Clinton raises specter of a ‘dream ticket’ with Obama

As I understand it, both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are regularly asked about whether they’d consider running together on the Democratic ticket. Both have become quite adept at giving non-committal answers.

It’s why Clinton raised a few eyebrows this morning on CBS’s “The Early Show” when she gave an answer that was outside the norm.

Asked about running with Obama, Clinton said, “That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think that the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me.”

The Politico asked Obama the same question, and he was far more reluctant to stray from the usual message: “We are just focused on winning the nomination. That is my focus. I respect Sen. Clinton. She has been a tenacious opponent. It is premature to talk about a joint ticket.”

Of course, in light of Clinton’s surprising comment, it’s may not be “premature” anymore.

The last time this came up in earnest was at the Dems’ Los Angeles debate, when moderator Wolf Blitzer’s asked both candidates: “The more I speak to Democrats out there, not only to Democrats here at the Kodak Theater but all over the country, they take a look at the two of you and they see potentially a ‘dream ticket,’ a dream ticket for the White House. There may have been some nasty words exchanged, or angry words or whatever. But the question is this. Would you consider an Obama-Clinton or Clinton-Obama ticket going down the road?”

The audience not only applauded the idea enthusiastically, a fair amount of the spectators literally gave the question a standing ovation. It didn’t matter — the candidates employed artfully-worded dodges to steer clear of making any news with their answers

But now that Clinton has helped put the issue back on the table, it’s probably worth considering again. Mike Allen sees Clinton-Obama as more likely than the other way around.

Democratic strategists say Clinton would be more likely to pick Obama than vice versa, for two big reasons:

Obama has attracted tens of thousands of young supporters who are loyal to him, not to the Democratic Party. Clinton, on the other hand, has strong support among party regulars.

So if Clinton became the nominee, inviting Obama aboard her ticket would help keep that support. Obama might be reluctant to join, figuring that if Clinton lost, he’d be able to run for the top job four years later. But he might accept her invitation at the behest of the party.

Obama would have much less reason to pick Clinton. He has made his campaign about the future, and her presence on the ticket would complicate that message. And she has not brought in voters he would automatically have trouble attracting.

That sounds about right to me, though I still find it hard to believe these two will pair up.

Allen argued that Clinton is more likely to tap Obama than the other way around, but wouldn’t it be a little awkward? Clinton has based much of her campaign on the argument that Obama isn’t ready to lead, can’t offer solutions, is of questionable ethics, can’t be relied upon in the event of a crisis, and isn’t even as strong as the Republican candidate when it comes to experience. Then, all of a sudden, she’s going to turn around and insist that Obama should be one heartbeat from the presidency?

I also have trouble how this pitch would go to Obama at the convention: “Barack, congratulations. You won more delegates, more states, more votes, and raised more money. You now get to be the #2 person on the ticket.” Hmm.

As for the inverse — an Obama/Clinton ticket — nominees tend to look for running mates who bring something important to the table: a regional balance, an ideological balance, a key constituency, etc. I’m not sure what Clinton would bring to Obama’s ticket.

When Clinton said this morning that teaming her and Obama up “may be where this is headed,” I suspect she meant that it’d be the logical conclusion given that they’re the last two Democrats standing, and neither one is going away anytime soon. Still, I just don’t see it.

The offer of a Clinton-Obama ticket is clever.

She offer’s this knowing that he has no reason to accept second billing (considering he will most likely enter the convention with the most delegates). However, he will not offer the alternative (Obama-Clinton) because he can find other running mates that can help in the general election more than she can (some of whom have been discussed in other posts on this site).

However, she will get to claim that she is trying to “pull together” for the good of the party (conveniently forgetting her comments negatively comparing her party’s front runner to the opposition’s front runner). I suspect people will evaluate how sincere this is based on who they currently support for the nomination.

In any case, while I don’t think it is sincere, I don’t object to her trying.

  • the advantage of talking about the dream ticket is it appeases Obama fans.. a lot of tentative Obama supporters are infatuated with him but are nervous about his aura of inexperience and lightness. They’d cling to the idea of having a Sith-like setup with Hillary the master and Obama the apprentice (VP), ready to take over once his innate talents have been nurtured by Hillary.

    Thus, Obama fans might vote for Hillary thinking she’s going to take Obama as VP.

