Clinton, Obama, and McCain quarrel over ‘gas-tax holiday’ proposal

One of the awkward realities of the Democratic presidential race is that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama really don’t disagree on much. Their platforms are not identical, but in several key areas, the two Dems are generally on the same page. This, as much as anything, leads the campaign to focus on trivia, mini-scandals, personalities, and process questions like “electability” — because it’s easier than highlighting the relatively few differences between them.

With this in mind, I am absolutely delighted to see a new, genuine, Grade-A policy conflict between the two candidates emerge. It has nothing to do with a gaffe or a flip-flop or guilt by association. It’s an actual disagreement over substance. I think I’m feeling faint.

The issue, in this case, is a proposal for a “gas-tax holiday.” Two weeks ago, John McCain got the ball rolling, with a pitch that sounded like it might have political appeal: over the summer, when fuel demand is at its peak and gas prices are on the rise, McCain wants to shave 18.4 cents off the price of a gallon of gas by temporarily waving federal taxes. It would cost $11 billion a year.

Clinton agrees with McCain, and Obama doesn’t.

As angry truckers encircled the Capitol in a horn-blaring caravan and consumers across the country agonized over $60 fill-ups, the issue of high fuel prices flared on the campaign trail on Monday, sharply dividing the two Democratic candidates.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton lined up with Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, in endorsing a plan to suspend the federal excise tax on gasoline, 18.4 cents a gallon, for the summer travel season. But Senator Barack Obama, Mrs. Clinton’s Democratic rival, spoke out firmly against the proposal, saying it would save consumers little and do nothing to curtail oil consumption and imports.

Now, it’s worth remembering that Clinton and McCain have similar approaches to this, but their plans are not identical. McCain would waive the tax over the summer, and let the Highway Trust Fund suffer with less money. Clinton, in contrast, would impose a new tax on oil companies to make up the difference, so the Highway Trust Fund would be fine. Her approach is obviously more fiscally responsible.

That said, in the broader sense, Clinton and McCain are on one side of this debate, with Obama on the other. In this case, I think the evidence is overwhelming that Obama’s right.

Indeed, I’ve been criticizing McCain for the idea, so it’s only fair that I criticize Clinton for adopting the same idea. A “gas-tax holiday” wouldn’t address the real problem, and might actually make matters worse.

On the face of it, John McCain’s proposal to offer a gasoline tax “holiday” during the summer driving season might sound like a good way to cut gas prices at the busiest time of the year. But economists and energy analysts say it would have little impact on mitigating the rise in gasoline prices. In fact, it could lead to the opposite result.

The federal gasoline tax represents a flat fee of 18.4 cents a gallon nationwide. With gasoline currently averaging $3.39 a gallon, the tax represents a mere 5 percent of today’s pump price. While that’s not trivial, consider that gasoline prices have more than doubled since 2004.

The problem is that lowering gasoline prices at the pump would encourage more consumption. So in the long run, it would push prices up.

“You don’t want to stimulate consumption,” said Lawrence Goldstein, an economist at the Energy Policy Research Foundation. “The signal you want to send is the opposite one. Politicians should say that conservation is where people’s mindset ought to be.”

It’s why I found it especially disappointing that Clinton not only adopted a bad idea, but attacked Obama for failing to adopt a bad idea.

“My opponent, Senator Obama, opposes giving consumers a break,” Clinton said, campaigning in North Carolina. “I understand the American people need some relief.”

For goodness’ sakes, that’s cheap. I suspect the focus groups liked the sound of a “gas-tax holiday” — consumers would likely endorse any idea that sounded like it might save them some money at the pump — but Obama “opposes giving consumers a break”? C’mon, the Clinton campaign is better than this.

Paul Krugman, who has endorsed Clinton’s approach to most issues enthusiastically, criticized the idea just yesterday, calling it a “measure that would, in fact, do little to help consumers, although it would boost oil industry profits.”

Everything about the McCain-Clinton proposal is just a mess. It wouldn’t address the problem at hand; it would encourage consumption instead of conservation; it would boost oil company profits; it pushes a bogus conservative frame (government taxation is partially responsible for high gas prices); and at least under McCain’s version, it would undercut much-needed transportation funds. Ultimately, it’s part of a search for a short-term quick-fix, but in this case, it’s likely to make matters worse, not better.

