Bush, Cheney used to be smart about Iraq

One of the many striking angles to the White House’s fiasco in Iraq is that the two men in charge — Bush and Cheney — seemed to have a fairly reasonable grasp on Iraq policy before they took office.

The president didn’t have any foreign policy experience before taking office, of course, but as reader R.K. noted via email, not long before becoming president, he had clear opinions about the right course of action when it came to Saddam Hussein.

Sig Christenson, a founding member of Military Reporters and Editors who has worked five assignments in Iraq since the war began, reached back some 10 years for a Veteran’s Day piece that noted President George Bush’s early opposition to an Iraq invasion.

Christenson, who covers the military for the San Antonio (Tex.) Express-News, penned the piece for Sunday’s paper that cited Bush’s comments on Veteran’s Day 1997 as governor of Texas. He pointed to Bush’s defense of his father’s decision during the Gulf War not to remove Saddam Hussein.

“There are a lot of Americans (who say), ‘Why didn’t you go get him?'” Bush told the Express-News back in 1997, according to Christenson. “Well, I’m confident that losing men and women as a result of sniper fire inside of Baghdad would have turned the tide of public opinion very quickly,” Bush added.

Bush said efforts to ferret out Saddam from his many Baghdad hideouts would have transformed the battle from a desert conflict to an unpopular “guerrilla war,” Chistenson recalled.

Predictably, the White House responded by noting that 9/11 changed everything, so Bush getting Iraq right before taking office has no bearing on Bush getting Iraq wrong once in office. It’s not much of an argument — Governor Bush didn’t like quagmires, but President Bush does?

As for Cheney, he really got the policy right in the 1990s. In 1991, Cheney emphasized the intense sectarian rivalries that dominate Iraqi society and the likely inability to maintain stability in Baghdad after a war. As for replacing Saddam with a democracy, Cheney asked his audience, “How much credibility is that government going to have if it’s set up by the United States military when it’s there?” He added:

“The notion that we ought to now go to Baghdad and somehow take control of the country strikes me as an extremely serious one in terms of what we’d have to do once we got there. You’d probably have to put some new government in place. It’s not clear what kind of government that would be, how long you’d have to stay. For the U.S. to get involved militarily in determining the outcome of the struggle over who’s going to govern in Iraq strikes me as a classic definition of a quagmire.”

Then, in 1994, Cheney reiterated his position.

“Once you got to Iraq and took it over, and took down Saddam Hussein’s government, then what are you going to put in its place? That’s a very volatile part of the world and if you take down the central government in Iraq, you can easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off. How many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth? And our judgment was – not very many and I think we got it right.”

As ThinkProgress noted a while back, Cheney was repeating the line as recently as 2000:

“[T]he only way you could have done that would be to go to Baghdad and occupy Iraq. If we’d done that, the U.S. would have been all alone. We would not have had the support of the coalition, especially of the Arab nations that fought alongside us in Kuwait. None of them ever set foot inside Iraq. Conversations I had with leaders in the region afterwards–they all supported the decision that was made not to go to Baghdad.

“They were concerned that we not get into a position where we shifted instead of being the leader of an international coalition to roll back Iraqi aggression to one in which we were an imperialist power, willy-nilly moving into capitals in that part of the world taking down governments.”

Those guys sure were smart, weren’t they?

Craig Unger explains in detail how Bush was influenced by the neo-cons and the Religious Right in his book, Fall of the House of Bush. It’s really well written.

  • Yesterday, in a discussion with one of the wingnuts with whom I work, they said no one could have ever foreseen the problems we’re currently having in Iraq.

    I pulled out the Cheney and Bush quotes and sent them to him. I still haven’t heard back yet.

    I used to think that Bush Co. just went into Iraq with such hubris that they failed to plan properly, thus the chaos and disaster it’s become.

    But after seeing those quotes, I’m starting to think the chaos and disaster were part of the plan (the plan being to get Iran involved so we could make two wars — Afghanistan and Iraq — into one big one).

    And I’m not a conspiracy theory kind of guy …

  • Just because they say it, doesn’t mean they believe it. You can apply that to pre- and post-9/11 statements. They lie because they can.

  • Though Saddam was cited, although WMDs were cited, and though remaking the Middle East into a bastion of democratic republics was cited, the only three real reasons we ventured into Iraq were Oil, Oil, and Oil. Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rumsfeld are all perpetrators of aggressive war to secure oil for our nation’s consumptive needs, and as such, they should be met with the full appreciation of international law, and the Nuremburg findings. -Kevo

  • Beautiful recap of their words. Obviously they knew it could or would be a quagmire. And therefore, either they’re criminally negligent or they’re deliberate murderers. And given the way Cheney’s Energy Task Force was eyeballing the Iraqi oil fields even before 9/11, the lies about 9/11 “changing everything” become very clear, and provide less credence to the “criminally negligent” defense.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/16/11388/342

    So let’s face it. We have murderers in the whitehouse, and a feckless Democratic “leadership”.

  • How could 9/11 have changed everything, when it has no connection with Iraq? It’s as if the neocons think that that 9/11 has metaphysical significance and somehow altered the actual fabric of reality, rather than it being a tragic event, that resulted from largely preventable causes.

  • I just don’t get it. Bush and Cheney walk away unscathed from this disaster that they predicted, then brought upon us based on a pack of lies.

    But we’re ready to declare Hillary unfit for the presidency on the basis of a couple of planted questions at a campaign event.

    What planet is this, anyway? And how do I get off it?

  • What planet is this, anyway? And how do I get off it?

    I wish I had an answer.

    But if you find out what and how, send me an email …

  • I am listening to Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine, and from that vantage point, it would seem that someone persuaded Bush and Cheney that it would be great for American businessmen if they tried Milton Friedman’s ideas out in Iraq. The bigger the mess in this case, the better the chances of cashing in big. You destroy the country as much as possible and shock the people to such a state that they can’t resist, and then you impose your capitalism on them and suck the money out.

  • Riffing off of Martin’s comments at #3, what appear to be common-sense versions of Bush and Cheney back in the day were really just loyal Repubs who towed the company line at the time … until they could have a hand in changing it. They were apologizing for Republican behavior then, just as they are having to defend Republican behavior now. They are showing their remarkably consistent beliefs that Republicans are always right and their opponents are always wrong), even when Republicans take a 180 degree shift in logic.

  • Petorado wrote:

    Riffing off of Martin’s comments at #3, what appear to be common-sense versions of Bush and Cheney back in the day were really just loyal Repubs who towed the company line at the time … until they could have a hand in changing it. They were apologizing for Republican behavior then, just as they are having to defend Republican behavior now.

    I am thinking all the Republicans got that taking over Iraq could be a big quagmire, but these core neocon academics kind of got the rest of them hitched to a fantasy. I could be wrong, but my impression is that it tend to be more like that than that the Republicans are thorough assholes who just repeat any line that is supplied to them to be repeated for politics’ sake alone.

    I’m pleased to report that according to the Iraq casualties website, coalition casualties are again looking pretty low this month. But what I am concerned about is that the problem in Iraq may be too obstinate, and that as a consequence the gains we are seeing in stability will disappear quickly once we leave, even if we left 4 or 5 years from now.

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