Clinton wins some unwelcome support

Not all endorsements are welcome. A couple of weeks ago, the WaPo’s Charles Krauthammer suggested Hillary Clinton, unlike the other Democratic presidential candidates, is someone he “could live with,” in part because she is “always leaving room for expediency over ideology.” Given Krauthammer’s far-right bent, Clinton wasn’t trying to win him over, and his back-handed praise wasn’t exactly what the campaign was looking for.

Today, Sebastian Mallaby follows a similar pattern, complimenting Clinton for being a “foreign policy grown-up,” because her positions, Mallaby argues, are more conservative than her Democratic rivals. He points, for example, to Iran.

All the Democratic presidential hopefuls know that a nuclear Iran is scary. They know that the Europeans have been patiently negotiating with Iran to secure a freeze of its program and that the Iranians have been stalling. But Clinton is the only Democratic candidate who unequivocally embraces the obvious next step: Push hard for the sanctions that might change Iran’s calculations. Unlike all her opponents, Clinton supported a pro-sanctions resolution in the Senate. Ever since that vote, Obama and the rest have attacked her mercilessly.

It’s not that Clinton’s rivals believe sanctions are mistaken. It’s that they lack the courage to defy Bush-hating primary voters, who think that lining up with the president on any issue is like becoming a Death Eater.

It’s a weak argument, defending Clinton on an issue on which she feels vulnerable. She is, after all, the only Democratic candidate who supported the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, and we already know what the Bush gang does with resolutions like these.

As Matt Yglesias explained, “‘Bush haters’ is a cheap rhetorical move by which to pre-emptively discredit the notion that one, perhaps, ought not to trust that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney will handle murky and complicated situations with skill and moral rectitude. But why shouldn’t one be, in this sense, a ‘Bush hater’ — one who is inclined to expect the worst rather than the best from Bush and Cheney?

Which leads Mallaby to defend Clinton’s approach on Iraq.

Clinton’s rivals are contemplating history and deriving only a narrow lesson about Bush: Don’t trust him when he confronts a Muslim country. But the larger, more durable lesson from Iraq is that wars can be caused by a lack of confrontation. The Iraq invasion happened partly because the world had lost the stomach to confront Saddam Hussein by other means. By 2002, the sanctions on Hussein’s regime had been diluted, and there was pressure to weaken them further. Hussein was no longer “in his box,” to use the language of the time: If you believed that a resurgent Saddam Hussein presented an intolerable threat, it was worth taking the risk of unseating him by force, sooner rather than later.

Alone among the Democratic candidates, Clinton has the honesty to insist that the case for war was reasonable at the time — even if, with the benefit of hindsight, the invasion has proved disastrous. In sticking to that politically difficult position, Clinton is saying that, despite its awful risks, war can sometimes be the least bad choice. She is not running away from military power, even in a political climate that makes running attractive.

Publius, who suggests Mallaby’s column may be among the worst op-eds published this year, noted how wrong this entire line of thinking really is:

The larger point here is that one manifestation of America’s pro-war bias is this tendency to shift the burden of proof onto those who oppose using war to solve foreign policy problems.

Mallaby’s op-ed is a perfect example of this thinking. First, he argues that the Iraq War — though “disastrous” — was “reasonable at the time.” It was only reasonable, though, if you assume that all doubt should have been construed in favor of war. I mean, the idea that Saddam was “resurgent” is probably a lie. But even assuming he’s arguing in good faith, the world didn’t stop in October 2002. A steady stream of information — forgeries, IAEA, etc. — was streaming in, calling the administration’s claims into question.

But at the very least, the disaster that is Iraq should cause Mallaby to rethink his presumptions.

Well, one would like to think so, anyway.

Has anybody asked Hillary Clinton whether she’d lift Bush’s blocking of the Presidential Records Act? Because it will apply to Bill’s administration next term, so it seems like a good question to ask.

  • Well, isn’t this a lot of fun to pick apart:

    Clinton’s rivals are contemplating history and deriving only a narrow lesson about Bush: Don’t trust him when he confronts a Muslim country.

    Well, it’s true we don’t trust Bush on much of anything, but where there is lack of trust it is in the Bush “model” which would ignore cultural and historical elements, as well as actual intelligence.

    But the larger, more durable lesson from Iraq is that wars can be caused by a lack of confrontation.

    I’m not even sure I can make sense of this statement, but I gather he is suggesting that had we done nothing eventually Saddam would have started a war on his own terms.

    The Iraq invasion happened partly because the world had lost the stomach to confront Saddam Hussein by other means. By 2002, the sanctions on Hussein’s regime had been diluted, and there was pressure to weaken them further. Hussein was no longer “in his box,” to use the language of the time: If you believed that a resurgent Saddam Hussein presented an intolerable threat, it was worth taking the risk of unseating him by force, sooner rather than later.

    This is so wrong, I hardly know where to begin. “The world?” Well, Bush and Cheney, for sure, but it didn’t seem to me that the rest of the world was ready to take the next step – had that been the case, I think we could have done better rounding up allies for our coalition of the willing. How was Saddam not “in his box?” In order to believe Saddam was resurgent, you would have to buy what the WH was selling, and there was enough evidence to suggest that the WH was not telling the whole story. The decision was always weighted on the side of taking the risk – it was packaged and engineered to happen that way – “belief” alone was never a good enough reason.

    Alone among the Democratic candidates, Clinton has the honesty to insist that the case for war was reasonable at the time — even if, with the benefit of hindsight, the invasion has proved disastrous.

    It wasn’t that the invasion proved disastrous, it was that pretty much nothing the WH sold turned out to be true – and Clinton is not so much being honest as she is doing her own version of what Bush did to us – pretending that the information available supported a pre-emptive invasion. It was a disaster for so many other reasons, and we all know what they are.