It’s nice to be arguing about something substantive for a change, though, isn’t it?

From everything I’ve been reading, the connection between supply, demand and gas prices has been broken and the current increases in prices have little to do with demand. When demand decreases, prices do not fall. However, I have been seeing reports that inflation is increasing due to the impact on higher gas prices. The distress felt by truckers is real, as is the increase in food prices. It is unclear to me why you and others are saying that this would do little to ease consumer’s problems. I agree that this is not a long term solution, but immediate relief would be an important stimulus to an economy entering full-blown recession.

Clinton’s plan to impose a tax on the gas companies to pay for this relief is a step closer to the windfall profits tax people have been clamoring for, but would directly benefit consumers, instead of going into general revenue. I can’t see how that would be a bad thing. Obama’s opposition to band-aid measures puzzles me. Why does he oppose short-term help? Because both Clinton and Obama have other policies related to the energy crisis, this proposal doesn’t stand alone, so why should anyone be pretending that his is ALL either candidate would do?

What is Obama’s counterproposal to stimulate the economy in the near term?

  • Steve, in a world where long-term reality matters, you’d be right and Clinton would be wrong. A gas tax holiday essentially rewards Hummer drivers relative to, say, Prius drivers, and wholly ignores why our sons and daughters are dying in Iraq.

    In a political campaign world where voters are uninformed, selfish, and short-term in their thinking, Clinton is right and Obama (in particular) and McCain (on the particulars) are wrong. The general public will eat this up — Clinton is right in that the non-rich absolutely do feel like they need a break, and will not give a lot of scrutiny to whether it is the ideal break or a problematic break — that would be looking the proverbial gift horse in the mouth. Vis-a-vis McCain, she is one up because (a) she is more fiscally responsible, but also (b) in a nice gimme to those on the left who wont like the misplaced incentives of a gas tax holiday, she throws in a little well-deserved rich-soaking — a windfall profits tax of sorts on Big Oil.

    While one can blame Clinton, I suppose, for failure to lead the masses to the right way of thinking at risk to her political health, one should not be surprised as that really is not how politics works and how politicians stay employed. Clinton is “wrong” on this because the public will gleefully buy the wrong solution, just like the secretary at my office who loved GW Bush when he did his first $300 stimulus checks several years ago — even as she complained about her rising health care premiums, state and local taxes, and yes, gas prices, without ever considering how Bush’s policies were connected to those as well, and how those more than ate up her $300 bribe. Obama is right, and it may hurt his chances to get elected and do useful things to bring energy prices down in the long run.

  • The Federal Tax on gas is about 18 cents a gallon. So for a 12 gallon fill-up. the consumer saves less than $2.50. As it stands today, this savings of roughly 5% is small potatoes, especially relative to the percentage that gas takes up in the average consumers overall budget.
    I’d rather have higher gas taxes, better infrastructure, and investment in alternative energy.
    None of the candidates are suggesting this, though

  • And then there is the unknown of oil prices at that point in time, how much the companies will raise the price to higher levels and screw both us and our roads.

    The companies are making record profits. A tax break will not change that.

  • I’ve been a strong Clinton supporter up until this point, but this may be the issue that shifts me to Obama. While I feel the burn every time I fill my tank, lifting the gas tax is a bad idea for all the reasons you spelled out in the article.

    What is really striking is how little lifting the federal gas tax is going to save the average consumer. I did the math out for my car. In VT, gas is currently $3.54/gallon. I have a small car and the gas tank holds about 12 gallons. This comes out to $42.48 to fill my gas tank. Lifting the federal gas tax would shave 18.5 cents per gallon, making gas cost $3.355/gallon. It would then cost $40.26 to fill the tank, for a net savings of $2.22 every time I fill the tank. Granted, someone driving a large SUV would see more savings, but still only about 5% off what they pay now.

    I also have a sneaking suspicion that if the federal gas tax were lifted, oil companies would then raise the price of gas to match what little relief there was.

