Clinton recognizes the shift in the political winds — but she’s still not going anywhere

Just this morning, it started to look to me as if the Democratic floodgates were beginning to crack, in earnest, for the first time. Bob Casey, who had professed neutrality, backed Obama. Howard Dean started publicly expressing his overwhelming patience with the status quo, and then Chris Dodd did the same thing, urging the party to get behind Obama. Pat Leahy, with surprising bluntness, called on Clinton to end the contest.

Spread out over a couple of weeks, these developments may not look like much, but when all of these instances occur in one morning, one starts to get the sense that the Democratic establishment not only wants to see the nominating race come to an end, but are prepared to help make that happen.

Given this, it’s hard not to imagine what Hillary Clinton is thinking. Sure, when asked, she offers nothing but confidence and upbeat assessments about the state of the race, but in her heart of hearts, she surely recognizes the very long odds she faces.

In an interesting new report in Time, Mark Halperin and James Carney explain that Clinton is well aware of reality, but feels the need to keep fighting.

Clinton believes Obama’s support is largely a mirage — a bunch of true believers whose passion might help him cinch the nomination, but that may prove an insufficient bedrock for winning a general election when the spell might be broken by tough questions about national-security credentials, economic-policy plans and rich experience. She can’t stop from shaking her head in disbelief when longtime friends who are elected officials inform her that they are going to endorse Obama and were chiefly convinced by their children’s enthusiasm for his candidacy.

But this argument has taken a hit in recent weeks as Clinton has found herself on the defensive about her experience as First Lady. On a variety of domestic and international issues, information has emerged that calls into question the extent of Clinton’s policy involvement in the 1990s. And she was recently embarrassed by revelations that a 1996 trip to Bosnia was far less dangerous and dramatic than in her campaign-stump retelling.

That leaves the strategy Clinton is turning to more frequently — trying to define Obama on her terms. According to those close to her, she is hoping that as spring becomes summer, the potential for finding another skeleton or two in Obama’s closet will prove him ultimately unelectable in the fall.

The article added, “When Clinton closes her eyes, she sees John McCain triumphing in November against Obama in a contest she believes she would win.”

This isn’t especially surprising.

First, it helps explain Clinton’s motivation facing hurdles she likely can’t clear. The assumption in some circles has been malicious motives — Jonathan Chait argued this week that Clinton is “acting as if she doesn’t care about the Democratic Party’s interests at all, except insofar as they coincide with her own.”

But the Clinton perspective reflected in the Time article is in line with what I suggested the other day. Clinton really believes Obama would lose, so in order to protect the party’s interests, she has to keep fighting. (I happen to think Clinton is mistaken in this assumption, but I don’t doubt her sincerity on the point.) In this sense, as far as Clinton is concerned, her interests and the party’s interests are one and the same.

Which leads me to the second point: every presidential candidate in a tough primary closes his or her eyes, sees the other side winning, and feels the need to fight on for the good of the party and the country. This isn’t unusual; it’s the norm. The difference is, we don’t usually have a one-on-one contest that will remain technically unsettled by the time all the primaries and caucuses are over.

Indeed, it’s the inevitable byproduct of a campaign bubble. Clinton believes she has to stay in for the good of the party, she’s surrounded by aides who believe the same thing, and she goes to rallies surrounded by supporters who offer responses like this one:

Before presenting her economic plan at a rally [in Mishawaka, Ind.] today, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton opened with a piece of political commentary: “There are some people who are saying, you know, we really ought to end this primary, we just ought to shut it down.”

“No!” boomed the crowd, which filled every seat in a cavernous high school gymnasium.

The next question, though, is figuring out just how much say Clinton will have in the matter. She told her supporters that there are “some people” who want to end the process. She’s right; there are. But if “some people” becomes “most of the party,” and the floodgates really do burst, what Clinton imagines when she “closes her eyes” won’t make any difference.

Are there really large numbers of elected officials who were persuaded to support Obama by their children’s enthusiasm? I find that a bit hard to believe.

