Bush’s abstinence policy isn’t just for teens anymore

We’ve known for a long while that [tag]abstinence[/tag]-only policies, promoted and funded through the Bush administration towards America’s teens, are costly, inaccurate, and ineffective. So, given the Bush gang’s record, it should come as no surprise that these same policies are now being directed towards adults.

Now the government is targeting unmarried adults up to age 29 as part of its abstinence-only programs, which include millions of dollars in federal money that will be available to the states under revised federal grant guidelines for 2007. […]

Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families at the Department of Health and Human Services, said the revision is aimed at 19- to 29-year-olds because more unmarried women in that age group are having children.

Government data released last month show that 998,262 births in 2004 were to unmarried women 19-29, the ages with the most births to unmarried women.

“The message is ‘It’s better to wait until you’re married to bear or father children,’ ” Horn said. “The only 100% effective way of getting there is abstinence.”

Remember, this isn’t just about the federal government believing it should help shape families, it’s also about giving tax dollars to groups that share the administration’s worldview.

“They’ve stepped over the line of common sense,” said James Wagoner, president of Advocates for Youth, a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit that supports sex education. “To be preaching abstinence when 90% of people are having sex is in essence to lose touch with reality. It’s an ideological campaign. It has nothing to do with public health.”

Go ahead, libertarians, keep voting GOP.

It’s worth noting, of course, that this isn’t an entirely new problem. We learned back in April that the Bush administration’s HHS also established guidelines that effectively call for celibacy for everyone except straight married couples.

Earlier this year, the Administration for Children and Families (ACF) at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced new guidelines for organizations applying for grants for abstinence-only education programs.

In addition to being costly, inaccurate, and ineffective, the programs must now operate under a strict new definition of abstinence:

Abstinence curricula must have a clear definition of sexual abstinence which must be consistent with the following: “Abstinence means voluntarily choosing not to engage in sexual activity until marriage. Sexual activity refers to any type of genital contact or sexual stimulation between two persons including, but not limited to, sexual intercourse.”

And, of course, the same guidelines define marriage as “only a legal union between one man and one woman as a husband and wife.” The result, as Nico explained, is that the Bush administration has decided that gays “should be taught to never, ever engage in ‘any type’ of ‘sexual stimulation’ — ever.”

Remember when conservatives used to rail against “social engineering“?

It’s just a short step away from the Bush administration telling people sex is acceptable only for procreation. But they’d better not enjoy it.

Man, it’s like sitting though Catholic High School religion classes all over again.

  • There’s a business opportunity here for anyone interested in manufacturing magnetic scarlet A’s that you can stick on your neighbors’ cars.

  • Well these people are not conservative, they are the radical fringe, deeply involved in social engineering. I heard Andrew Sullivan on the radio this AM as I drove to work and his biggest point was the desire of this administration to involve itself in its citizen’s private lives. They literally hate us for our freedom. They want to be involved in our choice of life partner, our choice of medical treatment, and if we live in a blue state, they punish us by withholding necessary funds for our physical protection. Thye would fund a petting zoo in Indiana over protecting the security of the Port of Oakland. God I am so sick of these people, talk about a “long national nightmare”! I wonder when all of this will be over?

  • Wade Horn. A man with a porn star’s name doesn’t want people to have sex. That just about tells you all you need to know about these schlubs.

    Is it any surprise that an Administration that gave us two fucked up wars and a fucked up education system, buggered the Constitution, fucked over New Orleans and tried to fuck Social Security has a fucked up approach to fucking?

  • “The only 100% effective way of getting there is abstinence.” – Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families at the Department of Health and Human Services

    So very true. Abstinence is 100% effective. No, wait. Rape. Since you guys don’t believe in abortion for rape victums, Abstinence is not 100% effective, is it?

    But the fact is, Abstinence training is 50% effective. Condom training is 90% effective.

    Abstinence training … Condom Training

    Which should we go with?

    To the Bushites, clearly a 50% failure rate is better. Because in the end, this has nothing to do with the health of the girls and boys having sex, it has to do with the health of the souls of the adults scolding them for sex. If you teach teenagers how to have sex right (safely and enjoyably being my definition of right) than you have lost your soul to the devil. Even if you let them learn this stuff from others you’ve lost your soul to the devil.

    But if you condem sex and don’t teach it, then when the kids have sex (as they are going to do) then it’s their soul lost, not yours.

    Theocratic Reactionaries are just sick people, and I just wonder at the Libertarians (yah, right) who keep giving these people power.

  • The Fundamentalist War is what we’re caught in – Islamic fundamentalists vs Christian fundamentalists, and we secularists are stuck in the middle.