    Not to mention the environmental impact. I currently know at least 3 people who are at least considering putting their cars away for the summer because the cost of gas has gotten high enough. This is a real wake up call for us to get off of our oil dependancy. I have very little sympathy for people who drive Hummers or other ridiculously large vehicles and then complain about gas prices.

  • In a study reported on NPR yesterday, researchers offered subjects the choice of fruit or chocolate. When the offer was for an immediate choice, the majority took chocolate even though it was clear that chocolate was the poor choice nutritionally. (Although I am not sure why.) When offered the same choice to be given in a week, the majority chose the fruit.

    On follow-up when the researchers showed up a week later with the fruit, they offered the chocolate again. The majority took chocolate.

    The moral of the story is that when faced with an immediate choice, people tend to choose whatever is expedient but when left with a time lag in the choice they choose that which is best. Guess which one Obama is offering and which one McCain/Clinton are offering?

    The correct political choice is the chocolate, the correct moral choice is the fruit.

  • I also think the “holiday” is a mistake. But I think it is also disingenuous. Do either Clinton or McCain really want to see an 18 cent increase in September, just before elections and the next heating season. This strikes me as pure pandering. And I hope when people see the folks on CNN and CNBC celebrating every time the Fed drops the Fed rate, they realize this weakens the dollar and increases the price of gas. As does the growing debt, by the way.

  • “My opponent, Senator Obama, opposes giving consumers a break,” Clinton said, campaigning in North Carolina. “I understand the American people need some relief.”

    So is Clinton also joining McCain in demanding that the Bush tax cuts for the rich be made permanent? Because if she’s going to be consistent, that logic demands as much.

  • I can’t see how [Clinton’s band-aid] would be a bad thing.

    Because gas prices will rise to match and even surpass the lost profits to the oil companies. It’s all symbolism and no substance, not even short term substance.

  • It is unclear to me why you and others are saying that this would do little to ease consumer’s problems.

    Because the gas companies would simply increase their price by nearly as much as the gas, and consumers would see virtually no relief in their actual charge.

  • If that link between supply and demand and gas prices has been broken, what’s caused it?

    There’s compelling evidence it’s at least in part because the Fed is about to lower rates below inflation, again, and investors are heading away from the dollar and financial assets into commodities of all types, including oil and gas. So we’re seeing the dollar reach record lows, and oil hit record highs, and I don’t think those two are unrelated.

    If McCain and/or Clinton want to address those issues, how to deal with the financial crisis without “taxing” all of us with inflation, and give short term relief in the meantime, OK, but just giving away freebies and ignoring the real problem is worse than doing nothing and letting prices settle where they will. Basically I think the inflation tax should be put out there and either dealt with or not, but acknowledged as a real consequence of the monetary and fiscal choices we are being forced to make.

  • Clinton needs to remember back when her husband was president and he signed into law a 4 cent gas tax increase. Bob Dole and the Repubs went crazy with photo ops at gas stations to show how democratic tax increases were screwing the consumers. About a week after the tax went into effect, the price of gas went down.

    We can’t consume our way out of oil dependency and the government cannot, short of mandating a price, do a whole lot about the actual price of gasoline at the pump. Until the pols start telling people to use less oil, and start coming up with polices to implement less use, all they are doing is pandering.

  • I’m a bit surprised that nobody, not even carpetbaggerreport, is covering the backstory. From what I’ve read elsewhere, Obama was faced with nearly the same circumstance some years back, as a legislator in Illinois. He supported a local suspension of the state gasoline tax between Memorial Day and Labor day. However, when the fall came and legislators debated making the gas tax suspension permanent, he opposed it… because the experience of the ‘temporary’ suspension was that oil companies simply raised their prices to increase their margins while the tax was suspended, and consumers didn’t benefit at all.

    Steve Benen, can you research and confirm this story?

  • Danp — I suspect McCain and the “conservatives” are counting on the outcry about that to ensure that the gas tax is eliminated permanently. And Clinton is just pandering.

