CBS asks candidates if global warming is ‘overblown’

The CBS Evening News has come up with an interesting little feature. Katie Couric’s show, as part of its “Primary Questions: Character, Leadership & The Candidates” series, comes up with a simple, straightforward question, and then asks the 10 leading presidential candidates from both parties to offer a short, straightforward answer. Last week, for example, the candidates were asked to talk a little bit about their “biggest mistake.”

This week, the question was slightly more substantive, though worded poorly: “Do you think the risks of climate change are at all overblown?

The Dems answered the question fairly well. John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama all said the risk isn’t over-hyped; Joe Biden, for whatever reason, didn’t answer the question directly, but seemed like he was on the right track; and Bill Richardson had perhaps the best answer: “No, if anything they’re underblown.”

So far, so good. Even a few of the Republicans weren’t completely wrong. Mitt Romney called the risks associated with climate change “real.” John McCain said, “I’ve been to the Arctic and I know it’s real.” Rudy Giuliani added, “There is global warming. Human beings are contributing to it.”

And then there were the other two.

FRED THOMPSON: There are a lot of unanswered questions. We don’t know to the extent this is a cyclical thing. This may or may not effect very much. The extremists are the ones who want to do drastic things to our economy before we have more answers as to how much good we can do and whether people in the other parts of the world are going to contribute. It’s the fact that our entitlements are bankrupting the next generation…. [Entitlements are] a more obvious problem [than global warming].

MIKE HUCKABEE: I don’t know. I mean, the honest answer for me, scientifically, is I don’t know. But here’s one thing I do know, that we ought to not let this become this big political football and point of argument. We all ought to agree that we live on this planet as guests…. I think we ought to be out there talking about ways to reduce energy consumption and waste. And we ought to declare that we will be free of energy consumption in this country within a decade, bold as that is.

Oh my.

First, there’s reality.

Thompson and Huckabee are wrong. The debate is over about whether manmade global warming is a threat. Even members of the Bush White House have admitted so.

Second, there’s Huckabee’s notion that the United States can be “be free of energy consumption in this country within a decade.” I’m pretty sure that’s physically impossible. Kevin Drum tries to figure out what on earth the statement even means.

There are a couple of possibilities, but I suppose the most likely is “free of energy imports,” or perhaps “free of foreign oil.”

This, of course, has the benefit of not being literally impossible, but I wonder if anyone will bother to follow up with him about this? After all, ending foreign oil consumption in the next decade is the next best thing to impossible, and in any case, would require federal action of a staggering size and scope — certainly far more staggering than anything Huckabee has ever given the remotest indication of supporting. Basically, he was just randomly shooting his mouth off without the slightest idea of what he was talking about.

So, again: will anyone press him on this? Or will he get the village idiot treatment that Republicans since Ronald Reagan have so often gotten, where they’re sort of expected to say harebrained stuff and nobody holds it against them? After all, this has nothing to do with Huckabee’s hair, his cleavage, or his middle name, only with the fact that he displays an almost comical, grade-school ignorance of even the bare basics of national energy policy. And who cares about that in a president of the United States?

Third, Couric pressed McCain on why energy company lobbyists have been successful in blocking any serious policy proposals. He neglected to mention that the Republican Party is bought and paid for.

And fourth, what kind of question is, “Do you think the risks of climate change are at all overblown?” By its very wording, the implication is that the risks may very well be overblown, which kind of poisons the well a bit. If I were to ask, “Do you think Rudy Giuliani might be a raving lunatic?” the question suggests the answer. My defense would be, “I didn’t say Giuliani is a raving lunatic; I just asked about the possibility.” I doubt Giuliani would find the defense persuasive, though.

I have a question for Huckleberry: What makes you think Jesus Christ would want to be your vice presidential running mate?

  • You raise an interesting question.

    Which is more likely to be true?

    A) Global warming is a serious threat?

    or

    B) Rudy Giuliani might be a raving lunatic?

    I am only 95%+ certain about global warming so I would have to go with choice B

  • we ought to declare that we will be free of energy consumption in this country within a decade

    Whoo-hoo! Huckabee tries for the all-important “living in a cabin typing my anti-technology manifesto” vote! Perhaps he can get Ted Kaczynski as his running mate now.

    Why does anyone bother trying to parse out his ridiculous statement and make it somehow less ridiculous? That’s HUCKABEE’S job. The next public appearance a reporter should call him on it and ask him – “What in the hell did you mean when you said we should be “free of energy consumption? Do you even know what those words mean?” Drum is giving Huck too much credit.

  • “We don’t know to the extent this is a cyclical thing. This may or may not effect very much. The extremists are the ones who want to do drastic things to our economy before we have more answers as to how much good we can do…”.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with that point of view.