  • Has anyone looked into moving to Europe yet? I don’t know if I can take anymore of this. Is applying for citizenship to certain countries easier than others?

  • Ah if only all fundamentalists would practice abstinence.

    I can imagine a classroom of 19-29 year olds being ‘taught’ abstinence. The howls of laughter would echo into the halls.

  • Abstinence training … Condom Training

    Which should we go with?

    [Lance]

    Well you see, if the Condom Makers of America Association would just cough up a huge donation to the GOP we’d get condom training. [end snark]

    I agree it is a case of getting a thrill from wagging the finger of shame in people’s faces but I’d take it a bit further and say it also provides an excuse to cut out the sort of social services which benefit women with infants. If a woman gets pregnant out of wedlock (uch, what a term) it is her fault and the baby is the product of sin so why should the tax payer be expected to pay for immoral behaviour? If the woman has complications during pregnancy too bad. If she can’t support the child and it winds up doing a tour of foster homes, who cares? Mom was a slut, the kid’s no good either. The same applies to public funding used to treat STDs. The sick person is no longer a patient, he or she becomes a criminal.

  • That’s it. The White House teachings are officially more conservative than a Pakistani madrassa

  • Has anyone looked into moving to Europe yet? I don’t know if I can take anymore of this. Is applying for citizenship to certain countries easier than others?
    Pearl Jammin’ in Nebraska

    I have, but am waiting for the election results first. Depending on what happens, I’ll be buying this book.

    It’s not that I don’t love this country. It’s that I love what our country used to be, and am very afraid of what it is becoming.

  • The Republican War on Sex. If only these weirdos had gotten some in their teens or even their 20s, we’d all be better off. It’s almost enough to make one want to send an army of whores (both genders, of course) over to the Young Republicans national HQ, in hopes that their next generation might not prove so freakishly uptight that they’ll want to burn loose women at the stake…

  • Hmmmph. Reminds me of that good ol’ Army line, “This is my rifle, this is my gun…”

    And, uh, Republicans? I know you already have a hands-off approach to the one. Now would you Please keep your hands off the other (you, too, Foley)?

  • First off, I find it incredibly inappropriate to comment on the Bush twins sexual behavior. If you don’t respect the girls, at least have the decency to respect their office.

    Secondly, I don’t understand why there needs to be an age limit on morality? 12, 18, 32…you’re still not married, so why engage is sexual behavior?

  • S. Bahl- one (two-part) question. Are you married? And, if so, did you ever engage in any sexual relations prior to getting married?

    If the answer is no, then you have no business asking questions or judging others.

    If the answer is yes, then I applaud your restraint. However, in this instance, then I can answer why it is important about the virginal (or non-virginal) status of Bush’s unmarried daughters. It’s the same deal as with Cheney and his Lesbian daughter. In Cheney’s case, how can he morally support legislation against his own daughter’s rights? And, in Bush’s case, if his girls aren’t virgins, then how can he support a campaign based on hypocrisy?

    The “do as I say, not as I do” is an old line from parents, and it works, but only to a point.

    Oh, and, by the way, I am a divorced male. Since I have been married, am I allowed to have sex now?

  • Their program reminds me of this line from Orwell’s 1984:

    “We shall abolish the orgasm, our neurologists are at work upon it now.”

  • What office do the Twins hold? The WH committee for underaged drinking?

    2nd, if WH policy is going to start putting chastity belts on folks then it would make sense to put the twins in the same belt. You know, something more than do as I say like DO as I DO?

    S. Bahl. Just out of curiosity. Did you lose your virginity on your wedding day? Or if still single, are you still a virgin? If you’re going to be talking about morality, I would like to know if you walk the walk and not just talk the talk.

    I can answer my own questions. I have never married nor am I a virgin (took a lot longer than I wanted, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying) nor do I have any bastard kids or contracted a social disease because I like to think I am responsible to use condoms when I have sex with women.

    There you go. The too much information post.

  • I notice s. bahl’s domain is ‘fixd’. Is that also the condition of your balls, Bahl?

    Some people adopt abstinence, some have abstinence thrust upon them.

    As Emo says, “Contraception? I rely on my personality for that.”

    Welcome to CB world, Bahl.

  • If only George W. Bush practiced abstinence. Then we wouldn’t have to worry about preserving the dignity of the Bush Twins’ “office.”

  • You can’t legislate virtue into people, especially when it runs counter to biology. No species on the planet persists because their Creator thinks sex is icky and it should be avoided.

    If anyone thinks W is a paragon of virtue, his Skull and Bones nickname in college was bestowed on him because of all of his sexual conquests when he was in exactly the demographic HHS wants to target with their virtue-oriented baby control program. .. But then he got saved and everything’s cool again. Maybe the Faith-based programs department needs to save all these unwed mothers and the problem would be over.