  • Tamalak @ 2,

    I guess I don’t see it. Most people I know like Obama because he is different than Hillary. And most would be turned off by the idea that he is just a “Hillary in training”.

  • Geez, after how poorly she’s portrayed him in the last couple of weeks, you’d think she’d be hesitant to have such an inexperience, hollow suit as her running mate.

    Whatever, Clinton, you disingenuous puke.

  • There may be some calculus that says in such a close match-up, getting both will make voters more likely to put you at the top of the ticket. “I can’t decide, so I’ll take both.”

    I prefer the Obama/Clinton matchup: make her Cheney, since Obama has all the qualities one wants in the bully-pulpit: charisma, likeability, and ability to inspire and communicate. So, I’m not sure this is smart for her to float, since people would rather have her in the trenches.

    I think it’s more likely that McCain chooses Leiberman. Leiberman is certainly setting himself up for it, and he’s not looking forward to losing all his assignments when the Dems get their Leiberproof majority.

  • Sorry to disappoint Wolf Blitzer, but I don’t see a joint ticket happening at all.

    Obama can’t pick Clinton because he’s painted her (correctly, in my view) as part of the entrenched status quo he wants to challenge. Clinton might want him as her #2, but I think that’s equally unlikely given the issues Steve raises, plus the very real possibility that the true #2 power in Hillary’s White House would be her husband. Obama has to know he’d be marginalized.

    For those of you just joining us, I am sorry — I REPEAT, I am sorry — to disappoint Wolf Blitzer.

  • As for balancing the ticket — I find it interesting that the breakdown of counties going for Obama or Clinton is pretty much down-the-line Red State/Blue State. Hillary brings in rural voters, Obama the big cities.

  • Clinton obviously does bring key constituencies — white women and Hispanics, for example.

  • “Inexperienced” is not a knock for a VP. The presumption is that they will get experience while on the ground. In fact, making the “inexperienced” argument the centerpice is a nice move if she plans to try to offer him the VP slot. She poses the question with one hand and has the answer ready in the other.

    The question is whether Obama would like a VP slot in a Clinton administration. And that would completely depend on whether he thinks that Clinton is likely to have a successful run in the general AND a successful 8 years as president. My magic 8-ball says “Future is cloudy – ask again later” as far as both of those are concerned.

  • You know, as much as I’d like Obama at the top of the ticket (which is where he still may up at), I like this idea. A lot.

    I know, I know … Obama probably wouldn’t accept it, and there’s always the “Bill as de facto VP” thing, which, if she does get the nom, anyone will have to deal with in some way.

    But it really, really would be what’s best for the party AND the country, and here’s why (IMHO).

    First, as a duo they are formidable campaigners. Even with all the internal issues with Clinton’s camp, she’s still managed to survive where other candidates would have melted. And we all know about how Obama can fire up a crowd.

    Secondly, the biggest knock on Obama is experience. Serving 4 – 8 years as Veep would set him up perfectly for a 2016 run. The guy would basically be unstoppable, as long as everything went well (which I think it would).

    Third, both are incredibly respected around the world. Most folks overseas saw Bill’s terms as very good, and the focus on his sex life ridiculous (especially since it’s common with leaders in Europe … hell, it’s nearly expected). So she’s got that. And recent reports stated that other world leaders are very impressed with Obama and his message.

    Fourth, since both are real close on most policy issues, there’s not much work to do there.

    Fifth, them together wouldn’t just win in November — they would DESTROY McCain.

    Sixth, if Obama does not get the nod, I get the feeling many younger voters who are supporting him may get disillusioned if he doesn’t get the nomination and is totally shut out. By having him as VP, you get to keep those younger voters active and engaged, and they will become donors by the time he runs (since they’ll be out of college and have more money … in theory, anyway).

    Seventh, simply put, the Democratic party has, through Obama, a chance to make an entire generation more politically active and, better yet, Democratic supporters. That can in no way be underestimated.

    And, finally, there’s just history — a woman AND an Af.Am. on the same ticket, with a high probability of winning the general election? Wow …

    There’s just so many positives to this.

    Sadly, it has about as much chance of happening as me being named Brett Favre’s replacement.

  • Obama has earned the nomination, Hillary hasn’t. There is no basis on which anyone can reasonably argue for her being at the top of the ticket. If she somehow managed to wrest the nomination from him at this point, it would damage the party grievously. Why in the world, in the face of the kind of electoral opportunity with which we’re presented, does this party seem so intent on self-inflicting wounds that might take a generation to heal?

