Bob Kerrey digs a little deeper, lobs bogus ‘madrassa’ claim

Over the weekend, former Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.) raised a few eyebrows after an event in Iowa in which he endorsed Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Kerrey, who’s always had a reputation for pushing the rhetorical envelope with freewheeling and provocative remarks, offered some provocative comments about Barack Obama.

“It’s probably not something that appeals to him, but I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim and that his paternal grandmother is a Muslim. There’s a billion people on the planet that are Muslims and I think that experience is a big deal.”

Ostensibly, Kerrey was complimenting Obama, but at the same time, he was subtly hitting right-wing points, emphasizing Obama’s middle name and family lineage. Whether one perceives this as a cheap, underhanded shot depends entirely on whether one is willing to give Kerrey the benefit of the doubt. (I couldn’t help but find it a little odd, though, that Kerrey knew, off the top of his head, that the senator’s “paternal grandmother” was Muslim.) Was Kerrey trying to raise an issue while pretending not to raise it?

As I said yesterday, I don’t want to get to a point in which every innocent comment is scrutinized for some kind of hidden agenda-driven meaning, but Kerrey decided to respond to the questions yesterday by making matters worse. He told CNN:

“I’ve watched the blogs try to say that you can’t trust him because he spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa. I feel quite the opposite — I think it’s a tremendous strength. Whether he’s in the United States Senate or whether he’s in the White House, I think it’s a tremendous asset for him.”

Oh my. First, it’s not “the blogs,” it’s the broader right-wing smear machine. Second, Obama didn’t spend any time in a “madrassa” — that’s been thoroughly debunked.

And third, by highlighting Obama’s middle name, his Muslim relatives, and the “madrassa” nonsense, all after endorsing Clinton, it’s getting harder and harder to give Kerrey the benefit of the doubt here.

Mark Kleiman’s take seemed to strike the right note.

I was willing to give Bob Kerrey the benefit of the doubt about his “Barack Hussein Obama” comment. But if his “secular madrassa” comment wasn’t a deliberate smear, then Kerrey must really and truly be as dimwitted as his detractors insist.

There are some people so nasty that they can’t see a belt without wanting to hit below it. And there are others so verbally clumsy that they never open their mouths except for the purpose of inserting a foot. I’m not sure which one Kerrey is, but I’m sure glad he didn’t get to be President.

What’s more, there’s still the context to consider. Just as the race started to get much more competitive, nationally and in the early contests, Billy Shaheen talked up the drug issue, Mark Penn not-so-subtly threw around the word “cocaine” on MSNBC last week, Clinton herself warned of unidentified “surprises” from her rivals, and now a prominent Clinton supporter is subtly repeating some of the points in a deceptive email lie making the rounds.

Just to be clear, this could be a coincidence, and Kerrey might be as rhetorically clumsy as he seems. But it’s also possible that the Clinton campaign, feeling the heat, is aiming below the belt. I really hope that’s not the case.

Post Script: Not incidentally, there’s been some interesting perspectives on whether Kerrey, regardless of motivation, is right about Obama’s background and ethnicity helping improve America’s diplomatic standing, should he get elected. Joyner doesn’t think so, but Kleiman and Drum think it could help.

It’s at moments like this that Democrats would do wise to ask – “What has Bob Kerrey ever done for us?” When the answer to the question is reached, Bob’s irrelevancy will validated. -Kevo

  • Well, I couldn’t have been more wrong in the last comment thread.

    Guy is an ass.

    The Clinton campaign continues to operate in the mud.

  • I have some Jewish friends who KNOW that former Senator Allen is a Jew because his mother was a Jew. It doesn’t really matter what George Allen thinks he is because he IS a Jew.

    I have some Muslim friends who KNOW that Obama is a Muslim because his father was a Muslim. It doesn’t really matter what Senator Obama thinks he is because he IS a Muslim.

    Now, frankly, I don’t care what religion anyone’s parents are or were and I don’t really care what religion a candidate is but there are people who do care.

    I am just writing this to point out that Obama can’t completely run away from his father’s religion

  • Sorry for the blogwhoring, but it needs to be noted that Kerrey’s been talking about Obama this way at least since an interview he gave in October — and that’s before he endorsed Clinton. In the same interview, Kerrey also “praises” Clinton with some words that could easily be used against her. Go here for the story and excerpts from the interview,

    At this point I don’t know what Kerrey’s intent is — though I’m all but certain the Clinton campaign is calculatedly deploying him to spread these talking points.

  • Why is speaking the middle name of Obama a right wing talking point??? I can’t tell you how many times I still hear “William Jefferson Clinton” or “Franklin Delano Roosevelt” or HRC… you get the point.

    Is somebody trying to hide something???

