Bush, the GOP, and the war

Last week, the key legislative question in DC was whether Speaker Pelosi would be able to keep just enough House Democrats together to pass a massive bill funding the [tag]war[/tag] in [tag]Iraq[/tag], including timetables for withdrawal. When the measure passed, and Pelosi scored a major victory, it was almost considered symbolic — the Senate wouldn’t go for the House plan and the president was anxious to veto the measure, even though it fully funds the war he continues to support.

But as E. J. Dionne Jr. explained, the vote, which he described as “hugely significant,” may be part of a larger shift.

The vote is only the first of what will be many difficult roll calls potentially pitting Congress against the president on the conduct of war policy. It confirmed that power in Washington has indeed shifted. Bush and his Republican congressional allies had hoped Democrats would splinter and open the way for a pro-Bush resolution of the Iraq issue. Instead, antiwar Democrats, including Web-based groups such as MoveOn.org, discovered a common interest with their moderate colleagues.

Oddly, the president’s harsh rhetoric against the House version of the supplemental appropriations bill to finance the Iraq war may have been decisive in sealing Pelosi’s victory. “The vehemence with which the president opposed it made it clear to a lot of people that this was a change in direction and that it was significant,” said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Tom Matzzie, the Washington director of MoveOn, saw the Bush effect rallying his own antiwar membership. “Bush is our worst enemy,” Matzzie said, “and our best ally.”

Now, Van Hollen argues, Bush’s “take-it-or-leave-it” approach to the bill is also “hurting the political standing of his Republican colleagues” in Congress by forcing them to back an open-ended commitment in Iraq at a time when their constituents are demanding a different approach.

A similar dynamic is unfolding in the Senate, where it was assumed a GOP filibuster would scuttle any legislation that failed to give Bush everything he wants, exactly as he wants it. Now, the president’s open-ended, take-it-or-leave-it policy is slipping in that chamber, too.

Unwilling to do the White House’s heavy lifting on Iraq, Senate Republicans are prepared to step aside to allow language requiring troop withdrawals to reach President Bush, forcing him to face down Democratic adversaries with his veto pen.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) announced the shift in strategy yesterday, as the chamber took up a $122 billion war spending package that includes a target date of March 31, 2008, for ending most U.S. combat operations in Iraq. The provision, along with a similar House effort, represents the Democrats’ boldest challenge on the war, setting the stage for a dramatic showdown with Bush over an otherwise popular bill to keep vital military funds flowing.

There are multiple strategies and agendas at play here, but the bottom line here is that Congress will, when the smoke clears, probably pass a war-spending package that includes some kind of withdrawal language. Republicans appear reluctant to fight it, Democrats appear anxious to pass it, and the public overwhelmingly supports it.

To be sure, the House provisions almost certainly won’t stay intact, but even if any kind of timelines are included in the final package, that will represent a dramatic shift in Washington.

And what of the White House threats?

Rep. Zach Wamp (R-Tenn.), who will be one of his party’s negotiators as House and Senate appropriators sit down to hash out a compromise spending bill, suggested that a final version could include language similar to the Senate’s version setting goals for withdrawal without strict time limits.

What Republicans do not want is a presidential veto, Wamp said. That political showdown could harm the standing of both parties while dealing a real blow to the war effort.

“This is a time when we need to find a way to come together through this conference committee and find a way where the country can unite again,” Wamp said. “We need to respect each other’s opinions, and we need to avoid a presidential veto.”

The president has never been this close to standing completely alone.

Bring it on.

Few things would be more interesting to watch than Bush flourishing his veto pen to thwart support for the troops.

Who supports the troops now, Bush?

  • i kind of chuckled when mcconnell said that bush would veto the bill and the democrats would then be “forced to send him a clean bill” instead of one that included timetables. if i were a democrat and bush vetoed the bill that i sent up to him, i’d tell bush that was his only chance, we gave him a funding bill, and if he wasn’t satisfied with it, he can start bringing the troops home now, cause it’s all he’s gonna get.

  • Just Bill is right – that’d be cool. Bush vetoes the bill and gets told he has all the money he’s going to get. Let ’em finance the withdrawal by cancelling the F/”A”-22, the pefect warplane for facing down the Red Air Force over the Fulda Gap when the Warsaw Pact invades Western Europe.

  • How do you know you’re pushing hard enough if he doesn’t veto it. I like Thomas Edison’s approach. He pushed some new boilers up to 25% over their stated maximum until they exploded. Then he knew the true maximum and could stay just under that. Push Bush till he explodes and then back off a little.

  • I agree, just bill…take it or leave it indeed!

    While this thread is generally dealing with the House, our esteemed Senator Mark Pryor (D-AR) is on the fence…as usual…

    This isn’t uncommon for Pryor, though…he has voted with the GOP approximately 73% of the time…

    There are obviously some here that would like to see a strong 2008 Primary opponent…

  • Bush is obviously not wearing any pants anymore, and the Republicans will want to stand by him in 2008 like they will want to be thrown in a lake with cement shoes. Time for Dems to re-examine all the BS advice the DLC-AIPAC dumbasses were passing out.

