Cheney’s Deeply Pathological Speech to the Federalist Society

Guest Post by Anonymous Liberal

At an event sponsored by the Federalist Society on Thursday, Vice President Cheney said the following to a room full of lawyers and law students:

We’re confident because the Terrorist Surveillance Program rests on firm legal ground. The Joint Authorization to Use Military Force, passed by Congress after 9/11, provides more than enough latitude for these activities. Therefore the warrant requirements of the FISA law do not apply to this wartime measure. And the program falls squarely within the constitutional powers of the President. Every appellate court to rule on this issue has recognized inherent presidential authority to conduct warrantless surveillance to counter threats directed at the country from abroad.

It’s hard to understate just how wrong Cheney is as a matter of law and how deeply delusional he should sound to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the legal issues involved here. But then again, this is the Federalist Society, so naturally his speech was interrupted repeatedly by applause.

Though I wrote most of this post last night, I see this morning that Glenn Greenwald has picked Cheney’s speech apart line by line. As is so often the case, particularly with respect to this issue, Glenn’s post is right on the money and well worth reading in its entirety.

Rather than be repetitive, let me just add that if Cheney truly is confident that the “Terrorist Surveillance Program” rests on “firm legal ground,” then he is utterly detached from reality and entirely insulated from the people actually running things in the West Wing. After all, there’s a reason the White House has been trying so hard, post Hamdan, to secure legislation legalizing the TSP. There’s a reason why, after Hamdan, they were suddenly interested in working with Arlen Specter where they hadn’t been before. It’s because they know that, absent legislation, the program is sure to be struck down. Indeed it already has been by one court (a decision Cheney is “confident” will be overturned).

Let’s do a quick review of the relevant law. Cheney claims that the AUMF “provides more than enough latitude for these activities” and “[t]herefore the warrant requirements of the FISA law do not apply to this wartime measure.” That is just such rubbish. No serious person bought this argument even before Hamdan, but post-Hamdan, it is entirely frivolous.

The Court observed in Hamdan that “there is nothing in the text or legislative history of the AUMF even hinting that Congress intended to expand or alter the authorization set forth in . . . the UCMJ.” All you have to do is substitute “FISA” for “UCMJ” and you know exactly what the Court would say about Cheney’s argument. You’ll never see a Supreme Court precedent more precisely on point.

Moreover, everyone who has even a cursory understanding of these issues knows how utterly frivolous this claim is. That includes people like Andrew McCarthy of the National Review, who, from the beginning, has been one of the chief apologists for the Bush administration on these issues. McCarthy wrote a column in July entitled “Dead Man Walking: Hamdan sounds the death knell for the NSA’s Terrorist Surveillance Program.”

As for Cheney’s claim that “[e]very appellate court to rule on this issue has recognized inherent presidential authority to conduct warrantless surveillance to counter threats directed at the country from abroad,” again this is total and complete rubbish. The cases he’s referring to are all pre-FISA cases. They stand merely for the unremarkable proposition that, absent any statute to the contrary, the President can conduct warrantless surveillance related to issues of national security.

But these cases most certainly do not stand for the proposition that the president can act in direct violation of a duly enacted statute. Again, as the Court made clear in Hamdan:

Whether or not the President has independent power, absent congressional authorization, to convene military commissions, he may not disregard limitations that Congress has, in proper exercise of its own war powers, placed on his powers.

Again, just substitute the phrase “conduct warrantless surveillance” for “convene military tribunals” and it’s perfectly clear what the Court thinks about Cheney’s position. Let me repeat: everyone knows this. I know that Cheney (and Addington and Yoo) have a deep desire for the law to be something other than what it actually is, but I don’t see what is to be gained by simply asserting, and with unmistakable condescension, that up is down. This sort of arrogant disregard for the actual state of the law can’t really be helpful to Cheney’s case. It’s only going to anger those in the Senate whom the White House is hoping will pass some version of the “Terrorist Surveillance Bill” passed by the House prior to the election.

And perhaps even more importantly, I can only see this kind of hubris hurting the government in the case currently pending before Judge Lynch in the Southern District of New York. Judge Lynch held a hearing in that case in September (transcript available here), and in it, he gave more than a few hints that he found these arguments to be frivolous. For instance, at one point, the DOJ attorney said the following:

By the way, the AUMF argument, which we advanced, which we’re quite confident of, nevertheless is an attempt to avoid this constitutional issue, as the court is advised to do.