  • I think Kerrey knew exactly what he was throwing out there. It’s a classic “oops” smear, and to think that the Clinton team sends out people making that kind of “mistake” is IMO beyond believable. They know the media and how it repeats smears for them, and how to get things into the discourse without “deliberately” doing it.

    Fortunately, the people who buy this crap aren’t likely to vote for Obama even if his name was Johnson and he was born a Baptist. He’s black, and worse yet he’s a Democrat. Young people, on the other hand, will vote for Barak Obama, and they will bury the racist bastards under a deluge of new voters. But it’s not just the GOP and the racists who are worried, I think the DLC must be getting a little worried too, about what these new voters are going to do to their “old boy network”.

  • …Billy Shaheen talked up the drug issue, Mark Penn not-so-subtly threw around the word “cocaine” on MSNBC last week, Clinton herself warned of unidentified “surprises” from her rivals, and now a prominent Clinton supporter is subtly repeating some of the points in a deceptive email lie making the rounds.

    As I said yesterday, this is Clinton’s MO. Don’t forget it started much earlier than this, although with much less focus on Obama. Ferraro threw out the gender card, but Hillary kept plausible deniability. Bill went out dropping the swiftboat comparison, but Hillary could shrug it off. She’s got her attack dogs lined up and she’s practicing saying “I didn’t say it but since you brought it up…”

    Kerrey just overstepped his bounds here. He had a lot of people fooled yesterday; today, not so much I think.

  • I think it’s great that Bob Kerrey stopped raping puppies.

    Ostensibly, Kerrey was complimenting Obama, but at the same time, he was subtly hitting right-wing points, emphasizing Obama’s middle name and family lineage.

    You know what this reminds me of? Complimenting Dick Cheney on his lesbian daughter.

  • Shakespeare anyone?

    “And Brutus is an honorable man.”

    And we all know that Kerry is an honorable man.

    Just sayin’.

  • This is America and this type of attack works. It worked for Bush against McCain and it may as well work for Hillary. I am positive that more than 1/4 of the people actually believe that Obama is a muslim. Just ask around people that don’t read newspapers. She wants to be president and she will use any tactic that will give her an advantage. This one clearly does.

  • Yesterday CB said about this subject, “I report, you decide.”

    I’ve decided. Kerrey is doing someone’s dirty deeds – dirt cheap.

    I wonder whose dirty deeds he’s doing. Hmmmm……

  • Grumpy, I’m glad to hear that Kerrey has stopped raping puppies. It’s nice to see that he can rise above long time family traditions. I was wondering, however, if he still has that goat thing going with Kaus that someone said something about.

    More seriously, I’m furious about this. The second I saw the story, I had no doubt what he was doing and no doubt who was behind it. While I like the fact that Clinton can play dirty I abhor the campaign doing this against Dems. Let me rephrase that, I hate the fact that to win Dems need to be able to play dirty, but recognize that is the game today.

    On the other hand, what Kerrey is doing is precisely what Obama is in for from the reThugs if he wins the nomination. It’s not like this provides any new material for them to work with, so in that sense it gives Obama an opportunity to show he is up to combating it – which is the key to his being able to win after all.

    Greg at Horse’s Mouth has two current examples of how headline writers distort the news exacly in the same way Kerrey did. It’s at http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/12/cnn_obamas_drug.php

  • Here’s why I don’t buy this as a plant:

    “Reached on the phone Sunday evening, Kerrey said that’s not at all how he meant it.

    “What I said was an answer to a question,” Kerrey said.

    He’d been asked by a reporter from the Omaha World-Herald about the fact that the Clinton folks are hammering home the idea that Obama has little experience, while both Obama today and Kerrey in 1992 ran for president in their first Senate term.

    “My answer was yes, but I finished third in the primary. Obama’s smarter and more talented than I ever was, and he has two things which are connected to his life experience that give him special capacity,” Kerrey recalled. “First, he is African American and can speak to underperforming Black youth in a way that no other candidate can. He gave a speech in Selma that was incredible (LINK), that no white person could ever give. No government program could ever do what Barack Obama can do.

    “Second,” Kerrey continued, “his name is Barack Hussein Obama. I know that middle name is seen as a weakness by Republicans, but I don’t think it is. I think it enables him to speak to a billion Muslims around the world.”

    Kerrey said he’s spoken to Obama and his staffers and told them to “lead with it as a strength. There’s this nonsense out there about him being a Muslim Manchurian candidate. He should do a commercial, look the camera straight in the eye, and say, ‘My wife Michelle and I are Christians, but my father was a Muslim and my paternal grandfather was a Muslim, and that fact and my name means I can speak to a billion people around the world” who need to hear from the United States.”