  • Memekiller @ 5

    While McCain and Leiberman are compatible, I think the Republican base would go ballistic. They already have indigestion from having to swallow McCain as the nominee. Unless he partners up with far better conservative credibility, they will start reaching for the ex-lax.

  • Obama is no McCaint. I don’t think he would suck up to a person who has campaigned negatively against him.

    Clinton-Obama would be an interesting variation because usually the vp is chosen to be an attack dog like Cheney/Agnew/Quail (and attack puppy?). To have a VP of Inspiration would be a refreshing change. Barry and Hillary would be B(ill)arry.

    But Obama is the legal nominee anyway.

    One nice thing about Bill being out of the picture is that you can refer to Clinton and be talking about Hillary.

  • A few points;

    Obama has nothing to gain by being the losing VP candidate. Most people who are not partisan democrats see no way HRC wins against McCain in the general election. Furthermore, until Bill’s role is defined in the campaign and administration, you’d have to be INSANE to take that job.

    If HRC were Obama’s VP candidate she would not bring any constituency to the table that Obama was not already going to win. Nor is her self proclaimed “experience” enough to offset McCain’s claims of superior experience.

    You need to run a different kind of campaign than McCain will run. McCain will be able to run HRC’s primary ads against her in the general election.

    Finally, if HRC does not believe BO is qualified to be commander in chief, how could she consider him as a running mate?

  • I agree with you that it’s implausible, but Mike Allen’s analysis, and yours, seem to look at the question from the perspective of a situation in which one candidate has already obtained the nomination. The way the question has been posed as I’ve seen it, and what Clinton seemed to be getting at today, envisioned a joint ticket as a compromise to be entered into prior to the convention as a way of avoiding a bare-knuckled fight at the convention. That changes the analysis a bit, I think; the fact that neither Clinton nor Obama would be inclined (or have much incentive) to choose the other as a running mate after the nomination has been settled doesn’t necessary mean they would have no reason to work out a joint ticket compromise prior to that point. But I still don’t see it happening; Obama, as you point out, is winning in delegates, states, and money, and would have no reason to accept the VP slot, while I just don’t see Clinton being willing to take the second seat even though she is in an objectively weaker position (though perhaps her statements this morning were an opening bid?).

  • You won more delegates, more states, more votes, and raised more money. You now get to be the #2 person on the ticket.

    Not gonna happen. Clinton can seek to carry this heir of inevitability all the way to her grave if she wants…but Obama is already our Democratic nominee. Game over.

  • It’s not going to happen but the ideal running mate for Obama would be Colin Powell.

    Powell would have to make a public mea culpa for the UN fiasco (but if all congressional dems can do it, why not). But it would emphasize the bringing the country together theme and it would make Obama unassailable on security issues.

  • Clinton obviously does bring key constituencies — white women and Hispanics, for example. -Chris O.

    She’s hardly the only one who does that. Let’s not take two Senators out of the Senate please, especailly two with such polar views on how to manage the job.

    “Inexperienced” is not a knock for a VP. The presumption is that they will get experience while on the ground. -NonyNony

    I completely disagree. A VP has to be as ready as a President to be President at all times. Obama is qualified, sure, but Hillary has hardly been painting him with that brush.

    And no, Obama wouldn’t tie himself to someone so divisive and counterproductive to his careers message.

    Obama has nothing to gain by being the losing VP candidate. -Erik in Maine

    Well said. Slow clap.

    If Clinton steals this from Obama, he’ll run again in 2012 against McCain.

  • The nightmare of Hillary, the Republican-lite, pasty-white old Queen of Slime, continues as she crawls out of her foul fetid swamp of smears, racism, lies and fears…

  • I’ve been making this argument for weeks in this and other blog’s comments, Hillary can stand up to the fear campaign that the republicans are going to start, Obama clearly cannot, they are going to attack his credibility and frankly too much has come out lately which they will take advantage of, his spoken untruths (whether or not he knew he was lying) regarding members of his campaign meeting secretly with the Canadian government, and his many other gaffes and liberal stances, unpopular with many independents and conservatives.

    Obama should concede and let Hillary lead the ticket and sign on as VP. Besides, he will not be so far ahead if Florida & Michigan have a re-vote or the delegates seated based on the existing results.