To which Judge Lynch responded, diplomatically: “Well I think I’ll just in summary say I’m not that impressed by that one.”

In other words, it took Judge Lynch about one second to brush aside Cheney’s AUMF claim, and understandably so. It’s a terrible argument. And that exchange was followed by this one, which is even better:

Judge Lynch: Is there any case that you’re aware of where the Supreme Court or any court has held that an act of Congress that purports to regulate some foreign affairs matter is unconstitutional because it infringes the inherent war powers or commander in chief powers of the president?

DOJ Attorney: It’s not jumping to mind, your Honor. I don’t want to say there’s one that isn’t out there.

Judge Lynch: You haven’t cited me one that I know of?

DOJ Attorney: I don’t believe we have.

Judge Lynch: There are cases, of course, like the appointments powers cases where acts of Congress have been found unconstitutional for infringing on presidential power. But there aren’t many, are there? I mean, this is pretty uncharted ground that you’re asking me to get on, or you’re asking me to stay off it. But basically, in saying that FISA can be unconstitutional for this reason, if we got to the merits of this, you would be asking this Court and ultimately more authoritative courts than this one to rule that on the basis of implicit understandings, conundrums and emanations and unspecific things in the Constitution, that an act of Congress signed by the President of the United States into law enacted after full debate by the political branches is nevertheless unconstitutional.

Judge Lynch was my criminal law professor at Columbia, so I recognize his tone, even from the transcript. It’s borderline sarcastic. He clearly doesn’t buy the government’s arguments on the merits. And it can’t help when someone like Cheney gives condescending speeches repeating these bogus arguments as if they were somehow obviously correct. Cheney is more or less daring district court judges, like Lynch, to strike this program down.

I hope they do.

We’re confident because the Terrorist Surveillance Program rests on firm legal ground.

We’re confident…” Or “we believe we have the authority…”

This is a democracy (nominally). That means it doesn’t matter what he or Li’l Georgie believe. It matters what the Congress, and the courts, and the People believe. He needs a consensus with at least one of those categories in order to be on firm legal ground.

Christ, every motorist who rolls through a stop sign has a really good reason for doing so. Doesn’t keep them from getting a ticket. The bar ought to be at least that high for laws about surveillance and wiretapping,

  • and here’s the paragraph that somehow got eaten:

    Here’s something that I never see mentioned. Cheney constantly put his justifications in terms like “We’re confident…” Or “we believe we have the authority…”

  • Very nice, without knowing Lynch here’s how I translated this excerpt:

    Judge Lynch: [cue music from Jaws, large fin breaks the surface of the placid water]

    DOJ Attorney: [Artful DOJer sees the fin, craps his trunks and starts frantically swimming towards shore]

    udge Lynch: [Music gets louder, large fin submerges Artful DOJer loses a leg.]

    DOJ Attorney: Aaaaaaargh! Aieeeeeee! *glub*

    Moral of the story: Don’t blow smoke up the judicial robes.

    Re: Cheney arguing from pre-FISA precedent. Leaving aside the fact that the man is insane, it disturbs me that his supporters can’t (won’t?) see that if we open the door to passing laws based on overturned precedent we’d get sheer chaos. Of course, none of it would affect Cheney and other rich Caucasian straight Christian males so maybe that’s the whole point. But I’d think Lynne would be a bit peeved if she woke up one day and found she could no longer own property.

  • Minor correction, Roddy. The USA is not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic. A democracy means the smirking chimp would have lost in 2000; a constitutional republic actually put him in his office, to our detriment.

  • Everything the Administration wants to base anything on seems to be wrapped up in the AUMF and the explanation that the AUMF means that we’re therefore “in wartime” and so normal laws and procedures no longer count. But if that’s the case, I’d like to know why the AUMF wasn’t styled as a “Declaration of War” – and if at some point it has been adjudicated and will the Supreme Court ever distinguish between what is an AUMF and what is “war”? It just seems to me that an AUMF is decidedly more limited than “declaration of war” and that Bush is usurping all sorts of powers that Congress didn’t intend by pretending that the AUMF is in fact a “declaration of war”. And didn’t Hemden pretty much say that, regardless, the Executive’s power wasn’t unlimited regardless?