    Actually, I suspect McCain is calculating that the governors who use the funds from the Highway Trust Fund will lobby to make sure this doesn’t happen, so he gets to claim credit as a tax-cutter without the hard work of coming up with something substantive and getting it through Congress. In that sense, Clinton’s proposal is actually more dangerous, since it has some traction against that natural opposition, and given how regularly the Democrats in the Senate are outmaneuvered by the Republicans, it would probably get the oil company tax stripped out along the way, putting Democrats in the position of explicitly voting against McCain’s proposal, rather than just refusing to bring it up (and with Clinton’s name on it, no less.)

  • I payed $3.49 yesteerday and it was $3.55 this morning when I went by. By the time this goes thru it will be $4.00. Every time the dollar drops 1% in value the price of a barrel goes up $4. The fix is to make the dollar stronger.

  • Norm, if you are correct, CB shouldn’t have to look it up – Obama should trumpet it loudly:

    “Look, this is a good example of where I do have experience, and it has taught me some things first hand that Senator Clinton hasn’t learned yet. This isn’t the first time gas prices have shot up. It happened when I was in the Illinois legislature. And then, as now, politicians wanted to pander with a summer gas tax holiday. At the time I listened to the proposal and thought ‘hey, people are hurting, this temporary relief is worth a try.’ And so I voted yes and we tried it in Illinois and guess what happened? The consumers didn’t get a break at all — the oil and gas companies jumped in and raised prices so the benefits ended up not in the pockets of average Americans but in the pockets of the oil and gas companies! I’ve been there, I’ve tried it, I’ve seen that it doesn’t work, it doesn’t help consumers and I’ve learned from that experience. The gas tax holiday is empty pandering that will do nothing for consumers in the short run and will actually harm both the economy and the environment in the long run. There are better ways to help Americans who are hurting from the Bush-McCain recession [list some of Obama’s plans], and it is unfortunate that Senator Clinton doesn’t have the experience to reject this old unsuccessful gimmick.”

  • First let me apologize.
    This morning, I watched Fox News.
    But only for a few seconds, honest!
    They reported someone is predicting gas prices could hit $10/gallon in 2 years
    I know, I know, it’s Fox News, where “honesty in reporting” is optional, and spin is in. But still. Scary stuff. If you think the economy is bad now….

  • McPhony’s plan is to reward the oil companies. Period. end of story; movin’ along now.

    Obama’s opponent’s plan, likewise rewards oil companies. I’m no US Senator, but even I know that an additional tax on the oil companies isn’t going anywhere this year. There are enough Republicans (Patrons Of Oil Profiteers—POOP for short) in the Senate to filibuster any tax increase out of existence; there is a president (also a member-in-good-standing of POOP) who will veto any tax increase out of existence; there are nowhere near enough Dems in both houses to override the POOP veto. She-unworthy-of-naming’s plan, in the end, is to likewise reward the oil companies. Period. End of story; movin’ along now.

    So to me, the choice is simple. There are three options; one option is Obama, and the other two options are POOP—which some people are obviously more than willing to wallow in, like piggies in their pen….

  • Wilco

    The price of food is also skyrocketing. Just yesterday in one of the “big box” stores, I saw filleted fish for $23.99 a POUND! The cheaper fish was $9.99 and $11.99/lb. I don’t know how the two, oil and food, are related in spiralling costs (maybe not at all), but America’s in real trouble.

  • Both sides of this argument, of course, make valid point. The sudden rise in gas prices has caused some hardship for many Americans, but, on the other hand, lowering gas taxes is bad policy in the long run.

    One solution would be a temporary decrease in gas taxes in return for a longer term increase. The goal would be to reduce sudden changes in gas prices over time. There could be a formula to determine changes in the gas tax, based on recent inflation-adjusted seasonally-adjusted changes in the price of gas.

    Any time price of gas rises dramatically, the taxes would automatically be reduced to cushion the impact. Over time, as prices stabilize, the taxes would automatically (and gradually) increase somewhat beyond their previous levels.

    The federal gasoline tax has been at about $0.18/gallon since the early 90’s. In the 90’s, when gas was around $1.18 per gallon, the 18 cents amounted to an 18% tax added to a roughly $1 per gallon price without the gas tax. Today, with gas prices over $3 per gallon, the federal gas tax of 18 cents has dropped to a mere 6% tax.