    Don’t forget that NOT ALL SUPERDELEGATES are going to be so easy to bully into submission, and they have a responsibility to do what is right for the party.

    Does anybody have any idea what the exit polls add up to for the % of actual democrats (not independents and republicans) have voted? I think this would be nice to know, certainly it should be considered HEAVILY by the supers.

  • I would make it all that much harder to obtain the 60 votes needed in the Senate to get rid of the republican obstructionist tactics.

    Taking 2 senators out of it… Not good. Hillary should consider being the Majority Leader, and use her tactics against the republicans, make them scamper and whimper.

    Let’s keep our eyes on the big prize: Congressional control. SCOTUS nominations, competent people appointed to government posts.

    The VP needs to be a non-senator.

  • “Clinton has based much of her campaign on the argument that Obama isn’t ready to lead, can’t offer solutions, is of questionable ethics, can’t be relied upon in the event of a crisis, and isn’t even as strong as the Republican candidate when it comes to experience.”

    I would argue that being the VP would give Obama all these things. And I would argue that he could use them. Then he would be ready, and still young at 55 years of age, to be President in 2016.

  • Erik in Maine @ 14

    “If HRC were Obama’s VP candidate she would not bring any constituency to the table that Obama was not already going to win.”

    Are you kidding me? Do you know how many people, mostly conservatives and moderates, have outright refused to vote for Obama due to lack of experience? We will have an experienced commander in chief, if not Clinton, then McCain.. you can mark my words.

    The majority of the American people are not as liberal as some of the people posting comments in this and other far left blogs (YES this includes many democrats) and with continued scrutiny by the media (about frickin time), his campaign is based on a single speech when he had no real responsibility and was not privy to the confidential intelligence reports given to Congress, and it will fizzle out quickly.

  • The way Clinton is running her campaign, I cannot for the life of me imagine anyone liking this combination. Either you are for rules, or you are against them. For unity or for revenge at all costs. For inspiration or against it. You get the picture.

  • I would argue that being the VP would give Obama all these things. – Jim G

    Vice Presidents should have the experience to be President. Their job may demand that of them at any time, EVEN 3 AM! Obviously Obama is not capable of making decisions at 3 AM, so he is therefore not qualified to be President.

    Please, people, stop treating the Vice Presidency as a prerequisite for being President. The qualifications for the job are EXACTLY THE SAME.

    Either you’ve got it or you don’t.

    And please, stop promoting the idea of a ballot with two Senators. It’s just not going to happen. Look to the West for a Governor.

    Hillary can stand up to the fear campaign that the republicans are going to start… -Greg

    What makes you say that? No one has used fearmongering bullshit against her. Just because she says she’s ready on day one at 3 AM doesn’t mean McCain can’t say she’s not. Do you honestly think if it comes down the people motivated by fear that Clinton will beat McCain? That’s naive.

  • Taking 2 senators out of it… Not good.

    Both states have Democratic governors, so they’d be replaced by Democrats anyway.

    But still, I agree, two senators isn’t a winning formula this year.

  • Publicty stunt. Nothing more.

    Hillary to voters: “Oh if you really like Obama all that much, don’t worry your little heads, I’ll put him on my ticket as VP … so NOW you can vote for MEEEEEE !!”

    Meanwhile she’s doing everything she can to trash him.
    Very cute.

  • Do you know how many people, mostly conservatives and moderates, have outright refused to vote for Obama due to lack of experience? -Greg

    Serious, shut the fuck up with the inexperience argument. It crosses the line into douche bag territory. You’ve been commenting here long enough to know it’s total bullshit, so continuing to repeat it is nothing but willful trolling.

    Any conservative or moderate who isn’t voting for Obama for that reason wasn’t going to vote for him anyway because it only takes half a brain and five minutes to find Obama’s relevant experience.

    I swear, Rush comes out and tries to skew the primary for Clinton, and all of sudden her barnacles are all concerned about who Moderates and Republicans vote for.

    …his campaign is based on a single speech when he had no real responsibility… -Greg

    Ah, delving deeper into fuckwit territory with that one.

    You’re nothing but a talking point troll.

  • She is delusional.
    And I mean that literally.

