Cast a vote, enter a lottery

At first blush, this sounds like a creative gimmick that might improve voter turnout, but the more I think about it, the less I like it.

A proposal to [tag]award[/tag] [tag]$1 million[/tag] in every general election to one lucky [[tag]Arizona[/tag]] resident, chosen by [tag]lottery[/tag], simply for [tag]voting[/tag] — no matter for whom — has qualified for the November [tag]ballot[/tag].

Mark [tag]Osterloh[/tag], a political gadfly who is behind the initiative, the Arizona [tag]Voter Reward Act[/tag], is promoting it with the slogan, “Who Wants to Be a [tag]Millionaire[/tag]? [tag]Vote[/tag]!” He collected 185,902 signatures of registered voters, far more than the 122,612 required, and last week the secretary of state certified the measure for the ballot this fall.

If the general election in 2004 is a guide, when more than 2 million people voted, the 1-in-2-million odds of winning the election lottery would be far better than the Powerball jackpot (currently about 1 in 146,107,962) but not nearly as great as dying from a lightning strike (1 in 55,928).

People are rarely discouraged by long odds — I’ve long thought lotteries are a tax on people who are bad at math — and in this case, voting won’t even cost “players” anything. If they participate in an election, they’re entered into the “competition.”

Osterloh believes more people would vote if there’s a chance they could win $1 million. He’s almost certainly right. But there are some reasonable concerns about the idea. For one thing, there are laws against enticing people to vote. For another, voting isn’t supposed to be about cash rewards.

“People should not go vote because they might win a lottery,” [Curtis Gans, director of the Center for the Study of the American Electorate] said. “We need to rekindle the religion of civic duty, and that is a hard job, but we should not make voting crassly commercial.”

I agree, but I have yet another concern.

In describing the idea, the New York Times said the gimmick’s aim is to “improve voter turnout and get more people interested in politics.” A lottery would probably do the prior, but there’s no reason to believe it could do the latter.

The logic behind this effort is that higher [tag]turnout[/tag] is an inherent good. I disagree. An unengaged voter, who knows literally nothing about the candidates or the issues, may feel inclined to cast a ballot on Election Day, filling a ballot with choices he or she made more or less at random, for a shot at $1 million. That person hasn’t become engaged by the process or captivated by a sense of civic duty; that person is essentially throwing darts at a board for a chance at a cool million.

Democracy doesn’t thrive on more votes; it thrives on quality votes — an engaged electorate that knows the issues, studies the candidates, and cares about the outcome. Even if a lottery boosted turnout, and I suspect it would, what’s the benefit? Who wins when a potential bribe spurs minimal action among those who would otherwise not care?

Higher turnout is not its own reward. This Arizona gimmick is vaguely clever, but it strikes me as ultimately misguided.

I think the biggest danger is to state level elections. People who have recently moved will be tempted to maintain voting status in Az. They’ll file absentee ballots instead of registering in their new state. It introduces the prospect of races not only being decided by people who don’t care, but by people who don’t even live there.
Hell, maybe I’ll register there. Pa is reasonably blue right now. Maybe I can help turn Az that way. – And win a million dollars!!

  • You are correct, CB. In fact, I’m backtracking on nearly everything I used to think about the voting process. I once favored voting machines over hand-checking selections. I later favored absentee balloting over standing in line (in WA, or at least my county, there are no polling places anymore – everybody mails in their ballot).

    The magic goes out of voting when you do it at home, alone, in your underwear, at your kitchen table or while watching TeeVee, over a series of days rather than on “election day”. The first Tuesday after the first Monday in November … sounds almost religious, or at least sacred, mythic.

    When I was a kid Mom would work our polling place all day long. That night she and other citizens might stay up half the night counting those paper ballots. There was a paper trail. It was a good system. You met people at the polling place you wouldn’t meet the rest of the year. Even the polling places — grammar school classrooms, church basements, a neighbor’s garage — reminded you what a precious privilege voting is. How far removed it is from lottery ticket (“you may have already won”).

    I agree with Curtis Gans: “We need to rekindle the religion of civic duty….”

  • I’ve long thought lotteries are a tax on people who are bad at math

    There’s yet another concern, assuming the above: How many people will think, “My odds might not be great, but if I can discourage enough other people from voting, that might make a difference.” Not many people will follow this line of thought all the way to action, but once you establish some monetary incentive for voting, it’s hard to rule out the possibility.

