Cheney: Bush ‘carries the biggest burden’ in Iraq

ABC News aired an interesting interview with Dick Cheney last night — it was a pleasant surprise to see the VP willing to chat with a network other than Fox News — that covered quite a bit of ground relating to Iraq.

“The president carries the biggest burden, obviously,” Cheney said. “He’s the one who has to make the decision to commit young Americans, but we are fortunate to have a group of men and women, the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm’s way for the rest of us.”

Raddatz noted that some soldiers, Air Force members, and Marines have been on multiple deployments and have been sent back to Iraq because of the stop-loss policy — an involuntary extension of a service member’s enlistment contract. The Army alone says 58,000 US soldiers have been redeployed to war because of the stop-loss policy.

“When you talk about an all-volunteer force, some of these soldiers, airmen, Marines have been on two, three, four, some of them more than that, deployments,” Raddatz said. “Do you think when they volunteered they had any idea that there would be so many deployments or stop-loss? Some of those who want to get out can’t because of stop-loss?”

“A lot of men and women sign up because sometimes they will see developments,” Cheney said. “For example, 9/11 stimulated a lot of folks to volunteer for the military because they wanted to be involved in defending the country.”

There are quite a few oddities here. First, the notion that Bush “carries the biggest burden” is part of a series of arguments about how the poor president deserves sympathy for sending U.S. troops into Iraq. Last year, for example, Laura Bush said “no one suffers more” than the president when it comes to the war. Shortly thereafter, Cheney, in response to a question about troop casualties, said, “Obviously, the President bears the major part of the burden.”

Does the Bush gang really think we should pity the president, who arguably couldn’t have handled this war any worse if he tried, because his conscience is weighing on him? Maybe some would consider sympathy if they thought he needed it — Bush told a reporter not too long ago, “I must tell you, I’m sleeping a lot better than people would assume.”

For the guy carrying the “biggest burden,” the president seems surprisingly unperturbed.

As for Cheney’s thoughts on our all-volunteer force, the VP’s right, a lot of Americans signed up to wear the uniform as a result of 9/11. But I imagine they did so because they trusted that the nation had leaders who would use the military responsibly and make judicious decisions on the use of force. The troops have held up their part of the bargain; have Bush and Cheney?

There was also this exchange:

When asked about the toll multiple deployments have taken on U.S. military members, Cheney fired back with a question.

“Of course it is, Martha,” Cheney said. “So what would be the solution to that? I mean how would you deal with that?”

From Cheney’s perspective, you don’t deal with that at all. Withdrawal is out of the question, a draw-down is off the table, and the Webb Amendment about giving troops more down time after their deployments has been rejected by Republicans on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. So, to hear the VP tell it, there is no “solution” — the administration’s policy of multiple deployments will continue to take its toll on servicemen, servicewomen, and their families.

If they don’t like it, tough. They shouldn’t have volunteered to serve in the military in Bush’s America.

Remind me which side of the political divide is supposed to be more enthusiastically “pro-military”?

Fascinating comment from yesterday’s story about 4000 dead:

17. On March 25th, 2008 at 3:15 am, Wolf said:
Its interesting for an outsider to see, that only these 4000 soldiers are being mourned.
Does anybody ask HOW MANY THOUSAND INNOCENT CIVILIANS these 4000 soldiers have killed – and that in a foreign sovereign country that has not attacked the USA in any way?
And – who has forced these 4000 (and the rest) to become soldiers and kill other human beings?
What makes American lives more valuable than other lives?

It’s a good point. When I was in Europe, I heard someone say, “the French think they’re a special breed; the Americans-a separate species.”

  • Anybody see Bill Moyer’s Journal this past week? He showed extended clips from a documentary called “Body of War”, about a soldier who suffered a spinal injury in Iraq and now is paralyzed from the nipples down. Besides not being able to move, he has no control of several of his body functions, like temperature regulation and urination. Despite this, he’s become an antiwar activist with the help of his mother and wife.