    This is the problem with the federal gas tax today. It is formulated in a way that it automatically decreases over time as a percentage.

    It should be changed so that it is measured in cents per dollar rather than cents per gallon. It should be permitted to rise to at least 10% ($0.10 per dollar), to bring it back to the percentage level it was when gas was $1.80/gallon.

    Such a change would be good long-term policy and would be well worth trading off for a short-term decrease.

  • I don’t know how the two, oil and food, are related in spiralling costs (maybe not at all), but America’s in real trouble.

    They’re intricately related. It takes gas to run almost all farm equipment and some processing stages, with the real cost coming in getting the product to market.

  • Norm, here ya go:

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/04/a_holiday_from_gas_prices.html

    The gas tax moratorium proved politically popular in Illinois, but economically questionable. The Illinois Economic and Fiscal Commission estimated that the state lost $175 million in revenues during the six-month period. A subsequent study by the National Bureau of Economic Research showed that gas prices fell by 3 percent, meaning that only three fifths of the savings from reduced taxes was passed on to consumers.

    “It turned out to have a pretty small effect,” said Joseph Doyle, an assistant economics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “Consumers were slightly better off, but the benefits were spread very thinly, and the government was a lot worse off.”

    http://www.artba.org/economics_research/current_issues/indiana-illinois_gas_tax_2001_.pdf

    During summer of 2000, the average motorist in Indiana ended up with a total tax break of about $10 – the cost of a half –tank of gasoline. Illinois motorists fared just a bit better; they received about $20, or a full tank of gasoline. On October 25, Indiana Governor Frank O’Bannon ended the folly and reinstated the state motor fuel tax. Illinois Governor George Ran let the charade go on until the end of the year, when an attempt to make the tax cut permanent failed in the state legislature.

    There’s a cautionary tale in the actions of Indiana and Illinois, based on elementary economics, that legislators at all levels of government should heed. At the same time, motorists from across the country should thank the people of Indiana and Illinois for serving in a case study of what governments should not do in response to rising motor fuel prices.

    And for a fee:
    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=905523

    Abstract:
    There are surprisingly few estimates of the effect of sales taxes on retail prices, especially at the firm level. Further, along both sides of a state border, a change in one state’s sales tax can shed light on the nature of competition, as a subset of firms effectively experiences a change in its marginal cost. This paper considers the suspension, and subsequent reinstatement, of the 5% gasoline sales tax in Illinois and Indiana following a temporary price spike in the spring of 2000. Earlier laws set the timing of the reinstatements, providing plausibly exogenous changes in the tax rates. Using a unique dataset of daily, gas station-level data, retail gas prices are found to drop by 3% following the suspension, and increase by 4% following the reinstatements. After linking the stations to driving distance data, some evidence suggests that the tax increases are associated with higher prices up to an hour’s drive into neighboring states.

  • If any of the three of them really cared about this they’d be in the Senate working on it. They are CANDIDATES and their opinions about what should happen THIS SUMMER is not worth a hill of beans.

    They are just telling you what they’d do if they were currently in the White House. And considering that, all their positions suck. Clinton’s sucks the least because she moves the tax burden from the consumers to the stock holders of Exxon/Mobile, etc..

    What they should be talking about is their Energy Policy proposals. Since McCain’s is basically let the Texas Oil Mafia have its way with America (without lubricant) he naturally wants to change the subject.

  • As was said, gas affects every level of the food chain (Oh, Lex, where are you?? He’s so much better at this!) Gas/Diesel is used to:

    – get the seeds in the ground
    – harvest the product
    – get the product to market
    – get the market product to the local markets
    – get the animals to slaughter
    – get the slaughtered meat to local markets

    Gas at every stage of food production and delivery. THAT is why growing and buying local is so critical! How much of our food supply is imported from CHINA? Thailand?

    http://www.eatwild.com

    This link will hook you up with local farmers and ranchers. And wait until you taste real locally grown food. Your taste buds will be delighted!

    Hit your local farmers markets now that spring is around the corner, too.