  • I truly have got to wonder who the hell they are talking to and do they really think anyone is listening?

  • Castor Troy —

    Well if we’re going to go that far … If only Barbara Bush’s mother practiced abstinence. Talk about your human monsters …

  • Sung to Satifscation…

    I won’t get no satisfaction,
    I won’t get no satisfaction.
    ‘Cause I try and I try and I try and I try.
    I won’t get no, I won’t get no.

    When I’m drivin’ in my car
    and that man comes on the radio
    and he’s tellin’ me more and more
    about some useless information
    supposed to prevent premarital copulation.
    I won’t get no, oh no no no.
    Hey hey hey, that’s what W say.

    I won’t get no satisfaction,
    I won’t get no satisfaction.
    ‘Cause I try and I try and I try and I try.
    I won’t get no, I won’t get no.

    When I’m watchin’ my TV
    and a man comes on to tell me
    how pure my sperm should be.
    When he can’t have sex ’cause he doesn’t wear
    the same wedding band as me.
    I won’t get no, oh no no no.
    Hey hey hey, that’s what W say.

    I won’t get no satisfaction,
    I won’t get no girly action.
    ‘Cause I try and I try and I try and I try.
    I won’t get no, I can’t get no.

    When I’m fightn’ round the world
    and I’m killn’ this and I’m shooting that
    and I’m tryin’ to make some girl
    who tells me baby better come back with a wedding ring
    ’cause you see I just signed that virgin thing.
    I won’t get no, oh no no no.
    Hey hey hey, that’s what W say.

    I won’t get no, I won’t get no,
    I won’t get no satisfaction,
    no satisfaction, no satisfaction, no satisfaction.

  • … so why engage is sexual behavior?

    Oh, I dunno … maybe because it’s natural, not to mention a whole lotta fun?

    History has proven time and again that trying to repress sexuality backfires. Just see the Catholic Church and what happens when you try to tell someone to ignore a few million years of biology — that pent up frustration manifests itself in completely unnatural and predatory acts.

    This, of course, all goes back to one thing: Control. There is simply no greater control than telling someone else what he or she can or cannot do with his or her own bodies. If you can do that, than there’s no limit what you can convince a person to do.

  • Hmmm. . . its Halloween and the trolls show up. Well, maybe we should go a little easy on this one. Keep S “Fixd” Bahl’s comments in their appropriate conext. What context is that, you ask? This, from his own blog:

    “Disbelief in intergalactic travelers is one of the more infuriating things I hear since I myself have been abducted and observed on Alien spacecraft (or Alien facilities that are hidden on Earth?) When I tell people, they think I’m crazy. During one of these events my digestive system was permanently damaged, so I’m one of the more rare victims of these intrusions because I can provide proof of the event if I chose to.”

    Maybe we should also require these government non-sex ed programs to teach about abstinace from alien “intrusions”?

  • Zeitgeist,

    I looked, but I didn’t go that deep into his blog. Much more thorough guy than I am.

    “Maybe we should also require these government non-sex ed programs to teach about abstinace from alien “intrusions”? ”

    LOL!

  • Holy crap …

    That Bahl guy is a hoot! He’s of royal lineage, believes his his perpetual flatulence is proof of an alien abduction, considers all of us here at CBR immoral perverts because we think adults should be treated as such, and lists Little Green Footballs as part of the “Coalition of Truth.”

    Methinks someone ate too many lead paint chips as a child …

  • Comment by S.Bahl at his “blog”:

    25% of Iraq’s Parliament is made up of women! That’s going to have to change if they’re ever going to have stability over there. If we leave now, that number could grow. I don’t want to advocate unnecessary violence, but a few IEDs in the feminine napkin dispenser in the Iraqi parliament building’s ladies room could reduce that number to a more manageable level.

    Thank you Shitbahl, for demonstrating everything everyone is discussing hrere as to what kind of perverted asshole you are.

  • “This, of course, all goes back to one thing: Control. There is simply no greater control than telling someone else what he or she can or cannot do with his or her own bodies. If you can do that, than there’s no limit what you can convince a person to do.”

    That’s a very good insight Unholy Moses.

    Excuse the length, but I swear the playbook of the Bush conservatives is 1984, which is far scarier than anything Stephen King ever wrote.

    O’Brien to Winston in Room 101:

    “We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent there will be no need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always—do not forget this Winston—always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever.”

