Clinton cruises in West Virginia; race plays ‘an unusually salient factor’

Bill Clinton, campaigning in West Virginia last week, argued that Mountain State voters could “make the earth move” and fundamentally change the nature of the Democratic presidential race if they supported his wife with 80% support and a turnout of 600,000 voters. Needless to say, yesterday’s results were impressive for the Clinton campaign, but not that impressive.

As expected, Clinton cruised to an easy 42-point victory in West Virginia, winning 67% to 25% for Barack Obama. Turnout was relatively strong, at a quarter of a million voters. Clinton’s showing was the second best of the entire campaign — she won 70% of the vote in Arkansas on Super Tuesday — but fell short of some of the record-setting performances of this year’s process (Obama won 74% or better in Alaska, D.C., Hawaii, Idaho, and Kansas).

Also as expected, racial considerations played a very significant role.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton won a lopsided victory on Tuesday over Senator Barack Obama in the West Virginia primary, where racial considerations emerged as an unusually salient factor. Mrs. Clinton drew strong support from white, working-class voters, who have spurned Mr. Obama in recent contests.

The number of white Democratic voters who said race had influenced their choices on Tuesday was among the highest recorded in voter surveys in the nomination fight. Two in 10 white West Virginia voters said race was an important factor in their votes. More than 8 in 10 who said it factored in their votes backed Mrs. Clinton, according to exit polls.

How serious were identity-politics considerations? John Edwards — who dropped out of the race in January — got 7% of the vote. That’s quite a few West Virginians who seemed to be saying, “We don’t like the black guy or the woman from New York.”

So, what happens now? Not a whole lot.

John Dickerson noted, “So, the Democratic race may supply us with the kind of headline you’d expect to see in the Onion: ‘Clinton Wins in Landslide, Drops Out of Race.'”

Of course, Clinton isn’t dropping out of the race (I’ll have more on this in a subsequent post), so the satirical headline is imprecise, but the point is well taken — Clinton won an easy victory in an Appalachian state filled with the voters least likely to back Obama, who didn’t even try to compete in the primary. The result was so predictable, for the first time this year, the LA Times didn’t even put a story about a primary result on its front page. The pressure to end the nominating fight remains unchanged.

There was one slight twist in the post-election spin, when Clinton declared West Virginia a swing state and said it was she, not Obama, who has performed best in swing states nationwide.

As the Clinton campaign noted in a strategy memo on Tuesday, no Democrat has won the White House without winning West Virginia since 1916. Bill Clinton carried it in 1992 and 1996. Al Gore and John Kerry lost the state in 2000 and 2004, respectively.

The argument is not without flaw. For one thing, Democratic candidates have lost West Virginia’s primary, gone on to win the nomination, and then won West Virginia in the general election anyway. For another, as Matt Yglesias noted in a mocking tone, “[N]o Democrat has won the White House without carrying Minnesota since 1912 (it went for Teddy Roosevelt’s Bull Moose party) so given that Obama won Minnesota and Clinton won West Virginia, McCain is guaranteed to win the general election unless the eventual nominee can somehow completely replicate the social and political conditions prevailing in pre-WWI America.”

For that matter, I’m not sure if the swing-state argument is the most compelling one for the Clinton team. Even if we designate West Virginia as a swing state (it’s a dubious proposition in light of Bush’s 13-point victory there four years ago), Obama seems to have just as strong a swing-state case to make, if not more so — he’s won Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

The Clinton campaign will no doubt return to uncommitted superdelegates, pointing to Obama’s poor showing among lower-income, less-educated whites. The Obama campaign began trying to change the question in a memo released a few hours before polls closed in West Virginia.

“Nationally, Obama is running stronger among Independent voters than any winning Presidential candidate since 1988 and is significantly outperforming Sen. Clinton among these voters as well in general election polling,” the memo said.

The memo also dismissed as a “myth” the notion that “Obama cannot perform strongly enough among white voters.”

“Obama … is running as well or better than past Democratic candidates among white voters,” the memo said, showing he currently holds a share of white support similar to that Al Gore and John Kerry held in their head-to-head contests in 2000 and 2004.

Moving forward, the factors to consider this week include a) whether the Clinton campaign can raise a significant amount of money off its West Virginia victory, as it did after the Pennsylvania primary; and b) whether yesterday’s result slows down the superdelegate shift to Obama that seems to have begun in earnest over the last week or so.