    EVERYTHING we do affects something else. Call it the Butterfly Effect of sorts.

  • They reported someone is predicting gas prices could hit $10/gallon in 2 years

    It’s unknowable at this point, as it depends on many variable factors. Just the same, it wouldn’t surprise me; the chimp’s economic policy has seemed designed to ignite hyperinflation. So in 2 years we could be looking at both $10/gallon gas and $10/gallon milk.

  • Clinton’s Plan for the Thinking Challenged

    1. Start gas tax holiday. Gas goes down by $0.18. Yay!
    2. Impose a new tax on the oil companies. Yay!
    3. Gas companies pass along cost of new tax to consumers. Boo!
    4. Gas prices go up as a result. Boo!
    5. Gas prices go up due to consumption. Boo!
    6. Holiday ends. Boo!
    7. Tax reinstated. Boo!

    What we really need is a way to tax consumers who inefficiently use gas. When we’re dealing with any finite resource, inefficient consumers drive the price up more quickly than efficient consumer.

    Every consumer vehicle that gets less than 24 miles a gallon should result in a yearly tax for the life of that vehicle for each mile per gallon under that goal.

    We have to aggressively motivate people to drive more fuel efficient vehicles. Do that, and the price of gas will go down or at least stop increasing so quickly.

    I don’t know how the two, oil and food, are related in spiralling costs (maybe not at all), but America’s in real trouble. -aristedes

    Simple: it takes oil products to get food to the shelf. The more fuel they use to get you the food, the more exensive it will be.

  • I’d lik to see an economist tackle the issue of what the weak dollar has done to the price of oil. With the dollar dropping against the Euro, the Pound and the Canadian Dollar, I wonder if the price of oil is a reflection of the decreased value of the American Dollar. No gas tax holiday will over come a devalued currency.

    I also wonder what the gas tax holiday will really cost Americans. With fewer dollars for road repairs and bridge maintenance, will we actually be spending more in the long term on front end alignments or funeral costs when another bridge goes crashing down into a river.

    With Hillary and McCain on the same page, will the Sunday morning pundits declare them a dream team and ask if one would be the other’s Veep if they lose the election?

  • Anybody who favors a carbon tax or a cap and trade system for carbon must then oppose ANY reduction in the tax on gasoline no matter how it is worded.

    The only way you can support Clinton’s position is if you don’t want any carbon tax or cap and trade AT ALL.

  • It’s nice to be arguing about something substantive

    Well if you consider pandering substantive, maybe. I think all the horse race garbage has really lowered your standards as to what real policy is CB. 🙂

  • We have to aggressively motivate people to drive more fuel efficient vehicles.

    $10/gallon gas will do that quite well. $20/gallon will do it even better.

    What’s going on here is that the game is up. The bill is coming due, not only for horrendous economic/foreign policy on the part of the chimp, but also more generally for the idiotic decisions (going back decades) on the part of the country as a whole that turned us into a high-energy-usage suburban nation. Our whole transport/food/housing infrastructure presupposes cheap energy, and without it nothing makes much sense.

    Gonna be some interesting times coming up the next couple of decades.

    As for the gas tax, this is just rearranging deck chairs. The Gas Tax Holiday is a stupid idea, but it’s a small bore stupid idea. It will have relatively little effect, and is mostly just a symptom of a society unable to stare hideous reality in the face.

  • I’m of the opinion that people aren’t this stupid and that this makes Clinton and McCain look like they’re pandering and out of touch. Because my first reaction to this was a big Whoop-to-do! Like eighteen cents a gallon is going to kill me when I’m still paying about double what I used to, back when I already thought prices were too high. When I started driving in the late 80’s, I was upset when gas finally went over $1 a gallon. And I remember not too long ago thinking that $2 was outrageous. Now I’m supposed to act like a dumb dog and be grateful for eighteen cents a gallon savings? Whatever. This doesn’t solve our problem and I don’t think most Americans are so stupid that they’ll thinks it does. People want real solutions, not band-aids.

