Changing the nature of the foreign policy fight

Political parties and leaders sometimes need to be reminded not to believe their own press releases. It’s one thing to spin and exaggerate; it’s another to actually buy into your own exaggerated spin.

For example, Republicans in general, and Bush and McCain in specific, tend to seriously believe their strong suit is foreign policy and national security. It’s never been altogether clear how and why they came to see their weakness as their strength, but they’ve nevertheless concluded, with absolute certainty, that they own these issues, and can beat Democrats down just by bringing the issues up.

Michael Tomasky makes a compelling case today that the rules are starting to change, and last week’s dust-up over “appeasement,” Iran, and the Nazis was an encouraging sign of what’s to come. Tomasky noted Bush’s attack, McCain’s endorsement of the attack, and the Obama campaign accusing Bush and McCain of launching “a false political attack.” And then it got interesting:

Now here’s the important part. In the past two presidential campaigns, that’s where this would have ended. The Democrat “responded” for the record, but somewhat perfunctorily, while the Republicans got their point across: the Democrats are appeasers, the Democratic nominee wants to talk to terrorists and he won’t keep the country safe.

Game, set, match. This is how Bush built margins of trust with voters over Al Gore and John Kerry on national-security questions. Invoke appeasement of Hitler, toss in Israel’s safety: this is exactly the kind of thing that sent Gore and Kerry running for the hills. Even Bill Clinton, who knew better how to return a punch, would have tried to change the subject back to the economy.

But the current version of the story ends differently. Last Friday, in South Dakota, Obama gave an extended and aggressive press conference in which he hit back hard. Bush and McCain, he told Americans, “are trying to fool you. They’re trying to scare you. And they’re not telling you the truth.” He ticked off the lies that were told about Iraq and the benefits that would redound from making war there, noting that not one of the promises had come to pass.

How does this “change the rules”? It’s not just that Obama stood his ground — though that’s part of it — it’s also that Obama fought back on foreign policy and national security without trying to get hawkish on the subject.

Tomasky added:

After the Kerry loss of 2004, Democrats began to vow: we understand what happened. We’re not going to let ourselves get outboxed and intimidated next time around, especially on national security. There was every reason in the world to think this was an empty promise. If Hillary Clinton were the nominee, it wouldn’t be exactly empty, because the Clinton camp does know how to return fire. But it would be a dissatisfying thing for most Democrats to watch, because Clinton’s returns of serve would consist of hawkish statements designed to prove that she could be just as tough as the Republicans (witness her recent promise to “obliterate” Iran).

Obama is doing something altogether different. He is standing for an alternative vision of how America should operate in the world, and he is defending it tooth and nail. I’m not sold on the idea that negotiations without preconditions with hostile powers are the world’s best strategy. If the US had some leverage over Iran that might be one thing, but, in our current state, we have little. Still, this is one of those cases where the symbolic message of what Obama did last Friday is more important, for now, than the substance. He said: These people have screwed up foreign policy and security. I have a different way of doing things. And I’m not ceding an inch.

Indeed, I don’t watch and/or hear every Obama stump speech, but checking in on campaign coverage over the weekend, I got the sense that Obama wants to fight with Bush and McCain over foreign policy. This isn’t obligatory on his part, it’s a deliberate attempt to engage the Republican Party on its perceived strength.

Yglesias added:

[W]hile it may not be true that 99 percent of life is just showing up, Obama’s been showing us that showing up is a lot of it. There’s nothing really shockingly novel about what he’s been saying, it’s just that as someone who’s genuinely untainted by the failures of the past seven years he stands up and labels attacks on him continuities with the failures of the past seven years.

It’s not that clever, but it doesn’t need to be any more clever than that. George Bush has already handed the other side a huge dump of ammunition. And now there’s a candidate who’s ready to pick it up off the floor and shoot back. Shoot back, I might add, on point without shifting targets to the economy or veterans’ benefits or whatever else.

I genuinely believe Bush and McCain didn’t expect this. As far as they were concerned, Bush would take his cheap shot at the Knesset, and McCain would play the role of the president’s cheerleader. Obama would either try to change the subject or get into an extended discussion of why he’s not an “appeaser.” Either way, the GOP wins.

Except, that’s not what happened at all. Obama fought back, not just by rejecting the Bush/McCain rhetoric, but also by going directly after their foreign policy failures and the misguided worldview that makes our enemies stronger while undermining our national security interests.

McCain might want to check his receipt — I don’t think he “owns” his signature issues as clearly as he thought.

It’s definitely a key moment. For the first time in a long time, we have a nominee that’s actually proud to be a member of the Democratic Party, instead of trying to out-GOP the GOP.

More importantly, Obama also is demonstrating that he’s not going to let the GOP define him, the debate, or what he says.

  • Obama is utterly brilliant in both thought and speaking style. Methinks that he has been planning these comebacks to the Bush gangsters lies and smears for many months.