Will West Virginia make a difference in the nomination fight? It seems unlikely, and given the landscape, Clinton seems to have effectively run out of chances to turn things around. The earth, in other words, has not moved.

If stupid, white, rednecks are who we want to elect our next President then I guess Clinton has it sewn up but haven’t we had one of those running the country for the past 7 years?

  • Dear Katy: Our current president may be white and stupid, but he’s still a Bush from Connecticut and Kennebunkport. I do not believe that rednecks deserve that particular insult. 😉

  • West Virginia is one of those small states that the Clinton campaign has said do not matter..unless of course, when they do matter. There is no sensible reason to vote for Clinton in the primary then vote for McCain in the general election. Obama’s and Clinton’s policies are similar and very dissimilar from McCain’s. West Virginia is a state characterized by “lower-income, less-educated whites” who most certainly consider race an important factor, more important than health care, the economy, and the war.

    I live in WV. In very few states do more people vote against their best interests than here.

  • It is not so much that people in places like West Virginia are clinging to their beliefs as much as it is that these people are clinging to their group identities. They are casting their votes in accord with what they think will maintain their identity with the groups they belong to. Rather than stand out with a more independent view of the political landscape and risk alienation by expressing views counter to what keeps them aligned with their communities, they go with the flow of what keeps them in good favors with their neighbors. This is very much a rural/tribal attribute that obviously has some survival mechanisms at its core. We can label them with insulting names, but put in their place, we might think very much along the same lines.

  • I find the strength of the Edwards vote very interesting.

    7%

    Was this people who won’t vote for the black guy, but also don’t buy into the HRC story? Hillary ain’t Bill.

  • This primary is getting very boring. It’s like a sports “best of seven” playoff. One team has already won the playoff but the teams have to play all seven games anyway. West Virginia and Kentucky are consolation prizes.

  • How serious were identity-politics considerations? John Edwards — who dropped out of the race in January — got 7% of the vote. That’s quite a few West Virginians who seemed to be saying, “We don’t like the black guy or the woman from New York.”

    Still a much smaller percentage than the number of Republicans who didn’t like the old guy.

  • I have good friends who were raised in WV. I love hearing the stories of the folks they grew up with and family who are still there. Those people are not rocket scientists. The educated ones leave. Most of the ones left…. well, you can guess. None of the racist stories I am reading on the blogs contradicts any of the stuff my friends tell me. They are also very, very homophobic there. The worst possible thing for a guy up there is to have people think he is gay.

  • I think last night’s results said more about West Virginia (and Hillary Clinton) than about Barack Obama. I also think it might have left a very bad taste in alot of people’s mouths. During the week the interviews and stories coming out of WV were apalling, apalling. Its amazing that in 2008 we have americans spouting those opinions so openly, and a DEMOCRATIC candidate pandering to and encouraging them. Our nation is changing. The old guard is giving way to the new. Hillary Clinton is a dinosaur playing by the old rules. Americans are more educated, less racially polarized, more informed. The kids who John Kerry courted with little success are now four years older and more engaged. I realy think in this election we will see a backlash against the “good old boy” rural/blue collar domination of presidential politics. In 2000 I saw someone interviewed who supported George Bush over Al Gore because, “Bush sounds stupid, just like me.” That worked out really well for us.

    America has changed. Hillary Clinton has chosen to wrap herself in the rotting old politics of bigotry and fear. I’m sure the Republicans will do the same in the fall. People expect more. There are real problems facing the nation and the American people. Fear and hatred of blacks and gays is mattering to an ever dwindling group of people. I really believe this election will be a backlash against them. Finally. It could be the turning point this country desperately needs.

  • As expected, Clinton cruised to an easy 42-point victory in West Virginia…. Also as expected, racial considerations played a very significant role.

    You’ve got to remember, these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land — the common clay of the (frontier).

    You know . . . morons.

  • John Edwards — who dropped out of the race in January — got 7% of the vote. That’s quite a few West Virginians who seemed to be saying, “We don’t like the black guy or the woman from New York.”

    Or maybe, just maybe, they represent the the union-oriented, affirmative-action resenting kinds of progressives who built the New Deal coalition in the first place and whould like to see some evidence among the brie-and-chablis DC Democrats that they’re still welcome in the party. People like those who also live and vote in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky, Wisconsin … i.e., the “rust belt” who didn’t make millions sending their jobs overseas or on the speech circuit.