  • Totally agree CB, the lottery concept would further dilute the knowledgable voters trying to make the right decision for the city/county/state/country. To me this comes off as a knee-jerk reaction to low voter turnout that won’t change the apathetic view that many people have about government and politics.

  • Let me contrarian here.

    Knowing that a significant portion of the population of Arizona is going to come out and vote no matter how boring and off-putting your advertising is will make professional campaign staffs rethink their voter surpression strategies. They’ll start thinking that they need to both actually educate the voters and get the educated voters out on election day to overcome the dart throwers influence.

    Voter Lottery may be stupid and demeaning, and really not a good idea, but there may be some positive aspects as well.

  • I have never, NEVER understood why anyone bothers to vote. There is just no way it is worth the time and expense.

    There has never been a Presidential election where a single vote mattered. There has never been a Senate seat where a single vote mattered. I don’t know if there has ever been a House seat where a single vote mattered.

    Even if you moved from Florida to Ohio in 2002, your vote still didn’t matter.

    Now, I know everyone is jumping up and down saying that if everyone felt that way then a single vote would decide the election. Of course, that is true, but very few people use their head and don’t bother to vote. If 100 people voted for a House seat then each vote would have a theoretical chance to influence the outcome. However, when 10,000 people vote then your vote has basically ZERO chance of changing the outcome.

    So, as long as millions of people think it is important to vote then there is no point in voting. If 95%+ of the people start agreeing with me then I would look at the facts and I would change my view and say that voting is worth the time and effort.

    So if some state gives away money as a bribe then you would need to take that into account. 1.7 million people voted in Arizona so the lottery ticket is worth about 55 cents before taxes. If your time is worth $2.75 an hour then the ticket would be worth 12 minutes of your time. Of course, driving virtually anywhere costs more than 55 cents.

    Go ahead, Flame away.

    It doesnt change the FACT that voting is a massive waste of time

  • Gans is a great guy. I had the pleasure of meeting him about 11 years ago; he’s a true tribune of good government and responsible citizenry. And I bet you could fit all the people in this country who even know who he is into a minor-league ballpark.

  • And I bet you could fit all the people in this country who even know who he is into a minor-league ballpark.

    A really, really small ballpark. Regardless, I think Gans is great too.

    It doesnt change the FACT that voting is a massive waste of time

    I’m not going to flame you Neil, but I will mention that Slate did an interesting mini-debate on this very point in 2004. Taking up the position that voting isn’t worth it was Steven E. Landsburg, while taking the opposite side was Jordan Ellenberg. Fun stuff, to be sure.

  • Okay, Neil, this isn’t much of a flame, but it’s the best I can do:

    In a previous post, Ed Stephan, quoting Curtis Gans, used the phrase, “civic duty.” It’s not about making good use of your time, or even exercising what one of my old profs called your “minimum locus of control” (Gack!). If you care about the country and its policies and its political system, then blowing off your obligation to vote strikes me as similar to the war hawks on the right whose time and aspirations are too valuable to waste on serving in the military, and who prefer to leave such unpleasantness to the under classes. And this isn’t a personal slam at you; rather it reflects my geezer-engendered despair that the concept of “duty” has become foreign to so many.

  • I really like Ed Stephan’s comment. Voting has an almost sacred place in my life too.

    When my kids were little our voting place was a local firehouse. Voting was a real event, talking with the firefighters, checking out the fire engines. And ice cream afterwards – sweet democracy πŸ™‚

    It gave me (and the children as well) a real sense of what it means to be part of the community. Now voting age, they all vote regularly, and I’m really proud of that.

  • Quothe the elitist:

    An unengaged voter, who knows literally nothing about the candidates or the issues…hasn’t become engaged by the process or captivated by a sense of civic duty.

    The fact is that, unlike some political elites, not everyone in America has a political treatise tattooed to his/her ass that they obsess over every time they cast a ballot. The magic of Democracy is that it builds legitimacy and fairness within social norms. The true knuckleheads get washed out with each other, and the moderate middle becomes clearly apparent.

    Besides, to say that voters don’t have enough civic duty sounds vaguely fascist to me.

