Bush blames war for poor economic numbers

The president chatted with ABC News business reporter Betsy Stark yesterday as the White House tries to shift public attention away from the war and onto the economy. (via D. Froomkin)

Stark: “You’ve . . . been frustrated. You haven’t gotten more credit for this good economy. Can that be summed up in one word? Can that be summed up as Iraq?”

Bush: “I think so, yes. Look, it’s a — people are working and — and they’re — and wages are up. But we’re in a time of war. And its — war is unsettling. War is negative.” […]

Stark: “I know you don’t love polls. But I’m going to tell you one we did recently that showed that 67 percent say you don’t understand the problems of average Americans. Why do you think so many people feel that way?”

Bush: “You know, I don’t know. It’s an interesting question. I think it’s because of the war, again, I think because people are feeling pretty down about, you know, things because of the war. On the other hand, I know if the government took their money in terms of higher taxes, they would feel even worse.”

In other words, most Americans disapprove of the president’s handling of the economy … and it’s the war’s fault. “War is negative,” so much so, apparently, that we no longer are able to accurately assess the state of our finances. (And what’s with this question: “You haven’t gotten more credit for this good economy”? How about a little objectivity?)

As in most instances, I think Bush has the broader dynamic backwards. In the most recent Post/ABC poll, 29% of Americans said they approve of the president’s handling of Iraq; 41% said they approve of his handling of the economy. Bush believes the prior is dragging the latter down. I’d argue the opposite is happening. Americans are widely disappointed with the performance of the economy in recent years, but they say, “At least his handling of the economy isn’t as disastrous as the war.” In contrast to his fiasco in Iraq, Bush looks like a maestro when it comes to economic affairs.

Nico, meanwhile, patiently explains to the president (and for that matter, ABC’s Betsy Stark) that the economy, when judged on its merits, isn’t nearly as impressive as Bush and his supporters seem to think.

* Job growth is the weakest on record. Job growth during the current business cycle, beginning in March 2001, has averaged an annualized 0.5 percent per month, the lowest of any business cycle since the Great Depression. In fact, this is less than a quarter of the average of all prior business cycles since World War II.

* Sharp spike in costs for necessities. From March 2001 through June 2006, prices for the five largest consumption items–medical care, housing, food, household operation, and cars–grew more than twice as fast as they did for the smallest five consumption items. At the same time, college costs continue to soar.

* Wage gains have been minimal. Real wages have barely moved during the recovery or since the period when the economy stopped losing jobs in August 2003. Between March 2001 and December 2006, real hourly wages grew at an average annualized rate of 0.5 percent, and real weekly wages grew at an average annualized rate of 0.4 percent.

* Families spent all of their disposable income and then some. For the first time since the Great Depression, the personal saving rate became negative in 2005. In the third quarter of 2006, the saving rate was -1.2 percent, the sixth quarter in a row with a negative saving rate.

Note to Bush: Americans are capable of judging the war and the economy independently — and you’re failing on both.

“On the other hand, I know if the government took their money in terms of higher taxes, they would feel even worse.” The only ones who would feel worse would be those high income taxpayers who received the huge tax breaks from bush & co. the rest of us didn’t get any benefit from those tax cuts, but we’re the ones who have to buy fuel oil, gasoline, go to the doctor, etc. in fact, i’d feel a helluva lot better if i knew those millionaires were paying their fair share….

  • Stark: “You’ve . . . been frustrated. You haven’t gotten more credit for this good economy. Can that be summed up in one word? Can that be summed up as Iraq?”

    Disney TV strikes again. Score one for the folks on the sixth floor at Mauschwitz. I bet she swallows, too, and in public even!

  • Note to Bush: Americans are capable of judging the war and the economy independently — and you’re failing on both.

    Good! That’s what he needs to hear. If interviewers would take off their dumb-down attitudes and treat him like any other fool they would eat him alive with the truth.

  • Maybe the lack of enthusiasm for the economy is due to all the sacrifices people have been making in the war on terra.

    You know, according to Shrub, Americans are making enormous sacrifes to “win”. Like the sacrifice they make when seeing people blow up on the evening news at dinner time every day.

    Can you imagine having to see things blow up in Iraq on TV and having taxes on rich folks go up at the same time.

    No way that’d be way too much to stand.

  • Betsy probably thinks the economy is doing great, because she is a reporter for a major network, and senior enough to interview the president. I would guess that in this position, she is pulling down a six-figure salary.
    If I were pulling in that much, I’d think things were great, too.
    Get my drift?

  • Stark: “You’ve . . . been frustrated. You haven’t gotten more credit for this good economy. Can that be summed up in one word? Can that be summed up as Iraq?”

    Ah, it’s easy for her to say considering that she’s probably in the top 10% of all wage earners. The economy’s been berry berry good for them with the stock market soaring.