    O/T: Believe it or Not. How Nancy Pelosi may yet become the first woman President: Republican Congressmen and Republican Senators are getting into a full-scale panic mode about the coming Obama/Democratic landslide in the November Election. However, the GOP can still make amends with the American people by Impeaching, Trying, Convicting and Removing from Office VP Cheney and P Bush. The Democrats will surely not stand in the way of a GOP revolt against Cheney and Bush, and thus Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi would become the first woman President of the United States, if only for a few months… Believe it or Not.

  • What topic does that leave McCain with? He doesn’t know anything about the economy, his healthcare plan is awful, and he’s losing his faculties.

  • This is why McCain was so mad about it. Imagine the temerity of Obama to go off-script. How dare he?

  • Thank good we have a candidate that will tell it like it is – they are lying liars and the public needs to judge them by their record of achievement (or more accurately lack-thereof).

    America needs a President that will acknowledge dur chimpfurher’s lies and speak directly to the way this criminal cabal has undermined this country.

  • My state primary is tomorrow and I have been debating on who to vote for (I’m a democrat, so I have two choices).

    This counterpunch by Obama may have swayed my decision. I think the point Mathew made really hammers the nail on the head: Obama didn’t try to out GOP the GOP, he instead simply called them out for what they are, frauds and failures. It’s really that simple.

    I can’t imagine where this country would be if Gore, or Kerry for that matter, had done what Obama did, simply call these people out for what they are, liars. They may have even garnered enough votes to overcome the Diebold machines.

  • However, the GOP can still make amends with the American people by Impeaching, Trying, Convicting and Removing from Office VP Cheney and P Bush.

    I’m sorry, but there’s really no point to these sorts of silly pipe dreams. Even if there were the slightest possibility of something like this happening (and there isn’t), it is way too late for the GOP to throw Bush/Cheney under the bus. And I doubt Pelosi wants to throw away her speakership to be a caretaker president as the economy collapses.

  • Methinks that he has been planning these comebacks to the Bush gangsters lies and smears for many months.

    Yep. And the nice thing about ReThugs is you know what they’re going to say before they say it. The amazing thing is, it took a junior senator to figure this out. Even if he doesn’t get elected the verbal spanking he has and will continue to visit on the GOP will be exactly what they deserve.

  • It was a thing of beauty to behold. All democratic leaders, Barack, Hillary, Joe Biden, Edwards, Reid and Pelosi came together and put Bush/McCain in their place. They called bullshit and it stuck and then the republicans backed down and tried to say they were really going after Jimmy Carter. My god the republicans looked weak. They were going after Jimmy Carter???!!! Why would they go after the guy that arranged the Camp David accords during a presidential elections??? From the Knesset??? How transparent and how pathetic. I am surprised he didn’t demand that they make his tax cuts permanent and cry about how marriage is going to be ruined cuz of activist judges. Oh please dear God, let the republicans keep doing exactly what they are doing now…rehashing their same arguements that any reasonable person sees through, better late than never. It is a good year to be a democrat.

  • Isn’t foreign policy exactly where Clinton went wrong? She tried to out-tough McCain, and by doing that she tacitly agreed to the Republican point that the US needs a tough leader.
    Obama, now, Obama’s trying to change the nature of the conversation. And that’s what’s needed most.

  • I think Obama must have been reading his liberal blogs. They’ve been screaming for years that the chief Democratic “appeasement” has been occurring at home and consisted of the Dems caving in to the Republicans on everything. One does not need to outhawk the hawks to be “strong”, one needs to simply look them in the face and stand one’s ground. Which is what Obama is doing. Good for him.

    The electorate isn’t stupid. They realized (intellectually or no) that a candidate who cannot face down the GOP would not be able, as President, to face down the nation’s foreign opponents. Obama is the first candidate we’ve seen in years who is showing that he has the brass balls to be a damn good President. Not bravado, not machismo, but the real thing.

  • I think any thought that Obama wouldn’t or couldn’t be a fighter when facing the Republicans in the general election just flew out the window. He hit back hard in a substantial way. It wasn’t nasty, bare-knuckle brawling. I think that would have been the clinton approach. The Republican’s responce reeked of desperation.

    The Republicans see foreign policy as their strong suit because they’re bullies and they have no real concept of diplomacy. They bully the american electorate and they bully foreign states. They view the world through a surly beligerent lens. But when a bully can’t back up the bluster they’re in trouble. McCain is trying the bluster, but he just seems kind of weak and clueless.

  • Obama is trying to broaden the current operational definition of “toughness” in foreign policy, in large part by raising the point that he isn’t proposing anything that Kennedy and Reagan didn’t do. Diplomacy isn’t a sign of weakness; it’s a sign of strength. And a willingness to talk doesn’t signal an unwillingness to fight.

    One of the things that bothers me most about the intersection of foreign policy and media culture is that saber-rattling is always hailed as the best approach. The Bushies were the most inclined in this direction, obviously, but the Clintons too never met a small war they wouldn’t fight. If Sen. Clinton had won the nomination and the election, I’m certain she would have shown her characteristic lack of political courage and imagination and played right into this paradigm; after all, it’s not like Chelsea’s ass would be on the front lines.

