Carville’s bright idea: a break in the resignations

Samantha Power said something intemperate, so she was forced to resign. Geraldine Ferraro said something racially offensive, so she was forced to resign. A member of Obama’s LGBT leadership council, Maxim Thorne, said something rude about Clinton sex scandals, so she was forced to resign. Clinton officials in Iowa sent around the Obama email smear, so they resigned. Clinton’s New Hampshire chairman resigned. The Clinton campaign wants Gen. McPeak to resign from Obama’s team. Now, Rev. Jeremiah Right may have to resign from some honorary position in the Obama campaign.

I can generally take or leave James Carville, but in a Financial Times op-ed today, he makes a compelling case that there’s just been too many resignations lately. (British spelling and grammar throughout) (via Alex Koppelman)

In this, the most fascinating and longest-running Democratic primary process of our time, we were presented with a silly moment that unfortunately is all too reflective of modern American culture. Consider the case of one Samantha Power.

Ms Power, a senior foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama, was forced to resign after she referred to Hillary Clinton (whom I admire and am supporting) as a “monster”. She tried to retract her statement but, being unable to declare something off the record ex post facto (do the Scots even have journalism rules?), her words were printed.

What is now a shamefully predictable brouhaha ensued. Ms Power performed the ritual act of American political hara-kiri and resigned. Now, every time one campaign’s surrogate says something mildly offensive about their rival, resignation calls are swift. This sort of hyper-sensitivity diminishes everyone who engages in it. Politics is a rough business and yet there seems to be an effort by the commentariat to sanitise US politics to some type of high-level Victorian debating society…. Have we really reached the point where you cannot call your opponent a monster (even if you think her one)?

The point of the Carville piece isn’t about Power’s flap specifically, but rather the rash of resignations, some of which may have been unnecessary. Carville, who is an active Clinton supporter and surrogate, takes a reasonably even-handed approach to all of this.

Indeed, this was an especially helpful stroll down memory lane.

It is not the attacks that are unprecedented; it is the shocked reaction to them. I think back to the 1992 Bill Clinton campaign, in which I played a role. The morning after the New Hampshire primary, Paul Begala, my colleague, belittled the victory of Senator Paul Tsongas by arguing Mr Clinton’s comeback was a much bigger story. In doing so, Mr Begala called Mr Tsongas a “son of a bitch”. Mr Clinton asked him to write an apology note but also requested that it not affect his aggressiveness. The story lasted one day.

Later in the campaign, my then girlfriend and now wife, Mary Matalin, called my client “a philandering, pot-smoking draft dodger”. Naturally, someone made a perfunctory call for her to resign, which got nowhere, and we all got a good laugh and moved on.

I’d forgotten about most of this, and Carville’s quite right. Begala called a Democratic candidate a “son of a bitch,” and no one seemed to care. Power inadvertently called Clinton a “monster,” quickly apologized, praised Clinton to the hilt, and still had to give up her post — because that kind of talk “has no place” in a presidential campaign.

Except, of course, that it does.

Carville even takes on the Ferraro flap.

Rather than having to resign, as she has just done, she should have been dispatched to a cruise ship for a few weeks of sightseeing and spa treatments. I hear Antarctica is a popular destination this time of year.

Now, there is an obvious problem here. Different people are going to have different sensitivities. This is a line-drawing argument — few are going to argue that a candidate’s aides can say anything, no matter how offensive, and expect to keep their jobs. But drawing distinctions is inherently tricky.

Nevertheless, Carville makes a persuasive case. The hair-trigger reactions, and the near-constant calls for resignations and dismissals, has grown quite tiresome. Carville concludes, “So Ms Power, come back to work. New York Times, get out of these candidates’ way. Everybody take a deep breath. And if somebody refers to their rival as a little pissant, do not sweat it. Nobody seems to even know what that is.”

Fair enough.

Can we also include an end to demanding denunciations?

This whole “you must publically denounce and reject” Wright, Farrakahn, Ferraro, Imus, MoveOn.org, Dick Durbin and all the rest who have offended some group, is exceedingly silly. Why isn’t it sufficient to say, “I don’t agree with that position because…”

The demand for public renunciation is just a psychological tool to humiliate, and humiliation has never seemed like a very good tool for reaching a solution.

  • interesting article by Carville, but what struck me most was the sentence
    “ex post facto (do the Scots even have journalism rules?), her words were printed.”

    This is a good indicator of how the reporters in the US operate. If some one says something, they are allowed to take it back.