    I take Cheney’s speech and others like it merely as advocacy points – each side gets to make its case (although the Administration and its allies have tried to shut down the other side making its case as “treason”). And I certainly wouldn’t expect the likes of Cheney (maybe especially Cheney) in front of the Federalist Society to actually give a reasoned legal discussion that actually discussed and analysed both sides of the issue. It’s like the campaign and Bush’s press conference the day after the election – in his mind anything said during the campaign was just rhetoric with a desired purpose – meant for a specifici purpose only, but not really meant to be true or actually have any meaning in the scheme of things. This stuff like Cheney’s speech is pretty much the same thing – campaign rhetoric before the base – not really meant to be true or actually mean anything.

    It’s just too bad that these guys are on a permanent campaign and never actually take governing seriously.

  • Barring Hamden, Cheney is wrong in two ways.

    First, the Fourth Amendment was written after Article II specifically because the various states did not want an unfettered Executive and one of the “sins” of the British Crown before and during the Revolution was the unwarranted search and seize of people and papers.

    Second, General Michael V. Hayden’s Warrantless Wiretapping Program, established when he was the Director of the National Security Agency (he’s now the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency), is not and can not be made constitutional no matter what laws Congress might pass. This is because the program produces thousands of tips which are given to the FBI, but only less than one percent of those tips become real cases. That kind of ‘success’ rate makes the search totally “unreasonable” and only reasonable searches can be warranted under the 4th amendment.

    In short, Cheney is wrong, again.

  • “Full speed ahead ” to a constitutional crisis.
    Thank God Bush didn’t get one more of his goons on the Supreme Court before the shit hits the fan.

  • Shorter Dick Cheney: if given an inch we believe we have the authority to take a mile.

    Shorter Constitution: you’re wrong Dick.

  • I posted this over at Unclaimed Territory. I thought there was an additional passage from Cheney’s speech which needed to be translated. Here it is, followed by my translation. .

    … the Michigan district court’s decision is an indefensible act of judicial overreaching.

    Here is my stab at it.

    … the Michigan district court’s decision is an indefensible act of judicial oversight.

  • “Dead Man Walking: Hamdan sounds the death knell for the NSA’s Terrorist Surveillance Program.”

    It seems to me that a lot of people have a faith in authority that is unjustified. A lot of people seem to think that there are always good men out there who never do anything wrong and whose judgment you can trust. They’re forgetting that the reason people act in a way that makes them seem so fair and like they have good judgment is because of their context. That’s why people don’t do things overtly wrong all the time. People grow up having checks on them– the checks and rules that were the products of the insight of a lot of different intelligent people, stretched out over the course of a long time, none of whom themselves were infallible– and having people review their actions. They’re acting this way so consistently not because they have great judgment but because they have the checks working on them of all those other peoples’ judgments. People do things they can get away with and they don’t do things that they can’t get away with. That doesn’t mean that anyone of these guys would have infallibly just judgment and infallibly correct judgment if his actions were unreviewable. All his actions being unreviewable would mean is he would finally get to do what he wants. Think about it in terms of racism. All the people you know at work do not act racist, not because they’re not racist, but because you can’t be racist anymore. A racist could get sued if he does everything he wants to, or he could get fired. At least he’ll be shunned. What’s more, even if he acts racist, he’ll get shunned. It’s not that there aren’t other people who may sympathize with him, it’s just that there are enough who don’t that he can’t act racist.

    Imagine what you could do if you were unreviewable. If you could really show people only your good side, and they could never find out any of the rotten things you did or what you and your colleagues were really thinking or really trying to do, or why you were really trying to do it. Any of these federal agencies could be populated completely with Rush Limbaugh loving morons. And just enough black people that they can scam so they don’t get sued or anything for hiring discrimination. Before 9/11 everybody considered really large intelligence agencies a threat to freedom in the places where they existed. When you can keep hiring guys just like you why wouldn’t it be that a bunch of assholes could be in charge of something important. Isn’t that what happened with the regulatory agencies.