    Before Dick Cheney opens his mouth again about who’s bearing the burden of this war, he needs to watch this young man being cathetered by his mother, or he needs to watch the mothers of children who aren’t coming back caress his face as a substitute for the son they can’t caress anymore.

    I don’t think there’s a hell, but when I think of Dick Cheney, I hope I’m wrong.

  • Sleeps like baby, smirks all the time – even when talking about serious matters, jokes, dances like a fool: the man is a sociopath who has no conscience and feels no remorse. In other circumstances we would label him as someone to keep your kids away from.

    Yet few, to this day, challenge him and even more lie and cover up for him.

    Do we honestly expect this election cycle to matter?

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    We are so screwed.

  • if they’re truly an all-volunteer force .. then why can’t they get out when their enlistments are up .. that doesn’t sound like voluntary service to me .. it sounds like forced service ..

    stop-loss shouldn’t be legal with the advent of the all volunteer force .. when your time is up .. if you want out .. you get out .. it’s not voluntary service if they’re forced to remain after their contract has expired ..

    i’m sure cheney’s response would be “So??”

    these bastards simply have no shame ..and no credibility ..and no integrity either . imo

    they’re the most un-american amercians i’ve ever encountered ..they hold opinions totally opposed to he idea and the ideals of a democratic republic…

    all hail the king ..and his jester ..

  • The Bush-Cheney-McCain vision for Iraq means our “volunteer” soldiers will keep being used until they’re used up. How much is enough? Six tours of combat duty? Eight?

    Thirty years from now if things don’t change, any soldiers who still have all (or most) of their limbs will be pushing their walkers down the streets of Baghdad, serving their tenth deployment — this one 36 months long.

    Don’t you think our soldiers who are being conscripted by stop-loss have “other priorities”, too?

  • lets bring back the draft to support this war ..and every politician’s and executive branch officer’s sons and daughters of eligible age will be the first ones called
    up and put on fast track training .. then the war would be over before they could be deployed ..

    and yes i do believe if it were their sons and daughters at risk they’d view this dirty little war in a different light ..

    as it stands right now they’re fighting it with other people’s children and our grandkid’s money .. why stop it when it isn’t costing them a single thing …

  • This reminds me of the early days of the war, when the administration had the gall to ask our soldiers in Iraq to pray … for George W. Bush

    US soldiers in Iraq asked to pray for Bush

    They may be the ones facing danger on the battlefield, but US soldiers in Iraq are being asked to pray for President George W Bush.

    Thousands of marines have been given a pamphlet called “A Christian’s Duty,” a mini prayer book which includes a tear-out section to be mailed to the White House pledging the soldier who sends it in has been praying for Bush.

    “I have committed to pray for you, your family, your staff and our troops during this time of uncertainty and tumult. May God’s peace be your guide,” says the pledge, according to a journalist embedded with coalition forces.

    The pamphlet, produced by a group called In Touch Ministries, offers a daily prayer to be made for the US president, a born-again Christian who likes to invoke his God in speeches.

    Sunday’s is “Pray that the President and his advisers will seek God and his wisdom daily and not rely on their own understanding”.

    Monday’s reads “Pray that the President and his advisers will be strong and courageous to do what is right regardless of critics”.

    http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/001143.php

    David Cross had a brilliant bit about this story, with a wounded soldier, praying: “Please Lord … give George W. Bush the strength to … finish his lobster salad.”

  • Jkat said:
    as it stands right now they’re fighting it with other people’s children and our grandkid’s money .. why stop it when it isn’t costing them a single thing …

    So if our political leaders don’t feel a sense of urgency, why would anyone believe the Iraqi leaders will?

  • I want to disagree with the notion that ABC is “other than Fox News” – it is the network that chose to run the vile rewriting of history called “The Road to 9/11.” It employs Brian Ross, who most recently hustled to be first to tie “the blue dress” to the release of Ms. Clinton’s First Lady calendar. He also worked ceaselessly to get the ‘swiftboat’ clips collected from Rev. Wright’s sermons into the public consciousness. He is considered a hero among the right wing for that latter effort.

