Bork made this easier

When Robert Bork was nominated for the Supreme Court, he made things pretty easy. Before becoming a nominee, Bork said all manner of bizarre and scary things. As a nominee, he tried to justify all of them, as anyone with confidence in his or her beliefs might. So, when Ted Kennedy noted, for example, that Bork supported a law that imposed a poll tax on voters, Bork acknowledged his position and said, “It was only $1.50.”

Of course, this strategy — which I’m inclined to call the “let me explain my insanity” defense — didn’t work out too well for Bork, and subsequent nominees have learned not to give a lot of rope to a room full of people anxious to hang you. But like Kevin Drum, I’m left with the frustrating feeling that Samuel Alito is keeping all the best rope to himself.

Is Alito fudging furiously? Probably. But it still doesn’t give liberals much of a purchase to lead a battle against his nomination. Subtle arguments about the nature of stare decisis and the precise extent of the president’s Article II powers just aren’t going to get very many people ready to take to the streets with pitchforks. So what’s the battle cry?

I appreciate that there’s some debate among progressive blog writers about whether to fight like there’s no tomorrow or concede that we’re just not going to win this one because the votes just aren’t there. I’m inclined towards the prior because I genuinely believe that Alito will be a disaster on everything I care about.

But Alito isn’t an idiot and knows what not to say. If you haven’t been watching/listening, take a look at the (partial) transcript. Alito expressed tacit support for a right to privacy and the principle of one-person/one-vote. When asked about his description of the “supremacy” of presidential power, Alito backpedaled and said his choice of words was “inapt,” added that the executive should “absolutely not” have “unchecked authority.” Confronted with his membership in the Concerned Alumni of Princeton, Alito didn’t remember joining and disavowed the group’s agenda.

But, you say, none of these responses were true and Alito is only saying what he has to say in order to get through the hearings. Of course he is. The problem is how to fight a nominee — possibly with a filibuster — who’s steering clear of Bork-like lunacy. Dems went into the hearings vowing to challenge the nomination based on Alito’s responses to questions, as if to say, “We’ll look for the rope in his responses.” Surprise, surprise, Alito isn’t playing along.

Alito deserves to be defeated; I’m open to suggestion as to how to make that happen.

Give him a blowjob?

  • Pick one point, hammer mercilously. I think that CAP would be my choice.

    The group was openly anti woman, anti minority, and openly affirmitive action – for tool-less white guys. His association was meaningful enough to put on a job application *years* later, but he can’t recall?

    Just ask for the truth – a) I belonged to the group, believed at the time, but have either changed my mind or do not want to openly acknowledge those beliefs at this time or b) I felt that Reagan’s people were racist and I padded my resume to appeal to them. Hate group, resume for a government job – ‘I can’t recall’ seems to question his mental capacity or his honesty.

    Honesty should be a criteria to sit on the supreme court – so pester the little prick, along with reminders about his past problems with truthfullness with Congress, until his poor little white guy mentality gets the best of him and he puts his foot in his mouth.

    -jjf

  • Judge Samuel Alito did you or did you not order the code red!!! We want answers!!! We want the truth!!!!

  • I am not too sure that the Dems really want to keep Alito off the court. I have heard many times from different legal scholars that aboriton is just a smoke screen for both parties. The true value of Alito and Roberts to lawmakers and big business is their ultra pro business leanings. Decisions favoring big business will be the rule for years to come especially concerning property rights. Also , the dems know if Roe is overturned there will be a backlash from women voters and if Roe is not overturned many Republican voters will be angered. As usual money and more laws enabling big business to make more money are what is at stake here.

