Bush still confused about Gonzales controversy

At the risk of spurring another conversation with James Joyner about whether or not the president is dumb, Bush’s apparent understanding of the controversy surrounding Alberto Gonzales is rather startling. At a press conference yesterday, he seems to fundamentally misunderstand what’s going on in Washington.

Q: Mr. President, I want to take you back to domestic issues again. You say the no-confidence vote has no bearing as to whether Alberto Gonzales remains as Attorney General. How can he continue to be effective? And it seems like you’re not listening to Congress when it comes to Gonzales, but you are listening to Congress when it comes to Peter Pace.

BUSH: Yes, it’s an interesting comment about Congress, isn’t it, that, on the one hand, they say that a good general shouldn’t be reconfirmed, and on the other hand, they say that my Attorney General shouldn’t stay. And I find it interesting.

This makes absolutely no sense at all. The “good general” Bush referred to is outgoing Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Peter Pace. The administration decided not to keep Pace on in his current position because, officials have told reporters, the Senate might be mean to him on Iraq policy during upcoming hearings.

It led to a reasonable question: why would Bush stand by Gonzales when the Senate has turned on him, but throw Pace under the bus before the Senate even has a chance to consider his re-nomination?

Yesterday, Bush seemed to think he’d stumbled onto something clever — he told reporters it’s “interesting” that the Senate was skeptical about Pace’s leadership and opposed to Gonzales’ leadership of the Justice Department. Bush was so fond of this observation that he mentioned how “interesting” it is twice.

But what on earth is so fascinating?

What’s so unusual about lawmakers questioning a general whose leadership has been ineffective, and then also questioning an attorney general who has repeatedly lied about a scandal? What connection does Bush see here that’s so “interesting”? The whole argument sounded child-like, which regrettably, is fairly common with this president.

Bush elaborated on his AG.

“And as to how Gonzales — first of all, this process has been drug out a long time, which says to me it’s political. There’s no wrongdoing. You know, he — they haven’t said, here’s — you’ve done something wrong, Attorney General Gonzales. And therefore, I ascribe this lengthy series of news stories and hearings as political.”

First, I particularly liked the phrase “drug out,” instead of the correct “dragged out,” in part because of the irony — the president sounded medicated when he said it.

Second, there’s plenty of evidence of “wrongdoing,” and the Senate has repeatedly told the AG that he’s done “something wrong.” Bush does know what subject we’re talking about, right?

And third, this process has been “lengthy” because officials at the White House and the Justice Department have decided not to cooperate with the investigation. This process could go very quickly with basic answers to basic questions, which the Bush gang refuses to provide.

The president is either pretending to be clueless or he is clueless. It’s that simple.

The president is clueless, and he’s giving congress the finger.

Make that two fingers.

Congress, unfortunately, is also clueless, and they’re still asking Bush for the information it needs to determine how far the crimes go up the ladder.

If we had real Democratic leadership, Bush would already be impeached. But there he is, giving us all the finger.

  • I can’t see him as an ex-president. He’s going to “drug out” in Paraguay and not be heard from much I think. Nobody’s going to this guy for ‘stately advice’ in his later years. He’ll be more of a side show freak and he’ll party himself to an early grave. It’s sad for him and sad for America.

    Oh Republican party. Why did you do this to us?

  • To the extent there is any sense in what he says, is Bush admitting, in that first quote, that Gonzo is useless?

    See how he contrasts the “good general” with “my attorney general”…

    Just in case there is method in Bush’s ramblings.

  • First, obviously, “dragged out.” Though I suppose “drug out” is a common Texas variant.

    Second, a lot of this could be explained by jet lag. I wonder why the press office hasn’t floated this yet.

  • Guess what else the “President” finds interesting: the U.S. Military Occupation of Iraq.

    Remember this gem from Dear Leader?

    “This is an interesting, different type of war.”

    What a royal jackass.