    Obama, happily, is instead taking on the paradigm–and I think he’ll be successful in doing so.

  • About f&*king time. Bush’s Republican/neocon Middle East policy has been a total disaster for our country. It’s about time everyone just called him on the whole mess.

  • Sarge@3: What topic does that leave McCain with? He doesn’t know anything about the economy, his healthcare plan is awful, and he’s losing his faculties.

    Ummm…the topic about McCain being a diseased warmongering leech with no IQ?

    This is going to be a “perfect storm’ type of election year. McPhony and his RNC puppetmasters are going to roll out the same “stay-the-course” garbage that America got from two terms of the Bushylvanians, and they’re going to wave it around in Americ’s face like a knife.

    Obama will repeatedly take that knife away from them, stick it into McPhony like you stick a pin into a voodoo doll—and then he’s going to twist that knife back and forth like a screwdriver.

    I almost feel sorry for the so-called “war hero”—NOT….

  • stop calling McCain a war hero…. He was NOT a war hero… The fact that you serve, as you’re supposed to, got shot down – because of your own stupidity – does not make a hero.

    The majority of his medals were ‘standard procedure’ for all POW’s… sure it’s bad that he had to endure what he did, but those medals don’t make him a hero either.

  • Obama isn’t just changing the nature of the foreign policy debate, he’s attempting to change the nature of political discourse but using foreign policy as the mean to get there. He’s challenging the tactics that Republicans have used to thrust their twisted ideologies upon the public — much of which has gone unchallenged for so long that some accept it as conventional wisdom. He’s saying there’s nothing conventional or wise about it, and that we shouldn’t fall for it anymore.

  • What the f**k is wrong with you people? Don’t you know that the last thing that the American public wants is an intelligent, thoughtful president!

    Fortunately, we can continue to expect the Corporate News Media to reassure the public that Repugnicans are strong on foreign policy & Dems are weak.

    Fortunately, we can continue to expect the talking heads to reassure us that McCain is strong on foreign policy and Obama is weak.

    Fortunately, we can count on the Maureen Dowd types to tell us that Obama is effeminate and weak and that McCain is brave and manly.

    If Obama is to get elected this fall, he will have to overcome the Corporate News Media regurgitating the Rethugnican ‘definitions’ of Obama and McCrap. And that is a big mountain to climb.

    For the sake of our country, I hope that he can…

  • It reminds me of the Social Security fight in 2004-2005. Bush expected capitulation, not Dems standing together and fighting. He was flummoxed, and began his long slide to 27% at that point. No one seems to have learned a great deal from that, however. Good for Obama to take it right back at them.

  • Funny how having a candidate who didn’t help cause the worst strategic fuckup in US history changes things. If Hillary was our nominee we would still be SOL, just like in 2004 with Kerry.

  • “Last Friday, in South Dakota, Obama gave an extended and aggressive press conference”

    yeah, but if the public never sees it, did it really happen?

  • He was NOT a war hero

    I’ve been thinking this for a while now. I guess surviving under those circumstances is considered heroic to many people (and all the media, apparently). Of course, — our favorite game — if he was a democrat, the republicans would warn ominously that he might have been brainwashed…

  • I sure hope Obama can keep it up. He is such a breath of fresh air rhetorically, and at least gives the impression there is an opposition party in the DSA (Disunited States of America). I’m surprised the DLC isn’t saying something like, “he didn’t really mean it”, while they wet their collective pants. For a change let the Rethugs change the subject and run for cover in response to his attacks and responses. They’ve had it coming for so long. I (the perennial cynic) even see a glimmer of hope.

    However, I fear for the man’s safety.

  • The Roveian version is “run against their strengths,” but I like Jack Aubry’s favorite Lord Nelson quote better: “Never mind maneuvers, go straight at ’em!”*

    The DLC approach is all maneuvers and precious few results. I’ll take Nelson any day.

    *Hoping there are some other Patrick O’Brian fans out there.

  • I’m sure that Bush didn’t expect the push-back, but I suspect more than that he expected that Hillary Clinton would use the opportunity to attack Obama as well. This would have divided the party on McCain’s issue.

    The fact that Hillary didn’t join in says very much to me, it could represent her single most courageous moment in this campaign.

    The best evidence is the backtracking by Bush. His new formulation is that he meant that we shouldn’t talk to Al Qaeda, Hamas or other terrorist organizations, or let Iran obtain a nuclear weapon (apparently okay to talk to them now). Meanwhile McCain is still on the don’t talk to Iran talking point, which he is trying to dial back to ‘direct president to president talks’ with no preconditions.

    The fact that he is now using the term preconditions (instead of ‘unconditional’) is also significant. Eventually Obama will explain the meaning of this term, as soon as everyone is ready to listen.

    This is his typical method of operation: let everyone yak away until the pretzel is ready to bake, then step in and chop it up.

    But the best formulation came today when he used the easy to understand language, a challenge: What are they afraid of?

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