    One of trappings of power is that it liberates one’s ego from any sort of feedback loop that might dampen its swing. That is what you we seeing here, an ego that has no clue how others (particularly Barack Obama) regard her. †

    This is one sick puppy.
    And she is going to get her comeuppance in due time…


    She is roundly hated, has no chance of being president, and even less chance of being Vice President. Exit polls tell us her voters are democrats who are dumb and uneducated or hispanic. That is not the sort of stuff that should give anyone an exaggerated opinion of oneself… but this is a Clinton: One sick puppy. As out of touch with reality as Bush.

  • Chuck Todd made an interesting point about this topic on Morning Joe this morning. His comment was (paraphrasing):

    Both candidates may be getting to the point where they can no longer avoid putting the other on their ticket.

    I think he means that the longer this goes on, the more entrenched their supporters become. Obama needs a Clinton VP to pick up her supporters, and vice versa for Clinton and an Obama VP. I have heard this called a dream ticket, but this is the first time I have heard anyone describe it as a necessity.

  • Greg @ 24

    I don’t see how Clinton comes off as an “experienced” commander in chief. What leads you to believe this. Sitting on a committee does not make you a leader.

    She, like the rest of the candidates, would rely on input given to them from the Pentagon and their own advisers. They would then evaluate what they are told and come to some decision as to what the US should do. I think Obama can readily make the case that he will make better decisions than either Hillary or McCain (using their own history of decisions).

    Picking a respected VP with strong military ties would help Obama far more than teaming with Clinton.

  • Clinton raises specter of a ‘dream ticket’ with Obama

    The specter of a dream ticket sounds like a nightmare.

    This would cause Senator McKelvey (Dim-Wit) to blow steam out his ears and opinions out his ass. Oh wait he already does.

  • Obama has a far better prize than vp to dangle.

    Offer her SCOTUS. It better suits her ego and ambitions.

  • Exit polls tell us her voters are democrats who are dumb and uneducated or hispanic.

    Oops. My bad.
    I didn’t mean dumb. I wanted that to read:

    Exit polls tell us her voters are democrats who are old and uneducated or hispanic.

  • Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton. Not… gonna… happen. But Clinton brought it up first, so if Obama demurs, he’s the one who looks ungracious. Clinton’s fighting to get as close as she can in delegates before the convention, supers included. She’s going to twist a lot of arms and call in a lot of favors between now and then and don’t forget who the supers are — many of them owe the Clintons for past favors. She’ll try to get MI and FL seated, which probably won’t fly, but may force a do-over, which could get her more delegates,bringing her close enough (between those states and supers) to block Obama on the first ballot. Then it’s wide open. I think this has to be their strategy, no? If it all comes down to the supers, the Clintons believe they have the advantage. If she locks up enough of them BEFORE the convention, it will (at least in the Clintons’ minds) blunt the “overturning the will of the people” argument. They may be in for a rude awakening.

  • Here’s some Machiavellian advice for Obama. Step aside for Hillary at the convention in a gracious, moving speech that only you can deliver. Decline the vice-presidential offer, and go out and campaign for senators and congressmen during the fall that supported your presidential bid. Watch with feigned horror when Hillary loses to McCain in the general, but enjoy the extra political capital that you’ll gain in the Senate and House to lead Democratic opposition to McCain.

    The economy will go down the toilet, McCain will get us into at least two new wars, and by the time 2012 rolls around you’ll be the most powerful Democrat in the country and you can easily win the primary and probably the general.

    We would all like Obama to be the next Kennedy, but let’s face it, in the 1960s the demographic was skewing young. Now, the demographic is skewing old and Hillary/McCain will have a lock on that demographic. We’ll just have to wait until they die to fix this country’s problems.

  • I wouldn’t mind Hillary Clinton as the VP choice for Obama, mainly because I worry about the nutjobs assassinating him and the same bigots who would think about it also would be reluctant to make her President as a result. Of course that could be off base, they might be like Rush and look forward to being able to bitch 24/7 about the Clintons again. Republicans thrive when they know who they’re supposed to hate.

    OTOH, I still would be very reluctant to vote for Hillary in the general even with Obama as her VP choice. I know on paper her campaign is running on pretty much the same platform he is but I really don’t think the country can take another Imperial President and I firmly believe she will use all of the authority Bush has usurped (mainly because Bush defenders are right to a degree, Bill Clinton did set a horrible precedent for abuses like rendition that the current administration has since taken to extremes).