    Anyone think Edwards should be asked to be on the ticket?

  • It makes me very sad that the thing Obama has always worked for – a united country – for blacks, whites, hispanics etc for the common good of all, has been divided due to the racist comments of Hillary Clinton, I feel like the country is being sent back to the awful days of the KKK, and the burning of black churches, I am old enough to remember some of these things.

  • West Virginia only comes to prominence once every four years- what does that tell you. Or when a mine collapses because of poor administration/corporae shenanigans.

  • This was Clinton’s “Battle of the Bulge”—but instead of German razor-sharp fanatics with great big humongous tanks and dreams of global ideological empire, it was the meandering spawn of Virginian ex-pats with pickup trucks and an addiction for the unimaginative, zero-value mind-funk of the status quo.

  • You’ve got to remember, these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land — the common clay of the (frontier).

    You know . . . morons.

    Best movie ever

  • Reflecting backwards and forwards:

    The primary effectively ended in Wisconsin. The math was etched in stone way back then. Several of us noted it so. Linking to sites that showed the numbers: “It’s over. Do the math.”

    But “true believers” are by definition innumerate, and so on we went… Until North Carolina and Indiana spoiled the “let’s-pretend-it-is-contest” for the media. And for everyone else…

    The obvious metaphor hung silent in the air: Two broken ankles. With Chelsea alone at the track, her greedy bet stubs hidden away… Hush that omen up please: Thou shalt not make hay out of a beautiful animal suffering pain. Fair enough. But… take note: the filly is dead.

    Only the Clintons and their dead-end bums insisted otherwise.
    So that’s why we need Oregon in the Spring…
    That’s when the trapdoor under the noosed Clintons…
    Officially springs open…

    One week is all the dead-enders have left.
    One week.

    [Insert various gallows-rigging sounds and mulling crowd noise here.]

  • *rolls eyes*

    yeah JS, too bad how Clinton turned all of these folks in WV who were tolerant and progressive before into KKK zombies.

    Clinton didn’t cause this. Even her alleged catering to it has been wildly overstated. Intolerance well predates her campaign. Anyone remotely surprised that older, more insular, more economically depressed populations have trouble voting for a younger black man hasn’t been paying attention — and that would have been true had Clinton never made a questionable comment (and indeed when Edwards was in, it was often reflected as both an anti-black and anti-woman bias in exit polling).

  • Interesting that Obama got more votes in the Dem primary than McCain did in the Rep one.
    Obama 91,318, McCain 89,360.

    Also there was a supreme court judge, Spike Maynard, up for reelection. Carpetbagger reported a few weeks ago that he was at the Riviera with a coal mining magnate who had a case before the court. The judge refused to recuse himself from the case. Well he got knocked out in the primary to a man (Menis Ketchum) who ran a lot of commercials that said little more than his name sounds like “ketchup”.

  • The double standard that so many are willing to abide during these discussions is unsettling. Why is it OK to write lines like stupid, white, rednecks electing the next President out of WV, but if someone wrote about the stupid black welfare cheats electing Obama, outrage and allegations of racism would rightfully follow? The level of dialogue is appalling. While race may have played a salient factor in WV and the number of voters who said race had influenced their choices was among the highest on record, it certainly didn’t even come close to the 90% and better numbers of blacks who have consistently voted for Obama. And yet the media is absolutely unwilling to discuss that phenomenon other than as a passing number. It’s not even that surprising that people may vote for someone from their own race in this day and age, but to demonize the one side as racist and let the other side go unnoticed is unjust. Either cast a level playing field during the coverage or be prepared to continue alienating voters whose sense this unfairness.

  • Jack, what we have here are white voters who would not vote for a black man under any circumstances. Black voters have voted for white men all their lives. If Hillary Clinton were the nominee, they’d vote for her. They may prefer Obama, but the black voter does not take the position that they’d not vote rather than vote for a white person. Many a white interviewed in WV essentially said they would never vote for a black man for president. I do not see any equivalence in the two cases.

  • Man, I wish John Edwards was still around to cash in on all that Southern white identity politics. He coulda been a contenda. Sigh.

  • Will West Virginia make a difference?