    If there is a difference between ABC and Fox News, it is one of degree, not of kind. And Fox News might actually be seen as more honest in making its bias visible. ABC’s actions will provide the greatest evidence for the need to break up the international corporate monopoly of entertainment and news media, when we the people are finally in a position to demand it.

  • I suggest that Cheney isn’t so much trying to get us to feel sympathy for President* Bush, but to convince us that Mr. Bush is actually in charge.

  • I agree with bringing back the draft but let’s start by going after every Texas frat boy who would be looking to escape active duty like our great president did and send them over to Iraq with minimal training as our National Guard recieved. Of course GW did not pay attention to the part of the Constitution which states the National Guard are to be used in war efforts only to the extent that the regular services can get their drafted individuals through basic training and then are to be returned to the mainland where they belong.

  • If there is a difference between ABC and Fox News, it is one of degree, not of kind.

    Agreed. There’s a reason Brit Hume was able to feel at home there for 23 years.

  • jhm at 11 is right on the money here. Cheney’s just trying to foist the blame for his immoral and illegal war off on his sock puppet, in the hope of avoiding the war crimes trial he so richly deserves.

  • “… the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm’s way for the rest of us”

    I get so sick of hearing everybody in the MSM (i.e., TeeVee) refer to our troops as having volunteered. Any time there’ a set back, a new multiple-death explosion, pictures of unpleasantness, someone says “well, they knew what they were doing when they volunteered”.

    No, they didn’t. Nobody knows till they get there. And many of them didn’t volunteer. Or, rather, they volunteered for the National Guard. Everyone who did that knew there was a miniscule possibility that they might be called to serve overseas, but most of them were in the Guard in order carry on normal civilian life (family, jobs) while serving their country, most likely in natural disasters (Katrina) or public unrest (Kent State, Berkeley … have there been more recent examples?).

    Once again the Bush Crime Family lies and the TeeVee doesn’t even question, let alone criticize. It’s disgusting. “for the rest us”? Please. It’s all for the Emperor, whose missing clothes are known only to a few very valuable blogs.

    Which brings up a point. Old-time newspapers tended to be read by a wide variety of people since, except in Boston, only a few served everybody in a metropolis. In that way, the liberal ideas expressed in left-leaning newspapers got filtered out to center- and right-wingers, and vice versa. When you read a paper with which you disagreed, at least you knew what they were saying. Do any blogs work that way anymore? Seems a shame to waste our gems on ourselves or, as it used to be called, “preaching to the choir”.

    Maybe if Steven Benen featured, over in the ad panel, lurid photos of immature men cheating on their wives or buggering altar boys, we could draw some Republicans in here for a dose of uplifting political reality.

  • Despite our being over 6 years into our War on Terra, there still seems to be a bit of confusion about what stop-loss is. It is NOT forcing people to serve after their enlistment contract has expired. Every initial enlistment contract is for 8 years. Part of this is active-duty and part reserve (usually 4 of each). When a stop-lossed Soldier says his contract is up, what’s actually going on is that his active-duty service obligation is up. However, the Army (or Navy or Air Force) still has him for another 4 years of Reserve duty. So all stop-loss is is calling the Soldier onto Active duty from Reserve duty before he has the chance to actually leave the Army. It isn’t a violation of their contract.
    This policy makes complete sense and has nothing to do with the Bush Administration, other than that it wouldn’t be necessary if we weren’t in a war. The purpose of stop-loss is to keep a military unit together through their deployment. Since we’re in the middle of March Madness, I’ll use a basketball analogy. Imagine you’ve got a 12-man basketball team. You train up for months and do well enough for your team to make it to the NCAA tournament. Then, just before your first game, 4 of your players decide they don’t want to play anymore. Sure, you can go grab 4 freshman to take their place, but the odds are pretty good that your team is going to lose big. When we take this analogy back to the Army, losing big means Soldiers being killed unnecessarily. So we keep the Soldiers on Active Duty until we get home. It’s that simple.
    As for the draft, I appreciate the idea, but no thanks.

