Bush’s heads-I-win-tails-you-lose argument in Iraq

We’ve been dealing with this kind of argument for a little too long now. When conditions in Iraq deteriorate, the Bush administration says, “We can’t withdraw U.S. troops now; this is when they’re needed most.” When violence wanes, those same officials say, “We can’t withdraw U.S. troops now; their presence is helping bring some stability to Iraq.” We should stay the course if Iraq improves, and stay the course if Iraq worsens. Either way, we have to stay the course.

Evaluating the “surge” has become a similar game. The policy is a success, the administration insists, because violence and casualties have gone down. That the point of the policy was to create conditions for political progress, of which there’s been none, is apparently an inconvenience that is supposed to go unmentioned.

And now that violence in Basra is erupting, and the Mahdi ceasefire may be unraveling, you’ll never guess what the Bush gang believes now. Yep, this is proof of the success of the surge, too.

The Pentagon on Wednesday said an eruption of violence in southern Iraq, where US-backed government forces were battling Shiite militias, was a “by-product of the success of the surge.”

Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said it showed that the Iraqi government and security forces were now confident enough to take the initiative against Shiite extremists in the southern port of Basra.

“Citizens down there have been living in a city of chaos and corruption for some time and they and the prime minister clearly have had enough of it,” he said at a Pentagon press conference.

It wasn’t just the Pentagon. Stephen Hadley, Bush’s National Security Adviser, also pointed to the violence in Basra as a sign of success.

It’s hard to overstate how unpersuasive this is.

As John Cole explained very well:

The positive outcome of the surge to stop the violence was an increase in elective violence.

Let’s not debate the merits or veracity of this claim, but point out that this is the worst framing of the situation in Iraq, ever — “The surge is so successful that we can expect a lot more violence!” This is even dumber than the previously trumpeted “The fact that they are resorting to suicide bombs is a sign of our success!”

That latter point wasn’t a joke, by the way; the administration and its allies really used that argument.

I’d just add that at the Pentagon’s press conference Wednesday, Geoff Morrell added that the violence in Basra is “a sign that the Iraqi security forces are now capable of confronting, fundamentally, their problems.” That would sound encouraging, if it were true, which it isn’t.

As James Joyner explained, “The problem with this analysis, at least from the vantage point of what has happened thus far, is that the operation has been a disaster. Reports on NPR this morning say the Iraqi Army is vastly outmanned and outgunned. Further, there have been cases — how many is unclear — of Iraqi soldiers taking off their uniforms and joining the enemy. That doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.”

No, it certainly does not. I am, however, fairly certain that I can predict the administration’s next argument: “The fact that the Iraqi Army got clobbered by Shiite militias reminds us that the U.S. has a lot of work to do in building up the country’s security forces, and should plan to be there for the foreseeable future. Any talk of a withdrawal, in light of the bloodshed in Basra, is obviously inappropriate.”

After all, it’s heads Bush wins, tails we lose.

The surge also cures scrofula, I hear.

  • If Hillary gets four pinocchios for her Bosnia story, Bush gets at least forty for this speech. My favorite part was that the legislature recently passed a budge, something our Congress has trouble doing. Maybe if the Republicans would just go home and refuse to participate like the Sunnis and half the Shia, that problem could be solved.

  • I posted on this at swimming freestyle.

    Excerpt:
    “After six months of a self imposed cease fire by the Mahdi Army, all hell is breaking loose in Baghdad and Basra as the Mahdi Army is battling U.S. and Iraqi Army forces and the relative stability brought about by the “surge” of U.S. forces is now threatened.

    Today, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino delivered what may be the most stunning counter perspective in ages. This, in fact, may well rank in the Hall of Fame for counterintuitive logic. Ms. Perino asserts the new violence in Iraq is not a setback but, in fact, really a positive sign”. (http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com

  • Cheney was just in the Mid East and now the natives are restless. How much of this increase in violence has to do with Cheney manipulating the war to ensure America continues to fail at keeping PEACE.; To provide the continued American presence for the BUSH/Cheney et al personal financial gain.

  • The logical flipside of Bush’s magical coin works in favor of the anti-war side.