    No. We are in what you would call “garbage time” in sports. That’s when late in the game the outcome has already been decided, but individual players can pad their statistics.

  • Jack, Mudge is exactly right. Black voters for president have never voted for anything other than a white man.

    Many whites when confronted with the opposite situation will simply refuse to vote for the black candidate for no other reason than that he is black. We’re not talking about a preference here, but an absolute refusal to vote for a black candidate. If you deny there are plenty of those white voters out there, you are not being realistic.

  • Mudge – I’m well aware you do not see any equivalence in the two cases which is why you’re comfortable operating under two sets of rules which mark where you and I diverge. You make several statements that appear to be rank speculation and conjecture on your part. What do you base your observation on that these white voters would not vote for a black man under any circumstances, and that the black voter would rather not vote than vote for Hillary? In fact, a good many of voters, both black and white, have indicated they’d sit out the election or go for McCain rather than vote for Hillary or Obama, but to jump to wholesale conclusions is misleading at best. When you continue to let your blind assumptions and prejudices lead your analysis, it’s hopeless that critical discussion and analysis will ever take place. I’m assuming the statements you’ve made were a product of your prejudices and not based on anything more substantial. And you are correct that black voters have voted for white presidential candidates their whole lives because there has never been another black candidate running as Obama now is – that makes sense doesn’t it – nothing sinister there. But I’m assuming you’re referencing presidential politics only, because obviously our history is replete with black candidates and office-holders at every level of elected office other than the White House.

  • Jack, Mudge, Pug
    I would point out that Blacks, historically, has one of the lowest voting percentages of any group – And, while I don’t have that info off the top of my head, my memory is that is it abysmally low. I don’t know whether it would bet true to say that the percentage, or number, of Blacks that voted for white candidates (Say, in the last election) is the same as the percentage, or number, of whites who have voted for Obama, but in the context of these last comments by you guys, I would be really curious to see these numbers.

    Ultimately, Jacks point is a good one. It’s a double standard that insults, and alienates, voters. That ain’t good.

  • Turnout was relatively strong, at a quarter of a million voter – CB

    West Virginia had 330,714 votes in total, not 250,000.

    Any talk about demographics or race can easily be said about Obama’s win in N. Carolina, but instead people started declaring Obama the winner.

    Clinton won an easy victory in an Appalachian state filled with the voters least likely to back Obama, who didn’t even try to compete in the primary – cB

    Unfortunately, democrats need to win swing states like West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Florida, & Michigan to win in November, and Obama didn’t even compete there. This sends the wrong message to these key constituents that he is NOT a uniter, he wrote them off and didn’t bother campaigning for their votes.

    for the first time this year, the LA Times didn’t even put a story about a primary result on its front page – CB

    I fail to see how a one newspaper not reporting on this is relevant.

    I’m not sure if the swing-state argument is the most compelling one for the Clinton team.

    Obama is losing the Electoral College based on polls whereas Clinton is beating McCain handily

    The swing state metric IS THE ONLY ONE THAT COUNTS IN THE FALL!!!! Obama HAS LOST SUPPORT BIG TIME AND IT SHOWS.. the National polls are flawed, people say he is “electable” based on his likelyhood of getting the nomination, not based on REALITY which is that people in swing states WOULD RATHER VOTE FOR MCCAIN!!

    “Nationally, Obama is running stronger among Independent voters than any winning Presidential candidate since 1988 and is significantly outperforming Sen. Clinton among these voters as well in general election polling” – Obama memo

    This argument is very flawed. First of all, the support is receiving in the national polls don’t mean anything if those voters are in red states which are going to stay red and not in swing states.

    That, and way too many of the voters who voted for him did so before Wright, Ayers, Bittergate.. Obama has offended too many people, he is a flawed candidate who is doomed to fail in November.

  • Jack, Mudge, Pug and whoever else wants to participate in this bantering back and forth and really saying nothing can continue, if they so desire, but it does not help our party or help us to win in the fall.

    What is needed now is for Hillary and Obama supporters to “back off” and stop the negatives attacks on each other. We need to begin the process of healing our party and Obama needs the time to unite and bring together a winable coalition.

    We need to urge the Supers to bring this election process to a close NOW and realistically look at what is happening. While the process has strengthened the candidates and the party, it is NOT doing that any longer. If Hillary is allowed to continue she will weaken our party and our candidate.