  • I know Clinton’s proposals are similar to Obama’s but her style and attachment to the status quo are simply McCain-light. If your experience is all in doing the wrong thing then experience don’t mean much.

  • Is it just me, or is her attitude colossally patronizing? She knows better than all of us deluded participants-in-a-mirage, huh?

    I have news for Hillary. There are a whole lot uf us who are not swept away by the Obama “magic.” Some of us see a hightly intelligent and decent guy who may have a chance at making things different.

    And when we look at her we see someone so invested in the way things are that she has no chance of changing much of anything.

    I have to say, the more I hear from her, the less I like her.

  • she is hoping that as spring becomes summer, the potential for finding another skeleton or two in Obama’s closet

    I suspected that was her strategy all along. I dunno about you guys, but that smells a bit racist. If he was a white dude, would she be betting her political career on some kind of huge skeleton to come out?

    Maybe it’s just me, but that isn’t a strategy as much as it’s a personal problem. At what point do you admit your opponent probably isn’t going to implode? At the convention? And if your entire strategy is to wait for a skeleton to come out of your opponent’s closet, will your people not try to help that process along?

  • How insulting to the majority of people who have voted in the Democratic primaries. Could Clinton get anymore egotistical? Do. Not. Want.

  • I find it difficult to understand why Clinton can’t see how much she is detested by Heartland America, Nascarman, and others of that ilk. CDS has been around for a long time. Judging by the e-mail that is sent to me by one of that crowd, they’re still more hostile towards her than Obama. That may change, but considering the frothing at the mouth that she inspires in the “Base” her negatives remain higher. She could really lose the election more easily than Obama.

  • So she’s doing this to save us from ourselves? Drop out now Hillary! She’s only hurting herself.

  • Well, I see McCain triumphing over Obama in November, too, but it’s because he had to fight Zombie Hillary until August and everyone was sick to death of both of them, and it’s more of a nightmare eye-closing than a reflective eye-closing.

  • Diane:
    You have it right. A lot of us aren’t in awe of Obama. In fact, there are things about him I don’t like(his embrace of Goolsbee, for one), but I look at the bigger picture. I also see people like Russ Feingold(Yeah, I was pissed at Russ for disparaging Edwards, but I think that was because Edwards was saying things Russ would be if he had decied to run) supporting Obama. That carries a lot of weight with me. I see how Obama has the ability to help rebuild the party, which is something the Clintons don’t seem to care about. That’s why I support Obama, and why come the GE, I am really thinking about canvassing for him.

  • Racer X

    If he was a white dude, would she be betting her political career on some kind of huge skeleton to come out?

    Yes. She would make the same bet if it were a white dude, a brown woman, a red transsexual, a green martian of indeterminate gender. She would be making the bet with regard to anyone who was ahead of her in what she was sure was her year, and what she knows is realistically her ownly chance. It is a dream that dies hard, and denial helps keep acknowledging the end of the dream at bay. You see it in every entertainer who tries one more failed comeback because they miss the cheering crowd, every sports hero who plays until they finally have to be cut, their greatness reduced to a distant afterthought. And you see it in a lot of politicians, just usually not in as extreme a case as Clinton’s.

  • I guess all those generals and secretaries of defense, etc. who have endorsed and appeared with Obama in public were all dazed by their children’s whining, too. Every time it seems like it can’t get any worse for Hills, it does. Geez…….

  • Is Hillary truely dedicated to the Democratic Party? Is she secretly working for the Republicans? It seems to me she is the best hope for McCain to win the Whitehouse and for us to endure the status quo for another 4 (8?) years. I thought she was intelligent enough to understand politics given her record as first lady and as a senator. But alas, she would rather stay in the race to prove her metal, even at the expense of losing the Presidency for ANY democrat. If she were just to concede to Barack now, and graciously endorse him, we could turn this country around. I am tired of listening to our founding fathers turning over in their graves at this whole debockle. The message is clear Hillary…you are finished! Step aside and let Obama heal this great nation.

  • I dunno about you guys, but that smells a bit racist.