    I understand people believe we should vote for the Democrat no matter what to protect the Supreme Court nominations if nothing else, but Stevens and Souter were both Republican appointees so it wouldn’t necessarily be disastrous. I personally still have some small hope that should another Scalia or Alito be appointed then Roberts might come out of the closet as a gay man and start voting more liberally. The Supreme Court tends to try to balance itself at least somewhat so it doesn’t go to extremes that are too far out of step with the country as a whole.

  • HRC is getting better and better at talking out both sides of her mouth from one minute to the next. She derides and dismisses the guy for two weeks, saying he has nothing to offer and isn’t ready to be president — but that doesn’t rule out that his qualification to be her VP? This is the kind of shameless pandering and irrationality we blast Republicans for. Clinton/Lieberman I’d buy.

  • So he’s too risky to be president, but VP is OK? She will never have him as her VP. Bill would not allow it. And Obama does not want to be sidelined by Bill.

    This is nothing more than a diabolical way to make Obama-leaning voters think voting for her is a safe bet.

  • #34 Erik – Hillary on SCOTUS? Get the mop out because there are going to be a lot of heads exploding in those chambers. Watching Hillary and Scalia locked in a cage match for eternity would be quite entertaining.

    On Hill’s floating the idea of Barack as VP, it is a publicity stunt that makes her look the she has all the momentum and should be considered the frontrunner. It’s a good calculated move on her part, though I doubt she really means it. The smart retort from the interviewer would have been, “So if Barack gets the nomination would you be his Veep?” If Hill didn’t immediately say “Of course!” with enthusiasm than all the talk of the being a dream ticket would be exposed as the BS it appears to be. Saying this after hitting him with the “kitchen sink” sure is pouring salt on the wound.

  • Forgive me if somebody already nailed this, but Hillary is essentially applying the same tactic that George Bush applied when the votes were being recounted in Florida…display an air of inevitability…i.e. “I won Ohio, therefore I am the nominee.”

    However, it was different then because Bush actually stood a chance. In Hillary’s case, she’s already lost.

  • She needs to drop out now. She’s determined to take her losing fight to the convention. If she refuses to concede despite his delegate lead, when the dust settles, our nominee will be fatally wounded and have no chance in November.

    Obama may be DOA already, thanks to Clinton’s craven ambition to be president at all costs.

    The other day she handed McCain a soundbite taylor-made for an effective McCain ad, a message he’ll gleefully approve. He’ll use her statement that he has more experience to be president than Obama, and portray it as an endorsement.

    The tagline: “If even Democrats don’t believe Obama will make a good president, why should you?

    And a Clinton nomination would mobilize the right wing as never before. They’re prepared to go all out to destroy her. They already have an advantage: half the country hates her guts, and has for years.

  • #34 Erik – Hillary on SCOTUS? Get the mop out because there are going to be a lot of heads exploding in those chambers. Watching Hillary and Scalia locked in a cage match for eternity would be quite entertaining.

    Year and years of enjoyment. It would be awesome to watch.

  • Yes, the last thing the RNC would want too see is a Clinton/Obama ticket because that would mean they wouldn’t have an decent opening to the Oval Office until 2024. And I don’t know where I’ll be by then, but I won’t smell very good.

  • The obvious answer that Obama should have given — I am surprised that Sen. Clinton is considering the Vice Presidency right now. But I think it is premature to discuss the possibility of her joining my ticket.

    The tone of even a primary campaign has obviously changed. That Clinton has dominated the news for the past week demonstrates that her fear and smear campaign is having its deseired effect. Obama CAN NOT sit back and not adopt the same tactics, as obnoxious as it might seem. Repeating Dukakis, Kerry, and even Gore mistakes will not serve his purpose. Slam her now, and hard. There’s plenty of material.

  • Imagine 16 years of peace and prosperity.

    According to a Pew research poll released yesterday 25% of Clintons supporters would either vote for McCain or not vote if Obama were the nominee. The same poll says that 10% of Obamas supporters would either vote for MCCain or stay home if Clinton were the nominee.

    Startling numbers if you look at them.

  • For the Obama supporters who think it is a good idea for him to take the VP slot for 8 years, and then be a shoe-in in 2016…history is NOT on your side. Only one person has served as VP for two terms and then been elected President, Bush 41. Only one other sitting VP has been elected President – Jefferson in 1800.