  • “Unfortunately, democrats need to win swing states like West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Florida, & Michigan to win in November, and Obama didn’t even compete there.”

    I’ll give you West Virginia, but Obama did compete in Pennsylvania. As for Michigan and Florida, why spend a lot of time in states where all parties – yes, including HRC’s campaign – agreed that the results would not count. I’m sure Obama will spend his share of time in these states between now and November.

  • KTinOhio, are you serious? I was responding to what CB said regarding Obama NOT competing in West Virginia, I didn’t say that he didn’t compete in any of the other states, I lumped them together because they are swing states.

    And they say Obama supporters are the smart ones.. sheesh.

  • That, and way too many of the voters who voted for him did so before Wright, Ayers, Bittergate. -Greg

    This argument would hold more water if recent polls in several states, including California, didn’t indicate that Obama would win if their primary were held again.

    Any talk about demographics or race can easily be said about Obama’s win in N. Carolina, but instead people started declaring Obama the winner. -Greg

    In North Carolina, Obama had virtually an equal number of white and black supporters, while Hillary Clinton’s support was unilaterally white. That suggests racial bias, yes, but not with Obama’s supporters.

    You can twist the statistics to support whatever lie you want, but when you look at the actual numbers, Obama is the candidate building a coalition.

  • We need to stop with the stupid redneck, ignorant hillbilly comments. This is just as hurtful and meanspirited as sexist and racist remarks. Not to mention such language is divisive and counter to everything Obama stands for.

  • Whether Obama can successfully reach out to Appalachia is clearly an important question. The link by Bignose (#6) is particularly relevant here (thanks, Bignose, that was fascinating.) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/12/114237/630/544/513035

    I think Obama was wise not to campaign in WV for now – why spend resources just to have commentators say, ‘he worked so hard but he still lost’, when he doesn’t need the win? As JS said, it’s sad that Clinton has provoked and exploited divisiveness, but I don’t see this as a permanent problem. Unlike Greg, I doubt that Obama will ignore Appalachia in the fall, and I anticipate that he will gradually win them over, over time (and even more so during a successful first term in office, when America has a successful part-Black president and the world doesn’t end in disaster).

  • “As the Clinton campaign noted in a strategy memo on Tuesday, no Democrat has won the White House without winning West Virginia since 1916. Bill Clinton carried it in 1992 and 1996. Al Gore and John Kerry lost the state in 2000 and 2004, respectively.”

    as a commenter said on balloon-juice last night, no one has ever won the white house without being white and having a penis, either. so much for predictability.

  • To all you Clinton supporters who will not vote for Obama.Ask yourself ,”do you want the kids to come home from Iraq”?If not let them die in Iraq and Vote McCain.

  • It strikes me once again that uneducated and poverty-stricken Americans are more likely to be racist than other socio-economic groups, and PART of the solution is an answer to all three conditions.

    If uneducated and poverty-stricken Americans were brought into the mainstream with more opportunities for education and decent jobs, racism would gradually decrease.

    There’s an entire segment of the racist population that COUNTS on Black Americans to remain beneath them on the status-ladder for some kind of self-esteem need. Once they are freed of economic and educational limitations and the despair imposed on them by cultural circumstances, many see the world with new eyes and new knowledge of what constitutes self-esteem. Not keeping anybody else down but the freedom to exercise one’s talents, skills, intelligence and abilities in the world, to contribute, and to reap reasonable benefits for one’s efforts.

    This is what Obama hints at as his goal, to begin the complex process of enabling all Americans to overcome the conditions imposed upon them that trap them.

    But he can’t do it alone. His vision must set a fire in America’s imagination so that most of us agree that this is the best direction to go.

    I think he can do it if the wolves don’t devour him before the election.

  • Peg – I’m assuming you don’t have a substantive response to the issues raised in the above “banter”. To speak from my own experience, I voted for Obama in my state’s primary. Since then, I’ve read his books and considered with great care the various issues (his senate voting record, his position on capital gains taxes and taxes in general, his vague solutions to Iraq and Iran, Wright, the bitter comment, Ayers, etc) raised since I last voted. At this point, I’ll probably vote for McCain. I’m white, male, have a JD, am a high earner, and live in New York (although I’m from North Carolina). From what I can gather, the Dems are more driven by their hatred of Bush in voting for Obama, than they are of substantive reasons to vote for him. While Obama promises to unite and change, his record and proposed solutions promise something very different. “Stupid white rednecks” is not the language of uniters. And if Obama supporters think that some of the issues surrounding Obama don’t raise questions regarding his judgement and experience for a good many responsible and smart Americans, then I’m willing to wait for the general election results and respect what the majority of Americans think for the next four years (although I’m afraid Obama supporters are setting themselves up for another four years of conspiracy theories, racist charges and whining in general).