  • I still think that the whole honesty thing is the way to play this, particularly in light of the corruption scandals now in the news. Dems should not focus on a particular issue, other than ‘Honesty.” They should just say they simply do not believe him and think he is not being truthful with the Senate:

    Should we believe a man when he claims he has no real recollection of an organization when in fact he was a member of that organization for 8+ years? I bet every American can recall their role in an organization they voluntarily chose to be a member of for almost a decade, regardless of how long ago that was. Should we believe a man who prides himself on his Constitutional understanding and knowledge when that man states he had little opinion or interest in the most important constitutional case of the past 6 years? Should we believe a man who promised and swore to remove himself from any cases involving the investment company where he keeps the bulk of his savings and then he fails to do so even when the name of that company is plastered in that case’s heading and throughout the case? Of course we cannot. Especially in light of all of the corruption and deception that has been the hallmark of these past 5 years. Because of this we must fight this nomination with every method available to us. The GOP simply cannot, at this critical time, be trusted with such a sensitive and important nomination.

  • One easy thing to do is show that he is lying about his involvement in CAP. Im sure if some investigative types went back in time and met others in the group, they could find out just how active he was.

  • Go back to Rian’s opinion from yesterday-
    Here’s a solution. Since they’re talking so much about being defensive and vague about just about anything as the “Ginsburg standard”, some senator should ask if Alito completely agrees with the statement you just quoted.
    Mr Alito, Mrs Ginsburg said in her confirmation hearing, “[The right to an abortion] is something central to a woman’s life, to her dignity. It’s a decision that she must make for herself. And when government controls that decision for her, she’s being treated as less than a fully adult human responsible for her own choices.” Yes or no: do you agree with those statements? And what, if any, reservations do you hold about them?

    Comment by Rian Mueller — 1/9/2006 @ 4:08 pm

  • Rian and Jim beat me to the punch. I wholeheartedly agree: let’s hold his feet to the fire on the “Ginsburg standard” by directly addressing her response. No crawfishing/evasiveness allowed.

  • i can tell you how, and it’s not at all complicated!

    instead of senators standing around debating whether to attack alito’s record or fight another day,

    i suggest

    doing what a senator is supposed to do:

    raise questions about the candidate’s legal reasoning, his qulaifications, and his character.

    until democratic senators start asking tough questions and demanding an end to evasive answers, nothing can develop.

    if democratic senators, and republcians too for that matter, ask lots of relevant quesitons and don’t accept a lot of fudging from alito and, in the end, there still seems not to be any great deficiency in his reasoning or character, then he’s a capable candidate.

    as far as i am concerned, the first ruile in politics is :

    you can’t win if you are afraid of losing.

    let the senators ask lots of hard questions. if they are piloried as unfair, partisan, hostile, so be it.

    it is the responsibility of senators to educatie the public, including educating them about alito.

    alito’s record is full of questionable legal decisions. and his persoanl record is replete with examples of his exaggerating or lying. what’s preventing democrats from raising these points in open session?

  • Roe v. Wade or ‘the Ginsburg standard’ may draw attention to Alito’s views, but that won’t defeat the nomination. Sure some conservatives want Roe overturned, but many conservative party leaders are happy exactly where it is since it motivates the conservative troops. Likewise for democrats. Conservatives will chip away at it but not overturn it outright. The backlash would be too great.

    To defeat the nomination, I suggest focusing on NSA spying and executive power, as in Bush’s claim that he can issue a ‘signing statement’ reserving the right to ignore a law passed by Congress. The signing statement comes straight from Alito, and the view of the “unitary executive” are not “mainstream”. If Alito is hammered on these points, he could easily lose moderate republican support. Moreover, current senators would have little political cover for voting to ban torture then sanctioning an edict that asserts the law is not binding on the president.

  • Listening to the proceedings now and I think the issue of Vanguard is a non-starter. I hope the senators let it go.

  • I don’t know about defeat, but it seems to me that Democrats should make this a matter of principle — there is simply know way to know whether any of Alito’s answers can be believed. He would have us think that we should put absolutely no stock in his previous statements, opinions, or work in GOP administrations during the 80s and 90s. Very well — so why should any Democratic senator assume that he is doing anything differently in this “job interview” than in previous ones? Essentially Alito is saying himself that whatever he says in these hearings is not to be trusted — he is not saying it that baldly, of course.

