Bringing reporters into the ‘bubble’

Dan Froomkin offered a helpful update the other day of one of my favorite TV interviews of recent memory — Irish TV’s Carole Coleman sit-down with George W. Bush.

Long-time readers may recall that Coleman gave Bush fits, interrupting his filibusters and pushing him to acknowledge reality. The president, who had grown accustomed to a certain deference from the American media, was visibly displeased. In fact, the White House was so irritated by Coleman’s rebelliousness, it retaliated against the reporter by filing a complaint with her superiors and against the network by canceling a scheduled interview with Laura Bush. (Retaliation is one of the few things the Bush gang does with real efficiency.)

This past weekend, Coleman reflected on her testy ten minutes with Bush in an entertaining column. The insight into the production of a White House interview — at least, with regards to this White House — spoke volumes.

For example, Irish TV wasn’t allowed to film the interview; White House cameras would record it and loan the tape to the network. Moreover, Coleman had to submit a list of questions and topics in advance, so that Bush could be appropriately “briefed” before the discussion.

There was also coaching and prodding.

[A younger male sidekick named Colby] suggested that I ask the president about the yellow suit the taoiseach had worn the previous week at the G8 Summit on Sea Island in Georgia. I laughed loudly and then stopped to study his face for signs that he was joking — but he didn’t appear to be. “The president has a good comment on that,” he said.

The taoiseach’s suit had been a shade of cream, according to the Irish embassy. But alongside the other more conservatively dressed leaders, it had appeared as a bright yellow, leaving our Bertie looking more like the lead singer in a band than the official representative of the European Union. It was amusing at the time, but I was not about to raise a yellow suit with the president. “Really?” I asked politely. But a little red flag went up inside my head.

Then [another aide] announced that she had some news for me. “There may be another interview in the pipeline for you,” she said. […] “We’re not supposed to tell you this yet, but we are trying to set up an interview with the first lady.”

The Bubble Boy policies never quit.

In this instance, the stagecraft was necessary for one 10-minute interview with an Irish reporter. It included question-screening, suggested (trivial) topics, and a bribe in exchange for cooperation.

To her credit, Coleman was aggressive, self-assured, and unyielding. The White House was livid.

“We just want to say how disappointed we are in the way you conducted the interview,” she said.

“How is that?” I asked.

“You talked over the president, not letting him finish his answers.”

“Oh, I was just moving him on,” I said, explaining that I wanted some new insight from him, not two-year-old answers.

“He did give you plenty of new stuff.”

She estimated that I had interrupted the president eight times and added that I had upset him. […] “You were given an opportunity to interview the leader of the free world and you blew it.”

Actually, she hadn’t. It was one of the better interviews of Bush’s presidency. If we were really lucky, they’d all be like this one.

Carole Coleman is one of my heroes.

  • I wonder is there is a pillow-bearer in Shruby’s entourage always ready to place a silk covered pad beneath his Shruby tush before he lowers himself into the seated position? He’d look quite splendid with a tiara and wand.

  • I remember the interview.
    Watched it twice back then.

    Nice to read the transcripts.
    Time has a way of making words shine:

    Bush:

    “He said — the United Nations said, disarm or face serious consequences. That’s what the United Nations said. And guess what? He didn’t disarm. He didn’t disclose his arms. And, therefore, he faced serious consequences. But we have found a capacity for him to make a weapon.”

    A supersharp interviewer would have asked:

    Mr. President how do you disarm weapons you don’t have? He said he didn’t have any weapons. He didn’t. How do you disarm a MERE capacity to make weapons?

    That would have made Stupid so tongue-tied he’d have spit blood….

    The other thing that shines through again and again is Bush’s rich boy petulance:

    Let me finish. Let me finish, please. Please. You ask the questions and I’ll answer them, if you don’t mind.

    That reveals oddles about his character. And really, his complete misunderstanding about democracy and the role of the presidency.

    One can really see why Miers’ fawning fits him so well.

  • Just in case anyone (like me) didn’t have a clue what taoiseach is, it’s the Prime Minister of Ireland, appointed by the President on the nomination of the lower house of Parliament. As you can easily tell from the spelling, it’s pronounced something like “TEE-shulk”. See here and hear here. For still more info, including a list of the taoisigh all the way back to 1937, look here.

  • Note:

    That reveals oddles about his character. And really, his complete misunderstanding about democracy and the role of the presidency.

    I should have completed the thought:

    Democracy is a conversation.
    Bush doesn’t even remotely understand that.
    And because he doesn’t understand the role of dialog, he can’t fathom the role of compromise in a democracy either.

    You are either with Bush or against him.

    In other words: Bush really is a dicatator.
    To paraphrase what goes on in that sick brain of his:

    See…you ask the questions… and I dictate…. See…

  • Ya know, I read the interview, never saw it and I don’t like doing this, but I’ll say Bush wasn’t that bad. The interviewer was not letting him finish, and for that matter, I don’t think he was giving 2nd grader answers. This same thing happened to Clinton in England where he got badgered by a reporter and it didn’t, despite Clinton’s mastery, turn out that well. Personally, I think the interviewer was being a bit petulent. There’s so much to ask him, to get caught on, to prepare for and she had a golden opportunity to get it out of him but chose to go into attack mode and devalue her own work.

    That being said, this line struck me:
    “And then there have been bombings since then — not because of my response to Iraq.”

    My response to Iraq.

  • I think this is a prime example of why most of the U.S. media have gone soft on the Bush administration. Because by going soft it ensures that they will retain access. And access allows them to do their jobs. And doing their jobs allows them to remain employed. And remaining employed allows them to earn a living.

    Sad, really. Nobody’s got any balls.

    Carole Coleman may have lost her access, but at least she’s got balls! (in the figurative sense, of course)

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