    Hillary did not denounce and reject Geraldine Ferraro’s racist idiocy. “If Obama were a white man he wouldn’t be in this position…” I can’t believe how stupid and racist that is. You might as well say “if Eliot Spitzer were not an Austrian Jew, he’d still be governor!”

    Hillary and Bill are trying to use racism to tear down Obama. Shame on them. I can’t vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. Not anymore. Her campaign is disgusting. It’s very, very sad. I used to love Bill Clinton.

    Damn you Hillary! Why?! Drop out!

  • James Dillon @ 1 – I know I have seen several endorsement articles where politicians cited their children. Without looking to try and find them all, I know Casey from Penn. did, I know Claire McCaskill did, and in interviews Caroline Kennedy mentioned the effect Obama had on her kids. It is highly unlikely that my off-the-cuff memory is all-inclusive, so there likely are at least several more.

  • …white dude, a brown woman, a red transsexual, a green martian of indeterminate gender. -Mark Pencil

    It sounds like she got a messed up box of Lucky Charms.

  • Will Barack Obama have 2025 pledged delegates on 3 June 08?

    Ah, no.

    Will Hillary Clinton have 2025 pledged delegates on 3 June 08?

    Not bloody likely.

    So how will the nomination be resolved?

    The Super Delegates will, as directed by the RULES, vote how they think best.

    So Clinton is working to get their votes.

    It amazes me that so many Democratic leaders seem to have forgotten the rules they put in place.

    Stop whining Bob Casey. You have only yourself to blame.

  • Hank Bedrosian (13): Or how about when Chris Matthews said that Hillary would have never had a career in politics had it not been for her husband’s infidelity? It makes you wonder about her sincerity.

  • Hillary says she’s going to stay in it to the end, no matter what, and we should believe her because…?

    I think even her followers are getting tired of her limited ability to speak the truth. She cleared the shark by a mile this week, and tomorrow I will get to see a bunch of hard-core Hillary people, so I will be able to get a good picture of their collective attitudes. One of them told me they would like to strangle Hillary for her Tuzla lies, and I doubt if that person was atypical.

  • It amazes me that so many Democratic leaders seem to have forgotten the rules they put in place. Like FL and MI don’t count if they move their primaries?

  • One other thing to remember is that Hillary has to keep publicly vowing to fight till the last dog dies.

    When she stops saying this, the Donors go away. So she’s gotta keep the fish on the line.

  • Or is it just that Hillary ‘defines her own realities’?

    Maybe she is most qualified for a 3rd Bush term…

  • Adaped from keboading courses:

    Now is the time for Hillary Clinton to come to the aid of her party.

  • As a Michigander I voted for our current governor, Jennifer Granholm (democrat). She has endorsed Hillary from the beginning in hopes of obtaining a seat in the Clinton Empire, should she get elected in November. I am embarrased at the way Michigan moved the Primary up and lost all the delegates, however this (primary) move backfired on Granholm. I am happy that a “do-over” won’t happen as it would have played into the hands of Hillary. Since Obama wouldn’t give his OK to a revote, I have read in the local papers about an effort to split the delagates 50/50 among the two candidates.

  • The Super Delegates will, as directed by the RULES, vote how they think best.

    So Clinton is working to get their votes.

    Well, she’s doing a damn poor job if it, then. If she were merely presenting herself as a fantastically qualified and excellent choice for President, you might have something. But by tearing down Obama, by saying that she and McCain are ready but Obama isn’t, by lying about being shot at, it’s hard to believe that she’s making much progress with those superdelegates.

    I’m all for honest Hillary support, but it’s pretty silly to argue that she actually thinks she’s going to get support from superdelegates by burning her bridges, Obama’s bridges, and the Democratic party’s bridges. She just looks like an egotistical loose canon at this point, which probably isn’t the best way to convince superdelegates to disenfr undo the actual results of the primary season.

  • Er, that is, she’s a loose cannon. I did not mean to say that Hillary was an uncontrolled bit of officially-approved, probably religious, texts.