  • Doctor Biobrain, I think people are indeed this stupid. OTR truck drivers are staging a protest where they drive scores of multi-ton combustion engine vehicles on an unnecessary trip across the country, burning collectively tens of thousands of gallons of expensive, polluting diesel fuel, to protest how much it is costing them to buy diesel fuel.

    WTF?

  • Might Clinton’s windfall tax on the oil companies simply lead them to increase prices to make up profits? Might those prices, once bumped, not necessarily come all the way back down when we are done with our “holiday”? Who will benfit? Oil companies might be the biggest beneficiaries in this.

    Finally, if there is any immediate relief to be had in this, which I doubt, what of our pressing need to bolster the green industry and to decrease our dependence on oil for economic, environmental, and security reasons?

  • if you have a holiday for the gas tax, then the people who maintain your roads, bridges are out of the job. Do you want this job loss and economy downturn continue to accelerate? Obama didn’t support it for a good reason. We need the tax to keep people employed so they can feed their families. clinton and mccain are saying they support the holiday tax on gas because this is election season. They say whatever to get your vote. If you side with clinton and mccain, you are making more people to collect unemployment benefits. So go ahead if that is what you want, making another fellow american to lose their job. By the way, read the msn money, jim jubak (a top editor) explains why the gas prices is so high.

    1) it is demand (china, india, developing countries all want gas) and short supply (at least the ones the oil fields are supplying .

    2) Russia and venezula are short on CASH. They tax the oil production companys crazy ( so the oil company is profitting $34 on the books, the actual profit is only $8 because the russian and other oil producing countries takes the rest a whopping $27) NOW I AM NOT SUPPORTING THE OIL COMPANY , NO) in fact, we should wean ourself of off oil, create green jobs ASAP, Green industry can create MIllions of JOBS. YES YOU HEAR ME, MILLIONS OF JOBS. And put the oil industry to the graves or else force them to create green energy.

    So please educate yourselves before you choose your candidate, distinguish who is really on yourside. For me,Obama is on my side.

  • According to James Hamilton, a professor of economics at the University of California at San Diego, the benefits of a temporary tax moratorium would probably go to oil companies rather than consumers. He said states that suspend gas taxes are able to respond to rising demand more efficiently than the country as a whole, because gasoline supplies can be easily transferred from one state to another.

    “Prices would certainly rise to the market-clearing level,” Hamilton said. “I would expect the price to go back to very close to where it was before, in which case consumers would not see any benefit.”

  • Of course, Obama is right. Pandering with temporary measures in a campaign is stupid.

    The only thing that will help the US is a massive rethinking of how we do things. It seems that is what Obama is doing and will do.

  • Giving the tax payers a Tax holiday on gas tax’s will only encourage the oil companies to gouge us even more by the amount that was lifted as tax.
    18 or 20 cents gallon is not going to help us, what we need is for the oil companies to let the oil tankers to port and the refineries to wortk back up to 100% not 80%. This is what is causing the price increases.

  • CB wrote, “Obama “opposes giving consumers a break”? C’mon, the Clinton campaign is better than this.

    No…they’re not.

  • There is no reason to believe the gas companies will raise their prices to make up for the lost gas tax. And even if they do, there’s no reason to believe they won’t do the right thing and bring those prices down again after this temporary relief measure is over. No reason at all — except deranged hatred of Senator Clinton.

  • Sorry if this has already been said in the above comments, but many attempts have been made to pass legislation for wind-fall taxes on the oil companies…and all have failed. Hillary is quite aware of this and this is simply empty rhetoric on her part.

  • people’ll take out their angst on the candidates over an $.18 increase a couple months before the election? i doubt it. $.18 increases happen in a couple weeks now. people’ll be so fazed and dazed by then, they’ll be happy to see the prices back down slightly above $4 a gallon. if they do go down. we are getting F’d, royally, and yes mccain & clinton seem to want to streamline even MORE profits directly into the coffers of oil companies already making world record-breaking profits. unbelieveable. she seems to be trying to make it as difficult as possible for Democrats to support her; even ones who’ve already voted for her.
    aren’t gas taxes supposed to, like, do something? support infrastructure and etc etc. here in wisconsin, gas’s a little more expensive than some neighboring states, because we have relatively high taxes to address the environmental impact of gas & carbon emissions. god forbid we take that into account with the price of gas.