    That just sounds like Bob Kerrey charging up the hill into the guns. He probably did tell the Obama and his people that. And he did say “secular madrassa.” I wouldn’t automatically rule out that he just though it was the word for school. But I’ve always liked Bob Kerrey, so I may be inclined to be charitable.

  • I like how Kerrey goes for the double play by calling Obama’s old school a “secular madrassa”. Secularism is another bogeyman that plays well with the same retards who think that anyone with the middle name “Hussein” must be suspicious, if not a Muslim. Tying secularism and Islam together must make it even worse for some of these idiots.

  • and Bob Kerrey manages to make the news cycle for the first time in a decade. Why is anything he says news again? I’m confused about that, his opinion on anything doesn’t seem especially relevant to me.

  • CalD has me thinking maybe Kerry is just an idiot.

    So I wonder, did Bob Kerrey tell Hillary to lead with “hormone imbalances” as a “strength”? She could speak to billions of women all over the world about how she understands what PMS is like and how to deal with it. How about high heels? Millions of American women walk around every day in high heels, and their feet really hurt at the end of the day. Hillary is the only Democrat who really understands what that feels like. She should go out and use that as an issue, right Bob?

  • having heard Kerrey go way off-message before, i still dont think this is a campaign-driven strategy as likely as it Kerrey going loose cannon.

    at this point it would be a bad campaign strategy – generating too much negative.

    i think it is just Kerrey violating the First Rule of Holes: stop digging.

  • So Bill has hired Bob to subtly go after the Muslim-hatin’ Black-hatin’ voter block. Big effing deal, I say let him.

  • It’s at moments like this that it’s wise to ask, “What’s Hillary ever done for us?” Her personal ambition will cost the party the presidency and poison the well in down-ticket races. As if that were not enough reason not to vote for her, she and the truly vile Mark Penn are now using Karl Rove’s playbook against a fellow Democrat. Shame on all of them. I hope Iowans are paying attention to this.

  • Oh come on folks. If this were LIEberman or Hatch you wouldn’t be scratching your heads over what he meant and was it possibly just a harmless comment.

  • I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but I’m with Mark Kleiman now.

    This man is a monster and a war criminal. Stop pretending that he’s above this kind of dirty politics.

  • Putting on my tin foil hat…

    What if Kerrey liked Edwards?

    Sow the misinformation, make it look like HRC ordered the hit… Edwards comes away clean.

    Okay, tin foil hat off.
    I don’t think this is how it went down, but it would be pretty smart, if dirty.

  • “secular madrassa”

    Good catch, RacerX. It’s an oxymoron, anyway, unless you want to count, say, MIT as a “secular madrassa.”

  • How anyone can read all this without questioning the basic goodness and decency of the Clintons is beyond me. The two of them are capable of saying anything, doing anything, to get what they want. They have no sense of personal limits and wouldn’t know what personal decency was if it came up and bit them.

    That her slimeball husband was ever considered a good president, and that this perception of him rubs off on her, shows just how debased our politics have become.

    When my feminist partner (who goes back to being a “Friend of Jane” for those of you who know these things) declares that there is no way she would vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances, it’s time for those of you who think of Hillary as a good candidate to sit up and take a whiff of reality.

    This crap with Kerrey and all the other pinstriped pimps and their sliming of Obama is just a more obvious demonstration of what the Clintons do all the time.

  • In addition to all the instances of smearing CB mentioned in the post, and the addendums added in this thread (doubtful at 12), we should mention the Obama-PAC “slushfund” smear, which was Novack’s infamous column was referring to, which was supposedly quietly circulated to reporters for months, which finally came out rather bluntly from the campaign itself, and, of course, which was totally factually baseless.

    And “kindergate”

    And “naive and irresponsible”

    Not only is Hillary full-blown negative, but she has been for awhile, in pretty much every facet of the campaign.

  • Let’s see now. Bill and Hillary sit Shaheen, Penn and Kerry down and show them the script. Thery tell them how important it is to get these remarks “out there’ since “it will do wonders for Hillary’s campaign.” All campaigns have their mistakes, misquotes and misfits but to suggest that the Clintons aren’t better politicians than this is preposterous. No candidate needs this BS and the Clintons know that as well as anyone. Better look around and in particular, Bob Kerry. He is no darling of the Democratic Party.

  • Amen to this a thousand times!

    How anyone can read all this without questioning the basic goodness and decency of the Clintons is beyond me. The two of them are capable of saying anything, doing anything, to get what they want. They have no sense of personal limits and wouldn’t know what personal decency was if it came up and bit them.

    That her slimeball husband was ever considered a good president, and that this perception of him rubs off on her, shows just how debased our politics have become.

    When my feminist partner (who goes back to being a “Friend of Jane” for those of you who know these things) declares that there is no way she would vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances, it’s time for those of you who think of Hillary as a good candidate to sit up and take a whiff of reality.