  • To my mind, unfair as it might be, Cheney has become THE poster boy for all that is wrong with the radical-right movement, a stirring example of the crowd that “conservatives” should disown as fast as possible. Delusional, deceitful, dishonest, greedy, and kind of stupid, his traits may be ideal for a totalitarian CEO, but they are a disservice to those on the right who yammer about values, ethics, and personal responsibility. If they want to prove that they’re really better than evil, godless lib’ruls, they need to stop hypocritically parading psychotics such as Cheney around as examples of themselves.

  • On Monday, Judge Walton ruled that the government was being too stingy in crafting descriptions that jurors could be shown of the classified security matters Mr. Libby handled. However, the judge withdrew that ruling yesterday, citing a problem with its legal rationale.
    .
    Is it paranoia, or does that sound like Judge Walton may have received a little “visit” about his ruling on classified matters?

  • So, the big stall is still on. It just has to last two more years until these guys expire. What a con! The lesson to be learned is that any President can make any claim any any grounds to justify what he/she wants to do and the so called Justice department will simply ask how high to jump. And the jumping need only be maintained via whatever court/congress/MSM maneuvers are required (assuming abettors and enablers aplenty) for the duration of the administration. What a precedent!

    Laws must be passed to forestall such skulduggery. If there is any doubt as to the constitutionality of such as this the Supreme Court must be consulted in advance. Such consultation must be mandatory.

  • God, I keep waiting for his fatal heart attack, but you have to own the equipment before you can have an equipment failure.

    What. A. Jackass.

    The existence of The Federalist Society is proof that you can be in the upper 5 percent of your undergraduate college class and pass the LSAT high enough to get in, and still be a blithering idiot.

  • Who are these people who laugh and applaud at the likes of Cheney? Do they understand what he’s saying or the implications of the policies he promotes? Are they so priviledged, so isolated, so superior that the common man is nothing more than a playtoy to manipulate and profit from and toss into elective wars that are good for business? Do they recoil at cruelty, or get a charge out of inflicting it? Cheney is not the only one who is sick here.

  • Perhaps someday with a change in Administration, organizations like the federalist society can be investigated, abolished for crimes against humanity and have their members arrested. We can at least hope so.

  • Dick Cheney makes a good constitutional lawyer like a fruit bat makes a good chess player. He’s just so used to saying, “We believe we have the authority”, and having it become the case by some sort of Republimagic. He’s such a big jiggly bag of evil that I can’t understand why God lets him live. In the old-testament days, he’d just wink out, leaving nothing behind but a whiff of ozone and a little grease spot. Then Lynn could write a bodice-ripper novel about it – managing, of course, to tastefully work in a lesbian scene somewhere.

  • Who believes Cheney anymore, other than other psychos? Ya gotta wonder about anyone who takes Cheney’s word seriously, given his prewar statements and how sure he was of Saddam’s WMDs, the Iraq/9-11 connections, the way we would be greeted as liberators, and the patriotism of anyone who questioned his lunacy.

    I mean, has anyone ever been so wrong about so many important things, ever? And so sure of himself, even as the truth repeatedly punches him in the face? He is consistent, anyway.

    Cheney’s legal opinions are about as believable as his description of how well things are going in Iraq. And the obvious connection between them is Cheney’s desire to stay out of prison. But the Federalist Society stands and claps louder, proving once again that you really can fool some of the people all of the time.

  • The “Mission Statement” (I hate those words together having worked for several companies with really stupid ones) of the Federalist Society is:

    “…it is founded on the principles that “the state exists to preserve freedom,” that “the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution,” and that the duty of the judicial branch is “to say what the law is, not what the law should be.”

    Considering the type of (Facist) lawrat that is attracted to the Federalist Society such as Mann Coulter, who was/is a member, and what it has supported in the past, I think a more truthful statement is this:
    “…it is founded on the principles that “the state exists for whatever the fuck we want as long as we get ours,” that “the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution except when it suits us especially in religion and corporate regulation,” and that the duty of the judicial branch is “to say what we want the fucking law to be, not what the law says.”

  • Cheney says: “We’re confident because the Terrorist Surveillance Program rests on firm legal ground.”

    Translation: When George and I are put on trial for domestic spying, our defense is going to be, “We thought it was legal.”

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