nights ago Chris Matthews stated the problem as the nation being in a rut, unable to deal with global warming, energy, health care and other issues that we on the left consider so critical. But he failed to follow up with the obvious cause of it all: the Republicans don’t even recognize these problems, much less have any rational approach to dealing with them. All they have is ideology: more wars, more military spending, more tax cuts for the rich, more social Darwinism, more belligerent get tough foreign policy.

    Matthews had an opportunity to state the obvious, that the Republicans are not part of the solution, they are the problem. But he blew it.

    Somebody’s got to say it. Bipartisanship is not the answer. Overpowering Republican rule for the last quarter century is the solution, at least for now and the next few cycles. Not forever, though. Power always corrupts eventually.

  • Somebody’s got to say it. Bipartisanship is not the answer. Overpowering Republican rule for the last quarter century is the solution, at least for now and the next few cycles

    I’d replace “Overpowering Republican rule” with “de-legitimizing and marginalizing Republican extremism”… which I think Obama might be able to do. People generally don’t like being flattened or dismissed from the outset–we progressives certainly didn’t under Bush/DeLay–but they’re generally amenable to being persuaded.

    Remember, I’m not talking about holding hands with Mitch McConnell–and neither is Obama. The idea is to get the voters who supported McConnell out of reflexive and ignorant loathing of “liberals” to either scare him into working with Democrats, or dump his saggy ass.

  • Why do people think America is ready to elect a Jew? They won’t even go for a Mormon.

  • GA, VA, OK, MO, CO, a failed politician out of NJ and an opportunist out of NY. Does not look to be the kind of regional coalition that would implement any real change, does it? The views of these folks likely do not represent 85% of the country. And odds are if Obama is the candidate the CO member would drop out. Just what we need, then, a coalition primarily with a southern US bent led around by a northeast opportunist. Isn’t that kinda what we have now and have had for 7 years?

  • I agree with Mag7, that Bloomberg’s group is “all fat millionaires claiming to speak for the middle class.” A third party would be most welcome in my book, but not these guys, and I dream of the day when the Republican party is so shrunken it can caucus in Grover Norquist’s bathtub.

  • Hark and dajafi bear listening to. This nation IS partisan and the garbage about “bipartisanship” is just that, garbage!

    Take any five issues facing the U. S., Iraq, Iran, environment, health care or the economy, for instance. Then look at each party’s positions, if you can find them. Support accordingly.

    I think that you will find as wide a range of differences WITHIN each party as we do generally between the parties. What does that tell us about “bipartisanship”?

    And someone within the last week mentioned, I believe in this forum, that we are so polarized nationally that there probably is no way that we can ever find a compromise on anything, thank you Newt the Scoot and the ’94 overthrow of our government. So, it has become time to consider new parties, but first of all we have to get through this stupid election that will do nothing to solve our problems, or even adequately address them!

    Vote for the person you deem most likely to have a modicum of success at changing our direction, party be damned! Approach your choice wisely, learnedly, looking at the character, integrity and most of all, the selection of advisers the candidate indicates. Takes some work but it is exquisitely important and therefore worth our time.

  • I find it notable that when Bloomberg lashed out at the candidates he left out Obama. Obama’s support among independents would make a moderate third party run quite futile. The only way I could see such a party winning (and it would still be a long shot) would be if it was an election between Huckabee and Edwards.

    Bloomberg and others get attention because there is a very real sense that neither party represents the views of many people. The group meeting Monday very well might not be any better, but I’m willing to listen to what they have to say.

    I’m far more annoyed by the attitude of people like Greg Sargent who go out of their way to attack before the meeting has even taken place. It is quite premature to claim they have nothing to say before they have even met.

    The meeting is simply a group of Democrats, Republicans, and independents getting together to talk about reducing some of the excessive partisanship. I hardly find that something worthy of all the vitriol coming from parts of the blogosphere. That does not mean anyone expects an end to all partisan bickering or that anyone thinks that there is a set of non-partisan solutions which will magically solve all our problems. These criticisms are just a set of straw man attacks which have little bearing on what they are really saying.

    Maybe this will lead to Bloomberg running, but some of the attendees say this is not their interest. Some are Republicans such as Christie Todd Whitman who says she is attending due to the Republican Party driving out the moderates. While it might be futile, I wish her luck in any efforts to counter the extremism of the current Republican Party.

    This group might not be the answer. The current Republican Party is certainly not the answer. However when elements of the left show such a knee jerk opposition to the idea of Democrats, Republicans, and independents meeting, it does show that hyper-partisanship has become a problem on both sides.

  • The nation is partisan not because we disagree about how to do things, but because we disagree about what needs to be done. There simply is no “coming together” or “bi-partisan middle ground” on issues like torture – I don’t want any president to sit down and say, “Okay, we’ll let you have stress positions, but we draw the line at waterboarding. Extremes of temperature okay, outright beating not.” Is there a bi-partisan way to decide which children whose parents work, but who cannot afford heath insurance, do get the coverage they need, and which ones don’t? Is there middle ground on whether American citizens can be snatched into custody on the say-so of whoever is in charge of that sort of thing at any given moment?

    We’re partisan because we believe in different things – duh – and we believe in different ways to achieve change.

    What Bloomberg fails to tell us is, why now? Why not in any of the years after 2000, when there was a hardened and partisan Republican majority that not only refused to cooperate and work with Democrats, but denied them full access to the process – where was the Campaign for Working Together then?