  • This is a toss-up:
    We know that he’s the dumbest president that anyone alive has ever seen, but in this case, it’s not the real story.
    I think that he knows what’s been going on, because he wants to politicize every part of the government that he can. And I think that he knows that it is illegal, but hard to prove. So, like the spoiled rich kid in the small town, he knows that he can get away with just about anything he wants.
    And when his buddies are caught, he just plays dumb. And his dumb followers still love him.
    Assholes, every one of them.

  • People as rich and spoiled and in need of flattery as George Bush has been all his life have no need for pretense: this president really is always as clueless as he seems.

  • The fact is, President Bush served his purpose with the quote you gave that concludes: “And therefore, I ascribe this lengthy series of news stories and hearings as political.”

    That’s the soundbite Fox Noise and the broadcast and cable networks will show. Of course, the points you raise are ignored by the corporate media stenographers. Seems only Jon Stewart will show back-to-back the contradictory statements Gonzales has made under oath.

    The populace that doesn’t follow the story closely never understands the “foot-drugging” and obstruction taking place, they just know they don’t like things political.

  • I think Bush thinks he gets it – he tries really hard to sound like he knows what he is talking about, and that it makes sense, but he’s “getting it” based on what his advisors are telling him, apparently in bits and pieces. And then he goes out in public to face questions, where his faulty reasoning comes with neon lights.

    But, Bush has another problem: he has a habit of seeming to be incapable of keeping connected a series of events that do not all happen within the bubble of the Oval Office, so he is completely disconnected from the fact that when you don’t provide the information Congress requests, the process takes longer – all he sees, or says that he sees – is the length of time the investigation is taking, and since it is happening on the Hill, he can blame them. He regularly fashions reality to suit the moment, which is not only infuriating, but, in certain situations, very, very dangerous.

  • This is simply another episode in the continuing misdirection that is standard operating procedure for the Bush administration. Conflating Gonzales with Pace is farcical but it serves to allow Bush to equate “a good general” and the AG. While reasonable people may disagree about the quality of generalship under Pace I don’t think that there is any legitimate assertion that he is a lying criminal sack of crap like Gonzo.

  • The BBC report made him sound a little more unsavory than just clueless:

    At a news conference earlier in the Bulgarian capital, Sofia, Mr Bush said Mr Gonzales had committed “no wrongdoing”.

    “They can try to have their votes of no confidence, but it’s not going to determine who serves in my government,” he said.

    Still that hint of creeping Nazification.. Cold shudders.

  • I’ll defend Bush.

    It’ll probably be the first and last time.

    What’s he going to say? ‘I pick the AG, but the Defense Sec picks the head of the Joint Chiefs.’ I think this basically what happened, but it would sound weak for Bush to say it.

    So instead he uses the question to bash congress. He’s a politician. It’s what they do.

  • Clueless Bush? Nah: Here’s a day in the life of Whitehouse Chief of Staff Joshua Bolton (aka the Joshinator).

    Chief of Staff Josh Bolton: Sire I need to talk to you about public opinion about your policies. This is a serious matter.

    Shrub (dismissively): I know what I need to know about the people their opinions. (Now waxing eloquently) I am their Decider, their Commander Guy, and their Commander in Chief.

    Bolton (exasperated): But sire the people are revolting.

    Shrub (snapping petulantly): I… Know…That! But the people love me and I love them as a father loves his children.

    Bolton (desperate now): But sire I know they seem revolting, but they are also actually revolting, er, rebelling rather, against you! Even The Base is up in arms! There’s immigration, there’s the conquest of Mesopotamia, theres…

    Shrub (cuts him off)

    Shrub (smirking and holding back laughter now): OK, there Joshinator fellow, you did your job and covered your ass, I grant you permission to leave. I know best. You can return to your desk and do whatever it is that you do. Oh and while you are at it, order some cheeseburgers for Dick and me why don’t you.

    The above with apologies to Mel Brooks.