    Obviously, the Bush administration and its hard-right supporters are behind this guy for a reason. The rest of us have every right to know what that reason is. Alito would have us believe it’s because he likes puppies, or makes good chili, or has an enormous schlong — anything other than the near certainty of his voting against abortion rights each and every chance he gets.

    Either somebody’s expectations are completely unrealistic — in which case they deserve answers — or Alito is not just being evasive but is fundamentally misrepresenting himself. Either way, Alito’s got some ‘splainin’ to do. And if he won’t do it, then he forfeits any consideration for this office.

    Or so one or more Democrats should say…

  • They should have started with CAP, first question– and when he started to answer, they should have cut him off with a follow-up question immediately. They should have prepared follow-ups ahead of time, so that they could be ready to grill when they recognized him beginning to deliver a response they had anticipated.

    I think defeating the nomination is sunk, especially if the Dems didn’t go and hit one out of the park as soon as they got the chance.

  • And he’s not letting Alito weasel out of his earlier statements!

    Sorry. No more play-by-play.

  • Dems should say: We cannot take his statements in this job application any more seriously than he would have us take his statements in earlier job applications. His answers to questions about CAP and the Vanguard recusal have been less than convincing. We are forced to vote no, because Judge Alito’s evasiveness gives us no reason to vote yes.

  • Re: ‘no reason to vote yes’

    I agree that that is what they should do, but the problem is that many expressed reservations about John Roberts, who was not always forthcoming, yet voted to confirm anyway. These dems would be afraid of the criticism they would face from republicans.

  • This is probably minor but I’m not sure if “no reason to vote yes” is consistent with the idea of advise and consent. Senators should provide a reason with a yes or no vote, I think especially with a no vote, since they are essentially being asked to approve someone else’s (the president’s) nomination.

    I think it would be particularly unfair to say no and not explain why, and that sort of stance would hurt the electorate’s opinion of the no-voters.

    Additionally, I think it’s also unfair to the voters to say yes simply because he’s the president’s pick. That’s also an abrogation of the senate’s responsibility of advise and consent, and the sycophants such as Lindsay Graham need to show some independence and backbone.

  • “Alito deserves to be defeated; I’m open to suggestion as to how to make that happen.”

    It’s a lost cause. It can’t be done, and it won’t
    be done, and the Dems are rolling over, as they
    have on virtually everything this president has
    wanted.

    Move on, not in the sense that it’s not a worthy
    topic, but from the point of view that it has to
    be thrown out of our hope chests as hopeless.

    Alito will be confirmed easily, spygate is dead,
    and the American people will see Abegate as
    bipartisan, and the Dems won’t fuss over it.

    Maybe there is something else, but my hope chest
    is empty. These guys have won. And apparently,
    this is the kind of country Americans want. You
    figure it. I give up.

  • Rian

    Do you mind if I get on the threads and post that quote from yesterday everywhere I can? If you allow me to do this, shall I use your name or attribute it to anon? I think your suggestion needs to be spread around until it reaches a Senator’s ear. It might not stop this, but it is something to try.

  • You testified to Congress that you would recuse yourself from cases involving Vanguard.

    You didn’t.

    You lied to Congress.

    Is there some reason we shouldn’t hold you in contempt of Congress and explore charges of perjury?

  • No, post it EVERYWHERE. If it reaches an interested senator on the judiciary committee, all the better! You can attribute it to me if you want. I don’t mind if you don’t, though.

  • Rian

    Thanks. I’ll start tommorrow morning, and I will attribute it to you and the Carpetbagger Report.

  • From Steve Clemons at http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

    “But the clincher is that he is committed to a vision of expansive Executive Branch power in our government at a time when the other branches sorely need to be propped up — and need to get back in the business of curbing Executive authority. Our democracy is in fragile shape on many fronts — and the Courts and Legislature must reassert themselves and end the de facto monarchy America has tripped into.”

