Bush? Deceiving? You don’t say

The president’s speech at the Veterans of Foreign Wars’ national convention was a real piece of work, with the deception-per-sentence ratio running pretty close to 1:1, but as Spencer Ackerman noted, this was one of the more startling deceptions:

“In Iraq, our troops are taking the fight to the extremists and radicals and murderers all throughout the country. Our troops have killed or captured an average of more than 1,500 al Qaeda terrorists and other extremists every month since January of this year.” (Applause.)

Well, that sounds like quite a few eliminated terrorists. Let’s see, 1,500 captured or killed al Qaeda terrorists a month, over the course of eight months, that’s 12,000.

It all sounds rather encouraging, just so long as you don’t look too closely at reality.

The precise size of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia is not known. Estimates are that it may have from a few thousand to 5,000 fighters and perhaps twice as many supporters. While the membership of the group is mostly Iraqi, the role that foreigners play is crucial.

Hmm, as many as 5,000 fighters (perhaps less), plus maybe 10,000 “supporters.” At this point, if Bush was telling the truth this morning, we’ve practically eliminated the al Qaeda presence in Iraq. And in only eight months!

At this rate, we’ll have eliminated al Qaeda fighters and supporters from Iraq entirely before Thanksgiving. I guess, then, we can start preparations for withdrawal?

Well, perhaps not. Ackerman takes a closer look at Bush’s cynical claim.

Since the surge began, the U.S. has had between 17,000 and 23,000 Iraqis in custody each month, according to the Brookings Institution’s Iraq Index (pdf). Last month, Ned Parker of the Los Angeles Times reported that of the 19,000 detainees in U.S. custody in Iraq, only 135 were foreigners — the most likely indicator of membership in al-Qaeda. Military and intelligence veterans of the Iraq war typically say that determining Iraqi membership in AQI is extraordinarily difficult, and not something that lends itself particularly well to flat, quantitative statements.

No wonder the president picked the artful qualifier “and other extremists” to lard his presentation of who the U.S. is capturing in Iraq. It’s impossible to disprove the statement, since it conceals precisely how many of the 1,500 monthly captures are in fact AQI. But an inability to disprove a statement doesn’t ever make that statement true — rather, that makes it gibberish.

Alas, Bush has been making up numbers like this for quite a while. There was, for example, the time the president claimed U.S. forces had captured or killed two-thirds of al Qaeda’s senior leadership.

White House and U.S. intelligence officials declined to provide any back-up data for how they developed the new number — or even to explain the methodology that was used, which they said was classified. The absence of any explanation, as well as the timing, prompted some counterterrorism experts to deride the figure as “meaningless” and predict the revision could fuel allegations that the administration is massaging terrorism data for political purposes.

“It’s like a shell game,” said Vince Cannistraro, a former top CIA counterterrorism official. “This kind of thing is susceptible to all kinds of manipulation.”

An official with the recently disbanded 9/11 commission also dismissed the new number, noting that it was impossible to get a firm handle on precisely the number of Al Qaeda “leaders” that were in place at the time of the September 11 attacks — the definition that the CIA says it used as its baseline for the estimate.

“It was meaningless when they said two thirds and it’s meaningless when they said three fourths,” said the official, who asked not to be identified. “This sounds like it was pulled out of somebody’s orifice.”

Regrettably, it’s a common problem with this White House. We’re dealing with people who just don’t care about telling the truth.

“We’re dealing with people who just don’t care about telling the truth.”

And with a Congress that for some reason refuses to hold them accountable for anything.

  • And with a Media that for some reason refuses to hold them accountable for anything, too.

  • Don’t forget the favorite refrain of the Coward-In-Chief: “I stand before you as a wartime President.” You stand before me as an imbecile, Boy George.

    Georgie’s Imperial Masters are great at making shit up. What’s next? They’ll tell us that our U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq are fighting the “same people that attacked us on September the 11th”?

    But the Cheney Administration certainly isn’t responsible for the perception of the 40% of Americans that somehow believe that Iraq/Saddam Hussein was in on 9/11. Nah, don’t know where that came from.

  • 1,500 a month? Ridiculous! I myself have killed over 10,000 al Qaeda terrorists and other bad guys a DAY!

    Sure, most of those were bacteria I killed when wiping down my kitchen counter. Well, OK, ALL of them were. But the point is, I’m taking the fight to the bad guys, and the surge is working!!!!

    (So is my wife….Morgan Fairchild. Yeah, that’s the ticket! Morgan Fairchild.)

    Is it just me, or has the quality of Bushista lies really declined over the years? It’s like they aren’t even trying to make sense anymore. (I guess, since the Noise Machine has proven it will eagerly accept nonsense, it doesn’t really matter what the White House spews.)

  • You’re overlooking the fact that the wily al-Qaeda types so hate us for our freedoms that each must be killed two or three times.

    It will take at least six more months to determine whether they are all sufficiently dead.

  • Glad to see we are getting a higher caliber of lies from our Presidunce since the craniologist removed the polyps from our Misleader’s brain cavity.

  • White House when soldiers die: [Yawn] It’s just a number.

    White House when “bad guys” die: LOOKY LOOKY! We killed some guys! Success is just around the corner!

    I also find it interesting that the Administration that can’t really be bothered to tally civilian casualties is so accurate when tallying the death of “extremists.”