    Violence is up? We should get out of that mess.

    Violence is down? They don’t need us anymore, let’s get out.

  • Anyone notice how many times Iran is mentioned in the press releases and accounts of this “sign of surge success”?

  • So I guess if the Iraqi army is staffed with people who will take the nice new guns we gave them and use them against us, I guess that’s also a sign of progress. It proves that the Iraqis are “standing up”.

    This latest up-is-downism is just a slightly different approach from Cheney’s explicit “Fuck you, America, you elected us and we will do what we please” and of course a close variant of McCain’s “I don’t care what the facts are, we’re winning”.

    But mark my words, they will reduce troop levels if it’s at all possible… toward the end of this summer. Because so far the only thing that’s ever made the Bushies do anything remotely sensible in Iraq is the approach of American elections.

    The guys who told us this war would be a cakewalk now say we’re winning. Maybe now the American people will finally see through the BS and make a sensible decision, but I’m not holding my breath.

  • I love the Bush logic! I can apply it so many ways:

    • I ran out of cash at the blackjack table, maxed out my credit cards, and now Security is dragging me out by the scruff of my neck. I must be winning!

    • My wife got the house, the car, the boat and the bank account. My divorce lawyer says he should get everything else because he won for me.

    • Yeah, I lost the Ferbish Widget account, insulted the wife of the President of Blotto Bank, our second biggest client, and can’t account for $20 million in vanished income that was supposed to be spent on advertising.See how good I am!

    •Of course the patient died! I successfully cut out his heart. It cured his chest pains, didn’t it?

    Excellently cranky,
    The New York Crank

  • Before we make any more assumptions about the true state of affairs in Iraq, I want to know what the War Zsar says about it.
    Whadda yu say, War Zsar General Lute?
    Hello!
    Anybody home?

    Does a War Zsar General outrank a Four Star General?

  • It reminds me of this little gem back in in 2003 by the Don himself:

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/04/11/sprj.irq.pentagon/

    “Freedom’s untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things,” Rumsfeld said. “They’re also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that’s what’s going to happen here.”

    Looting, he added, was not uncommon for countries that experience significant social upheaval. “Stuff happens,” Rumsfeld said.

    Let’s not bicker and argue over who killed who…………..

  • obama has it right — there aren’t any good answers — Bush has in effect created another perpetual mideast crisis. and while conservative pundits like pat buchanan keep trying to define obama’s position on iraq as one of “precipitious withdrawal” i do believe, as obama says, that we have to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in.

    this war has been both a political and humanitarian disaster, and the latter on many occasions has me sick to my stomach.

    unfortunately in this case, the US’s chickens have roosted in iraq.

  • Bush has used this same logic of convenience for nearly 8 years. If Nixon had tried this strategy, the press would have had what they used to call a field day. But in the 21st century, they just lap it up and reprint it, in headline bold. Making sense is no longer a requirement.

  • Evaluating the “surge” has become a similar game. The policy is a success, the administration insists, because violence and casualties have gone down. That the point of the policy was to create conditions for political progress, of which there’s been none, is apparently an inconvenience that is supposed to go unmentioned.

    And now that violence in Basra is erupting, and the Mahdi ceasefire may be unraveling, you’ll never guess what the Bush gang believes now.

    Relying on the reports of an anti-American press (AFP) and leftists would skew anyone’s understanding of this. The Sadrite terrorists, who have arms, are told by the Iraqi government to lay them down. They don’t and begin to fight back. I suppose to the “liberals” a “peaceful” solution would be to let this illegal “militia” made up of Iranian-backed terrorists do what they want. Which is why “liberals” loved Saddam Hussein; he could murder as many as he wanted to his heart’s content; as long as the “liberals” didn’t know about it since Hussein wouldn’t let that information get out, and the “liberals” could proclaim that there was “peace”

    The lack of context and the attempt to use opinion as fact (“That the point of the policy was to create conditions for political progress, of which there’s been none,…”) is typical, and invalid.

  • “The Pentagon on Wednesday said an eruption of violence in southern Iraq, where US-backed government forces were battling Shiite militias, was a ‘by-product of the success of the surge.’”