    Politics is cyclical, and typically the American people get sick of the party in the White House about every 8 years on average. So no matter how great you think a Clinton/Obama White House would you, you should face the political facts that by the end of two terms, Clinton will have pissed off enough conservatives and moderates that it will basically be Bush 43 in reverse…people so pissed off at the Republicans that they would elect Daffy Duck on a Democratic ticket.

    And…for those who want to bring up Al Gore…you can believe whatever you want about who won that election, but the fact is that if the country was happy with Bill Clinton’s Presidency, then he should have coasted to victory. So to think that Obama can get 8 year’s worth of experience and then be handed the Presidency is “hope”lessly naive.

  • Having HRC on the ticket, whether as VP or as P, is poison. I don’t see how it would be in the party’s best interest to put her anywhere on the ticket. If the party is really that afraid of her, it seems like a bad move to give her more power.

  • Obama/Hillary? Awesome! I’m investing my life savings on a life policy on the black dude.

  • From 50:

    Only one person has served as VP for two terms and then been elected President, Bush 41. Only one other sitting VP has been elected President – Jefferson in 1800.

    You forgot Martin Van Buren, who was his immediate predecessor Andrew Jackson’s VP.

    But I agree that this is an idea that doesn’t fly. While Obama and Clinton are fairly close on the issues, I think that their ideas on how the party should operate (50 state strategy vs 51% is enough, Big donors vs grass roots, top down vs bottoms-up) are two different, and I don’t see the vice presidency as a vehicle for changing things. I also wonder how much the Big Dog as First Laddie will cast a shadow over the Vice President.

  • I’m sure there’s some sort of tactical reason she would suggest this, I think chrisbo in the first post was right on the money.

    Oh who would be either candidate’s VP choice… they’re probably going for the same candidate. Some guy with experience: Bill Richardson, Bayh, Welsley Clark. Though since McCain probably has the experience vote wrapped-up, there might be an option for a more interesting choice…. to be quite honest, I don’t see why either candidate would settle for the other when they have quite a pool open for them.

  • I don’t see Clinton getting the top spot without more delegates. While I might like the team-up, I think that Obama would be a better VP than Clinton, just because of his skill set. If she can’t top him with the remaining contests – and she needs to win the remainder to do so – she won’t get the top spot.

    However, I think you’re mistaken when you say she brings nothing to the table as a VP. She has deep connections with Democrats (the conservative kind, not the kind who want to reach across the aisle), women and queer activists (she knows how to manage team and message diversity.) She also represents the solid, less fickle side of the centrist Democratic party… Which Obama seems to have trouble holding.

    Remember, he’s said lots of nice liberal things, but he’s only backed up a handful. One of the things he hasn’t backed up with actions is moving on Iraq.

  • By the way, there are six Obama supporters in this thread saying they wouldn’t vote for Clinton in the general election and zero posts saying the opposite.

    Take that what you will, but it is a repeated theme here…

  • Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama:

    Dear Madam, and Sir,

    A Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama ticket is what we want. And that is what we need to take back the Whitehouse. We want a smart, tough, idealistic, seasoned veteran of many battles fighting for the American people (Hillary Clinton). With a young, passionate, smart, open-minded, hard-working idealist fighting for the American people (Barrack Obama). The DREAM TEAM!

    You are both fabulous candidates. And we, the American people are very fortunate to have each of you. Taking back the Whitehouse is critical for the American people, and the world at this time. And I think the American people have been saying loudly, and clearly that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket is the best way to do this.

    I think the American people have made it very clear that they feel Hillary Clinton is the one best able to lead the ticket against John McCain at this critical, and desperate time in America, and around the world. These dramatic comebacks are testament to Hillary Clinton’s skill, and experience as a fighter for the American people. They are also a testament to the strong desire of the American people to have both of you fighting for the American people at this time of midnight in America.

    Typical of the Clinton’s is an uncanny ability to see and understand what the American people want. And then to try and get it for them. Even if they have to go through three political near death experiences to try and get it for the American people. This is classic Clinton’s. They are the best I have ever seen.

    We are desperate out here. Millions of us are suffering greatly. And tens of thousands of us are dying needlessly every year. Men, women, children, and babies. We need help! As Hillary Clinton said “It’s not a game”. We need the two of you together on our side fighting for us, and for the American dream for all. Not fighting against each other anymore.

    It’s time for you Senator Obama to join forces with Hillary Clinton as her running mate so that we can all focus our energies, and resources on taking back America for the American people.