    The answer seems clear to me – it has more to do with the fear that Democrats are going to wash over DC, and statehouses and legislatures like a tsunami, and the Republicans are going to find themselves to be totally irrelevant – unless they want to work with us. And it threatens their bottom line, the loaded-with-cash pipeline that has made all of them wealthy to the point of being obscene.

    So, no thanks, Mike – Republicans have so screwed the country and the people who live in it that it’s long past time for the reins of power to go over to people who actually give a damn about the democracy, who believe people have an inherent right to control the most personal aspects of their lives without some holier-than-thou know-it-all ramming their religion and their beliefs down our collective throats. Who believe that the balance between national security and our consitutionally-protected and granted rights has to be weighted on the side of our rights, or we risk losing the nation we are supposed to be protecting.

    No, thanks.

  • As usual, Anne said much of it better, but I’ll add that the rich are losing control of their coalition with religious conservatives and neofascists. The prime mover here is that besides an upcoming Democratic tsunami, Bush delivered exactly what the rich wanted, but the combination of Bush’s excesses on the one hand and the general batshit insanity of the religious right has made it impossible for a regular Republican to win both the nomination and the general election. The kind of Republican best positioned to win the nomination (Huckabee, apparently) is not going to put their business front and center. Thus their options would seem to be 1) buying a controlling interest in the Democrats (they’ve already got a substantial fraction of the Democratic politicians, but the remainder of the pols and the voters might not come along so easily), or 2) building a new coalition, such as of the rich, the neocons, and gullible centrists instead of with the Christian right. They can’t win much of anything by talking frankly about their economic goals, so the issues have to be fear, managerial experience, and bipartisanship. I don’t see Bloomberg being a threat to Obama, so if he wants to waste a bunch of his own money that would be fine by me. Nonetheless, it’s fun imagining Bloomberg trying to sell “Bipartisanship! But my way, not Obama’s way!”

    Huckabee seems to be offering a combination of nutty economics wrapped in populist rhetoric, and socially conservative religion. Unfortunately, that would seem to have a greater chance of winning the Republicans a winning coalition.

  • Another party purporting to represent the middle class that is made up of pasty rich white folk? Another very unfunny joke. You know, like compassionate conservative. Bi-partisanship is another joke. I want to see the Repugs margialized, reviled and humiliated, not welcomed into the fold. The problems that we have right now can be laid squarely at the feet of the GOP. Screw them and all who supported them.

  • Watching a gaggle of former Legends In Their Own Minds prove their irrelevance is funny. I thought most of them were worthless asswipes when they were in office and said “good riddance” to each of them as they got bounced out the door.

    Bloomberg: I used to be a Democrat, then I got rich as a Wall Street schmuck (even though I’m really a very itty-bitty putz – for those who don’t know the meaning of that last word it’s Yiddish for “a penis that thinks it’s a person”), so I became a Republican.

    Only people who can pass the IQ test low enough to live in New York City could vote for this halfwit and for Il Douche.

  • I will be honest with you, as an independent, I’m enjoying watching both the Democrats and Republicans squirm at the idea of an uninvited guest crahing their duopoly.

    Here is my take— It is rare that one finds a candidate that agrees with them on every single issue. But at the end of the day, the President is the executive manager of the world’s most powerful enterprise, the US government. I believe most voter’s underestimate the value of competence and management experience (in the current set of Democratic frontrunners, none have executive management experience, they all come from a legislative background, and all of them are lawyers). What is most important to me is, does the candidate have the competence and the experience to manage such an enterprise? Will they keep the economy strong? Will they make sound judgement in a crisis? Will they hire competent people, or will they just give valuable positions to unqualified individuals because of party connects or because they “owe” someone that gave a campaign contribution?

    Bloomberg’s money buys him independence of a sort no other candidate can claim.

    He doesn’t look at decisions from an ideological point of view. He’s very pragmatic.

    Bloomberg knows how to manage money, and how to run a multi-billion dollar enterprise. He has world class executive management experience. More so than any joker running for either of the major parties.

    The reality is, in our competitive society, the most talented among us do not often pursue positions in government, they pursue fortune in the private sector. To get the best of what is available to us, I wish to see a seasoned executive manager from the private sector in the White House.

    This is what I see in Michael Bloomberg.

    When the economy is strong. When everyone has a job. People tend to be less concerned about the differences among us. When the economy is bad, and people are unemployed, everyone looks for someone to point the finger at, and politicians look for divisive wedge issues to distract their constituents from the real problems at hand.

    The fact is, presidents rarely get to implement even a fraction of the so-called promises and policy positions they campaign on. A president’s term in office is most largely shaped by events of the day. And a president’s successes and failures in dealing with crisis that emerge define most president’s term in office more so that any specific position they endorse during the campaign process.

    What we need now is competence and proven executive management experience.

    Best regards,
    Chris

    http://www.RunMikeRun.com

  • Bipartisanship= Both parties give the corporations everything that they ask for and ignore the average citizen.

  • Do we need to reinvent the old saw about every Senator “looking in the mirror and seeing the next POTUS” to include mayors of NYC?

    What’s next, Ed Koch for President? (His State of the Union address: ‘How’m I, uh, how’m I doin?’)

  • Comments are closed.