    In the UK, when an interview takes place the ground rules are set. If Samantha Power had said, ” this is off the record, Hillary is a monster”, then the reporter would not have printed this.
    However Power said ” hillary is a monster, this is of the record”, then the reporter is bound to report it.
    One cannot close the stable doors after the horse has bolted.

    Journalism in the UK is adversarial and it exists to confront power and keep people accountable.
    whereas if one contrast this with, say Tim Russert who said that he considers all talks he has with politicians are off record, you then get a melding of journalism and the powerful which is not good for society.

  • The hair-trigger PC behavior on the campaign trail is at its absurd conclusion. Not only are candidates and campaigns expected to be above reproach by any and every audience, but so are the people tangentially connected to the campaign. The Samantha Power flap was among the most silly things as of late, but the worst example was the Melissa McEwan – Bill Donahoe mess. The level of hypersensitivity, perceived harm and retribution was staggeringly insane in that case.

    The call for firings are now but another tool in the toolbox of political campaigns. The genie’s out of the bottle and it’s questionable whether it’ll be contained again. But this trick only works if the other side has a sense of shame to be exploited. In the McCain campaign’s case, the absent sense of shame makes calls for resignation, rejection and repudiation ineffective. Running a campaign is so much easier without a sense of morality or conscience.

  • Carville is a creep, and no Democrat in their right mind would marry his wife, but he’s not wrong about this issue. One good thing that’s come out of it is that Obama is getting some practice sounding presidential, I think he’s done very well at keeping the silliness from overshadowing the main issues.

  • I tend to disagree, with Carville’s broader point at least. While one might make the case that Power’s statement about Clinton was not really sufficiently over the line to require a resignation, his assumption that because politics has always been rough and dirty it ought to remain that way strikes me as misguided. What is really so bad about the “Victorian debating society” model, in which ad hominem attacks are discouraged in favor of positive campaigning and a focus on substance? While perhaps the trend of calling for immediate resignations over every intemperate remark is a bit too much, I can’t say I’m sorry to see the norms of political competition–particularly intra-party competition– evolve to a point where referring to referring to a competitor as a “son of a bitch” would no longer be par for the course.

  • I agree with Carville wholeheartedly. In fact, I believe the main reason Obama insisted on a both a “rejection” and resignation from Ferraro is because Clinton campaign insisted on the word “reject” in the Ohio debate, and she wouldn’t accept an apology from Powers. Obama was essentially sending a message that you can’t shoot at us and not expect us to return fire. To be sure, there are circumstances that would necessitate a “resignation”, but things were beginning to get silly. Hopefully, this nonsense will end now, and we can get back to important issues.

  • I disagree with Carville. It’s about damn time we hold our representatives to a higher standard. That’s the difference between then and now. 20 years ago, Ferraro’s racism was tolerated. Not today.

    Maybe instead of arguing for less resignations (aka accountability) and turning a blind eye to it, we should argue for less hiring of loose lipped morons.

  • Screw that! I’m calling for the immediate resignation of everyone, due to their failure to denounce, reject, and renounce everything I disagree with. I am so offended. You are all monsters!

    Update: I now sincerely apologize for the terrible remark I made about all of you and have submitted my immediate resignation as Doctor Biobrain; effective immediately. It saddens me greatly to have to do this, but that bad, bad woman Hillary Clinton was using this to hurt the wonderfully spry Barack Obama, and so I am forced to step down against my will. New elections to fill the position of new Doctor Biobrain will be announced shortly. You’re still all monsters.

  • Carvell is right

    Eye on the ball. What Pastor Wright said is not the issue. He is not the candidate and if religious leaders are the issue, we need to be attacking McCain over his hypocrisy on the religious right. Why do you Hill Supporters not see this? I don’t like Hill but if she were the nominee I would vote for her. I don’t want McSame as Bush.

    By the way I believe Pastor Wright shares the same lunacy as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who made similar 911 comments, except they blamed gays for the 911. McSame’s new BRF’S blamed Hurricane Katrina on a gay parade in New Orleans (HAGEE and PARSLEY).

    This Obama and Hillary hatred is a little seamy from Democrats. I again call for the Reagan’s (The only thing I liked about him) Thou shalt not speak ill of another Repuglican. New commandment “Thou shalt not speak ill of another Democrat”.

    Even Mitt Romney wants to be part of McSame’s team and is attacking Hill and Barack.

  • Ick.
    “Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican is what gave birth to the TomDeLay model of goosestepping iron fisted control which in turn led to unanimous tolerance for the culture of corruption.

    No thank you.
    Democrats, if one of us steps in it… call him out on it.
    It keeps us honest and as we have seen, voters eventually decide they prefer honesty.