  • Jack
    I don’t believe Obama ever said “Stupid white rednecks”. His supporters, yes, and that is unfortunate.

    And to all you stupid elitists out there making such charges, I would encourage you to first read the link I first posted at #6, and referenced again by NWells.

    And then I would remind you all of something.

    America was a largely agrarian society up unitl the industrial revolution. After that, while the big cities were getting electricity and farmers were getting new-fangled machinery, these people were mining coal to drive this new revolution.

    And during the last fifty years, when the stadard of living for most americans became the highest in the world, most of us got electricity, indoor plumbing, cars, this weird and wonderful internet thing, the frills that we see as the wealth of this nation, these people were still mining coal, and that coal is still a significant part of what drives the electrical engine that drives this country.

    Do we need to get away from coal? Yes.

    But for generations, these people have performed one of the most dangerous occupations in the world, in remote areas, to make this country great.

    In the end, they have been shut out, reaping so few of the benefits that come of the products of their labors.

    We owe them the benifit of the doubt, and a seat at the table, the table the we democrats like to call so inclusive.

  • Geez, will the people who are blithely insulting whole states’ worth of people cut it out, please? Even if you were armed with all kinds of statistics and historical frameworks, your “conclusions” would be worse than worthless. It’s just as bad to declare everyone in WV who voted for HRC as a racist hick it is to smear Obama as a foreigner (or worse). And it’s not like most of the people I know in my cushy SF Bay Area existence are incredibly well-informed — they have plenty of knee-jerk attitudes and blind spots . . .

    And finally, couldn’t it be that part of John Edwards’s appeal in a state like WV stem from all his talk about poverty and class?

  • KTinOhio, are you serious? I was responding to what CB said regarding Obama NOT competing in West Virginia, I didn’t say that he didn’t compete in any of the other states, I lumped them together because they are swing states.

    And they say Obama supporters are the smart ones.. sheesh.

    ———-

    Mea culpa. (We Obama supporters all speak Latin.)

  • Obama did campaign in West Virginia, he actually outspent Clinton again in ads. So I don’t think that is a valid excuse for his big lose there.

    What a lot of people seem to be forgetting is that America was built by the middle class and WV is a prime example of middle class America. Farmers are middle class Americans, where would you get your food without them? From China? Don’t you think all the elitist people calling these people ignorant racist should instead thank them for the back breaking work they endure to give us food to eat, coal to burn, jeans to wear?
    It disturbs me to hear Obama supporters so dismissive of an important part of our country.
    Doesn’t Obama preach unity of all? Funny how you can hear it and believe it but not live it.

  • This is for analyst Ruben in CNN. His blog was full that is why I post it here.
    You know Ruben, this is not about black or white. I do not appreciate your analysis in this area. Yes, the color of Obama is black but we all should stick with “who will make the best president”. This is not affirmative action position. In all the offices and factories, there is a bulletin board that says, employers do not discriminate because of gender, age, religion or color. In all of the jobs we are let to believe that if you are qualified, the job is yours. So why should this job be different? Are we going to hand the presidency to Obama because he is black or because he is the best candidate for the job? I and most of Americans do not go for that scenerio of the first black and the first woman. We need someone who is qualified, ready and able and love this country with passion to defend it at all cost. I do not see thaI Obama fit this bill. As for Edwards, he is just one man and all the other delegates who pledged for him, hopefully have a mind of their own to know that just because Edwards worked passionately for the working class people does not necessarily mean that Obama in any form share the same concerns So do not count Hillary out. No one quits in the middle of a race except you know who. This is a very simple situation. If both people are in a marathon, you cannot tell one person to drop out because you do not like who that person is. All of us work for a boss we may not necessarily agree with but we do not ask the bosses to quit because we do not like them or we ourselves do not quit a job just because we personally do not care for our boss. This is a very well rounded intelligent, think on your feet candidate, but it is the “talking heads” like you who skewed most of this result to OBAMA who everyone knows will loose in November if the Democratic Party do not get it right.
    Just do your job. No one needs your sarcasm and inuendos. Okay.
    Hillary 2008!!!!!