    Bullshit is a by-product of bulls, but it’s THE product of the Bush administration. Since Bush came into office everything is good news for the Bushies — even when it isn’t. I though after Rudy we’d reached the nadir of such comments (“McCain clinches the nomination, this is great news for Giuliani!”) I guess not. Since when has failure ever been a by-product of success? This is no longer good comedy, it’s becoming accepted practice in our society. The media needs to step in and call this steaming pile what it is. The blogs just aren’t a loud enough voice. But hopefully, the public is jaded enough to see these Bushist statements for what they are.

  • I happened to catch a snipet of his speech as I was walking past a television at my client site. Not only did he say what CB mentioned, but he said that it’s imperative that the Iraqi retirees get the benefits they have coming to them.

    Hmmm, first healthcare and now this? Good to know that all of the benefits Americans once counted on are also being exported, along with our jobs.

    I hate this man more and more everytime I see his smirking, lying face.

  • (snark) I’m nostalgic for when outbursts of violence were clear evidence of the insurgency being in its last throes.

  • At this juncture, when the Bush crowd is empty on vision, empty on reasoning, and empty on the facts on the ground, all they have is that damn circular argument thing that merely leads us back to damned if we do, damned if we don’t “withdrawal syndrome.”

    Mr. Bush has stepped into a humungous Texan cow pie, and he wants us to take it off for him – stink and all! Now is the time to prompt the Maliki government to petition the U.N. to help it survive the sectarian violence at its doorstep. Mr. Bush has already spent too much time, materials and men/women trying to right his mistake.

    Our men and women in uniform deserve better than what they’ve gotten from the non-combat-tested Bush/Cheney team. Get our troops home by the end of the year Mr. Bush! -Kevo

  • Definitely have to stay…

    If we stay then Sunni government forces can fight Shiiite insurgents, but if we leave we’ll have civil war!

    At least we’ll be CALLING it that once Obama or Clinton withdraw.

  • So the Maliki government attacks the Sadrists because they are afraid of losing the elections and we are ok with that? What happens if they lose this little battle? Do the Sunnis wait till the Shiites kill each other and attack? Somehow our usual method of stopping this by giving one third guns, one third money and throwing the other third in jail doesn’t look like it will work any better than the Fed’s method of solving the credit crisis by lowering interest rates.
    The fact is that if we want to get out of Iraq, we have to go through Basra. It should be an interesting year.

  • Right, and now we can expect Brian Williams, Katie Couric, Charles Gibson, and the entire corporate media in all of it’s forms to repeat this exact same piece of paradoxical lies , masturbating under the table as they do so, collecting their million dollar paydays as they cum in the middle of their propaganda splutterings …….

  • SteveILL, how does the chirping of “surge success! surge success!” by every major news outlet over the last six months translate into “liberal media”?

    And by your reckoning how is a million dead iraqis in five years, plus 4,000 US troops including 900 since the surge an improvement over Sadaam Hussein?

  • And don’t forget the corollary to the “head I win, tails you lose” scam: if a Democrat is by some miracle elected and starts withdrawing troops, there WILL be another “terrorist” attack on American soil (false flag, just like 9/11) so that all the wingnuts can foam at the mouth and say, “Impeach! He/She put America in danger by pulling out of Iraq! We need to restore Republican rule through martial law because the country is at risk!”

    These people are completely ruthless, sociopathic killers and they’ll stop at nothing to maintain their power. This was the primary purpose of invading Iraq. The oil and the defense contract loot were just icing on the cake.

  • Still going with that “million dead Iraqis” lie dishonestly presented by a bunch of leftist hacks? Don’t even try it.

    Before the invasion, did you care how many Iraqis Saddam murdered? I don’t mean those that just died, but the ones Saddam murdered. Or did that not concern you since there was “peace”?

  • “The lack of context and the attempt to use opinion as fact (”That the point of the policy was to create conditions for political progress, of which there’s been none,…”) is typical, and invalid.” -SteveIL
    Really, Steve?

