Chiefs balk at ‘double down’

Yesterday, we learned that the civilian leadership at the Pentagon seems increasingly fond of what’s been dubbed the “double down” policy for Iraq, whereby there would be a substantial buildup in American troops in the country, despite the potential for making a dreadful situation worse.

Apparently, the Joint Chiefs of Staff are not on board with the plan.

The nation’s top uniformed leaders are recommending that the United States change its main military mission in Iraq from combating insurgents to supporting Iraqi troops and hunting terrorists, said sources familiar with the White House’s ongoing Iraq policy review.

President Bush and Vice President Cheney met with the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff yesterday at the Pentagon for more than an hour, and the president engaged his top military advisers on different options. The chiefs made no dramatic proposals but, at a time of intensifying national debate about how to solve the Iraq crisis, offered a pragmatic assessment of what can and cannot be done by the military, the sources said.

The chiefs do not favor adding significant numbers of troops to Iraq, said sources familiar with their thinking, but see strengthening the Iraqi army as pivotal to achieving some degree of stability. They also are pressing for a much greater U.S. effort on economic reconstruction and political reconciliation.

No wonder there are rumors about Bush wanting to fire Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Peter Pace — the chiefs aren’t telling the president what he wants to hear. The White House continues to see the military as the key to resolving the crisis, while the Chiefs clearly don’t.

As Josh Marshall explained, “It does appear you’ve got a basic division in the country: the public and the military brass on one side and President Bush and the DC war pundits on the other.”

I wonder who The Decider will side with.

“…the public and the military brass on one side and President Bush and the DC war pundits on the other.” – Josh Marshall

What exactly is a DC war pundit. Some stupid-ass chicken-hawk Texas Oil Mafia owned opinionator on some corporate screaming-heads show?

Anyone who thinks putting 20,000 more troops in a country with over 300,000 (including coalition and Iraqis) is “doubling down” doesn’t understand basic math.

It isn’t enough to help, we don’t have the vehicles for the troops, and it would cost more than the country is willing to pay. We could, just barely, send in troops currently training if we sent in the training equipment. Then would could not train another soldier or marine for Iraq.

And we lose vehicles faster than we lose men and women in Iraq. At least for now. Once we’re the ones driving around in unarmored SUVs and trucks things are going to get very ugly.

  • Double down. I’ve read that “double or nothing” more accurately describes Shruby’s approach. Escalation might be appropriate except his sneaky mindset thinks that 20,000 troops is a number that will dismay but not shock so once again he gets to whittle his way in deeper without risking the charge of escalation.

    Fiasco creep is what he is and what he wants. Just spot him 20,000 soldiers. Just 20,000 more men and women to get him even again. Just 20,000 more troops god damn it. He just neeeeeeds T-W-E-N-T-Y T-H-O-U-S-A-N-D M-O-R-E T-R-O-O-P-S.

    That’s it. That’ll do it. Please, can Shruby have 20,000 more troops. I’m sure he won’t ever ask again.

  • “President Bush and Vice President Cheney met with the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff yesterday at the Pentagon for more than an hour”

    Do these clowns ever meet for longer then an hour or two. This is seriously getting annoying. They are seriously going to discuss Iraq policy in “over an hour”. Jesus, what is that 5 mins/person to discuss what in NOT arguably the biggest fuckup in the past 3 decades.

    That should be the news of this story. No wonder no one seems to know what a Kurd is, or what a Sunni is, or what a Shiite is. They are two busy with the “Iraqi Two Minute Drill” to accomplish anything.

  • The similarities between this American Reich and the previous German Reich are frightening enough. Now, we get to add another piece to the puzzle, with “der Decider” disagreeing with his own generals.

    How long, I wonder, before a really big and angry army stands poised in the DC suburbs, preparing to drive home the proverbial stake of “payback” into the heart of Bushylvania? After all, we’re well on our way to being deemed a pariah state by most of the planet’s inhabitants—all thanks to a rather smallish man on Pennsylvania Avenue….

  • Since we already have 140,000 millitary personel, and they are finally admitting to the existance of an additional 100,000 millitary contractors, 20,000 more really seems like smoke and mirrors, hardly doubling down. Bush is a piece of slime and a murderer. He does not deserve to keep his office; he deserves to go to jail. (I just had to say it though I know it will do no good.) Off topic: I just heard on Air America that Cheney was told by the Saudis that the US was not to talk to Iran, and if the US does not support the Sunnis and pulls out of Iraq, the Saudis will move in. Of course Bush always does what he is told to do by the really important people in his life, his true bosses, the Saudis.