  • Anyone else curious that Carville didn’t object when it was just Hillary calling for everyone’s head on a platter? Now that it’s a pitched battle, he wants both sides to stop.

    But, I’ll give the man credit, he’s taking his own side to task, which is more than so many of our in-house Hillary supporters are doing.

  • The media won’t let these issues drop. They will hound any Dem candidate until they give in and fire or denounce or retract, etc. And the press seems to be relative in their demands. Someone like Spitzer must resign because he violated Dem rules of conduct. They would never let up on him. While. Vitters and Craig aren’t harassed by the press because they are acting within Republican rules.

  • too

    Are you kidding. If that were true, we would have had President Gore or Kerry. Repuglicans never ever critize each other. See Seantors Vitter and Craig. Back in the fold. Spitzer and McGreavey resigned. And did the repubs give us any credit. Hell, no they keep up the attacks.

    Yes, I don’t believe in a circular firing squad. I prefer to shoot the enemy with my verbal and other skills. Not another Democrat.

  • First, James Carville is probably the last SOB on the planet who could argue this point meaningfully, as he has been part-and-parcel of the “problem” for a good many years now.

    Second, I’m probably not the only SOB on the planet who thinks that Carville’s playing the Rodney King card (can’t we all just get along?) because throwing Ferraro under the bus is taking a big bite out of the Clinton fundraising machine—just when they need all the cash they can get, to counter the coming Obama ad-blitz in Pennsylvania.

    And as I have just called myself an SOB, the Clinton campaign and its surly surrogates have no grounds for demanding my resignation from anything.

  • petorado,

    …but the worst example was the Melissa McEwan – Bill Donahoe mess. The level of hypersensitivity, perceived harm and retribution was staggeringly insane in that case.

    I know its off-topic, but you may not know how true the above statement is. Since that “mess”, McEwan has been unable to find gainful employment. Coincidence? I think not. Donahoe ought to be ashamed.

  • I really REALLY disagree with this post, mainly because it’s coming from Carville, and by extension, The Clinton Campaign. What happened, is, one of their tactics backfired, big time, and now theyr’e trying to close the stable door after all the horses have bolted. They got their knickers in a twist over the “Hillary is a monster” comment, then unleashed the tongue of Ferraro to say all sorts of even worse, even more derogatory comments and they got called out for it. It didn’t work, it caused more harm for Clinton than good. Instead of looking like the CLinton Campaign is tough, it looks like the Clinton Campaign is callow and cruel.

    NOW, AFTER poisoning what had been a rather unified party climate for quite a while, they want to take a break from the campaigns demanding resignations. If it were taking place in a schoolyard, it’d play like this…

    Kid #1: You suck! You smell! You’re parents are divorces because you’re such a p***y! Nobody likes you! Get cancer and die! Retard!”

    Kid #2: You’re a jerk, you know that?

    Kid #1: Hey, whoa, whoa, hay, calm down son…let’s not say things we’re gonna regret.

    Kid #2: I…I guess you’re right.

    Kid #1: Jeez, just what a assneck living abortion like you would say.

    Kid #2: Hey, wait a minute…

    Kid #1: What? We just made a truce, and you’re already backing out of it? Man, your word ain’t worth spit, scrotumface!

    Moral of the story (if you can consider any story involving a Clinton or one of their minions to have a moral nowadays) When you’re losing, change the rules, and keep changing ’em so your opponent never knows what the rules are. Can’t win if you don’t know how to play, and you can’t know how to play if WE keep changing the rules. So, by default, WE WIN!

    We’ve got a candidate trying to descend traditional political smear, and lo and behold, the people who made a quite nice living wallowing in political smear take umbrage. Eff him. He’s a smart enough guy, but he doesn’t want the machine to work better because he gets paid more when the machine works poorly, and when it makes a lot of noise, so he can work for the candidates who keep it running poorly and noisily for a year, then spend the next 3 talking about what we can do to fix the machine. Worthless. Him and his stupid wife.

  • I don’t see anything wrong with “hyper-sensitivity,” as Carville and some others seem to be labeling it. Personally, I’m of the opinion that good manners are supposed to be adhered to regardless of the circumstances, including political campaigning. Politics being rough and tumble is one thing; political candidates and their staff acting like cretinous boors is something else again.

    That said, I wouldn’t be demanding resignations either. If I were a political campaigner, I would not fire, or ask for the resignation of, someone on my staff unless they were particularly egregious in their rudeness. Public apologies, yes, but resignations no. And I wouldn’t demand resignations of my opponent’s staff either; I would use their rudeness as a wedge issue instead. When your opponent is kind enough to hand you weapons on a silver platter, the least you could do is use them.