  • I don’t want to end the contest.

    At the moment, it’s the only thing interesting. Bush III, McAin’t, certainly isn’t. As to the future, I’d love to see a contest all the way to the convention. They been monumentally boring for decades now, and some uncertainty would make them intensely interesting. And all this interest keeps our progressive message and both candidates in public eye if not the MSM’s.

    The only thing I’d ask is that Hillary stop this habit of throwing the kitchen sink (plus the contents of the sewer) at Obama. They should both be competing for who can wage the best attack on McAin’t and the GOP at all levels.

  • I’ll speak as one who says doing it (voting for/endorsing Obama) for the children isn’t a bad reason at all, as long as you also are doing it based on your own judgement. The college age “kids” I know are excited about Obama, and many are working to get him elected. They are highly engaged and very very motiivated. As part of a strategy to get a majority of Dems elected for the next 50 years, that sounds just fine by me. As does Obama’s embrace and stunning implementation of the Dean 50 state strategy – which Hillary also doesn’t get.

    Sadly, the more this once strong Hillary supporter sees of Hillary in this campaign, the less there there appears to be.

  • My mother-in-law is visiting this week. She told us that she crossed over (a life-long, die hard, reflexive lever-pulling Republican) to vote for Obama just so Hillary wouldn’t be the nominee. I know a lot of old Republican Texans who did the same. They hate Hillary that much! Rush had it wrong. They don’t even want to risk the slimmest chance of seeing Hillary in the WH.

    When I asked my mother-in-law if she was really going to vote for the old, white guy in the general election, she said she wasn’t sure. That’s the closest thing to a miracle I can name in a long time. She is actually considering Obama.

  • I think Clinton is right. For all the excitement and the youth vote and the crossover vote, which states will Obama win that Kerry didn’t? I don’t think he can win Florida and I think he’ll struggle in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

  • monzie: Adaped from keboading courses:

    If that was intentional, it’s cute.
    If it wasn’t, it’s hilarious.

  • …the inevitable byproduct of a campaign bubble. Clinton believes she has to stay in for the good of the party, she’s surrounded by aides who believe the same thing, and she goes to rallies surrounded by supporters…

    Eerily reminiscent of a certain George W. Bush.

  • While I do think that Hillary should drop out, I don’t know why in the world Leahy or anyone else thinks that the Clintons will do what they want. What is it about the divisive, destructive campaign that the Clintons have waged to this point that would lead Leahy to think that Hillary would heed a call to withdraw, whether for the good of the party or anyone else? It’s stupid.

    The only way for Hillary to win this thing is through a superdelegate coup, and she’s not going anywhere as long as she thinks there’s a chance that she can destroy Obama and make him unelectable, so that she can snatch the nomination from him. So, the only way to bring this thing to a symbolic close before the remaining states have voted is for a large block of superdelegates to shift to Obama, so that there aren’t enough left for Hillary to win.

    Democrats keep talking to the Clintons as if the Clintons have common sense or a conscience or something, no matter how many times the Clintons prove what selfish, destructive, power hungry asses they are.

    Hillary needs superdelegates to win, so get enough superdelegates to move to Obama that Hillary doesn’t have enough to win. End of story.

  • Well as said above, Hillary has to say that. Remember, Edwards declared he was going all the way to the convention what, about an hour before he dropped out?

  • I’d be all for Hillary staying in and fighting the good fight. However, I don’t think she’s fighting the good fight anymore. When you start using Repuglican talking points, Repuglican think tank articles (AEI) and Repuglican newspapers (Pittsburgh Tribune Gazette) to attack your opponent in a Democrat primary, you’ve crossed a line. And this from someone in the late 90’s complained of (and was mostly right about) the vast right wing conspiracy against her and Bill. When you start using Repuglican sources for your attacks, it’s time to stop and really examine what you are doing.

    I think she could have made a very strong case as the Democratic Presidential nominee if she had shown her strength against McCain. If she showed how strong her platform is against McCain’s continuation of the Bush presidency. However, her tactics have ony reinforced the mis-givings the voters have about her Iraq and Iran authorization votes. More of the same….except maybe a little lighter.