    In sticking to that politically difficult position, Clinton is saying that, despite its awful risks, war can sometimes be the least bad choice. She is not running away from military power, even in a political climate that makes running attractive.

    What Clinton doesn’t want to admit is that of all the choices there were, war was not ever the least bad choice. And no one, that I’m aware of is running from military power – if there is running, it is away from the Bush philospohy and toward a more diplomacy-weighted one – but no one is saying we should abandon the military solution to anything.

    The problem with op-eds and opinion pieces like this one is that responding to it is not easy to do – Mallaby has managed to box all of the Democratic contenders – including Hillary – into something it will be very hard to wiggle out of without sounding exactly like Mallaby wants them to.

  • Mallaby is now putting the finishing touches on his next column, “The Wit and Wisdom of Fred Thompson”.

  • This kind of thing is likely to happen when a Democratic candidate moves away from her base on the left to triangulate with the right. Hillary may not think this is “unwelcome” support. She’ll probably get a a surprising number of moderate rightwing votes that would usually go to the opposition, since the Republican candidates all seem off-the-wall, flakey, or weak. Not a single one conveys mature self-confidence. While I really disagree with Hillary’s stand on many issues, she at least projects ability and self-confidence. And she seems firmly-entrenched philosophically in the corporate/military/industrial complex, with their apparent enthusiastic support. I’m not surprised she appeals to the right wing.

  • Didn’t we expose Saddam’s vaunted military monster as a paper kitten in Gulf War I? So a resurgence would have meant he got back to being a paper kitten? Oh Lordy Lord, how terrifying. No wonder we had to go to war.

    But don’t mind me. I’m just not up to the acceptable level of national hysteria. I still can’t figure out why Iran getting a nukular bomb in the next 5-10 years is supposed to scare the bejesus out of me.

  • This gets, a bit obliquely for my tastes but more closely than anything else I’ve seen, to two crucial insights about the 2008 campaign and how we debate policy in this country more broadly:

    1) There’s always a bias in favor of “use of force”… perhaps because we think it’s cool (to us, it’s just TV anyway), perhaps because we spend so goddamn much on weapons and incidentals that there’s some push for a return

    2) Hillary Clinton accepts, more or less uncritically, the tragically wrong-headed premises of the Bush administration on foreign policy. Specifically, our might gives us the right, and (keeping #1 in mind) war is always good politics.

  • “It’s not that Clinton’s rivals believe sanctions are mistaken. It’s that they lack the courage to defy Bush-hating primary voters, who think that lining up with the president on any issue is like becoming a Death Eater.”

    When you read the posts of the anti-Hillary crowd on various blogs this statement does make quite a bit of sense. Hillary has taken a lot of hits over her foreign policy positions primarily because they are not a complete 180 from George Bush’s policies. It would be impossible to count the number of times I have seen the phrase, “Bush-Lite” associated with Hillary and those are the kind remarks.

    In my opinion, I hate to admit this, but I would have to agree with Charles Krauthammer because I too think that Hillary has a more mature view of the realities of the current state of foreign relations the United States faces. Anyone who promises that once they take office, they can simply begin withdrawing troops from Iraq is either naive or just plain lying.

  • It’s all bullshit; they hate Clinton more than any of our candidates; they’ve got a huge track record of that, and if they’re conspicuously trying to now make her look like “the candidate conservatives can live with” it’s because they’re trying to get us to ditch her.

    It’s not worth pondering the particulars of their words on it.

  • Hillary has taken a lot of hits over her foreign policy positions primarily because they are not a complete 180 from George Bush’s policies. -Jack S.

    You’re right! It’s not like she believed Bush’s bullshit reasons and authorized the invasion of Iraq or that she wiped her feet on the Bill of Rights by voting for the Patriot Act a couple of times, and she’d never repeat those same asinine mistakes and roll out the carpet for Bush to start a war with Iran.

    I’m sure the “anti-Hillary crowd” doesn’t care one iota about her voting record and all of the innocents that have died because of poor decisions she was part of and has offer nothing more than vague excuses about the whole thing being ‘unfortunate.’

    They’re just more concerned about her being diametrically opposed to Bush. 180 degrees or bust.

    Anyone who promises that once they take office, they can simply begin withdrawing troops from Iraq is either naive or just plain lying. -Jack S.

    Or they’ll do it. I guess that’s a third option you neglected to mention there: redeployment to border nations, bring the national guard home (to, you know…guard the nation), and NOT choosing sides in a multi-faceted civil war that’s been brewing for thousands of years.

    It would be impossible to count the number of times I have seen the phrase, “Bush-Lite” associated with Hillary and those are the kind remarks. -Jack S.

    I’m guessing they just got tired of being told to get in line and vote for her (or else) and explaining their problems with her record and struggling with a decision they can live with (one where innocent blood is not on their hands), so they shortened it to “Bush-Lite.” They probably just get tired of progressives and liberals supporting the next war.

  • Anne @ 2
    I speak conservatese, and while not fluent, I think I can help.


    But the larger, more durable lesson from Iraq is that wars can be caused by a lack of confrontation.

    I’m not even sure I can make sense of this statement, but I gather he is suggesting that had we done nothing eventually Saddam would have started a war on his own terms.

    This is a re-hash of the spun fable that Saddam Hussein became a threat to teh US because Bill Clinton didn’t invade first because of Saddam’s…um… well, they’re never quite clear on what Clinton should have done when for what reason but one thing they know is he was the Neville Chamberlain to Saddam’s Hitler.

    I know.
    It can be such a tricky language. Conservatese is a rich, lustrous language interlaced with history or what passes for it amongst the neo-con dialect subculture.

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