    From Part III, Chapter II

    Earlier in the book it’s explained this way:

    “Unlike Winston, she [Julia] had grasped the inner meaning of the Party’s sexual Puritanism. It was not merely that the sex instinct created a world of its own which was outside the Party’s control and which therefore had to be destroyed if possible. What was more important was that sexual privation induced hysteria, which was desirable because it could be transformed into war-fever and leader-worship. The way she put it was:

    ‘When you make love you’re using up energy; and afterwards you feel happy and don’t give a damn for anything. They can’t bear you to feel like that. They want you to be bursting with energy all the time. All this marching up and down and cheering and waving flags is simply sex gone sour. If you’re happy inside yourself, why should you get excited about Big Brother and the Three-Year Plans and the Two Minutes Hate and all the rest of their bloody rot?’

    That was very true he thought. There was a direct, intimate connection between chastity and political orthodoxy. For how could the fear, the hatred and the lunatic credulity which the Party needed in its members be kept at the right pitch, except by throttling down some powerful instinct and using it as a driving force? The sex impulse was dangerous to the Party, and the Party had turned it to account.”

    From Part II, Chapter III.

  • “The only thing that has ever come out of sex is disease, poverty, death, pain, destruction, and children. Why does it matter if you are 12 years old or 30 years old. The only people who should be engaging in sexual activity are married people. ”
    S. Bahl.

    A couple of my now divorced friends would say the same thing about coming out of a bad marriage.

    Wow. I didn’t know premartial sex was that evil…
    I’ll be waiting when he/she/it writes the book; Sperm: Satan’s Special Fluid.

    As an angry prevert (sic), I would like to clarify something for our wingnut friend here.

    Your Position:
    I don’t want to have sex outside of marriage so you can’t.
    Liberal Position:
    If you don’t want to have to sex is fine with me.

    BTW, you still haven’t answered our question? Are you a virgin?

  • I don’t want to advocate unnecessary violence…

    Holy shit. This from the same man who is offended by comments about the Bush Twin’s bushes. He also won’t let his wife hunt sasquatch with him because it’s too dangerous. (Translation: She might see a real schlong and dump me like a sack of moldy oatmeal.) Oh well, I don’t want to advocate unnecessary violence but I think a 12″ HEX butt plug for Mr. Fixd Bahls would reduce the number of raving moon bats running around the planet.

    And now, I am going to forget Mr. Bahl exists. Not because he’s a raving fuckwit, but because he has a comment section to his blog. No one wants to go there.

  • Somebody needs to do an ad listing all the dumbass Theocratic things this administration does, then they need to tack on this at the end:

    “You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man’s age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, ‘The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits.'”

    I’ll give you a few moments to guess who said it and when.

  • Lance, I was going to guess Homer Simpson except for the Plutarch reference. Homer is an Aristophanes man as I recall.

    Seriously, is it Rush? “America was founded on the principle of maximum individual freedom. It was this individual freedom that made America the greatest country in the world. The more choices individuals have, the better their chances of success, and the greater the nation. Maximum individual freedom is an idea that has the consequence of maximum health, wealth, and happiness.”

  • You’re pretty close Unholy. It’s actually Ronald Reagen’s nominating speach for Barry Goldwater in 1964.

    But deconstruct it a little:

    “Up to man’s age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.”

    Why are we telling people when and with whom to have sex?

    “Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path.”

    Why are we wiretapping without warrant and imprisioning without Habeas Corpus (for those Latin challenged, that simply means “Why have you locked me up without charge or conviction?”) ?

    “Plutarch warned, ‘The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits.'”

    Faith-based initiatives? Tax loopholes for the Energy Companies?

    I’d love to have Nancy Pelosi start reading the text of this section of the speach, than morph into Ronald.

    Imagine the Intro:

    If the Democrats win on November 7th, Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco would be our next Speaker of the House. Can you accept the liberal philosophy she’d put into place?

    Now that would be great advertising.

  • My apologies to S. Bahl. After reading his tongue-in-cheek site, it becomes much clearer. Very dark humor, but humorous nonetheless.

  • “Created for discerning Americans who possess an unyielding presupposition of truth. For those who are not interested in following where the zealots of factualism lead—Fixd was created for you.”

    From S. Bahl.

    D’oh.

  • I think it is time for Al Franken to dust off his quest for “inspiring annecdotes of choosing abstinence” from those who think throwing government $$ at abstinence only programs is a capital idea. As far as I know, Al’s solicitations for such examples of restraint and morality from the moral paragons have to date received no response. Quel surprise. Let’s have W and Laura go first, and then we can move on to the twins.

    Lots of funny stuff on this thread. Kudos to y’all

  • Of course you all noticed the “between two persons”–so masturbation is apparently ok.

    Whew! (I was worried there for a minute!)

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