    In Dec I was visiting friends in SoCal where I read a front page article in the San Diego Chronicle whose headline screamed that the average price in the once ultra hot San Diego Real Estate Market dropped some 20% in 2-3 months. Considering that the housing boom powered the consumer spending boom, this is not a good sign for the US economy.

  • you cannot teach penguins how to fly

    No more than you can teach fearful racist troglodytes to think for themselves.

    What’s with the trolls here lately? They’re not even entertaining.

    -GFO

  • Looks like those 67% percent were correct about Bush not understanding the problems of the average American. It’s as if the only problems he can understand are his own.

  • Can you imagine having to see things blow up in Iraq on TV and having taxes on rich folks go up at the same time.
    No way that’d be way too much to stand.
    Comment by brian — 1/31/2007 @ 3:59 pm

    If that gets our guys the hell out of Iraq sooner than later, it’s just fine and dandy by me.

    -GFO

  • BuzzMon,

    Typical Aryan Nation smothering tactics. They find a board or newsgroup they like and then throw in their crap till the board shuts down or they take it over. They’ve done this to various internet newsgroups and I guess they figure blogs are next.

  • Bush’s note to self: Next interview tell the American public to help the war effort by going out and shopping more AND to take a few Prozac too!

    Bush tries telling the nation in speech after speech that we are in a cataclysmic battle royale against the minions of all diabolical evil and if they prevail we’ll all burn in the firey depths of this earthly hell and then wonders why the American public is feeling a bit down about his losing the war?

  • well OF COURSE it’s because of the war, silly. You see, if we had gone in and, after they greeted us with flowers and chocolates and virgins (like they were supposed to), they had handed over all their oil facilities, intact and working, and said “Here, Americans, thank you so much for getting rid of Saddam and allowing us to get the chance to be Christians and Republicans and have a truly free market society – take all of our oil, for free! – as a small token of our thanks and gratitude” – if that had happened, and they hadn’t persisted in prolonging the war even after George announced that the MISSION was ACCOMPLISHED – we wouldn’t be paying $3/gallon for gas and people wouldn’t be bitchin bout the economy.

    Of course when Bush was running in 1999 and oil prices first started rising, Bush pronounced how easy it would be to keep oil cheap because he would just get everybody together in a room and get them to agree to keep it cheap because he said so – but he hasn’t really done that since he’s become President now, has he? But it IS all the war’s fault (and Saddam’s fault too!

  • I’ve got to say that these are the worst trolls I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen a lot. They’re not even close to being on-topic or entertaining. I’m sorry, Carpetbagger, but you either get with the program and hire us some better trolls, or I’m taking my blog reading elsewhere.

    (Just joking, no other blog will take me)

  • I tell who’s behind the African terrorist-loving Zionist movement:

    JOHN EDWARDS!!

    whatever happened to that guy, Andy F?

  • War is negative. Freedom is untidy. Four legs good. Two legs bad. Brought to you by the most Orwellian government since….well.. Orwell.

  • we do seem to be getting an increasing number of trolls. i sure hope CB can do something about them. it makes it difficult to navigate thru the comments when you’ve got them in the way……

  • “That which prevents Black people from performing on a White level is one of biology” – Stupid

    So we shouldn’t see any inferior negros playing in the cracker superior game on Sunday.

    On sculptures. WTF are you retarded ? That makes zero sense, no makes less then zero sense. But for the sake of arguement, name a white person who has put out anything near the quality of the Venus or David ? Or are Greeks brown people ?

    JACKASS.

    I forgot, what the hell is this post about anyways, oh Bush and the war/economy. Ya I bet stupid has seen a real wage increase this past 10 years, probably not, but good news stupid, soon you will get a $2/hr raise. Thank us later.

  • “take all of our oil, for free! – as a small token of our thanks and gratitude” – Ethel-to-Tilly

    Get with the program, we would have never received free oil, the oil companies would have received it, we would still be paying $3 gallon.

  • he turns it into an oasis.

    Pissing Bud Light in your sand box and proclaiming “Oasis!” doesn’t count.
    Take a nice long walk in the Mojave, trogboy, and tell me how that oasis concept works out for you.

    Dr. B – what I wonder is, what linked to what that led it here?

    CB, you’re famous!

  • Gee Mr. pResident, could you tell us who started this unsettling negative war? And speaking of the economy perhaps you can discuss the cost of the unsettling negative war on the economy for say…the next hundred years.

  • I personally would love to see any priceless sculpture created or any oasis created by Stupified. It really does take an insecurity person to think that he is better than others by virtue of the genius of others.
    Make any priceless scupltures or any deserts bloom, lately, Stupified? LOL

  • Good point, Scott, let’s get back to the subject at hand.

    ” ..war is unsettling. War is negative”

    Especially wars led by shitheads.
    I’m sorry that we’re not so happy that the relatively okay economy isn’t taking over the news of the carnage coming out of Iraq, but Americans get a little nervous around wars that seem to spiral out of control.