  • No Mudge, no Pud, Jack is absolutely correct. Why do you keep on calling WV uneducated? I have friends there with PHD and some are physicians. Tell me, are you better than they are? I think you and your candidate are the most arrogant individuals that someone like me ever come across. You talk too much without thinking and so is your candidate Obama. This is not about, black or white. So you only have a chance to vote for a white man and not a black man? You all only vote for Obama because of the “color of his skin.” Isn’t it the exact opposite situation that Martin Luther King fought for? So you can vote for Obama because as you put it “he is black” but the whites cannot vote for Hillary because “she is white.?” Now you call them racist but what about you? What do you call yourselves? How ignorant does that sound? And you tell everyone, “you all are educated?” I do not think so. If this was to be a fair election, then we all should be debating on all these blogs about which candidate is for job creation, social security, education etc.and not the silly thing like “we only have a chance to vote for white man.” This is exactly, how your scenerio will go. Obama will loose in November, not because everyone see how black he is but because he does not stand for any issues nor solve any problem nor follow through any issue from beginning to end. His patriotism is laughable, he will not even wear the American flag if his life depends on it. So tell me, do you think such an individual deserve our vote? Do you think if Hillary is not the nominee, most of us will waste our vote for such individual and negate McCain who bears the stripes for this country? You must be delusional.You all should vote based on the issues not based on color or gender and let the best candidate be nominated. Superdelegates better take note.
    Hillary for President 2008!!!

  • Just think this way, race did not play any important role in South Carolina, North Carolina, and Mississipi,,,,,,

    No Hillary, No success for Democratic Party in Nov.

  • well– hilary has made race a issue in west virginia. she told wolf blitzer that saying white people only vote for her was a big mistake but that is how you build a coalition against the republicans in the fall———-what?????????????
    seems to me she built a coalition against america……….not the republicans!
    i find it very insulting as a white man that we have to try to divide this nation by making comments about such things as that.
    the issues should be the war in iraq, the economy and how we are going to unite this nation and get back on our feet again… live in peace with other nations and build our great nation up not divide it………
    i am a barack obama supporter because he will unite this nation and bring us back as one nation not a divided nation.. we all know the value of peace and security….

  • obama dosent lend money to his campaign because they manage money better then that.obama didnt campaign in west va because he knew it was a lost cause.the clintons played the race card .they played it in north carolina ,they played it indiana,they also played it in west virginia.to there own demise.i am still waiting to see this unbeatable clinton political strategy that everyone is suppose to be so awed about.i think they make some really dumb moves thank god there kind of judgement is not running this nation..a vote for mcain is the death of someones kid in uniform.

  • it hurts to see passionate americans fighting over who is racist,the white candidate,the black candidate.white voters black voters,when did all this start.it was started by the evil clintons.the clintons have some of the most loyal supporters in the history of this nation .they arent racist people.but they have been taken full advantage of by hillary clinton.there loyalty.there contributions.if im wrong then why is hillary not comming out and telling her people not to go there with this racial stuff ,why hasnt anyone heard from her or her husband on the subject of party unity.because they thought this racial division was gonna work in there favor.bill clinton went on a bubba tour in north carolina standing in the back of a pickup truck looking and talking like a redneck.ignoring the blacks of north carolina.then hillary gets in front of the entire world and says obama cannot get white working class voters to vote for him.totally insulting most blacks in this countrycause they work too.and fireing up the west virginians red neck community and delibratly creating an atmospher of racial division this country has not seen in years and whats worse all for her own politcal gain.hillay clinton and bill clinton are two very evil people.if i was barrck obama i would never trust her as a vice president .i would loose the election first.

  • Jack and Bignose

    Just imagine your canidate went arround stating that HARD WORKING BLACK AMERICANS will be the deciding demographics in the general election. Then to step back and say that race is not an issue in the election

    Sen. Clinton said after super Tuesday that the small states that Obama was winning up to Texas were not important and that the caucas were not representative of .the population they should not count.

    It is grotesque the way that the Clintons have attacked Obama, and has tarnished Bill Clintons term in office. After all th african americans are the ones that got him elected.

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