  • I personally think the soldiers and their families carry more of a burden than Bush who’s care is shallow at best and seems to feel no remorse about anything. Soldiers do the fighting and dying while their families worry and cry.

    Cheney should just shut up. Every time he opens his mouth he manages to spout some crap.

  • Danp (#1): “What makes American lives more valuable than other lives?”

    Most Americans are unaware that there even are any non-American lives (or countries, or histories or writers). Non-American places don’t exist for most Americans (who can’t even find their own country on a globe) except as TeeVee-portrayed places from which evil people threaten us which is why we gotta fight ’em over there and so on. For most Americans Hell is more real than other countries.

  • Maybe it would be good to review some of the statements that Cheney made about how Clinton had “hollowed out” our military.

    Unfortunately there’s a lot of Americans out there who will never question Cheney and his ilk. The lemmings will follow their leaders off the cliff, no matter how many times they prove themselves to be liars, killers, and war criminals.

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  • Bush, burdens? Bush carries no burdens. It’s part of his psychological makeup. He’s sleeps better at night than I do.

  • To suggest that Bush should get some kind of credit for bearing the burden of a wartime presidency is akin to the argument that the man who has killed his parents should get leniency because he is an orphan.

  • Poor, poor George W.Bush. How he suffers for our cuntry. Let’s all empty ourpiggy banks so he can recover….

    Oh yeah, I forgot, we already have emptied our piggy banks, just to finance tax breaks for the Bush Family and their friends.

    Well, maybe we can borrow the money so it can go the the Bush Family.

    Oh yeah. We already are borrowing money for the Friends of Bush to receive sweetheart deals from the government.

    Sorry.

    How about a Medal of Freedom for President Bush. It’s about all we have left and he’s about the only one in his administration he hasn’t awarded a medal for stellar performance yet.

  • …every politician’s and executive branch officer’s sons and daughters of eligible age will be the first ones called

    Senator Clinton lost my vote and any remaining respect I had for her the day she voted for the war. But had she escorted the darling Miss Chelsea down to the local recruitment office the same day, dressed her in desert camo, she may have won it back.

    HRC is forever stained with the blood of American sons and daughters.

  • Wait a minute, let me get this straight. Chief Puppeteer Cheney says we should all feel sympathy for Bush? Why is that, because Bush is too old to go to Iraq and play soldier in the sand himself?

    Oh that’s right, Bush missed out on the manly, “romantic” adventure of ground combat when he was younger. (See, he was otherwise serving his country as a brave fighter pilot.) The only chance he’s had to be a macho military man since those halcyon days was that time in 2003, when he strapped himself and his package into a tight flight suit and proclaimed “Mission Accomplished”.

    Cheney’s right. Nothing is sadder than a chickenshit chickenhawk who doesn’t get to play with the big guys.

  • I’m in agreement with Stephen1947. First came the Brian Ross blue dress “report”, such a hot news item. Then watching Stephanopolous on Sunday with Hagel and his repeated dog like panting, “surge success, surge success!!!” ABC is Faux II. At least Hagel maintained composure and asked how 900 dead Americans was a success, still Stephanopolous continues unabatedly repeating his two word mantra.

  • “Of course it is, Martha,” Cheney said. “So what would be the solution to that? I mean how would you deal with that?”

    With the draft you dodged, you lying goddamned coward.

  • “The president carries the biggest burden, obviously,” sounds a bit like the dark lord is saying, “It’s mostly his fault. I can’t be held responsible for the president’s actions.”

  • I think this is one of those areas where someone as slippery as Cheney needs to be tackled head on. Whatever definition he has of “burden” or “responsibility” is unlikely to be one the rest of us would recognise. Responsibility means accountability; a real burden cannot simply be dealt with by saying “history will be my judge”.

    Cheney’s comments made me sufficiently angry to want to calm down and start publishing. My first posting at my new blog can be found at TheGovernmentWeDeserve.com. Comments and encouragement much appreciated!

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