    Americans do not want Dems to “find a compromise position” with a guy that they see as seriously dangerous. They want out of Iraq, and they want Bush impeached.

    http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/3528

  • Because the Pres still has the better pulpit, the Dems will need to be quick and careful to get out in front of the story. As the final vote approaches, Dem leadership needs to fan out to all available microphones, op-ed pages, etc and say consistently and firmly:

    “we are fully funding the Defense Department’s current request for troops in the field, and more – more services to injured and returning soldiers and sailors to avoid repeating the Republican tragedy of Walter Reed, more money and tighter requirements on readiness to ensure the troops in the field are supported not just with money, but with the proper equipment – if President Bush vetoes this, it will be him pulling the rug out from under troops in the field, it will be he and his allies failing to support the troops, and it will be his childish insistence on getting his way rather than working with elected representatives of the American people that will be the answer to ‘Who lost Iraq?’ The Democrats, listing to the clear voice of the American people, have struck the right balance between solidly and effectively providing all of the support our troops could have — more than the Republicans have given in the past 4 years — and creating a plan to end the casualties of our sons and daughters in a misguided war in Iraq while focusing on the real threats to our security. It would be a shame for the President to veto this carefully balanced legislation, and we call on him to support our troops and support the will of the American people by signing it into law.”

  • Though we may have forgotten for awhile, we as Americans are by and large decent and fair minded – smoke and mirrors isn’t playing in the Heartland anymore.

    Good luck in the Conference Committee – Karl Rove does not do consensus politics – if there is one shred of benefit accruing to the Dems, Bush will Veto the entire bill. I suspect everyone knows this already, howevery they will let the kabuki play on and send Dead Eye Dick to the Heritage Foundation to slime the 70% of us who do not agree with Karl and George.

  • The people back the Dems on this. Clearly and unreservedly. Especially seeing that the Dems did not pass the immediate withdrawal version, and have instead chosen the middle ground. As Zeitgeist says, they just need to stay on top of the message from the get go. Force Bush to defend himself for cutting off the funds for the support of the troops. Let the GOP congressfolk side with Bush if they want. The political winds are shifting right now, and the Dems are setting a tone that will allow many of the war-supporters to eventually flip-flop in a facesaving manner. This is good politics, especially as the lives of our troops are on the line. If it fails, well, it will be the Bush dead enders who will pay the political price, especially when our troops are eventually pulled out after some tragedy that makes the american public really say enopugh is enough.

  • Congressional Dems absolutely cannot compromise on firm deadlines, otherwise the bill is meaningless. It’s funny how the Republicans are talking about “compromise” now that they no longer hold a majority and their policies have proven wildly unpopular. It’s a little late for “compromise” Wamp.

  • I think the Dems have finally found their voice and the people like the sound of it. Here’s to a successful conference committee and the end of the war. As Murtha pointed out on the day the House bill passed, the President needs the money. Let him veto the bill; he only hurts the troops. If it comes to a veto, he will have to explain in language the American people understand. He may not be able to explain in a credible way, and may do himself quite a bit of harm if he is once again, not credible.

  • I like Dale’s idea of pushing Bush to the limit just to see what happens. Only I would carefully note the PSI at the time of explosion and keep him there until he goes bat-shit crazy in front of the cameras.

    A bit more seriously, There is no point in Congress trying to placate this bastard unless they want to spend all of their time grabbing their ankles. Besides, the sooner he gets used to the idea that he is politically irrelevant, the better.

  • ***politically irrelevant***
    ——————–tAiO

    Ooooohhh—are we saying that ol’ Georgie is “the Arafat of America?”

  • Dale, why back off afterward?

    In honor of the way the lying thieving incompetent Republicans ran things for so long, the Senate funding bill really ought to get a Republican red-meat amendment tacked on, such as a sense-of-the-senate resolution against defacing the American flag, or favoring the right of school children to pray silently to themselves in school whenever they wish, or urging teenagers not to have sex outside of marriage. (No penalties, but just language that they are going to be embarrassed to vote against.)

  • Whose willing to bet, if (when, I hope!) a bill with time lines makes it to the White House, Bush will sign it, talk up how he is supporting the troops, then attaches a signing statement that he as “Chimp-in Chief” doesn’t have to abide by the timelines?

  • Whatever this clown tries to do, he botches it. Has there ever been a bigger fuck-up in the history of the world?

  • If Congress links the funding dirctly to timelines, then a signing statement negating the timelines may effectively suspend funding. How will the Grand Chimp-Ah explain to his field commanders that he has unilaterally stranded several hundred thousand soldiers in a combat zone?

    If this happens, Bush loses the military—and we could see the early signs of rebellion amongst the command structure. Just in time for Bush to bring in those 20,000 Blackwater “private soldiers….”

  • I say Bring em on! Seriously, Bush vetos this, send him a new tougher bill every week, or heck even the same bill every damned week, until that day 4/15 or 5/15, depending on whom you beleive that the troops run out of funds. Then when Gates comes hat in hand to beg for monies for the soldiers, take apart the official defense department budget, $9 Bill a year for Star Wars that doesn’t work in the rain?! Ha, gone! Now they just need to find 9 or so more big budget worthless items in it and cancel those orders and contracts, and instruct Gates to use that saved monies for the troops in the field. And the fine that ITT is supposed to pay for treason? Heck yea, add that in to the supports for the troops monies!

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