  • The one thing Huck might have going for him on this one is that I don’t think anyone actually watches CBS and Katie Couric these days – well, except for you, Steve, but we know you’re doing it for us…

    What Huckabee doesn’t have going for him is that this inane answer will – like the “what NIE?” response – get picked up and be read and seen all over the blogosphere, and I expect someone will stick a camera in his face and make him talk about it some more. Sadly, the more Huck talks, the worse it usually gets, even if he thinks he’s countering effectively.

    After reading Newsweek’s long cover story on Huckabee, and putting it together with what I’ve already seen and heard, I’ve decided that Huckabee shares a trait with most of the Republican contenders: they don’t care much whether what they say is true or not, whether it accurately describes things they have said and done in the past, or what the record shows, – they give the answer that works, often re-writing history as they go, and when asked about it later, they usually have the audacity to deny the current misstatement along with whatever is on the record from the past.

    It goes like this:

    “No, I didn’t say that”

    [Well, here’s the clip – yes you did]

    “You’ve taken it out of context; that’s not what I meant.”

    [Here’s the whole clip of you denying what you said in 1998, and here’s what you said in 1998.]

    “Those remarks in 1998 were in response to a particular question, and were not meant to be the entirety of my views.”

    No matter what they say, the denial is only moments away. The record doesn’t matter to them. Video doesn’t matter. Bush has perfected that art, and these others have learned from it. Just keep denying you ever said something. Or put the blame on others for not being smart enough to understand what you were saying. Make them have to look at history from the beginning of time in order to understand the full context of the things they denied they ever said.

    Do they really think we haven’t figured it out? They’re like the kid with chocolate all over his face, solemnly telling his mother that he did not eat the cookies she made for her party.

  • Here’s my question:
    Do you think that Mike Huckabee is either a closeted homosexual or a child molester (or both) given that he is both a Republican politician and a fundamentalist minister?
    Given the high incidence of these traits in both groups, I feel that there may be some things about Huckabee that we haven’t heard yet.
    That’s a fair question, don’t you think?

  • Do you think you’ll buy any of the products promoted during our next commercial break? Now that should have been the question, along with a list of the sponsors.

    Once in awhile I’ll surf the TV, and the ads during Couric’s show (not to mention the other news networks) are filled with health aids that work on stomachs, sinuses, hemoroids, and other maladies. Global warming overblown? No, what’s overblown is Americans’ denial of how unhealthy we actually are, while boosting our economy by buying ointments and goos. -Kevo

  • kevo – my husband and I laugh at those ads – the other networks do the same thing. It’s the demographic – apparently the only ones watching the news are old people who wear dentures, can’t control their bladders, can’t get erections, have acid reflux, osteoporosis, high blood pressure and high cholesterol. Sally Field and her Boniva (which really sounds like a drug for erectile dysfunction), and Dr. Robert Jarvick and his Lipitor, get the mute button treatment every time. I still feel sorry for that friend of Sally’s who had to take time out of her busy day to take a pill – oh, the horror!

  • “There is absolutely nothing wrong with that point of view.”

    if you want to pretend to be an ostrich…….

  • You’ll notice that Ron Paul was omitted from “Primary Questions: Character, Leadership & The Candidates,” but Joe Biden was included.

    I wonder when Joe Biden’s blimp is set to launch…

  • Random thoughts:

    The premise that Giuliani is a raving lunatic, or at least is playing one for the campaign season, is quite defensible.

    Here’s all the makings of a perfect storm: climate change is already wreaking havoc on the production of food, and the USA is driving up the price of what crops we can produce by subsidizing the production of fuel from those crops, which production actually increases the the burning of fossil fuels.

    Look at the rate-of-change (and allow for variance due to weather variation) in these trends and get worried…

    Unless, of course, your faith in the competence of our leaders is unshakable.

  • “We don’t know to the extent this is a cyclical thing. This may or may not effect very much. The extremists are the ones who want to do drastic things to our economy before we have more answers as to how much good we can do…”

    Yeah, let’s wait until Fred Thompson and all the morons like JRS Jr are completely satisfied that it’s not a “natural cycle” and that the solutions will totally fix the problem, and let’s not do anything these oil company stooges scientifically illiterate morons would consider “drastic”.

    America has a message for you, morons: STFU and get out of the way. We don’t have time to convince a small group of idiots that the world is round, and we don’t need to. Feel free to whine about how unfair that is. The creationists can tell you their stories about how fun it is to be mocked as dangerous lunatics, maybe you could all get together and have a big ‘ol pity party. And don’t worry, being “persecuted” is a great racket, lots of idiots will send you money if you scream loud enough about how you’re being “censored”. If you’re really clever about it you can create a “think tank” and get the big bucks from the energy companies (who are also very concerned about doing annything “drastic”).