  • “a philandering, pot-smoking draft dodger”

    Wow, talk about bring back a memory.

    Let’s face it, that was funny to everyone and it was too close to the truth to deny and it went after choices made, even if inaccurate. It wasn’t some racial cheap shot.

    Gerry had to go and Clinton is an idiot for not distancing herself ASAP. James has to know that and that is why he tried to equate it with the other, and give Clinton some undeserved cover.

  • Maybe, just maybe, the days of dirty politics are coming to an end. Someone should tell Carville and the Clinton campaign that this is what they are not getting!!

    Some of us are sick of it!!! Some of us want to have “grown up” politicians, not school yard bully talk, which Carville is saying is part and parcel of it all. In fact, this is a big part of what the Obama campaign is all about, why it is so much about “change” — this is a big part of the kind of change we want to see happening. Clinton people don’t seem to see that.

  • Carville is trying to shift the focus here.
    He is trying to cover for the fact that Clinton did nothing for days about Ferraro.
    N-O-T-H-I-N-G!
    It took a looming facial slap from Olbermann for Clinton to attempt to preempt him and do the right thing. It really is quite embarrassing…
    Ferraro and her supporters acted like republicans and republican trolls.
    It is the sort of bitter loser-speak you’d expect from Limbaugh and Hannity.
    Carville knows it is time to shift the coverage and memory off of that…
    And so he tries to get everybody looking at the cup that doesn’t have the prejudicial pea under it.

    I call bull shite…

    It’s bullshit and Carville’s bullshit and the Clinton’s are snakes.
    They all need to be run over.
    And then we need to throw it reverse…
    And run the lot of them over again.

  • I wonder if Carville’s stance isn’t fueled by the fact that Hillary has bled platoons of followers for making retarded comments while Barack has had….what,one?…..and they’re trying to tone down the situation because they’re starting to run short of bodies to keep the phone banks running?

  • Carville as the arbiter of ethical behavior? What a hoot! Here’s the way I see it. People say stupid things sometimes. I was taught to apologize when I did that. When others apologized to me, I was taught to accept in all but the most egregious circumstances.

    Clinton didn’t accept the MSNBC broadcaster’s apology,she insisted on firing. She didn’t accept Flowers’, she insisted on firing. She didn’t accept Obama’s rejection, but demanded denouncement. Of course, she almost never admits mistakes and apologizes only when cornered (her vote on the AUMF, anyone?). Even then, her apologies are never straightforward, but usually call to mind sometime that she was wronged by someone.

    None of this would be an issue if HRC had apologized when appropriate, and accepted the apologies of others when offered. Of course, that’s not the way she plays. Not enough drama.

  • Wow, and here I was hoping Carville had fallen out of a pirogue and been eaten by an alligator, and now he’s saying things I fully agree with.

    Go back to the election of 1800 and look at every election after. As my great-grand-uncle who worked for Harry Truman told me, “the only ‘good Republican’ is pushing up daisies.” Is that an “intemperate” statement? I’ve been called Tommie The Commie by righties. So what? Anybody who can’t fiture out that real American politics is a blood sport needs to take Harry Truman’s advice (which was given about this specific subject): “If you can’t take the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.”

    All this enforced niceness by the pathetic little twits who make up the Political Corectness Instute is enough to gag a maggot.

  • Yeeeaaaahhhh, I think I disagree with Carville– he’s spouting this one because the Clinton campaign stands to lose a lot more people, and a lot more highly-placed, familiar names, than Obama does.

    I mean, what’s the score right now? Two no-names from Obama’s campaign (advisor and pastor), who basically nobody but the hard-core political junkies have heard of, to one former VP candidate, who just about everyone has heard of…

    Yup, Carville’s side stands to lose a lot more…

  • BAD NEWS KIDS: For decades the dominating political rallying cry has been “GOD, GUNS & GAY’S!”. Now, just as it was switching over to “RACISM, RACISM, RACISM, if actions speak louder than words, then it looks like (resignations not withstanding) Barack has at least one racist bone in his body…Hey, I got an idea; Maybe the Obama campaign should follow the lead from The Carpetbagger Reports comment section and adopt the battle cry “DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!”

  • I always loved Carville. I do not understand how he can stand his wife though. I guess he is a yes man. I can see she wears the pants. Wdraw.

  • Carville is honest and a Democrat. I think he is right. Too many people have had to resign. I am 75 yrs old and have never seen such a historic election. I would be satisfied with either Hillary or Baroc Obama. I think Hillary has the most experience but Baroc may want to get us out of Iroc sooner.
    McSame would just mean more war and death. It is time for a Democrat in the white house. Wdraw.

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