  • Sonny probably thought he said something very bright, but it is, as usual, just plain nonsense. The real question, to me, is why Pace is being shelved, and not Gonzo whose perch is secure unless he is, very improbably, impeached. The confirmation of a new AG would require a promise from the candidate to appoint a special prosecutor to comb out all the “wrong-doing” in DoJ. The WH can’t tolerate that. So Bush will let Gonzo become a ridiculous and totally ineffective AG. So what. He doesn’t care. Gonzo is a loyal soldier and will be taken care of, just like Scooter. It’s never been about governing the country. We know that now. It’s about power, control, and of course money.

    Pace, on the other hand is quite another matter. Here they are doing the ‘hand-is-quicker-than-the-eye’ bit again. Reconfirmation is not the issue because no matter who the candidate is war policy will be a center-piece of the hearings. If it’s Pace and our spineless, and neutered Congress did give him a rough time, or threaten not to confirm him, the rightwing smear machine would attack the Dems for undermining our military leadership at a time when we needed continutiy. That, as they say, is a no brainer, and the Dems would run in all directions cowering while wetting their pants. Pace would get confirmed in a heartbeat.

    So why has Pace been pushed under the bus? Because he’s against attacking Iran. And he’s said so publically. Bush may not know what is going on, but Cheney does, and he can’t stomach that sort of insubordination. Mullen will be more obedient, and hasn’t witnessed the destruction of our army and the marines in Afghanistan and Iraq as Pace has.

    So my judgement is that this is all about Iran, and the thugocracy’s longer-term plan to keep control of the government.

  • Astute observation, Rich @ #18.

    It’s offensive that our complicit, capitulant corporate media would not ask Dear Leader about General Pace’s comments suggesting that there is No Evidence Tying Iranian Government To Smuggled Explosives in Iraq.

    Of course, McMedia’s primary directive is to stoke the incessant fires burning beneath Das Base driving them to monger interminable war, not journalism.

  • #6 by Ed:

    To the extent there is any sense in what he says, is Bush admitting, in that first quote, that Gonzo is useless?

    See how he contrasts the “good general” with “my attorney general”…

    When there’s only one possible construction that fits the words…

  • Very interesting. On the one hand, they do one thing, but on the other, they do the exact same thing in similar circumstances.

    What I’m saying is, it’s interesting that I have two hands. Unlike, say, Captain Hook. He doesn’t interest me.

  • From the speech orifice of Tony Snow, we learn why the president is determined to stand by Gonzales: “Alberto Gonzales is an effective and loyal and also competent attorney general.”

    Effective. LOYAL. And, oh yes, I almost forgot, competent; by all means, competent!”

  • It’s this simple, if Gonzo is let go, then the D’s will have a pretty significant role in confirming the new AG. If that happens, Bush is not going to get another gopher to help him bend, if not break, the rule of law. He might even end up with someone that might actually respects the constitution and that would be real trouble at 1600 Penn Ave.

    Gonzo is here to stay.

  • He isn’t clueless.
    He isn’t pretending to be clueless.

    It gives him another chance to rub a victory into the faces of the Dims. And as CB infers: Rotten children love doing that.
    That’s why he finds it so endlessly interesting.

    It ‘s his public way of saying: F*%# Ya’ll!

    He loves doing that!

    F*%# Ya’ll!
    F*%# Ya’ll!
    F*%# Ya’ll!

    He loves saying that just as much as he loved signing off on torture.
    (And yes… those two are intrinsically related. The man is mentally ill. And yes: I predict there will be books written documenting this. )

  • I agree with Rich @ #18. Pace is being thrown under the bus because he’s not for invading Iran. It’s also a sacrifice so that it looks like he can be reasonable when he wants to be and that his opposition in AbuG’s case is principled rather than self-serving and a poke in the eye.

    As for the unintelligble answer, they practice obfuscating. Anytime anyone asks a question, they either turn it back on the questioner or buy time by “not understanding” and then, guess what, time is up!

  • I always thought that the phrases were:
    “ascribe to” and “describe as”. Not “ascribe as”. How is a foreigner to assimilate and learn English if the president won’t serve as a model?

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