    This crap with Kerrey and all the other pinstriped pimps and their sliming of Obama is just a more obvious demonstration of what the Clintons do all the time.

  • Also, you have to question the character of anyone would have that complete and total slimeball Mark Penn run their campaign. I mean, come on!

  • I was going to hold my nose and vote for Hillary if she got the Dem nomination. Now, I’m not so sure I’ll be able to. With one hand holding my nose and the other holding my mouth to keep the acid reflux down, I don’t see how it could be possible. Obama isn’t my pick — Edwards is — but this is too much to accept as being coincidental.

  • I looked up “madrassa” and it actually is just the Arabic word for school as I suspected — any type of school, secular or religious.

  • I looked up “madrassa” and it actually is just the Arabic word for school as I suspected — any type of school, secular or religious. -CalD

    Then you’d think since all of the other words Bob Kerrey used were in American English that he’d say “school,” but instead he dropped a term that has been loaded by the media. O’Riely and Limbaugh spew it like it is a curse word.

    I’m starting to think that the real CDS is what Clinton supporters are suffering from: Clinton Denial Syndrome.

  • I apologize for the double post, but I wanted to clarify the second part of comment number 36 was not directed at CalD. I just re-read what I wrote and it came off wrong. It is meant for those, like Kerrey, who openly support Clinton and have relieved themselves of their own common sense.

  • Young people, on the other hand, will vote for Barak Obama, and they will bury the racist bastards under a deluge of new voters.

    Nothing personal, but this is delusional. Counting on young or new voters is a perfect recipe for defeat.

    Geezers vote, Young people don’t.

  • Nothing personal, but this is delusional. Counting on young or new voters is a perfect recipe for defeat.

    Geezers vote, Young people don’t.

    Nothing personal, but you couldn’t be more wrong.

    In the 2004 Presidential Elections 49% of 18 to 29 year olds voted, up from 40% in 2000. A nine percent increase in just one Presidential cycle!

    16% of all votes were cast by people under the age of 30.

    I don’t think any candidate is solely counting on young voters, but to say that they don’t vote and ignore what will likely be a fifth or more of the voting population is just unsound.

    http://www.civicyouth.org/PopUps/2004_votereport_final.pdf

    Of course, those are just documented facts. What good are those when you have opinions?

  • 3. On December 18th, 2007 at 9:31 am, neil wilson said:
    I have some Jewish friends who KNOW that former Senator Allen is a Jew because his mother was a Jew. It doesn’t really matter what George Allen thinks he is because he IS a Jew.

    I have some Muslim friends who KNOW that Obama is a Muslim because his father was a Muslim. It doesn’t really matter what Senator Obama thinks he is because he IS a Muslim.

    Now, frankly, I don’t care what religion anyone’s parents are or were and I don’t really care what religion a candidate is but there are people who do care.

    I am just writing this to point out that Obama can’t completely run away from his father’s religion

    For what it is worth, neil;
    The smear merchants are trying to say that because his father was a Muslim, Obama must also be a Muslim. It doesn’t necessarily follow and I don’t think Obama is trying to run away from his fathers religion.
    If your father is a Catholic, does that make you a Catholic?
    If your father is a Baptist, does that make you a Baptist?
    If your father is a Buddhist, does that make you a Buddhist?
    People may think of him as you suggest, but that does not make it so.
    Or are you being a little Trollish?
    David Chisholm

  • Just as though I were a nazi, I am going to point out that religion is spread by blood, so it’s very important that Obama’s grandfather was a muslim, as our good friend Bob Kerrey did, even though Barack Obama never knew his father and his father was an atheist.

    Also, when his Christian mother gave him the middle name Hussein, it was because she built a time machine and knew that one day a muslim dictator would have that name, and not because it was one of the most common names in the world and the name of her husband, whom she loved. This is important to point out.

    Also, even though the public kindergarten Obama attended would never have been called a madrassa, because they don’t speak Arabic in Indonesia, it’s important to use that word, because we want to put just enough doubt in the mind of the white American voter to scare them away. We also need to piss off enough minorities with some blatent racism to keep them at home in the general election so that the republicans keep power for generations.

  • Language . . . language . . .

    What am I to make of the fact that my blonde haired, green-eyed club-hopping Art History major American daughter graduated high school from Cairo American College, known to the local population as ‘Madrassa Amrikiya?’ CAC is about as international as Sidwell Friends, and about as religiously oriented as my public high school in North Carolina. Kerrey is a politician, which should never be underestimated, but in fact he was speaking a simple truth: in the Arab/Muslim world ALL schools are loosely referred to as madrassas–from government operated public schools to private international schools to, yes, mosque-affiliated schools tasked to religiously indoctrinate. In this context, it’s certainly no big deal to refer to ‘secular madrassas.’

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