  • Shell and BP reported $13 BILLION in first quarter (combined) profits.

    That would be Billion with a B.

    That would be ONE quarter.

    That would be us getting bent over and fucked royally.

  • This is a republican scheme to remove a tax.

    Come October McCain will claim it worked beyond expectations, let’s make it permanent. So instead of keeping things the same with a no vote, politicians who vote no will actually be increasing taxes. Ya OK, just what they want to do with the general election a month away.

    At least HRC’s plan wouldn’t create a deficient in highway money.

    Why are politicians so god damn scared to tell Americans to watch it. No need for 100 mile mall trip on Saturday to get a pair of pants in the Hummer. When will someone have the balls to tell Americans to start conserving ? Oh wait, that guy Al Gore has, yet mention his name around conservatives and they laugh like little kids who just heard someone say ‘fart’. And in the same breathe complain about gas prices.

  • Okay, but with Summer fast approaching and consumers cancelling vacations and other leisure activity because of gas prices, a gas tax holiday (like the one proposed by Clinton) would at least stimulate the economy short-term. Isn’t the fact that we are in a recession and oil prices are rising (but not tied to supply and demand) important enough to help stimulate the economy temporarily during a crucial period?

    BTW: A little-noticed action occurring on Capitol Hill: Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Rep. Jay Inslee (D-WA-01)want to create an Oil and Gas Market Fraud Task Force at DOJ:

    Last week, Congressman Jay Inslee (D-WA-01) and I called for the creation of an Oil and Gas Market Fraud Task Force at the Department of Justice to root out potential fraud and manipulation in these critical markets. We sent a letter to President George W. Bush and Attorney General Michael Mukasey urging the new task force be created immediately. With record gas prices dragging our economy into a recession and $120 per barrel cost of oil that can’t be explained by historic market forces, a new Enron-style Task Force should be created to examine abnormalities in the oil and gas markets. The Department of Justice stepped in to help investigate Enron’s manipulation of electricity prices, now it needs to step up and investigate potential corruption in oil and gas markets.

    Energy market experts and the oil companies themselves have told us that current prices don’t make sense. An executive from Exxon Mobil testified earlier this month before Congress under oath that the price of oil should be $50 to $55 per barrel based on supply and demand fundamentals. In October 2007 the CEO of Marathon Oil, Clarence Cazalot Jr. said, “$100 oil isn’t justified by the physical demand in the market,” he said. “It has to be speculation on the futures market that is fueling this.”

    SOURCE: http://cantwell.senate.gov

  • MY FELLOW “BITTER”, STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE 🙂

    If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of “BITTER”!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. 🙁

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. 🙂

    Best regards

    jacksmith… Working Class 🙂

    p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you don’t know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering…

    You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. 🙂

    Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on…

    OBAMA AIDE: “WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS” 😮

    DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!…

  • DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!

    It’s time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

    Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her Pennsylvania victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources.

    But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

    Hillary Clinton say’s that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

    Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton’s have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

    If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

    Sen. Hillary Clinton: “You know, more people have now voted for me than have voted for my opponent. In fact, I now have more votes than anybody has ever had in a primary contest for a nomination. And it’s also clear that we’ve got nine more important contests to go.”

    Sincerely

    Jacksmith… Working Class 🙂

  • Mrs. Clinton’s proposal is flawed. If you add additional taxes on the oil companies, they will just increase prices to accomodate the increase cost. Her proposal sounds good, but in reality would offer no relief to people.

    If her thinking is I can reduce individuals tax burden (voters) and put the cost to businesses and individuals will benefit, she does not understand business economics at all.

    This proposal shows Mrs Clinton’s weakness and Mr Obama’s strength.

  • I don’t understand the criticism of Clinton’s proposed Gas Tax Break. It may not supply savings for a LONG TIME, but what is wrong with a little savings now while we wait for a bigger better Gas Tax Plan later??

  • At least Clinton has come up with SOMETHING, while Obama just stands there and tells people that HE is better than someone once again.

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