    If The Suck from this man increases, the entire world will be sucked up his arse.

  • It’s as bad as the whole adage,…”how can you tell if Bush is lying…his lips are moving”.

    Iraqi victories no longer matter because there is no government governing. If we disappear as an occupying force, the “terrorists” would also disappear. Bush continues to force his will on the Iraqi people, his benchmarks as he continues to “force” our soldiers to fight and die refereeing Iraq’s civil war.
    Why is anyone still listening to Bush? He has been wrong on everything and lies desperately trying to cover up his incompetence or inadequacies. His lips are still moving.

  • …when that hard work is done and the critics of today recede from memory…

    How exactly are the critics of today going to recede from memory? MK Ultra? Mass-amnesia? Holocaust?

  • Anyone besides me old enough to remember how Vietnam body counts were constantly touted as proving that we were winning there too?

  • Bu$h is finally demonstrating that he’s learned the lesson from the last bumbling actor who graced the WH stage—Ronald “McDonald” Reagan. It’s the same old stunt as in all those comical movies that RMR learned in Hollywood:

    When in a low-budget western, every indian dies more than once.

    When making a WW2 laugher, film 6 different angles of the same “flamed toy Zeke” to suggest the shooting down of a half-dozen Japanese A6M2’s.

    When counting dead terrorists, count every body at least 10 times—and don’t worry about the fact that most of them are innocent civilians.

    Isn’t it about time to rip this diseased piece of shrubbery out of the garden and toss it into the landfill? I mean—the best house on the planet still looks shabby, when it’s got bad shrubbery out front….

  • I work not four blocks from where that pinhead was speaking. Yippee.

    What was fun was how it took an extra hour to get to work today because we certainly do not want the common people near the Holy Motorcade…

    I know, security. But honestly, it is just as big a risk having that psycho nearby.

  • Steve,

    To be fair, even Reagan though Bush was an idiot.

    http://www.metadish.com/2007/08/20/reagan-diaries-ronald-reagan-on-george-w-bush/

    ‘A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his ne’re-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work.’

  • Bush:

    “We fight for the possibility that decent men and women across the broader Middle East can realize their destiny — and raise up societies based on freedom and justice and personal dignity.”

    So next we’re going to attack Saudi Arabia? Hmm…

    “…the American people will never be safe until the people of the Middle East know the freedom that our Creator meant for all…”

    Right George. First of all your “creator” sanctioned slavery. Big time. And second, you’re kind of ignoring the Saudi Arabian model of “freedom” and at the same time attacking the Iranians who actually have a lot more freedom than the Saudi people.

    And this is truly ironic:

    “…the question now that comes before us is this: Will today’s generation of Americans resist the allure of retreat, and will we do in the Middle East what the veterans in this room did in Asia?

    Hmm, like check the box that said “No, I don’t want to serve in Vietnam” when you’re flying for the National Guard after getting a miraculous jump in the line to join the champaign squadron?

    What a piece of shit the man is, and the room applauds him.

  • Reading the post I, like Dennis-SGMM, thought of the body counts we used hear on the evening news during Viet Nam. I guess this is the stage of the Iraq conflict we are in where the more we kill, the better we’re doing.

    But the numbers Bush cites could very well be accurate — in the sense that we have killed or rounded up that many people. However for every innocent killed, for every elderly person that steps in front of a stray bullet, for every wedding party hit with rockets, for every child’s life lost with a tank round and every person in the wrong place at the wrong time and rounded up, how many new anti-Americans do we create that will now seek to turn on us that before was just tolerating our occupation of their land?

    Great George … thanks for letting us know how many humans you’ve put the hurt to. If you’d only understand that the more we kill, imprison and torture, the more new enemies we create and the more steadfast becomes the struggle to oppose this nation and its aims. Ending an insurgency is about winning hearts and minds, George, not about putting bullets though them.

  • You can eliminate all of these crazies with a little bit of bullshit. Just pass the word that Allah has run out of virgins. All that is waiting for them is a couple of little old ladies and Charlie.

  • Peterado, I did a tour in the Delta: the dead ones were all VC. That experience left me skeptical about body counts. After reading a newspaper mailed from home one of the guys once asked, “If we’re doing so good how come we aren’t winning?”

  • We’re dealing with people who just don’t care about telling the truth. — CB

    Well, in this particular case… Given the audience… I don’t think I’d make too much effort, either, because it doesn’t matter a whit. Have you looked at the photos of the audience? These are all vets still re-fighting Korea with maybe a few Viet vets thrown in. Men in ther mid-to-late seventies and probably rabidly to the right of Genghis Khan and their wives ditto. Frozen in time. They came already predisposed to cheer the good news of the US’s military might. That’s why they were happy with McCain and Thompson and Bush but not so much with Clinton and Obama. They will not dissect th hip-hip-hurrah speeches for faults the way we do. So, why bother lying well?

  • Steve,

    To be fair, even Reagan though Bush was an idiot.

    http://www.metadish.com/2007/08/20/reagan-diaries-ronald-reagan-on-george-w-bush/

    ‘A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his ne’re-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work.’

    F-ing hilarious, but not a Regan quote…did you read what you linked to? I did and it’s clearly the work of the writers “imagination and ego”.

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