  • I think the “one vote doesn’t matter” argument took a huge hit in Bush v Gore. It may be true that in a non-battleground state, one vote made no difference. But look at how many states were within their mandatory recount threshold, and how many were close enough that at least limited recounts were requested. In Florida, where the ultimate difference divided by the voting population was a trivial fraction, literally every vote mattered. Had one more person per precinct voted, it could have changed the outcome. (For that matter, look at the Washington State governor’s race where Gregoire won by perhaps the smallest margin ever in a major race). As the country becomes more polarized, more evenly divided, and more precisely targeted, it gets harder and harder to support the “my vote doesn’t count” argument, unless you live in the reddest or bluest of places.

  • “As the country becomes more polarized, more evenly divided, and more precisely targeted, it gets harder and harder to support the “my vote doesn’t count” argument, unless you live in the reddest or bluest of places.” – Zeitgeist

    Especially not with the Rovian strategy of aiming for the 50.1% victory so that you don’t restrict you ‘governing’ by making too many promises you don’t really want to keep. Apparantly, Karl has concluded that you water down your conservatism if you work to get more votes than necessary.

    Which, strangely, I think is probably true. What’s the point of having a 70% voter mandate when you got it by promising to do nothing?

  • No one has mentioned what program the state is going under fund to get the million or what tax they are going to raise.

    Homeless kids might not get lunch so idiots like Neil will vote.

  • How about if they give a million dollars to any politician who can engage in a protracted debate and actually answer the questions that people want them to answer? Maybe to get the million they would be required to answer a set of questions that a high school senior would have to be able to in order to graduate?

    Seems to me like the piss-poor performance of the media is more to blame for voter apathy than anything else.

  • Lance. Good point, but I would say that he stives for more like 20%, but make damn sure they vote for your man.

  • “No one has mentioned what program the state is going under fund to get the million or what tax they are going to raise.” – ScottW

    It’s from uncollected State Lottery winnings. So the really stupid are giving up their money to the unmotivated πŸ˜‰

  • “Lance. Good point, but I would say that he stives for more like 20%, but make damn sure they vote for your man.” – ScottW

    Which is why voter surpression in Florida and Ohio were such critical parts of the Rove election strategy πŸ˜‰

  • And yet we know that our current elections are won because of the votes cast by ill-informed voters.

    So what can we do to improve how well-informed people are who vote?

    What if every voting place also had a room with candidate literature that has been screened to remove any references to the opposition?

  • I’d worry about the Publisher’s Clearinghouse phenomenon. Even though no purchase is required for the PC’s sweepstakes, millions of people buy subscriptions anyway. And there’s a good reason to suspect that many of these people believe they’re helping their chances by making a purchase.

    Now ask these same people to vote in Arizona. To maximize their chance of winning the lottery, I suspect that many will vote for the incumbent party. After all, they’ll be counting the votes.

  • Below find my comment of this morning when the subject e-mailed around among my friends:

    “The Lib’rals are pissing & moaning about it bringing out an uninformed electorate. Obviously they haven’t been following general elections over the past fifty years or so . . .”

  • Why do you think the Founding Fathers limited voting to the white landowners (the educated class of the time)? Why do you think the original Senate was appointed, not directly elected? Why is the Electoral College (an appointed set of people) the elector of the president rather than the populance?

    Simple. Because the Founding Fathers realized the dangers of uneducated masses being swayed by other things than thoughtful reasoning. So they built in steps to prevent that from happening, with the Appointed Senate being able to override the popularly elected House, and the Electoral College electing the President.

    Every step of the checks and balances system originally worked to keep actual power out of the hands of the uneducated. Racist and sexist? In the original circumstances, certainly. But are all of the ideals wrong? Not necessarily. Note that we don’t try to set up countries in our image- but rather in Parlimentarian systems, which allow for much more mitigation of stupidity, even with free elections.

  • “Why do you think the Founding Fathers limited voting to the white landowners (the educated class of the time)? Why do you think the original Senate was appointed, not directly elected? Why is the Electoral College (an appointed set of people) the elector of the president rather than the populance?

    Every step of the checks and balances system originally worked to keep actual power out of the hands of the uneducated.” – Caster Troy

    Those aren’t checks and balances. Checks and Balances are the distribution of powers between the three branches, and between the Federal and State Governments. The points you cite are merely undemocratic elements of our constitution meant to prevent mob rule.

  • Lance, Lance, Lance. This IS the point of Checks and Balances, mitigating both mob rule and imperial rule.