    But perhaps that’s hindsight speaking. Personally, I find Obama’s rhetoric of hope and inclusion more appealing and inspirational then Hillary’s talk of policy and experience. I know “change” is an often empty campaign rhetoric (especially since the current resident used the theme in 2000). But after 8 years of divisive politics, Change has to be a major topic or else a paralyzed USA will continue to slide into the gutter.

  • While I do think that Hillary should drop out, I don’t know why in the world Leahy or anyone else thinks that the Clintons will do what they want. What is it about the divisive, destructive campaign that the Clintons have waged to this point that would lead Leahy to think that Hillary would heed a call to withdraw, whether for the good of the party or anyone else? It’s stupid.

    I think that’s exactly what he was trying to accomplish by doing it so publicly. Lobbying other superdelegates in private is one thing, but talking about it in an interview on the same day that Howard Dean made a similar comment about the need to end it soon is most likely part of a larger strategy designed to put pressure on other superdelegates to just get it over with. The more people talk about it, the more quickly it becomes commonly accepted, and despite how much everyone in the media and the grassroots have been talking about it, the silence from the leaders has been pretty deafening up ’til now.

  • I think Peggy Noonan gets it right when she wrote in today’s WSJ “Because Clintons don’t lose. She can’t figure out how to win, and she can’t accept the idea of not winning.”

  • Peggy Noonan never got anything right. As Progressives we should realize that wingnut criticism of Hillary is different from our criticism of Hillary–their motives are different, their biases are different and besides they’re assholes.

  • I’m always amazed at people who think that, just because they personally think Obama’s the better candidate, everyone else (including HRC) “must” realize the same thing, and any disagreement can’t be based on an honest difference of opinion but has to be based on racism, hate, etc.

    I’m also amazed at how campaigning on the schedule laid out by the party is supposed to be destructive of the party. The convention is still 4+ months away. The general election is still 8 months away. If it was so important that the nomination be decided by March, the party should have set the convention in March.

  • pfgr, the nomination is usually decided, as a practical matter, long before the convention. to “do it right” as a “product launch,” they need a lot of time to choreograph the convention – who speaks and when is largely determined by who wins the nomination. video footage and all manner of graphics need developed, again all dependent on knowing the winner.

  • the nomination is usually decided, as a practical matter, long before the convention – Mark Pencil #41

    This is an unusual primary season, with an unusual amount of coverage, and an unusual amount of participation, and a very unusual amount of legitimacy questions (ie: will the candidate be considered legitimate without FL & MI).

    The number of pledged delegates are relatively close, and Clinton could possibly close the gap considerably if not completely by June 3rd, even without FL & MI, and certainly she could easily overcome his lead in the popular vote as well.

    Why are so many Obama backers pushing her to quit? I personally think it’s because they are afraid that more damaging information will come to light, and he will become unelectable, but it is also possible that she could get close enough in delegates to win with superdelegate support.

    Millions of voters have yet to vote, and the Obama campaign marginalizes them, much as they have MI & FL voters, and they accuse Clinton of doing anything and everything to win!

    If Obama wants to win the candidacy and to be considered legitimate, then he needs to let this thing go to the end, period.

  • Its a start for Hillary to realize that. For someone who lives in an imaginary world that’s the first step. As far as fishing for more Obama skeletons, I don’t think they’ll find much. In fact, when the Clintons tax returns are made public next week, we can expect 2-3 weeks of fresh issues. The amount of money the Clintons made over the years will not play very well in PA.
    At the very least, they will remain on the defensive for the foreseeable future.

  • I’m also amazed at how campaigning on the schedule laid out by the party is supposed to be destructive of the party.

    Substantive campaigning isn’t destructive, but Hillary Clinton isn’t campaigning – she’s slinging all the mud she can at her Democratic rival, instead of making her own case for electability against John McCain. She’s using the conservative media to attack Obama from the right. She’s giving interviews on FOX News. Bill went on Limbaugh’s show. Attacking Obama from the right might win them some votes, but it hurts the party.