    Don’t make me hurt you. 🙂

    Sincerely

    Jacksmith…

  • Wouldn’t it be nice if just for once politicians actually gave the American public what they so obviously want – a Clinton/Obama ticket. What a shame that even though it so sincerely resonates throughout the nation that the people look to this as a “dream ticket” the pundits say it will never happen. I remember when I was young my parents telling me that our elected officials are there to act as OUR voice and do OUR bidding. Having a Clinton/Obama team might be one way to enfranchise all those who, after eight years of Bush, feel terribly disenfranchised.

  • As much as I agree that it might help the party, I simply don’t see the advantage of a Clinton/Obama ticket to Obama. He has formed a really powerful coalition of nee voters and progressives ready for change. Taking a VP slot, the most useless job in Washington – especially in a Clinton administration (assuming she wins) – is basically giving all that up and taking an 8 year break from politics. Why on earth would he ever do it if he has any political ambition at all, which he clearly does?

    Right now, he is the biggest political star in the party. Even as a Senator he would have more political “profile” and a better chance to transform and further progressive politics than sitting around waiting to break a tie in the Senate and he has far better options than remaining in the Senate. Seriously, even contemplating VP, whatever else happens, would be an incredibly dumb move. Barack is not a dumb guy.

  • I would like to see Obama as President, Hilary Clinton and Bill Clinton, (a joint appointment) as Secretaries of State, James Webb as Secretary of Defence, Edwards as Health and Human Services, Corey A. Booker as Housing and Urban Development, George Soros as Treasury Secretary and I will encourage Mr Obama to choose his own VP.
    There, those problems are solved!
    DC

  • Its another case of Clintonian strategy: By suggesting a dream ticket, she is telling everyone — vote for me and then as a twofer you get Obama as the VP. Won’t happen the other way around, so if you want the both of us, vote for me.

    Sickening. I tell you, if Hillary steals this nomination, I just won’t vote in the general. I used to say I would vote McCain instead…but what’s the difference…I would rather just sit this one out. Obama has made me excited about politics like no one else ever has. If he loses, I will be heartsick. Hillary is hated by too much of the country — whether rightly or wrongly — and I am sick of divisive politics. It will just be another four years of fighting and gridlock. Great.

  • I like the thought of Obama/Hillary. I think this really is a case where a combo ticket can bring the party together for the election. Hillary/Obama… I am less happy with, but I still think its a better idea than Hillary/RelativelyNoName.

    Let’s just get Edwards AG baby. Hell yea.

  • Brilliant analysis by Tamalak. Steal some rubbery Obama supporters on the premise that she might offer him the number 2.

    I’m very amused by the posters who think politics will suddenly become a saintly haven and America lifted to new heights of heavenly splendour if BO was to win the presidency. They’ve been reading too many Harry Potter books — and the age is about right as well.

  • We are fortunate to have Hillary Clinton as a candidate? Really??? The American people clearly want an Obama-Clinton or Clinton-Obama ticket? Based on what? AS several have already ointed out here, these two are opposites in many regards — not so much where policy is concerned, but more importantly where political process is concerned. People who support Obama are after something that Clinton can never deliver.
    This nightmare ticket can only be seen as a dream by those who don’t understand what Obama is about.
    Also, well-stated above, whoever said that this is all a Clinton strategy to get Obama supporters to feel it’s OK to vote for her because we’ll get our Obama that way. Disgusting.

  • The vitriol expended in some of these posts is both sad and naive. This is a political fight, not a mutual admiration society and for once it would be nice to see some realism among the true believers – on both sides. Stealing the nomination? The Democratic Party made the rules and will need to live with them and there is no evidence that either side is breaking the rules. Maneuvering. Bending. Presenting differing viewpoints to pursuade both the electorate and super-delegates. That’s the way it is and at times it can get very, very brutal. If some of the supporters of either side are so stupid as to sit this out in November because they did not get what they wanted, they will get what they deserve. Stop whinning. Get over it or grow-up.

  • I’m very amused by the posters who think politics will suddenly become a saintly haven and America lifted to new heights of heavenly splendour if BO was to win the presidency. They’ve been reading too many Harry Potter books — and the age is about right as well.

    You are, of course, amusing yourself with a man of straw. No posters have suggested anything of the sort and your assumptions about their “age” are part of your own fantasy.

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