    The entire judicial branch is reviewed not by the House (the originally ‘popularly elected’ branch), but by the Senate (the originally appointed branch).- Thus, under the original rules, common people have no say whatsoever in the judiciary.

    The President is elected by the electoral college (an appointed position).- Thus, the common people have no actual say in the President (And, in history, three elections- four, if you count Gore2K- have overthrown the popular vote and put in the other guy).

    The House is elected by the people, but all of their actions are impossible if not agreed on by the Senate (which was originally appointed positions). Again, the populance is given no direct say.

    Undemocratic? Of course! But, especially in light of the argument put forth in the article above, not wholly wrong. To put it crudely, why should my vote be diluted just because you breed faster than I do? If Christian Fundamentalist (who doesn’t believe in birth control) has 22 kids, should my voice be drowned by the ‘democracy’ of those 24 individuals? Democracy isn’t quite so simple as One Person- One Vote.

    And part of the lesson is that might doesn’t make right (e.g. more numbers don’t justify a wrong cause). My parents, for example, went totally right-wing a couple of years ago (after liberal lifetimes). I, of course, attribute it to insanity. But, now that they are on the f*&ked-up side of the nation, should their two votes negate and reverse mine?…

    Compelling arguments against Democracy (And, please note one important thing- the favorite saying of the Army: “We’re here to protect Democracy, not practice it.” Maybe they do have a point…)

  • Zeitgeist:

    Florida, where the ultimate difference divided by the voting population was a trivial fraction, literally every vote mattered. Had one more person per precinct voted, it could have changed the outcome.

    I believe you are factually wrong. Not a single vote in Florida mattered. If Bush won by 537 or 538 or even 437, it wouldn’t have made any difference. Don’t forget that we still can’t come up with the accurate total because different standards came up with different vote totals.

    It is also important to note that if Gore had asked for a full statewide recount, and it had been allowed, that Gore would have won. This is even before the butterfly ballot which probably cost Gore over 1000 votes.

    No matter how you slice it, one vote didn’t matter.

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    You can even see how often one vote matters if you look at the Supreme Court. The Chief Justice didn’t vote recently and the vote ended up 5-3. If he had voted then it probably would have been 5-4. His vote didn’t matter. In that particular case, none of the Justice’s votes mattered.

    The only time a vote would matter would be in a 5-4 case where the Court overturned the lower court. Even then, it was only the people who voted in the majority that mattered. According the the Wall Street Journal, of the 22 major cases, 10 of them were 5-4 decisions. So that means that 50 votes of the 197 votes in major cases mattered. AND THAT IS WHEN THE TOTAL POPULATION IS NINE

    Of course, there is the historical weight of some votes. Chief Justice Warren managed to convince some of the other Justices the importance of a unanimous decision. History might have been different if the vote had been 8-1 instead of 9-0. So, there is a case where every vote may have mattered. It is hard to tell.

    PS to ScottW Thanks for your comment. It really added to the quality of the debate.

  • 1. Are the kind of people who pay for lottery tickets (and yes, getting oneself to a polling station costs more than 0.59$: the value of a 1 in 1.7M. chance at 1M$) the kind of people who should be encouraged to vote? The one thing we know about the group who would respond to this is that they lack the mental skills to number crunch the investment return of lottery tickets – wow.

    I think the situation would be worse than them just DILUTING other votes, rather swaying the polls in favor of the party better at cattle herding through media control (and distraction through discussion of impertinent issues). From what I’ve seen, this is usually the wrong party for the job.

    2. On the topic of votes counting, a very simple way to make every vote matter would be to replace the electoral college system with the popular vote for parties. Further, each and every vote for a party should be transferred to and used by that party in votes made by representative in government, That is, the vote count on each law/bill/etc. would be exactly the voter turnout for the previous election: in the millions for a country. That way an overwhelmingly blue or red region could, as it should, counterbalance multiple areas that only marginally support the opposite position.

    Another effect of this would be that any new parties could immediately gain real political power (as long as at least one person is elected – and rules could be put into place to remove even that limitation – maybe one ‘free’ rep. per party, accorded all the (deserved) political power of everyone across an area/state/country who voted for that party).

  • Great idea: Take all the ignorant morons who don’t care enough to vote, and get them to go to the polling places for the chance of winning a million dollars. I predict the man who will be elected President will be a moron, a crook and a liar. Oh, wait, that already happened… Never mind. No one can be worse than Bush anyway.

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