  • too bad about the trolls but it’s best to ignore them, because they are:
    S T U P I D.

    As to the thread we were trying to write about, GWB is just trying to change the subject because he sees his presidency coming undone at the seams, and he is on TV trying to be charming and personable. He is many hours late and many dollars short. I doubt that there is anything he could say or do, short of re-deployment, which could change anyone’s opinion of him. He has completely lost his way.

  • “When the Yellow man finds an oasis in the desert, he maintains it.
    When the Black man encounters an oasis, he turns it into a desert.
    When a White man finds a desert, he turns it into an oasis.”

    Sounds like the Klan is opening a new casino in Vegas

  • At least with Democratic-style deficit spending you also end up with some useful new infrastructure and a boost to the economy. With the Republican plan, all you get is the waste, the corruption, and an extraordinarily low boost to the economy relative to the size of the deficit.

  • Josh Bolten used the same “super economy” type spin on NPR last week when he touted “the best economy we’ve had in years” in the interview.

  • SuckupStark: “I know you don’t love polls. But I’m going to tell you one we did recently that showed that 67 percent say you don’t understand the problems of average Americans. Why do you think so many people feel that way?”

    Bush: “You know, I don’t know. It’s an interesting question. I think it’s because of the war, again…

    Actually, Bush finally got one right… Mr Bush, 67 percent of Americans say “you don’t understand the problems of average Americans” because you keep trying to start even more insanely stupid wars, wasting all our money on contracts to Haliburton, when we really need health care and alternative energy.

    For some reason Americans don’t understand your desire to waste all our money trying to one-up your dad.

  • Troll-banning…it’ll make the Olympics one of these days, and CB can bring home the gold for the good guys!

    As for the tanked economy, five words for “decider-boy:”

    “IT’S THE TAX CUTS, STUPID!”

  • So today Bush talked about excessive CEO pay, saying that their pay should be tied to how much they help their companies’ shareholders. (Apparently he’s thinking of how Cheney earned his Halliurton bonuses by starting a war and steering no-bid contracts to the company.)

    He told company boards that “You need to show the world that American businesses are a model of transparency and good corporate governance.” (Presumably they should use the way Bush and Cheney run the White House as an example.)

    Bush also warned that some workers are being left behind in the booming economy. “The fact is that income inequality is real.” (Of course it’s frigging real, the lying thieving republican scum have been pushing for this exact outcome for years. Bush’s tax cuts are designed to produce this result, as is the Fed policy of maintaining significant unemployment and working to keep wages from rising too quickly.

  • “Typical Aryan Nation smothering tactics. They find a board or newsgroup they like and then throw in their crap till the board shuts down or they take it over. They’ve done this to various internet newsgroups and I guess they figure blogs are next.”

    No. Aryan Nations is different. This is what is known as “Freeping,” and it comes from members of TheFreeRepublic(ant).

    TC

  • Changing the subject form Iraq to the economy is going from the frying pan to the fire.

    Iraq is truly BAD.

    The Bush economy is much WORSE.

    He has DOUBLED the national debt in six short years.
    He has HOCKED the country to Red China.
    He is destroying the middle class – the goose that lays the golden egg in America.

    He’ll have to change the subject AGAIN.

    Maybe he can spend a day talking about Barney…

  • I don’t know if anyone will read this, but i am compelled to post my comments on the economy whenever i can. Something that ALMOST EVERYONE fails to realize is that the majority of our economic “progress” is imaginary. The bush tax cuts did almost nothing for most americans. The reason why the economy has “improved” is because of EXCESSIVE CREDIT!!! Credit is being handed out everywhere even if you have no way of paying it back. So more money gets spent in the short term, but the economy is SCREWED when the debts start piling up and foreclosures and repos expand exponentially. Also, the economy has been falsely inflated by the housing boom (followed by a bust). Many people were able to sell their houses for a huge profit, good for them. But the people who bought the houses are now in a bad financial situation because they paid TONS of money for the houses, and a lot of the loans were NON-TRADITIONAL loans. That means that the people have small monthly payments for the first few years, but then they SKYROCKET. some people’s monthly payments will almost DOUBLE after year 5 or 10. When that happens they will not have much money to pump into the economy. So all the “progress” that is being made in the economy right now will be wiped out when the bills are due in a few years. ALSO, with all the extreme spending by BushCo, america will have to choose between less government assistance or higher taxes. BushCo thought they were smart by tricking america into voting for less assistance, but america will vote to KEEP the assistance and raise taxes primarily on the rich, and nominally on the middle class. Taxes will have to be raised to pay for Bush’s fiscal irresponsibility. The beauty of BushCo’s treasonous policies is that DEMOCRATS will controll both chambers of congress AND the executive branch when all of this goes down. So republicans will be convinced that it was democrat’s fault. Oy.

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