    There seems to be a hint of comprehension amongst the baffled masses that Dear Leader is pushing into undesirable territory with his spying and admonishments for loyal obeisance to his wishes and twisted delusions. Tying ScAlito to ShrubCo’s megalomania however and whenever possible might chip away at his bland presentation.

  • Reading through the comments here, I see a few good arguments for why Democrat Senators would/should vote “no” on the confirmation. I also see a few ideas on how to convince Democratic voters that Alito would not represent their interests. These ideas would help bolster support behind those Democrat Senators that choose to vote “no”. However, even if EVERY Democrat Senator votes “no”, Alito will still end up confirmed since the Republicans currently have a majority and it’s unlikely that enough of them will break ranks over this.

    What is really needed is an idea for a line of questioning or a tactic that will tip the scale in the Democrats favor.

    There are two ways I can think of to “tip the scale”, so what is needed is an idea that will bring about one of these situations. (or perhaps there is another “scale tipping” method I haven’t thought of?)

    1) At the time of the confirmation vote there are more Democrats than Republicans voting in the Senate.

    2) Enough Republicans are convinced that the consequences of voting against their party are less severe for them personally (or their family/friends) than the consequences of voting for Altio.

    Perhaps there are some delaying tactics that can be used that can stall the vote for an entire year so that there is time to get more Democrats into the Senate? Perhaps there is enough scandal to remove enough of the Republican Senators from office so they no longer have a majority? Perhaps there is some aspect of Alito that is offensive enough to a few Senators that if it’s brought up enough they’ll decide to vote with the Democrats? Perhaps we can add a few new states to the Union and those states will elect Democrat Senators? Any other ideas?

  • One troubling statement from Alito yesterday was the following in response to one of Senator Kennedy’s questions on the Vanguard issue:

    “And one of the reasons why judges tend to invest in mutual funds is because they generally do not present recusal problems. And pro se cases in particular generally don’t present recusal problems.”

    Pro se cases in particular …? That comment captures one of the main problems with Alito. I seems to me that pro se cases especially ought to present recusal problems, because pro se plaintiffs are in Court buck naked, and the Court should go out of its way to make sure those plaintiffs are not “run over” by wiley and heavily lawyered defendants. So when the Court, itself, has connections to those defendants it should be obliged to step aside to ensure there is “no appearance of impropriety” a/k/a ganging up on a plaintiff. But Alito clearly sees this, not as an issue for the Court to ensure fairness to those who cannot afford legal counsel, but rather as an issue where recusal only arises with respect to parties that can afford the expense of a lawyer to raise the conflict issue and request recusal. The Court need not be bothered with considerations of fairness of process for those who come before the Court without power or money. This attitude pervades Alito’s entire judicial career.

  • Swan, discussing CAP may still be in coming today. (What is CAP again?) I noticed that Feingold and Schumer both concentrated on different topics both of great concern to us. And it appears that Kennedy quizzed him on Vanguard, which I missed, so perhaps the Democrats are coordinating their lines of questioning, and someone else is slated to ask about CAP. Does anyone know if this is usual?

    Danny, I wonder if hammering more on abortion will generate more dissatisfaction with Alito. He says he isn’t predisposed to overturn Roe, but that is in direct conflict with his 1985 job application. Why should we believe what he says now? He doesn’t provide any convincing arguments to make us believe he is no longer a pro-life activist. I think a lot of moderate voters have been hoodwinked by the Bush administration into thinking he’s going to be fair, but that impression is based on nothing. It should be torn down. And if more voters are convinced against that, some pro-choice GOP senators will follow.

  • I haven’t been following this closely enough. How many GOP senators are needed to prevent confirmation? How many (any?) are currently expected to vote against confirmation? How many pro-choice GOP senators are there and how many of them even might be swayed?

  • You need 51 senators to vote against confirmation. If it ends up in a tie, Cheney will break the tie to allow the appointment.

    I have no idea who’s expected to vote how. I know that Oregon’s Democratic senator is undecided and Oregon’s GOP senator has already decided to support him.