    THAT’s destructive.

  • I’ve been thinking about this for awhile. It doesn’t bother me that Hillary isn’t going anywhere, no harm is done by having her stay in this until the last primary is concluded. On the other hand, her choices for campaign advisors (Penn, Wolfson, Ickes) and allies (Murdoch, Limbaugh, Scaife) are atrocious, and her campaign strategy is the worst I have ever seen employed by a Democrat against a fellow Democrat. It’s not just the all-out kitchen sink of attacks, it’s that so many of them are blatantly dishonest or misleading. It’s like she has spent the last 15 years studying all of the horrible attacks on her and copying them for future use against someone else and now all the shit is coming out. I just don’t like the Clintons anymore, this campaign reflects horrible on their already shaky character.

  • Why are so many Obama backers pushing her to quit? -Greg

    Because of the metrics we know it’s over, but her clinging to what she admitted was a 10% chance is preventing or limiting the party from:

    1. Unifying
    2. Raising money for the general election
    3. Attacking McCain

    And it’s also interfering with her schedule as a Senator. Why just recently there was a major vote on telecom immunity that she was too busy to vote on, and she’s even been too busy to let us know where she stands on that issue.

    Gosh, I just think it’s all too much for her and her crack team to handle.

  • Gosh, I just think it’s all too much for her and her crack team to handle.

    Just like an Obama supporter to try and start rumors that HRC and her staff use illegal drugs. 🙂

  • Clinton really believes Obama would lose, so in order to protect the party’s interests, she has to keep fighting. (I happen to think Clinton is mistaken in this assumption, but I don’t doubt her sincerity on the point.) In this sense, as far as Clinton is concerned, her interests and the party’s interests are one and the same.

    Yes and no…

    The problem is that the Clintons believe themselves to be the whole party. That’s the problem, and that’s why she’s willing to go out of her way to damage Obama. When she closes her eyes (and even when they’re open) she sees no difference between herself and the party.

    Add delusions of grandeur to serial exaggerator.

  • Clintons do lose sometimes — witness Bill Clinton’s run for re-election as governor. He lost then, but returned for a second term as governor before running for president. Clinton lost on health care but came back with the SCHIP program. They learn from their mistakes and run again.

    Hillary Clinton has the right to stay in an extremely close race until the outcome is clear. It is not clear when so many primaries remain, when the superdelegates have not voted, and when the convention has not yet nominated a candidate. Bullying her into quitting may be something you might try to do to a woman running for office, but giving in to such bullying isn’t anything you’d want to see in a presidential nominee. Of course she isn’t going to quit. Confusing her with the early candidates who drop out because they lack funds or see that they have no chance (with 5 or 10% of the vote instead of 50%), makes no sense.

    When Clinton’s supporters urge her to continue, as many of us have been doing through our donations to her campaign, they have as much right to do so as Obama’s folks do to support him. It is not delusional or grandiose for him to consider being president with minimal qualifications, but it is delusional for Clinton to listen to her base? Get real.

  • Evidently, Hillary Clinton believes that some pretty big movers and shakers in the world of politics don’t understand, or appreciate, democracy. People like John Edwards, Mitt Romney, Bill Richardson and Rudy Giuliani, to name a few. Nope, all those people dropped out of the race when it became evident to their satisfaction that they could not reasonably expect to win, thereby disenfranchising millions of voters and selfishly terminating the political process before dozens of states had a chance to say their piece. They said they were dropping out to free up the consciences of their supporters so they could get behind somebody that might win, but I guess that’s just something lying people say when they want to screw the voters.

    In the case of the two Republicans mentioned, that allowed John McCain to get his whack on against the Democrats and to tour the world trying out his presidential chops, while the two remaining Democrats mark time until every last person in the United States has an opportunity to express their opinion of what has evolved into a foregone conclusion.

    The Democrats – what a gong show. Even when victory seems inevitable, they continue to give defeat every possible opportunity.

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