    In GWB’s initial surge speech, he set forth several benchmarks that we would supposedly hold the Iraqi government to, including:

    -To establish its authority, the Iraqi government plans to take responsibility for security in all of Iraq’s provinces by November.
    -To give every Iraqi citizen a stake in the country’s economy, Iraq will pass legislation to share oil revenues among all Iraqis.
    -To show that it is committed to delivering a better life, the Iraqi government will spend 10 billion dollars of its own money on reconstruction and infrastructure projects that will create new jobs.
    -To empower local leaders, Iraqis plan to hold provincial elections later this year.
    -And to allow more Iraqis to re-enter their nation’s political life, the government will reform de-Baathification laws and establish a fair process for considering amendments to Iraq’s constitution.”

    Granted, a few of these are benchmarks are being approached, but a year after the surge started, none of these benchmarks had been met (the exception, I believe, being the de-baathification law reform, which was denounced by many in Iraq as encouraging more sectarian discrimination)… GWB himself said that the point of the surge was political progress, but it often seems that the only measures by which he’s willing to quantify the relative “success” of his strategy are the increases and decreases in violence.

    Though we’re making progress on the possibility of provincial elections, it’s clear that the Bush administration is going for the appearance of progress rather than making actual sustainable changes in Iraq. Bush is building a house of cards that will collapse at the slightest breeze and try to blame the failure on his political opponents.

  • Before the invasion, did you care how many Iraqis Saddam murdered?

    Was he doing it in my name and with my tax money?

  • This is par for the course with Bush.

    We needed tax cuts first because we had a surplus and needed to return the people’s money. Then when we ran a deficit, we needed them to stimulate the economy. Now that the recession’s here, we need them again.

  • Before the invasion, did you care how many Iraqis Saddam murdered? I don’t mean those that just died, but the ones Saddam murdered. Or did that not concern you since there was “peace”? -SteveIL

    So the answer is to kill more people…? You’re arguing that when someone else chooses to kill people its not okay, but that when we choose to kill people it is okay? I’m seriously confused… We gave Saddam weapons to use against Iran knowing he was a human rights violator. Clearly there wasn’t “peace” as you claim because our country felt the need to funnel money and weapons to him until he stopped acting in our best interest. We “peaceniks” weren’t the ones turning a blind eye to the millions who were being slaughtered by Saddam, we were the ones urging the government to stop funding him. You war-hawks were the ones arguing that Saddam had to be propped up against the scary, scary Iranians.

    I’m just curious, SteveIL, what’s your opinion on China, Musharraf, or the other human-rights violating regimes we prop up as “allies”?

  • With Hillary & Obama tearing at each other’s vitals like wild dogs, I had almost become reconciled to hearing the phrase “President McCain” come January 2009. But should al Maliki’s adventure in Basra blow up, so to speak, in the Iraqi prime minister’s face and Iraq further advance towards anarchy (which is, after all, another form of freedom), then McCain will reap the whirlwind.

    Anyway, this Basra embroglio is about oil. Bagdad needs Basra in order export its crude. It has no other port.

  • SteveIL, ok, let’s go with the lowest credible estimate, 89,000 dead Iraqis. Not many of the right wing hacks would dispute that. So please explain how we’ve improved things. Then explain how that helps Americans.

    Or you could just answer the questions I asked before.

  • Any day now Bush and the neocons will be applying the same Orwellian logic to Pakistan. After all these years, is the Bush administration’s Pakistan policy finally coming unstuck? It looks as if Musharraf’s days are numbered, and since the administration put all its Pakistani eggs in one basket, the same seems to be true of a cornerstone of their GWOT policy. Just one more way that events elsewhere in the world continue to affect the U.S. while most of us don’t even notice, distracted as we are by the media circus that passes for coverage of the presidential primaries.

  • Well, it may be all about how you define “success”. If the object of the invasion was flex a little imperial muscle and conquer a country, then success is nowhere to be found…nor will it be found.

    However, if the object of the invasion was actually to create a giant mess then our success has been grand.

    I can’t, nor would i want to, get inside Dick Cheney’s head (ok, maybe i would). But i’m coming to the conclusion that they hoped for the first success, but are willing to settle for the second. It is not as glorious, but it does serve most of their underlying aims.

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