  • Perhaps with a little prodding we can get The Carpetbagger to give us his opinion on where the numbers stand at the moment, and which senators are “on the fence” on both sides of the aisle?

  • Perhaps with a little prodding we can get The Carpetbagger to give us his opinion on where the numbers stand at the moment, and which senators are “on the fence” on both sides of the aisle?

    Prod accepted. Rian’s math is right — 51 votes beats Alito, anything less doesn’t. The “easiest” way to 51 is every Dem, the only independent, and six Senate Republicans.

    Are Dems completely united? Probably not. With Roberts, the party was split right down the middle, 22 to 22. Most seem to believe it will be far more one-sided with Alito, but 44-0? Probably not. Rumor has it that Kohl (Wis.) is on the fence, as is Nelson (Neb.) and both Arkansas senators (Lincoln and Pryor). I’d also look at any Dem senator in a “red” state who’s up for re-election this year, including Conrad (N.D.) and Nelson (Fla.).

    On the other side, are Alito opponents anywhere near six Republican “no” votes? Not as of right now. Chafee (R.I.), Snowe (Maine), and Collins (Maine) all say they’re undecided. Specter (Pa.) seems to be strongly leaning in favor of Alito. “Mavericks” like McCain and Hagel haven’t said much, but it’s hard to imagine them voting against him.

    All of this is subject to change, of course, but that’s where things stand. Hope this is helpful.

  • So if I’ve got this straight, Dems need to hang on to Specter (R-Pa) as well as AT LEAST 6 fence sitting DEMS AND pick up 3 fence sitting GOP and at that point they’ll still be 3 short of voting down the confirmation!?

    While I don’t find it a stretch to believe that hammering on abortion will help firm up party unity for the fence sitting Dems…

    Is it realistic to believe that hammering on abortion will create enough public pressure to flip 6 GOP Senators to an anti-Alito position?

    Perhaps you have more faith in the current public’s awareness, interest, and activism than I do.

    It’s starting to look like a showdown over the filibuster is the only option the Dems have.

  • Isn’t the easiest way to stop Alito is for the committee to not let him through? We’d need 2 GOP senators on the committee to vote against, right? Specter seems possible…any chance that DeWine might vote no to help shore up his reelection chances in Ohio?

    Clearly we’d need a smoking gun for this to happen. A lie re: CAP; a bork like response on Roe v Wade or Griswold…

  • I’m skeptical about Specter. If what CB says is true, he’s cheerleading for Alito just like Graham.

  • I once put a little thought into the question of why Bork was borked. My conclusion was that it was because he threatened Congress’s authority. Even though Congress was happy to hand over massive amounts of power to the president during the 20th century, it was very clear that Bork wanted to finish the job, perhaps with the risk of Congress becoming merely a puppet of the president.

    Think about it. Beyond partisanship, what do congressman care about? Surely, power and prestige are why they got into the business. A judge who was openly contemptuous of them, like Bork, threatened both of those things.

    Now Alito isn’t openly contemptuous, but his writings indicate that he might make judgments that will take power away from the Congress. And with the recent moves by the Bush administration ignoring Congress, this should be a hot button issue. I think it was Ted Kennedy I heard referring to this particular problem, and personally, I think it’s the only real shot the Dems have against this nominee, assuming they can’t find a ‘scandal’ in his background.

  • Sorry Rian, you’re right. I mis-read CB’s post. Somehow I thought it said, “Specter (Pa.) seems to be strongly leaning in our favor”.

    So to amend my previous post…

    So if I’ve got this straight, Dems need to hang on to ALL the fence sitting Dems of which there are AT LEAST 6, AND pick up ALL the fence sitting GOP of which only 3 are thought to be likely here, and at that point they’ll still be 3 short of voting down the confirmation!?

    I think everything else I stated still applies, in particular the part about my not having enough faith in the public’s awareness, interest, and activism to believe that any amount of “hammering on abortion” will create enough public pressure to flip 6 GOP senators into an anti-Alito position.

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