  • When they talk about bringing warring parties to the table, I don’t think they meant the 21 table at Casears. Maybe he craps table.

  • The chiefs do not favor adding significant numbers of troops to Iraq,

    Define “significant”. Perhaps it’s anything over, say, 35K?

  • I would really like for someone in the press to address what I think is the real story here: why are we going through these studies and discussions about strategy at this late date, and why are there are there such diverse opinions as to what to do? Just before the elections, Bush had time to campaign all over the country telling us we were winning, right? So which is it?

    If we were winning, why are we now scrambling to find “a way forward.” And if we weren’t winning, how negligent was it to to parade around lying when Bush should have been having these discussions back then?

    I’m tired of all this crap about the press, and Democrats, and the American people, and the Iraqis, Clinton, Reagan, et. al. being responsible for the situation we’re in. Bush campaigned while Iraq burned. I just wish someone would come out and say it.

  • Here’s a simple solution. Give all the war hawks a rifle and ship their cowardly yellow butts to Falujah. The war will be over before their transport leaves the runway.

  • “Give all the war hawks a rifle and ship their cowardly yellow butts to Falujah.” – Curmudgeon

    Send 1% of the people who voted for him in 2004. They already have rifles and Hummers. I might even be willing to pony up for some hillbilly armor for them.

    Let’s be nice and give them 3 months in Kuwait to train and aclimate, then send in the 680,000 “Bush’s Volunteers”.

  • Two nights ago I had dinner with a Tibetan friend of mine. He walked for two months through the Himalayas with barely more than the clothes on his back to escape to India. He still has a hole in his wrist from a Chinese rifle bullet. He’s the bravest man I ever met. He knows what death looks like close up.

    Three months is too long. Send those fat, whey-faced pundits to Iraq now and see how well they face adversity.

    When I look into my friend’s eyes, I don’t feel like being nice.

  • Bush wants to fire Peter Pace for being insubordinate? The general has been Bush’s doormat since he was first appointed. If Pace and Bush are seriously at odds, I fear things must be a whole lot worse than we are aware.

    Watching Bush at the press conference after meeting with the Joint Chiefs, I was amazed at what a complete ass he was about listening to any dissenting viewpoints. He basically told all the generals to go to hell. No wonder the meeting only lasted about an hour — why waste the time talking to a wall?

    Bush’s strategy is now out in the open. He will not bring the troops home, because they ARE home. Why do you think they call them permanent miltary bases?

  • I’m with Curmudgeon. Send’em to Iraq without 3 months training or acclimatization since they’re SOOOO brave and strong unlike us “stupid gay liberal pansy egghead weakling” types. Why should we show them anything but the same consideration they had for this shit pile of a war. Afterall, there’s plenty more where they came from (right?) as it seems we just have to scoure the ranks of College Repubs aka Fortunate Sons.

  • For a bunch of Reps who are so enamored of Christmas, we sure don’t hear much of that bring-our-troops-home-by-Christmas meme that used to be so popular.

  • “Do these clowns ever meet for longer then an hour or two. They are seriously going to discuss Iraq policy in “over an hour”. They are two busy with the “Iraqi Two Minute Drill” to accomplish anything.”

    Comment by ScottW — 12/14/2006 @ 11:08 am

    via ThinkProgress:
    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/14/delay-lazy/

    DeLay on the 109th Congress: ‘Conservatives Don’t Go To’ Washington To ‘Pass Laws’

    “Conservatives don’t go to pass laws. Only in this town do you count the number of bills you pass and are signed by the president as a success. I count the fewer bills the best and those bills ought to be repealed instead of passing.” – Delay

    Conservatives are lazy _____’s, (insert derogatory word of your choice). Actually doing something is governing. Actually showing up is governing. They hate government and they hate anything that looks like order and accomplishment by a non private entity. Especially since any accomplishment by a public entity makes them look bad because they destroy everything they touch.

    Laissez faire. Hands off policy. Nonintervention. Wait and see policy. Indifference. Do-nothingness.

    They all apply to RepubCo/Conservatives. The 109th Congress will stand as one of their all time great monuments to indifference. It was a huge success. The thought of all that busyness represented by the new Dem lead congress is just exhausting to lazy ass conservatives. What useless assholes they are.

  • “‘If we lose our nerve, if we’re not steadfast in our determination to help the Iraqi government succeed, we will be handing Iraq over to an enemy that would do us harm,’ he said, adding that he would not be “rushed” into a decision.”

    RUSHED????? You’ve had almost 4 years to come up with a plan, asshole. What the hell have you been doing since then??

    And we the American People aren’t “losing our nerve”, we’re losing our patience at the utter stupidity and imcompetence leading this debacle.

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