    Fortunately for the planet, since most of the politicians we need to get rid of are actually clue-proof, and now that the problem is very real to about 70% of the public (thanks to Al Gore), those who run on the Polluter Protection Platform will soon go down in flames just like John Howard. They will have to be satisfied with shrieking their stupidity on rightwing hate radio, instead of obstructing progress from inside the halls of Congress.

    So keep up the good work, idiots. Ride that line of BS that all the people you listen to keep spewing. Ride the denial train to political oblivion.

    Good riddance.

  • My point is that I have no doubt global warming is occuring but I do question the full extent of the human race’s impact and if this impact can be reduced without turning the world back into the Dark Ages. (i.e. What are the all out costs of trying to limit carbon emmissions?)

    All I am saying is before any environmental policies are set, can’t we study global ramifications (enviromental vs. ecomomic, social, developemental) of such a policy? Don’t we want to find the most efficient means of limiting carbon emmissions for the long run well being of this planet?

  • To all those who think it is cyclical. The weather on earth changes at a much slower speed than you think. Yes, the earth can get really warm and it can become an ice age but it centuries, not weeks to happen. The last warming period took place 10,000 years ago and lasted about 2000 years.

    What we are seeing here is unprecedented in earth’s history. From a geological time frame, what we humans are doing is the climate equivalent of going from 0 to 60 mph in 1 second. Ice caps don’t lose 25% of their mass in half a century (maybe in half an eon or 500 years.)

    Of course, to accept the oil companies explanation means to deny geologic evidence, but a lot of right wingers do that so well anyway.

  • JRS.
    For the most part your comments are too stupid to bother, but this time I feel it necessary to point out that you are on the same page with what could possibly be the most simple minded man to run for president, ever. Idiots Rule, right ??

    On another note.
    Did anyone catch this last night ? My feeling was that Couric was trying to frame this issue (the obvious), but no one took the bait, sans Already Dead Fred. She looked so pissed and ready top jump over and strangle someone for not saying ‘Yes, Katie it is overblown’.

    Someone please let Couric know that the White House has conceded on Global Warming so we can get past the BigOil framing. It must suck to serve up big meatballs to your party and they don’t even have the common courtesy to hit it out of the park.

    Racerx.
    Al Gore really needs to take a bow on this one. I can not think of another major issue that has gone from ‘ya, right’ to ‘hell yes’ in such a short time. The globe owes him a huge thank you.

  • Here’s the way I kind of look at this…

    When I was in my teens and 20’s, I could pretty much eat what I wanted, stay up too late and bounce out of bed the next day, not exercise a whole lot and to all appearances, I was in good shape.

    In my 30’s, I had a couple of kids, my metabolism started to change, my sleeping patterns went all to hell and no longer could I eat what I wanted and not gain weight. What I had to do to get things back in line was not all that daunting.

    The 40’s were kind of a holding-my-own stage, but my early 50’s – where I am now – have seen more changes, and now it’s real work to keep on top of this aging process and all that can come with it.

    My point is that waiting until the consequences of not paying attention to my health can no longer be ignored could mostly have been avoided had I devised a real health plan and stuck to it starting in my 20’s. Watching my diet and exercising more and all that good stuff were never going to hurt me, and in the long run, would only have helped me. Yes, it might have cost me more money at the grocery store or at the gym, but the cost-benefit ratio would have come down in favor of benefit, not cost.

    What is the harm in instituting policies that will not damage the planet, or will minimize that damage? I keep hearing that regulations designed to limit environmental damage will so strangle business and industry that it will be an economic disaster, but what are the costs in health and quality of life if such policies and regulations are not instituted?

    How healthy can the economy be if the people and the planet are too sick to participate in it?

  • JRS, Jr,

    “All I am saying is before any environmental policies are set, can’t we study global ramifications (enviromental [sic] vs. ecomomic [sic], social, developemental [sic]) of such a policy?”

    Do you mean aside from all the studies that have already been done up to this point? Or do you mean we should wait until the oil companies give us their impartial scientific study of the ramifications?

    And of course you question whether human activity has any effect. Denying our role in the alarming climate changes taking place [Google it, but watch for links sponsored by Exxon] allows individuals like you to avoid looking at your own impact on the environment. So I have to ask: do you drive an Escalade or a Hummer?

    So, should people be allowed to smoke in hospital nurseries? Infant mortality is cyclical in that it goes up and down a little each year. Therefore, smoke has nothing to do with it. Should we be allowed to throw trash onto the roadside? Trash is cyclical since there are convicts to pick it up for us. Should children be encouraged to eat nothing but cheeseburgers and candy? Fat kids are cyclical in that they are, you know, round and stuff.

    I mean really, man.

  • Never mind the other candidates: Dodd, Kucinich, Gravel, Paul, Hunter, Tancredo. While the remaining four are notjobs, it’s still CBS’ responsibility to cover the other major candidates. Don’t relegate them to the website. That lacks common courtesy not only to their campaigns but also to those who don’t have Internet access. Besides, if they didn’t have enough time, why not cut down their responses?

    Bad decision on CBS’s part.

  • So I have to ask: do you drive an Escalade or a Hummer?

    Neither, actually each day drive a 5 cylinder SUV 4 miles (r/t) in order to commute to work 38 miles (each way)on an electric train and then walk the rest. I don’t have a private jet that I zip around the world in either.

    What I mean is to aks questions like: If we were to ban coal fired plants worldwide to reduce the carbon footprint, how would that impact the human race’s cost to have access to electricity, which itself has a huge benefit to emerging nations? If we were to invest trillions of dollars to reduce the carbon footprint, what would be the result and could that money be better spent by fighting diseases instead? The would’s wallet is only so thick — so I want to make sure we are using it most appropriately and get the best return for the human race.

  • JRS,

    In the 40s, a liberal decided we needed to beat the Nazis. Nearly every industry [and citizen for that matter] retooled and reinvented and rose to the task, whipping the Nazis, ending the Depression, and creating a destructive force able to obliterate mankind.

    In the 60s, a liberal decided we needed to go to the moon within nine years. The US threw a whole bunch of money and brains at the challenge and in the process ignited a number of very profitable industries.

    If all coal fired plants in the world suddenly had to reduce or capture their carbon, how would they do it? By creating new technologies, industries, markets and opportunities. And making new money.

    In 1990, my industry [advertising] went from paper and knives to computers and digital printing. People making and selling the digital stuff made a killing. Designers willing to make the changeover continue to work profitably. The rest work at WalMart.

    We’ve always been able to count on technology to create problems and solve them. Either way, it’s a money-maker. All that needs to happen is that global warming needs to be recognized as a serious problem. Until folks stop seeing it as “cyclical,” we’re wasting valuable [and profitable] time.

    Instead of using the “trillions” of dollars we’re using to “fight diseases,” why not use some of the bajillions we’re wasting in Iraq. [WARNING: DO NOT HIRE HALIBURTON TO SOLVE GLOBAL WARMING!]

  • ***And we ought to declare that we will be free of energy consumption in this country within a decade, bold as that is.***

    That Huckster—what a comedian. Now he’s spouting that we’ll all be dead and gone within a decade?

    Earth the Huck—LIFE REQUIRES ENERGY! To become “free of energy consumption,” one must first die, and even then, the decomposition process of the human corpse requires a modicum of energy consumption for about five years or so—which would mean we all have to die in five years to fulfill that 10-year expectation.

    Clearly, the man’s been quaffing vast quantities of Pat Robertson’s “super-duper-shake-mix”—and reading far too much into those “world’s-end-in-2012” rubbish.

  • Steve,

    I think Huckleberry was predicting that the Rapture would come in a decade.

    Hey, no need to plan for the future when it’s all going to end, right?

  • No doubt that global warming is very debated. I, however, have never heard that man is causing global cooling. For this – all I can say is that I hope that the people that believe this is natural are not wrong. But if man is causing at least part of the problem then why not do all we can. One thing not in dispute is that we cannot continue to use non-renewable sources on energy forever.
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  • Huckabee may have stumbled on this question, but he along with McCain are the only two GOP candidates who are calling for a domestic cap on carbon emissions and a raise in CAFE standards.

    Romney and Giuliani still believe that the market alone and tax incentives for domestic sources of energy will solve the climate change problem.

  • It may be fun to tease the anti-Darwinist Mike Huckabee as a scientific rube, but in this case those criticisms are off the mark. At Tyndall Report, we note Huckabee is taking a hit based on a misquote. Huckabee said “oil-free of energy consumption” and was clearly referring to independence from reliance on energy imports–a thoroughly mainstream Republican position–as can be seen from his clarification in the next sentence on the videostream. Here is Tyndall Report’s analysis of Katie Couric’s Primary Questions feature on global warming.

    It looks like a single misquote on a Sierra Club blog is the origin for all this confusion and needless ridicule. It has now led to Huckabee being mocked at blogs on The Atlantic, Washington Monthly, Talking Points Memo, Reason and here at The Carpetbagger Report.

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